What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg?

[Vod]

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

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[BADecker]

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

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Poor little Vod. It's so hard to kick against the truth, isn't it? Do you actually have a conscience in there somewhere?

 

[Vod]

Poor little Vod. It's so hard to kick against the truth, isn't it? Do you actually have a conscience in there somewhere?

I understand your need to insult when you are losing.

But don't worry, I've still counted your vote.  

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

[marinomario]

my choice is still chicken first, just as god creates man is adam, he was created directly adult humans instead of babies. But depending on your opinion

[Lumining]

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

We get it - you are brainwashed.  :/

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first
Science: God made the chicken first
Godless scientists: Either way

I'll add my vote to nature developed the DNA (which is transmitted in the egg) until it became a chicken

[Sadlife]

This question has already been answered by scientists an egg cannot be created without a chicken to create it because the proteins which make the egg shells can only be produce by a hen.
Now you know, now we dont to have worry about it and move with our lives cause the problem has already been solve.  All we have to think about is chicken's are really delicious especially fried chicken.
I wonder, why did sciencetist took to long to answer this?

[Vod]

This question has already been answered by scientists an egg cannot be created without a chicken to create it because the proteins which make the egg shells can only be produce by a hen.

You must have misread.  Most animals have eggs - including humans.  Human eggs do not need a hen to create them.  :/

It was an animal genetically close to a chicken that created a mutated egg that became a chicken.

It is the only way to explain without the sky fairy nonsense.

Look at men's height.  Women like tall men, they have more babies with tall men, as a result humans are getting taller.  Evolution in action.  

[Babylon]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I don't think so my answer but i think first creation of god than egg because how to make the egg survive when no hen can maintain and care for it. Imagine if the egg first had some heat they might die or eat other wild animals. Let's say that if the egg lived and became a chick? They will live without the mother who will care for them.They just die and now we have no chicken in our day, right? There are so many questions that we think we have no answer, but we can do it if you can make a way.

[Vod]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I don't think so my answer but i think first creation of god than egg because how to make the egg survive when no hen can maintain and care for it. Imagine if the egg first had some heat they might die or eat other wild animals. Let's say that if the egg lived and became a chick? They will live without the mother who will care for them.They just die and now we have no chicken in our day, right? There are so many questions that we think we have no answer, but we can do it if you can make a way.

The egg would have a protector just like any other egg.  The creature that laid it would care for it.

[BADecker]

There is no example in nature of one species laying an egg that another species hatches out of. Rather, "like begets like." Science has a difficult time of causing DNA changes to a species in a lab without killing it. And this work is so new that we don't know if any of our changes will last.

All ideas of the egg coming before the chicken are speculation. We don't have a clue from the standard science of the day where a chicken or its egg came from... which one came first.

When we combine the basic sciences of cause and effect, with complexity, with entropy, they show that there was a great intelligence of some form that put this whole universe together. What is the logical thing to do when starting a load of different species of creatures? To make the young and let them fend for themselves? Or to make the adult, and let it have children to take care of?

The egg-first idea is entirely without credibility in the real world. Same said for all scientists who think that God doesn't exist.

[Douglasyukanov]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

In my opinion the chicken is ahead of the egg, because God created the living beings who then have offspring and breed.
Chickens breed from the eggs they produce, then they hatch and grow to produce more eggs to multiply.

[immortal7000]

I think that everything was vice versa, the first was the egg. In the process of evolution, some kind of reptile has taken down the egg and from it a chicken-like creature has already hatched, and over time it evolved into a chicken.

[Vod]

There is no example in nature of one species laying an egg that another species hatches out of.

Of course there is.  There are millions, and we see it every day.

Look at dogs - humans have evolved dogs for many generations.

At one point, an animal that wasn't a genetic bulldog gave birth to a mutation that was a genetic bulldog.

We don't need fairy tales to explain science. 

[BADecker]

There is no example in nature of one species laying an egg that another species hatches out of.

Of course there is.  There are millions, and we see it every day.

Look at dogs - humans have evolved dogs for many generations.

At one point, an animal that wasn't a genetic bulldog gave birth to a mutation that was a genetic bulldog.

We don't need fairy tales to explain science. 

There you go with your science fiction. Even if there is a touch of logic to it (which there probably isn't), there is no evidence for what you say ever having happened.

[Vod]

There you go with your science fiction. Even if there is a touch of logic to it (which there probably isn't), there is no evidence for what you say ever having happened.

Of course there is.    You can see the evidence all around you.  Do you have dogs where you live?  Do you see there are more kinds of dogs than the one kind your fairy tale took on his boat before drowning everything else?

Look at horses.  Men have been evolving horses for millennia for our various needs.   You can go to a farm any day and see evolution in action!

There is no evidence for your fairy tales.  There is overwhelming evidence of evolution.

 

[BADecker]

There you go with your science fiction. Even if there is a touch of logic to it (which there probably isn't), there is no evidence for what you say ever having happened.

Of course there is.    You can see the evidence all around you.  Do you have dogs where you live?  Do you see there are more kinds of dogs than the one kind your fairy tale took on his boat before drowning everything else?

Look at horses.  Men have been evolving horses for millennia for our various needs.   You can go to a farm any day and see evolution in action!

There is no evidence for your fairy tales.  There is overwhelming evidence of evolution.

 

Did you ever hear the word "breeding?"

No evolution. Just breeding.

We all know that you know better than that. This is a forum, so there is no requirement for you to speak truthfully.

[Vod]

Did you ever hear the word "breeding?"

Of course!  I understand science well.  Breeding is evolution.

A person takes the genetic parts of a dog he likes, and evolves those into a new type of dog.

The evidence is all around you. 

 

[BADecker]

Did you ever hear the word "breeding?"

Of course!  I understand science well.  Breeding is evolution.

A person takes the genetic parts of a dog he likes, and evolves those into a new type of dog.

The evidence is all around you. 

 

Consider some simple change that has not happened. For example. Your avatar could be upside down, or even sideways. But it isn't. Why not? Because it is a change that hasn't happened. It might happen if you make the change. But so far, there isn't any evidence of it happening.

Same with one species converting into another, or one species laying an egg that turns out to be a different species. So far, those changes, along with the abiogenesis change, are science fiction.

[Vod]

Consider some simple change that has not happened. For example. Your avatar could be upside down, or even sideways. But it isn't. Why not? Because it is a change that hasn't happened. It might happen if you make the change. But so far, there isn't any evidence of it happening.

My avatar is a human creation.  It will not change unless I change it.

We can't say the same about evolution.  While man can control evolution today (through selective breeding and killing), evolution also happens naturally.

After all, it is the reason we exist. 

[BADecker]

Consider some simple change that has not happened. For example. Your avatar could be upside down, or even sideways. But it isn't. Why not? Because it is a change that hasn't happened. It might happen if you make the change. But so far, there isn't any evidence of it happening.

My avatar is a human creation.  It will not change unless I change it.

We can't say the same about evolution.  While man can control evolution today (through selective breeding and killing), evolution also happens naturally.

After all, it is the reason we exist. 

The point isn't your avatar. That was only an example. The point is change. Some changes happen, some potential changes don't. We don't have any evidence for species to species change in nature. And I am not saying that it couldn't happen. Nature is simply so complex that we don't have enough knowledge of how it works to determine if this kind of change took place.

So far that we factually understand, evolution is guesswork. As far as applying science to the chicken/egg question, we don't have enough knowledge to understand which came first, the chicken or the egg. This is where we need to look in a different science direction. We need to look at the science that proves God exists.

If we can scientifically prove that God exists, then we can look at nature as being something that God set up as it is. This changes, entirely, how we consider the question of what came first.

The scientific proof for the existence of God can be found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This is basic science. It's the desires of people and scientists that has turned their eyes away from considering it. If you search for it, you can find people discussing these things on the Internet, even though they may not be popular.