Substratum ICO - August 7-September 7 (Pre-Sale with Bonuses Available Now)

[The Enoeht]

So, stay away, or...?

[Filmmmakerr]

So many noobs making ICO's 

[Ardhi]

ICO Parameters

ICO Start Date:                      August 7 2017 12:00 UTC
ICO End Date:                        September 7 2017 12:00 UTC
SUB Tokens Issued:               1 200 000 000
Token Exchange Rate:            5 000 SUB = 1 ETH
Minimum Amount:                  500 SUB (0.1 ETH)
Bonuses:                              See Pre-ICO
Total Sale Goal:                     500 000 ETH
Minimum Sale Goal:                25 000 ETH


ICO Budget Allocation

Product Awareness:               30% of Total Budget
Product Development:            60% of Total Budget
Network Infrastructure:          10% of Total Budget

Wow, a very good exchange, if I'm not mistaken, with SUB Tokens Issued as much as 1 billion and 200 million, the exchange would be 24 thousand ETH, wow, big numbers, is there no airdrop for this dev project?

[franc0]

I invested in substratum, The idea is just too awesome not to invest in.

[Bobobog]

Shift does the same. Decentralised web and their product is already in testnet. Why should we invest in a clone?

You guys are a joke.

[lmj0290]

That just looks like a phantom clone, the SHIFT dapp which be released on mainnet next month.

[dadingsda]

bounty for german translation? pm me!

[franc0]

That just looks like a phantom clone, the SHIFT dapp which be released on mainnet next month.

Shift does the same. Decentralised web and their product is already in testnet. Why should we invest in a clone?

You guys are a joke.

Shift uses different protocol and different governance method. Is NOT the same.  

Maidsafe people are complaining too. You guys can't take any competition because you know substratum can disrupt your models?

Well, they are different protocol, Shift is IPFS, This goes much much deeper and try to fix the very foundation of the internet, so stop FUDding.

Ipfs is just peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol to make the web faster, safer, and more ope

MaidSafe does not have the same solution SUBstratum offers for DNS

Substratum lets you keep your domain name also without needing to have .maidsafe.com
E.g..

Facebook.maidsafe.com

So this goes much much deeper, from bottom to up to fix the centralized internet so i understand your frustration, that you are afraid your investments in shift or maidsafe could be affected by this. You both are big supporters of shift so is understandable why you are FUDding this thread, you see us as competition. You both have 30 post average almost all of those posts are shift thread posts.

[franc0]

Meanwhile we appear in the Suppoman 5 biggest ICO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiZTILhViIU


Other good videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdlvQOXkZP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH7r4QiNUGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uciOiuLtMSc&t=19s

[cryptounicon]

Guys for more information join the team slack. There are over 600 actives in there at the moment, this project is huge, and already raised well over 1.5 million.

https://join.slack.com/t/substratumcoin/shared_invite/MjE2NDY5ODc1MjM3LTE1MDA3MzQ3MzItNmM5MjgxMDE4Zg

Unfortunately Overridepro is slammed at the moment, but they are planning on bringing more information to the bitcointalk forum shortly. This is a massive undertaking, but the funds are being realized to make it a reality. Read the updated whitepaper on the substratum.net website for more information.

[substratumisascam]

DANGER!! SCAM!!

Substratrum has NO product they literally took screenshots of iStat Menus for Mac and Photoshopped it.

Substratum vs iStat Menus app: https://imgur.com/a/bBGKX

There is a higher resolution of their photoshopped screenshot on their website (they forgot to disable directory listings): https://substratum.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/note_tray_mac_light_zoom.png (mirror in case they delete it: https://i.imgur.com/dUsvoUO.png)

EVIDENCE:
https://i.imgur.com/m59cHeV.png
https://i.imgur.com/scNng0a.png

Someone made a reddit thread asking Why it looked the same as iStat Menus: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/6u4lkv/caution_substratum_ico_rippedoff_designs_of/

When asked about it in their slack, this was their response:

“Hello tradecryptos--
Substratum is most certainly not a scam and I appreciate you saying it isn’t. The screenshots you see are actually screen captures from our MVP proof of concept running and were done by developers not designers and as most technical people know people who are great at one are not great at another so we did base our internal alpha off of iStat because at the time we were just trying to see if we could actually make the underlying structure work because that is the REALLY HARD part of this project at least since we are changing the way the internet connects.
We have brought a Design Lead on now and are TOTALLY redesigning the User Interface from the ground up so what you see in version 1 at the end of the year will look almost nothing like what you see here other than the options that you see will still be there.
Thanks for taking a look!”

THIS RESPONSE WAS MADE BEFORE THEY KNEW THAT I FOUND A HIGH RESOLUTION SCREENSHOT ON THEIR SITE PROVING WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT IT IS IN FACT PHOTOSHOPPED AND NOT SIMPLY A "proof of concept running and were done by developers not designers".

[cryptounicon]

I love the FUD posts made by members with literally near 0 history on the bitcointalk forums. Every project will have their non-believers. I welcome competition to the crypto-space. Competition breeds innovation. The Subtratum team's idea so far beats all the competition. I am sorry for those of you who are invested into other platforms whose investment is now at risk due to the increased competition provided. In the end, the best, most innovative, and ambitious idea's will become the most rewarded. Other competitors have had months and millions of ICO dollars invested to create a product that will be less effective than the Substratum platform in the long term. Any kind of real competition will bring all the trolls out of the woodworks as has been proven here.

When someone literally creates a brand new Bitcointalk account to try a tarnish a brand new competitor to the space due to their own fears being realized. It is entertaining for the rest of us on board the ship that is getting ready to set sail. May the best team win.

[franc0]

It's fairly common for developers to borrow core designs from existing platforms when it comes to core development. I wouldn't be too concerned about that aspect of it personally.


This is the official response

(Justin Tabb, Substratum’s founder posted a reply a day ago responding to this but it seemed the comment got hidden as he didn’t have enough karma in this group.) I work on the marketing team with Substratum and his comment in summary was that:
- Those are real screenshots of the alpha version which were done by hard core back end developers who don’t have a background in design.
- It was meant as an internal piece of software to prove that we could do it. Once we did prove that we could do it we decided to show the world our project and ambitions.
- The new version is being completely redesigned from the ground up and while it will have the same features it will be something completely fresh.
Thank you for your concern and discussing it with us all, Let me know any other questions you may have, we’d love to answer them.

So yeah they are basically accepting they took the core design from istats or whatever, but that doesn't mean they are a scam. And also that doesn't mean that they will use that design at the end, they probably will change it , is was just meant to show a concept. 

[substratumisascam]

You seem to be missing the point, here's what happened:

1. Someone notices that the substratum screenshots were nearly identical to iStat Menus, posts a reddit thread questioning it.
2. Substratum addresses this by saying this: https://i.imgur.com/zhgLqy6.png - They are saying that it is a *screen capture* of their software *running* and they somehow "based" it on iStat Menus even though iStat Menus is not open source so there is no way they could grab the interface out of it easily, not like they would even bother trying since they could just photoshop it.
3. I discover irrefutable proof that in fact that is what they did, that is, photoshop.  I guess they assumed no one would be able to tell from the zoomed out screenshot, but a full res copy was found on their server not available normally.

I asked them in slack to address this, all they had to do was record a small video of someone interacting with their software or something, nothing that could be photoshopped.  Obviously they refused and came up with excuses that they did not have access to the software at the moment, and that I was "FUDing" even said I "had too much time on my hands".

This is $2,000,000.00 of people investing into this to date, with more as we speak.

At best they are pathological liars, worst this is federal investment fraud.

[miKcrypto]

Lotsa FUD 

[franc0]

You seem to be missing the point, here's what happened:

1. Someone notices that the substratum screenshots were nearly identical to iStat Menus, posts a reddit thread questioning it.
2. Substratum addresses this by saying this: https://i.imgur.com/zhgLqy6.png - They are saying that it is a *screen capture* of their software *running* and they somehow "based" it on iStat Menus even though iStat Menus is not open source so there is no way they could grab the interface out of it easily, not like they would even bother trying since they could just photoshop it.
3. I discover irrefutable proof that in fact that is what they did, that is, photoshop.  I guess they assumed no one would be able to tell from the zoomed out screenshot, but a full res copy was found on their server not available normally.

I asked them in slack to address this, all they had to do was record a small video of someone interacting with their software or something, nothing that could be photoshopped.  Obviously they refused and came up with excuses that they did not have access to the software at the moment, and that I was "FUDing" even said I "had too much time on my hands".

This is $2,000,000.00 of people investing into this to date, with more as we speak.

At best they are pathological liars, worst this is federal investment fraud.

Why you don't show your real account? To see all the post you have in Maidsafe or Shift?

[cryptounicon]

Haters are going to be so mad when all the ICO investors make 10-20x their investment before Christmas, this project is a game changer. Someone creating a brand new bitcointalk account to FUD here instead of using their own bitcointalk account?

Kinda shows that this person is just a troll. Anyone that invests will be able to participate in the beta testing of the product before the Alpha launch.

[gerbas]

This is a good project, also peoples who need to build a new website will surely need this kind of project.
They will get lot's of benefit using this kind of services.

[Supataff]

Do you have any information on how and when the Substratum coins will be distributed?

[miKcrypto]

The next period will be in a day and a bit to receive tokens!