Bitcoin Forum
March 19, 2024, 03:28:03 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 26.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: I'm Kevin, here's my side.  (Read 258488 times)
myrkul
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 532
Merit: 500


FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM


View Profile WWW
June 20, 2011, 09:48:13 PM
 #61

No one (well, I'm sure some do) wants to see MtGox fail - but I personally want to know wtf the actual truth is so I can make informed decisions.  Why is this so unreasonable all of a sudden?

I hear you. I smell herring, myself. Remember that HUGE consolidation last week? I want some facts, but I support reversing this whole fiasco for one simple reason: It was a fiasco. Kevin will be out his 'Profits', MtGox will take a loss, And it sets everything back to the way it was before it went nuts.

BTC1MYRkuLv4XPBa6bGnYAronz55grPAGcxja
Need Dispute resolution? Public Key ID: 0x11D341CF
No person has the right to initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against another person or their property. VIM VI REPELLERE LICET
1710818883
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1710818883

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1710818883
Reply with quote  #2

1710818883
Report to moderator
1710818883
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1710818883

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1710818883
Reply with quote  #2

1710818883
Report to moderator
There are several different types of Bitcoin clients. The most secure are full nodes like Bitcoin Core, which will follow the rules of the network no matter what miners do. Even if every miner decided to create 1000 bitcoins per block, full nodes would stick to the rules and reject those blocks.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1710818883
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1710818883

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1710818883
Reply with quote  #2

1710818883
Report to moderator
1710818883
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1710818883

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1710818883
Reply with quote  #2

1710818883
Report to moderator
1710818883
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1710818883

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1710818883
Reply with quote  #2

1710818883
Report to moderator
Synaptic
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 84
Merit: 10


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:48:21 PM
 #62

This is all a bunch of bullshit.

Kevin stepped up. Now it's time for the bitcoin loser to step up, and if no bitcoin loser shows to claim the loss, then it was Mt Gox all this time. Who owned the 500,000 bitcoins?

I think it was Mt Gox!

They either owned them first, or stole them and then tried to sell off, and buy back, but Kevin got half of them. Who else got the others, exactly in their orders? Could it have been Mt Gox that got many of them?



And isn't it odd that no-one has stepped up to comment about this theft of their assets?

I guess that's the power of bitcoin, all anonymous and shit.

Could have been Al Quaida, or some REALLY prolific child pornography collector...

Who knows?

Could have been an abandoned account from when bitcoins were worth $0.01c that was just forgotten about...

BUT TAKE IT TO COURT, BEST ADVICE.
toasty (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 90
Merit: 12


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:50:14 PM
 #63

Robber steals from a bank.



Robber loses his loot on a chase.



You pick up loot.



You're tracked down.



Loot is not yours to keep.



Simple fucking logic.

The problem is, that's the story they're trying to tell, but have offered no proof of any "theft" happening, want to play police and fix it themselves, and their story has holes in it. Their solution screws over many, and the problem was one they allowed to happen.

Also, nobody tracked me down. I identified myself immediately to MagicalTux the moment he was active on IRC.

Clipse
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 504
Merit: 502


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
 #64

This is all a bunch of bullshit.

Kevin stepped up. Now it's time for the bitcoin loser to step up, and if no bitcoin loser shows to claim the loss, then it was Mt Gox all this time. Who owned the 500,000 bitcoins?

I think it was Mt Gox!

They either owned them first, or stole them and then tried to sell off, and buy back, but Kevin got half of them. Who else got the others, exactly in their orders? Could it have been Mt Gox that got many of them?



And isn't it odd that no-one has steeped up to comment about this?

I guess that's the power of bitcoin, all anonymous and shit.

Could have been Al Quaida, or some REALLY prolific child pornography collector...

Who knows?

Could have been an abandoned account from when bitcoins were worth $0.01c that was just forgotten about...

BUT TAKE IT TO COURT, BEST ADVICE.

Shit, it could have been you. Considering how anti-bitcoin you have been, I think you are the hacker.

Prove me wrong, conspiracies activate.

...In the land of the stale, the man with one share is king... >> Clipse

We pay miners at 130% PPS | Signup here : Bonus PPS Pool (Please read OP to understand the current process)
bitrebel
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 364
Merit: 251


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
 #65

If Kevin does not go after Mt Gox, even if it disrupts trading, who gives a shit? If he does not go after them, and they are guilty of anything, then what's to stop them from doing this again? EVEN BIGGER!

Does anyone remember this?  - STOCKGENERATION.COM

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.09/stock.html


Why does Bitrebel have 65+ Ignores?
Because Bitrebel says things that some people do not want YOU to hear.
OgNasty
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4676
Merit: 4153


Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform


View Profile WWW
June 20, 2011, 09:51:57 PM
 #66

My guess is that the selling account that was hacked was the mtgox owner's account itself.  If you're thinking along those lines that should answer a few questions.

Who has that much money?  The exchange that profits from every trade.

Why would they roll back the trades?  It was their account that was selling at $0.01.  

How did they decide to break their own rules so quickly and make it public?  Their own money was at stake.

Good luck getting them to not reverse the trades.  That would probably put them out of business and negatively effect the bitcoin itself.  I had a standing order at $0.01 and managed to pick up $14 worth of coins at that price.  But even I realize that these trades must be rolled back in order to prevent a loss of confidence by the investor group.  Anyone who deals with real trading will tell you that.  I also lost out big when they reversed trades on the NYSE after the flash crash 15 months ago... But I understand why these things happen.  Get over it and be glad that you got the BTC you did out of the market.  I wish I had been as smart, but I got greedy and withdrew nothing.  People like you who did get $ out of the system will probably cause mtgox to have some losses, but that is probably what they deserve for allowing this to happen.  At the end of the day, you made a little easy money and mtgox will restore confidence and keep the bitcoin economy alive.  It's a win-win.  

My $0.02.

..Stake.com..   ▄████████████████████████████████████▄
   ██ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄            ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██  ▄████▄
   ██ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██████████ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██  ██████
   ██ ██████████ ██      ██ ██████████ ██   ▀██▀
   ██ ██      ██ ██████  ██ ██      ██ ██    ██
   ██ ██████  ██ █████  ███ ██████  ██ ████▄ ██
   ██ █████  ███ ████  ████ █████  ███ ████████
   ██ ████  ████ ██████████ ████  ████ ████▀
   ██ ██████████ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██████████ ██
   ██            ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀            ██ 
   ▀█████████▀ ▄████████████▄ ▀█████████▀
  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███  ██  ██  ███▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
 ██████████████████████████████████████████
▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄
█  ▄▀▄             █▀▀█▀▄▄
█  █▀█             █  ▐  ▐▌
█       ▄██▄       █  ▌  █
█     ▄██████▄     █  ▌ ▐▌
█    ██████████    █ ▐  █
█   ▐██████████▌   █ ▐ ▐▌
█    ▀▀██████▀▀    █ ▌ █
█     ▄▄▄██▄▄▄     █ ▌▐▌
█                  █▐ █
█                  █▐▐▌
█                  █▐█
▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀█
▄▄█████████▄▄
▄██▀▀▀▀█████▀▀▀▀██▄
▄█▀       ▐█▌       ▀█▄
██         ▐█▌         ██
████▄     ▄█████▄     ▄████
████████▄███████████▄████████
███▀    █████████████    ▀███
██       ███████████       ██
▀█▄       █████████       ▄█▀
▀█▄    ▄██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██▄  ▄▄▄█▀
▀███████         ███████▀
▀█████▄       ▄█████▀
▀▀▀███▄▄▄███▀▀▀
..PLAY NOW..
Synaptic
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 84
Merit: 10


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:52:57 PM
 #67

This is all a bunch of bullshit.

Kevin stepped up. Now it's time for the bitcoin loser to step up, and if no bitcoin loser shows to claim the loss, then it was Mt Gox all this time. Who owned the 500,000 bitcoins?

I think it was Mt Gox!

They either owned them first, or stole them and then tried to sell off, and buy back, but Kevin got half of them. Who else got the others, exactly in their orders? Could it have been Mt Gox that got many of them?



And isn't it odd that no-one has steeped up to comment about this?

I guess that's the power of bitcoin, all anonymous and shit.

Could have been Al Quaida, or some REALLY prolific child pornography collector...

Who knows?

Could have been an abandoned account from when bitcoins were worth $0.01c that was just forgotten about...

BUT TAKE IT TO COURT, BEST ADVICE.

Shit, it could have been you. Considering how anti-bitcoin you have been, I think you are the hacker.

Prove me wrong, conspiracies activate.

You got me.

Come claim your prize, 10 billion Linden Do...I mean Floo...I mean Tuli...I mean Bitcoins.
tgeo
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 19
Merit: 0


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:55:29 PM
 #68

I just wanna say: Everyone who is saying he stole that 643 btc... Shut up, youre just jelly.
zpinto
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 58
Merit: 0


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:55:47 PM
 #69

WTF??? why does everyone keep thinking that it was one users bitcoins that were stolen?

It was definitely all our bitcoins that mtgox had in one account!

I remember a few days before, people saying that some big bitcoin movements on bitcoin monitor were from mtgox, and the quantity being moved was around 400 000 to 500 000 bitcoins.

No single user lost that quantity, it was our coins, from all of us!
unemployed
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 336
Merit: 10



View Profile WWW
June 20, 2011, 09:56:13 PM
 #70

1. MtGox will do whatever they want.
2. Numbers displayed on their website are not trades.
3. Nobody will sue MtGox, because who here can write a lawsuit in hiragana.
4. Bitcoins are not currency and formally have no value. Your wallet with bitcoins is just a file filled with some bits on your computer. Mr policeman, someone stole by bits! They really were here i swear. They were worth $20 each.
Okay everything is gonna be all right. Here put on the jacket we have for you.




╭═══════ Petlife ═══════╮
   Blockchain in veterinary medicine    │
╰════ https://icopet.life/ ════╯
epi 1:10,000
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 154
Merit: 100


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:57:47 PM
Last edit: June 21, 2011, 12:14:35 AM by epi 1:10,000
 #71


The problem is, that's the story they're trying to tell, but have offered no proof of any "theft" happening, want to play police and fix it themselves, and their story has holes in it. Their solution screws over many, and the problem was one they allowed to happen.

Also, nobody tracked me down. I identified myself immediately to MagicalTux the moment he was active on IRC.


Have no doubt...   MtGox will use the full weight of civil and criminal law to retrieve what it believes it is owed.  Cutting off communication with you is the first legal step.

Edit: Never mind I got the decimal place wrong I thought you withdrew 64,300 not 643 BTC.  643 BTC is not enough money to get lawyers involved.
Edit:  Ops MagicalTux thinks you are involved w/ the hacking.....   GET A LAWYER!!!!!!!
flug
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 280
Merit: 250



View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:58:34 PM
 #72

toasty, you, and many others, underestimate resilience of Bitcoin and overestimate it's dependence on mtgox. I mean medium and long term.

+1
Synaptic
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 84
Merit: 10


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:58:57 PM
 #73


The problem is, that's the story they're trying to tell, but have offered no proof of any "theft" happening, want to play police and fix it themselves, and their story has holes in it. Their solution screws over many, and the problem was one they allowed to happen.

Also, nobody tracked me down. I identified myself immediately to MagicalTux the moment he was active on IRC.


Have no doubt...   MtGox will use the full weight of civil and criminal law to retrieve what it believes it is owed.  Cutting off communication with you is the first legal step.

Lol, I love you people like brothers.  You are the light of my life until I get bored here.

I just, can;t express what joy you bring to my life with your innocence.

It's like a pack of fucking kittens up in here.
toasty (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 90
Merit: 12


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 09:59:37 PM
 #74


The problem is, that's the story they're trying to tell, but have offered no proof of any "theft" happening, want to play police and fix it themselves, and their story has holes in it. Their solution screws over many, and the problem was one they allowed to happen.

Also, nobody tracked me down. I identified myself immediately to MagicalTux the moment he was active on IRC.


Have no doubt...   MtGox will use the full weight of civil and criminal law to retrieve what it believes it is owed.  Cutting off communication with you is the first legal step.

They haven't even asked me to return those coins. You are generally required to pursue things out of the legal system first, and only use it as a last resort.

GeniuSxBoY
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 616
Merit: 500


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
 #75

Lol, the 643 the dude "stole" aren't his.



If you buy a TV from a thief, the TV is still not yours and you don't get your money back, if the TV is found.


Similarly, If someone steals YOUR TV and sells it to your neighbor, you're not going to throw your hands up in the air and say "ohhhh! you're right. you own it now!! how stupid of me"

Be humble!
relative
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 56
Merit: 0


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 10:00:53 PM
 #76


If either of us tried that, it would be like scorching the earth behind us. There are very few actions any of us can take that won't cause huge disruptions.

I wouldn't rule out that you'll get sued for the 643.
it's just a matter of their "professionalism", if they have the means to pull off a lawsuit in another country or just 3 people in a basement.

if I was in your shoes I'd just shut up.
MeSarah
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 154
Merit: 100


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 10:02:37 PM
 #77

My 2 cents. I say that Kevin keep the trade. I then say press charges on Kevin for reciept of stolen property. Its clear that he knows its stolen, now.

If I sell you a stolen gun so you may protect your home and you use it to shoot an intruder, do you think that you wont be charged with mere possession of stolen property? Of course you would. If you bought a stolen car and didnt know it was stolen and you got stop by the police do you think you would be going to jail? Of course you would. Even if your only the passenger. The law (in the USA) doesnt care if you knew the item in question was stolen. It only cares that it is merely in the possession.

So Kevin, I have some questions for you.

1) If your car was stolen and resold 10 times, would you still want your car back?
2) How long of a jail term is worth the btc you bought?

With that said, MtGox does have some culpability. You might look into getting a layer, but most layers will want payment upfront.

If it were me, I would have little issue returning the btc, tho it might be painful, I know I would want my stolen items back.

60 GH/s BFL Single SC - Pre-Order Yours Today!
`````` Only $1299.99 - butterflylabs.com ``````
dayfall
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 312
Merit: 250



View Profile
June 20, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
 #78

Kevin, are you going to join the chat on OnlyOneTV tonight?  That will be more enlightening than last night's show.  (Where all we learned was that the auditor was a "she")
toasty (OP)
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 90
Merit: 12


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 10:05:11 PM
 #79


If either of us tried that, it would be like scorching the earth behind us. There are very few actions any of us can take that won't cause huge disruptions.

I wouldn't rule out that you'll get sued for the 643.
it's just a matter of their "professionalism", if they have the means to pull off a lawsuit in another country or just 3 people in a basement.

if I was in your shoes I'd just shut up.

I had around $3000 USD in the account before this started. They valued the bitcoins I received at $1000 when they were sent. I still had a positive cash balance when trading was halted, too. Both of us could be making demands of each other right now, and I don't think that's in our best interests.
Maged
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1204
Merit: 1015


View Profile
June 20, 2011, 10:05:46 PM
 #80

It's quite possible that the person who was hacked still has no idea that it was them. For all we know, they were asleep when this happened and didn't have email notifications enabled. There's no way for them to login to MtGox to check.

Also: If you had this kind of money on MtGox, would you admit it? Although the user database was leaked, the balance sheet WASN'T. They'd quickly become a target on other sites if people knew what account's password they specifically had to crack to make big bucks.

Pages: « 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!