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January 22, 2014, 11:36:19 PM
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Never trust provided TXIDs on new altcoins without block explorer. Better just wait to see the coins in your wallet and fully confirmed. Some people try to send manufactured TXIDs/screenshots to "proof" they made a payment.

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January 22, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
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Thank you for the info, I am new here and there is a bug in the forum! I logged in 10 minutes ago, this is my first post and it still says my last post was less then 360 sec ago!

How is it possible while I am only reading the forum?Huh

Is this some kind of sick joke??

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January 29, 2014, 01:17:21 AM
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1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info or www.cryptocoinexplorer.com to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.1 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of http://www.bitmit.net, www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.2 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after successful payments of 0.1 and 0.15 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chergeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.



http://www.bitmit.net:
Just post anything you want to sell for bitcoins or ask the seller to do the same about something you want to buy. The payment in bitcoins is sent to their escrow system. It's of no use for the buyer to lie about paying, because the page of the deal indicates automatically if the bitcoins were or weren't receive. If you are the seller and sent the goods to the buyer (for instance, another currency), once the buyer clicks item received, you receive the bitcoins from bitmit.net. If the buyer doesn't confirm that the goods were received, you write bitmit with evidence that you sent (like the transfer id) and they pay you fast. There is a 1.90% fee to pay.
http://www.bitmit.net/en/info/faq
You can also use http://btcrow.com, the fee is smaller: 1%.

Since this thread is a sticky, I decided to post this here. Any moderator or member feel free to move, copy or improve these rules at will.

Dude, wonderful post. I saw "someone" who shall go unnamed say that since they are a "trusted" member that if someone refuses to go first then they are a scammer. If you spend any amount of time on forums where people buy/trade expensive items its almost always the big trusted members that pull of the big scams.

I never ever go first on a trade, unless you're obviously "the man," but if I did it would be in small increments like you suggested. Great post, that should be stickied.
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February 01, 2014, 08:18:40 AM
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Just got scammed by YeeYay of 0.15 btc.

I have posted proof here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460

and here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480

He is still denying it and lying but I have brought all the messages and transaction.

Please help me ban this scammer no other person needs to be left without money.
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February 01, 2014, 08:25:28 AM
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Just got scammed by YeeYay of 0.15 btc.

I have posted proof here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460

and here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480

He is still denying it and lying but I have brought all the messages and transaction.

Please help me ban this scammer no other person needs to be left without money.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.msg4870113#msg4870113

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February 17, 2014, 02:03:23 PM
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Escrow, got it!

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February 23, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
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"Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER"

Wow What a Golden Rule!

Thanks for this warm reminder anyway.
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March 03, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
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Nice, really informative thread. Thanks

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March 16, 2014, 12:55:02 AM
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Excellent warnings from experience. 

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March 29, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
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1. Always use escrow.
2. 2. Always use escrow.
3. 2. Always use escrow.

Just dodge a bullet two times. Tons of seller but when asking escrow they are all gone  Grin Grin

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May 10, 2014, 10:42:57 AM
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Thanks for author,we should care for this thing.THANKS
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May 18, 2014, 09:39:36 AM
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Thank you for the info and for the warnings. I want to trade some coins so I want to use escrow service as suggested. Please if you can post or send me a PM of some escrow services as currently know about 2 services and one is not online any more.

Thank you very much,
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May 19, 2014, 12:48:15 AM
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Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0
You also have escrow sites: http://btcrow.com (1.55%) or  https://mitm.io (free)

My main posts and a few more are reposted here: https://oneskeptic.tumblr.com
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August 04, 2014, 06:02:29 PM
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And another thing to watch out for is, any exchange can lock your account at anytime they feel!  Richie Lai of Bittex or one of the staff,to the best of my knowledge, locked my account today. With a flip of a switch, so think about it ppl.

It's all in the wording.
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August 22, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
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If you think you were scammed, just open a thread about the issue on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
If you are not shore if that was a scam, open a thread on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0
But you can always talk first with the exchange and threat to post about the issue if not solved.

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August 28, 2014, 08:31:44 AM
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1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time.
2) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of http://www.bitmit.net, www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.2 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after successful payments of 0.1 and 0.15 btcs.


Since this thread is a sticky, I decided to post this here. Any moderator or member feel free to move, copy or improve these rules at will.
What an evil world. I hate the scam. And thank U of your information to a noob like me.
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September 01, 2014, 04:01:46 PM
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Good advice. Sometimes newbies are old wolves!  Shocked
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October 15, 2014, 08:21:55 PM
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Just got scammed by YeeYay of 0.15 btc.

I have posted proof here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460

and here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480

He is still denying it and lying but I have brought all the messages and transaction.

Please help me ban this scammer no other person needs to be left without money.


that's such a shame, i feel sorry for you mate, as a bitcointalk.org n00b i look foward to earning my 1st +trust point!

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March 04, 2015, 03:28:17 AM
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 I agree that an escrow is always to be used.thank for imformation

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March 25, 2015, 03:36:55 AM
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