⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All

[JackpotRacer]

The concept of the foundation and its efforts to legitimise and clean up the murky crypto-gambling world is to be applauded but how can a foundation that was founded and run by two leading provably fair casino's be considered to be impartial? A true foundation would have an impartial board of trustees who are transparent in their affiliations (and not two in-house people that vet companies based on their own values) as well as a trustee that independently represents the consumer. For all the best intentions in the world this is not how this such be approached. Perhaps if the founders could pass this on to more impartial individuals it would be better but atm this is basically a PR exercise for those casino's.

If they really wanted to push this further they would publish a white paper outlining what should be considered to be fair industry standards and liaise with the community and brands to establish this independently and transparently. This could then act as a Trustpilot type scheme for brands to sign up to.

That is a very valuable point, and something that I intend to work upon in the coming weeks. The crypto gambling foundation is actually my project and something I created, independent of the casino's it represents. (disclaimer: However I do work with community development for both Stake and Primedice, this project is separate to those operations.) I highly value the time you have taken to express your opinions and concerns, its great to have such valuable feedback.

I am a big advocate of real fairness and its potential in this industry. There is no financial gain being made by this project and hopefully when properly established we can look at building a board of trustees who can transparently evaluate the provably fair algorithms on all the online gambling sites.

This is very much a work-in-progress. We've been incredibly busy with happenings on our websites, our goal isn't to start some sort of monopoly we're really just a group of likeminded individuals who think traditional online casinos are scams and want to do things differently. I don't want this initiative to morph into a for-profit thing (askgamblers), finding a trustee would be difficult but I like the idea. Right now though if we were to do anything controversial it would only be do-able by vote of all the members but as things stand the CGF is here for educational purposes at this point in time and we (PD/stake) cover all expenses for videos/articles etc. We get a ton of emails from people who want to join and we've set the bar at 1+ year of solid operation & significant volume (top 20 crypto casino).

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[Stunna]

This is very much a work-in-progress. We've been incredibly busy with happenings on our websites, our goal isn't to start some sort of monopoly we're really just a group of likeminded individuals who think traditional online casinos are scams and want to do things differently. I don't want this initiative to morph into a for-profit thing (askgamblers), finding a trustee would be difficult but I like the idea. Right now though if we were to do anything controversial it would only be do-able by vote of all the members but as things stand the CGF is here for educational purposes at this point in time and we (PD/stake) cover all expenses for videos/articles etc. We get a ton of emails from people who want to join and we've set the bar at 1+ year of solid operation & significant volume (top 20 crypto casino).

If you want to educate the community on your expenses, why do you not inform about the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, sub-licenses have no legal basis! you are financing with 10000s of Euro every year?

Bud, I'd appreciate it if you stopped spamming this all over our threads. I'm only going to answer this once.

PD had been License free since 2013, and has taken more BTC betting volume than any Bitcoin gambling website that discloses stats with no issues. The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us. Curacao license is indeed one of the easiest ones to obtain because Malta, UK, and other jurisdictions require RNG testing and guess what, Provably fair is not "RNG" it's deterministic. As much as you think there is some major conspiracy behind the curacao licenses, all you have is a theory you don't have any actual proof. Regardless of this entire fact, I can't see why you'd try and pick a fight with us or insist that we are no longer legitimate now because we picked up a license. If you have a beef it should be with the licensors not the 1000s of casinos that have obtained this license for various reasons. This primarily feels like just a push towards self promotion for your own affiliation, if you want me to take your opinion seriously remove all the affiliate links from your website and PM me serious proof of your accusations against curacao egaming not just random circumstantial anecdotes.

The truth about gaming licenses is the legal basis of a gaming license pertains to that specific jurisdiction. If you have a UK license for example that allows you to operate in UK Only, this specific license does not mean much to us but we obtained it for the reasons mentioned. Anyone who trusts a gambling website because they are "licensed" is silly because when you sign up to a (traditional) online casino you agree to often iron-clad terms and conditions which legally give the casino the opportunity to mess you over.

[Pali]

Good idea!

The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us.

What's the site link and procedure to acquire one?

[game-protect]

Quoted for the record:

Bud, I'd appreciate it if you stopped spamming this all over our threads. I'm only going to answer this once.

PD had been License free since 2013, and has taken more BTC betting volume than any Bitcoin gambling website that discloses stats with no issues. The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us. Curacao license is indeed one of the easiest ones to obtain because Malta, UK, and other jurisdictions require RNG testing and guess what, Provably fair is not "RNG" it's deterministic. As much as you think there is some major conspiracy behind the curacao licenses, all you have is a theory you don't have any actual proof. Regardless of this entire fact, I can't see why you'd try and pick a fight with us or insist that we are no longer legitimate now because we picked up a license. If you have a beef it should be with the licensors not the 1000s of casinos that have obtained this license for various reasons. This primarily feels like just a push towards self promotion for your own affiliation, if you want me to take your opinion seriously remove all the affiliate links from your website and PM me serious proof of your accusations against curacao egaming not just random circumstantial anecdotes.

The truth about gaming licenses is the legal basis of a gaming license pertains to that specific jurisdiction. If you have a UK license for example that allows you to operate in UK Only, this specific license does not mean much to us but we obtained it for the reasons mentioned. Anyone who trusts a gambling website because they are "licensed" is silly because when you sign up to a (traditional) online casino you agree to often iron-clad terms and conditions which legally give the casino the opportunity to mess you over.

[game-protect]

The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us.

Source: http://www.curacaowebhosting.com/2018/03/10/curacao-gambling-license/

Cost of a gambling license in Curacao

So you are looking for a cheap gambling license? Well look no futher! Curacao is possibly the most affordable gambling jurisdiction inorder to start a gambling business. However, the costs are a bit more than you would probably expect, here is why.
Gambling license requirements:

    Have a local e-zone company
    Licensing approval
    Own physical hardware on the island

As you can see, you don’t just apply for a license, you setup a company then apply for a license, then you must buy hardware (you can not use your $5 hosting accountin the US).

The following are cost estimates:
E-ZONE COSTS:

Setup and maintenance of an e-zone company are:

    EUR5500 – EUR6500 one-time Incorporation fee
    EUR3250 – EUR5250 annual management fee
    EUR500 – EUR1000 monthly administrtion costs

Your first year for corporate costs are going to be in the region of between: EUR14000 – EUR24,000
LICENSING COSTS:

Licensing fees for the online gaming (sub)license are:

    EUR4500 – EUR12000 (annual) license fee (costs vary between providers)
    EUR1000 – (one-time) application fee

Depending on the sub-license provider, you are in for between: EUR5500 – EUR13000 for your first year hosting fees.
HARDWARE COSTS:

You will require hardware on the island in order to satisfy the permanent establishment requirement (PE).

    Server cost: $1200 – $2500 (per server)
    Hosting costs: EUR6000 – EUR12000 / annum

A single server is not going to offer you redundancy, so you will likely want to buy at least three servers.

So as you can see, the real cost of a gambling license is a lot more than just the license application.

In reality, you will be spending at least EUR40,000 per annum in order to satisfy the legal requirements.

While this is a lot cheaper than most other jurisdictions, the costs do add up and they will become higher as online gambling becomes increasingly regulated.

[slaman29]

The truth about gaming licenses is the legal basis of a gaming license pertains to that specific jurisdiction. If you have a UK license for example that allows you to operate in UK Only, this specific license does not mean much to us but we obtained it for the reasons mentioned. Anyone who trusts a gambling website because they are "licensed" is silly because when you sign up to a (traditional) online casino you agree to often iron-clad terms and conditions which legally give the casino the opportunity to mess you over.

Absolutely agree here. At least Stunna is being pretty open about licences being used strictly for marketing - because honestly, that's what most casinos especially with Bitcoin/crypto want, the marketing. Licensing doesn't do any favors for gamblers online, least of all with Bitcoin. Casinos that are centralized require gamblers to trust in them. In general, we've seen over the years how many have indeed messed players over. You can easily google about former casinos with strict licenses that still screwed players when they decided to pack up.

Unless we want to move to decentralized gambling, we have no choice but to trust the people we put our gambling money with. And licencing doesn't tip the scales in anyone's favor, definitely not for players!

[MICRO]

The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us.

Source: http://www.curacaowebhosting.com/2018/03/10/curacao-gambling-license/

Cost of a gambling license in Curacao

So you are looking for a cheap gambling license? Well look no futher! Curacao is possibly the most affordable gambling jurisdiction inorder to start a gambling business. However, the costs are a bit more than you would probably expect, here is why.
Gambling license requirements:

    Have a local e-zone company
    Licensing approval
    Own physical hardware on the island

As you can see, you don’t just apply for a license, you setup a company then apply for a license, then you must buy hardware (you can not use your $5 hosting accountin the US).

The following are cost estimates:
E-ZONE COSTS:

Setup and maintenance of an e-zone company are:

    EUR5500 – EUR6500 one-time Incorporation fee
    EUR3250 – EUR5250 annual management fee
    EUR500 – EUR1000 monthly administrtion costs

Your first year for corporate costs are going to be in the region of between: EUR14000 – EUR24,000
LICENSING COSTS:

Licensing fees for the online gaming (sub)license are:

    EUR4500 – EUR12000 (annual) license fee (costs vary between providers)
    EUR1000 – (one-time) application fee

Depending on the sub-license provider, you are in for between: EUR5500 – EUR13000 for your first year hosting fees.
HARDWARE COSTS:

You will require hardware on the island in order to satisfy the permanent establishment requirement (PE).

    Server cost: $1200 – $2500 (per server)
    Hosting costs: EUR6000 – EUR12000 / annum

A single server is not going to offer you redundancy, so you will likely want to buy at least three servers.

So as you can see, the real cost of a gambling license is a lot more than just the license application.

In reality, you will be spending at least EUR40,000 per annum in order to satisfy the legal requirements.

While this is a lot cheaper than most other jurisdictions, the costs do add up and they will become higher as online gambling becomes increasingly regulated.

And why exactly are you concerned with our expenses?

If its worth for us for marketing we can spend how much we want on it.

Doesn't change the fact why we got that license and how much we care about it. As much as we did not even post anywhere or promote it in any other way. Doesn't mean anything to us except for what we need it.

[marlboroza]

I'm only going to answer this once.

What a mistaka to maka

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Don't you have dozen unanswered questions in your own thread to answer?

[game-protect]

The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us.

Source: http://www.curacaowebhosting.com/2018/03/10/curacao-gambling-license/

Cost of a gambling license in Curacao

So you are looking for a cheap gambling license? Well look no futher! Curacao is possibly the most affordable gambling jurisdiction inorder to start a gambling business. However, the costs are a bit more than you would probably expect, here is why.
Gambling license requirements:

    Have a local e-zone company
    Licensing approval
    Own physical hardware on the island

As you can see, you don’t just apply for a license, you setup a company then apply for a license, then you must buy hardware (you can not use your $5 hosting accountin the US).

The following are cost estimates:
E-ZONE COSTS:

Setup and maintenance of an e-zone company are:

    EUR5500 – EUR6500 one-time Incorporation fee
    EUR3250 – EUR5250 annual management fee
    EUR500 – EUR1000 monthly administrtion costs

Your first year for corporate costs are going to be in the region of between: EUR14000 – EUR24,000
LICENSING COSTS:

Licensing fees for the online gaming (sub)license are:

    EUR4500 – EUR12000 (annual) license fee (costs vary between providers)
    EUR1000 – (one-time) application fee

Depending on the sub-license provider, you are in for between: EUR5500 – EUR13000 for your first year hosting fees.
HARDWARE COSTS:

You will require hardware on the island in order to satisfy the permanent establishment requirement (PE).

    Server cost: $1200 – $2500 (per server)
    Hosting costs: EUR6000 – EUR12000 / annum

A single server is not going to offer you redundancy, so you will likely want to buy at least three servers.

So as you can see, the real cost of a gambling license is a lot more than just the license application.

In reality, you will be spending at least EUR40,000 per annum in order to satisfy the legal requirements.

While this is a lot cheaper than most other jurisdictions, the costs do add up and they will become higher as online gambling becomes increasingly regulated.

And why exactly are you concerned with our expenses?

If its worth for us for marketing we can spend how much we want on it.

Doesn't change the fact why we got that license and how much we care about it. As much as we did not even post anywhere or promote it in any other way. Doesn't mean anything to us except for what we need it.

Where did I say I am concerned about your expenses? I have shown how Stunna blatant lies about the Curacao license fees.

If you consider financing organized crime is a good marketing strategy, feel free continue doing so. I just inform the community about your behavior.

No, you have no license! You pay Euro 10000s every year for a fake license!  

[MICRO]

The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us.

Source: http://www.curacaowebhosting.com/2018/03/10/curacao-gambling-license/

Cost of a gambling license in Curacao

So you are looking for a cheap gambling license? Well look no futher! Curacao is possibly the most affordable gambling jurisdiction inorder to start a gambling business. However, the costs are a bit more than you would probably expect, here is why.
Gambling license requirements:

    Have a local e-zone company
    Licensing approval
    Own physical hardware on the island

As you can see, you don’t just apply for a license, you setup a company then apply for a license, then you must buy hardware (you can not use your $5 hosting accountin the US).

The following are cost estimates:
E-ZONE COSTS:

Setup and maintenance of an e-zone company are:

    EUR5500 – EUR6500 one-time Incorporation fee
    EUR3250 – EUR5250 annual management fee
    EUR500 – EUR1000 monthly administrtion costs

Your first year for corporate costs are going to be in the region of between: EUR14000 – EUR24,000
LICENSING COSTS:

Licensing fees for the online gaming (sub)license are:

    EUR4500 – EUR12000 (annual) license fee (costs vary between providers)
    EUR1000 – (one-time) application fee

Depending on the sub-license provider, you are in for between: EUR5500 – EUR13000 for your first year hosting fees.
HARDWARE COSTS:

You will require hardware on the island in order to satisfy the permanent establishment requirement (PE).

    Server cost: $1200 – $2500 (per server)
    Hosting costs: EUR6000 – EUR12000 / annum

A single server is not going to offer you redundancy, so you will likely want to buy at least three servers.

So as you can see, the real cost of a gambling license is a lot more than just the license application.

In reality, you will be spending at least EUR40,000 per annum in order to satisfy the legal requirements.

While this is a lot cheaper than most other jurisdictions, the costs do add up and they will become higher as online gambling becomes increasingly regulated.

And why exactly are you concerned with our expenses?

If its worth for us for marketing we can spend how much we want on it.

Doesn't change the fact why we got that license and how much we care about it. As much as we did not even post anywhere or promote it in any other way. Doesn't mean anything to us except for what we need it.

Where did I say I am concerned about your expenses? I have shown how Stunna blatant lies about the Curacao license fees.

If you consider financing organized crime is a good marketing strategy, feel free continue doing so. I just inform the community about your behavior.

No, you have no license! You pay Euro 10000s every year for a fake license! 

You should continue promoting your group of casinos and probably change the description of what gameprotect is all about.

Your trust rating here is great for the "service" that protects players.

Wont continue this argument since reactions to your comments on this forum are pretty clear lately not even worth to bother anymore.

[game-protect]

You should continue promoting your group of casinos and probably change the description of what gameprotect is all about.

Game Protect will continue offering to Qualify cost free for our consumer protection service.

To what should I change the description?

 

Your trust rating here is great for the "service" that protects players.

The trust of who did I breach?

Game Protect offers the following service that could lead to recover losses

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
  
- Lawyer and private investigations, if operators embezzle account balances or players act fraudulent

We furthermore have a Warnings list that protects players losing money to scams and likely scams.
 

Wont continue this argument since reactions to your comments on this forum are pretty clear lately not even worth to bother anymore.

I have not seen any argument from you, can you please make it bold?

[TwitchySeal]

In my experience, any effort trying to engage Game-Protect in a rational conversation is futile.

He has proven himself to not be qualified to provide any legal advice to anyone (even a casual suggestion from him should be ignored)

Unfortunately he has continued to spam deceptive hyperlinks to his shit website all over the place in hopes that someone will click the link and provide him some affiliate revenue.

I recommend everyone ignore him in any thread other than his own and report any post he makes that contains deceptive hyperlinks (see example below)



Surely he will respond to this with a bunch of stupid questions.  Just ignore.

[thermost]

~crap

You have no legal basis.

[game-protect]

This is very much a work-in-progress. We've been incredibly busy with happenings on our websites, our goal isn't to start some sort of monopoly we're really just a group of likeminded individuals who think traditional online casinos are scams and want to do things differently. I don't want this initiative to morph into a for-profit thing (askgamblers), finding a trustee would be difficult but I like the idea. Right now though if we were to do anything controversial it would only be do-able by vote of all the members but as things stand the CGF is here for educational purposes at this point in time and we (PD/stake) cover all expenses for videos/articles etc. We get a ton of emails from people who want to join and we've set the bar at 1+ year of solid operation & significant volume (top 20 crypto casino).

If you want to educate the community on your expenses, why do you not inform about the Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, sub-licenses have no legal basis! you are financing with 10000s of Euro every year?

PD had been License free since 2013, and has taken more BTC betting volume than any Bitcoin gambling website that discloses stats with no issues.

You have stats of how much Bitcoin you have illegally taken? 5 Years is exactly the time frame players can demand their losses back.

The curacao license is something that costs near $0 and the reason we obtained it is so we can use google adwords and other advertising networks that require a "license" not to trick players into trusting us.

With a Costa Rica license you can not use google adwords and other advertising networks?

I never said that you pay for a fake license to trick players into trusting you.

Curacao license is indeed one of the easiest ones to obtain because Malta, UK, and other jurisdictions require RNG testing and guess what, Provably fair is not "RNG" it's deterministic.

It is easy to obtain because it is no juridical valid license! Should be easy to understand.

As much as you think there is some major conspiracy behind the curacao licenses, all you have is a theory you don't have any actual proof.

Game Protect has proof that your claim to operate under the 1668/JAZ license has no legal basis. It is explained here Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, sub-licenses have no legal basis! and I already gave you the link.

Let me know which part you did not understand?

Have you seen the 1668/JAZ license you claim to operate under? Have you seen the sub-license contract?

Regardless of this entire fact, I can't see why you'd try and pick a fight with us or insist that we are no longer legitimate now because we picked up a license.

I missed the fact, can you please quote it?

Neither do I fight with you nor did I say that you are now no longer legitimate because you picked a license.

I inform that you finance organized crime with 10000s Euro every year!

If I wanted to fight with you, I would offer a 100% cashback assistance for the past 5 years for primedice and stake.

If you have a beef it should be with the licensors not the 1000s of casinos that have obtained this license for various reasons.

No, you and all the other casinos finance organized crime that killed the politician leader Helmin Wiels in Curacao!

If the casinos would not pay for a fake license, the licensors would have no business, simple.

This primarily feels like just a push towards self promotion for your own affiliation, if you want me to take your opinion seriously remove all the affiliate links from your website and PM me serious proof of your accusations against curacao egaming not just random circumstantial anecdotes.

Game Protect will neither stop offering to Qualify cost free for our online gaming consumer protection service nor send you the hard proof that those sub-licenses have no legal basis.

The hard proof that those sub-licenses have no legal basis is worth $100,000s as I can offer a 100% cashback assistance for any of the 1000s casinos.

We can make it unlike easier: If you operate under the 1668/JAZ license, show us your authorization?

The truth about gaming licenses is the legal basis of a gaming license pertains to that specific jurisdiction.

I am not able to understand what you are saying here as the Curacao licensed casinos operate worldwide?

Or did you say that the validity of a Curacao license rely on Curacao laws?

Anyone who trusts a gambling website because they are "licensed" is silly because when you sign up to a (traditional) online casino you agree to often iron-clad terms and conditions which legally give the casino the opportunity to mess you over.

The part you missed is that the civil laws of the jurisdiction where a casino is incorporated always stand above the terms and conditions of the casino. Hence, if a part of the terms and conditions are not in accordance with the local civil laws, then they are simply not valid and a player could enforce his rights at the court.

You have no legal basis.

Is it required?

[marlboroza]

You have stats of how much Bitcoin you have illegally taken? 5 Years is exactly the time frame players can demand their losses back.

You sound like 5 year old kid.
Would you please stop ranting and spamming links to your ridiculous service all around forum?

[game-protect]

You have stats of how much Bitcoin you have illegally taken? 5 Years is exactly the time frame players can demand their losses back.

You sound like 5 year old kid.

Why?

Would you please stop ranting and spamming links to your ridiculous service all around forum?

Please quote the spamming part?

Definition spamming: "Send the same message indiscriminately to a large number of Internet users."

[marlboroza]

Would you please stop ranting and spamming links to your ridiculous service all around forum?

Please quote the spamming part?

Definition spamming: "Send the same message indiscriminately to a large number of Internet users."

Wiki says different.

Forum spamming:

Most forum spam consists of links to external sites with the dual goals of increasing search engine visibility in highly competitive advertising domains such as weight loss, pharmaceuticals, gambling, pornography, real estate or loans, and generating more traffic for these commercial websites.
Spam posts may contain anything from a single link to dozens of links.
text content is minimal, usually innocuous and unrelated to the forum's topic


Does this ring a bell?

Read topic again. It is not about gambling license and it is not made so you can spam links to your site to increase visibility on search engines, it is about fairness 

[marlboroza]

Would you please stop ranting and spamming links to your ridiculous service all around forum?

Please quote the spamming part?

Definition spamming: "Send the same message indiscriminately to a large number of Internet users."

Wiki says different.

Forum spamming:

Most forum spam consists of links to external sites with the dual goals of increasing search engine visibility in highly competitive advertising domains such as weight loss, pharmaceuticals, gambling, pornography, real estate or loans, and generating more traffic for these commercial websites.
Spam posts may contain anything from a single link to dozens of links.
text content is minimal, usually innocuous and unrelated to the forum's topic


Does this ring a bell?

Read topic again. It is not about gambling license and it is not made so you can spam links to your site to increase visibility on search engines, it is about fairness  

If I understood correctly, you as a Fortunejack licensing scam spammer claim it is fair to finance organized crime that killed the politician leader Helmin Wiels?

If I understood correctly, you as someone who is publicly proven troll claims that provably fairness is organized crime?  

Don't twist my words and stop taking words out of context monkey.

[game-protect]

Read topic again. It is not about gambling license and it is not made so you can spam links to your site to increase visibility on search engines, it is about fairness  

According to your brain wash theories, online gaming consumer protection service to help players getting informed about scams and assist victims to enforce their rights if scammed is not fair?

Because shady operators like Fortunejack do not consider it as fair that such a service exists and could become expensive for them if held accountable?

And what has paying for a fake license to do with fair gambling for all?

[Wendigo]

Brainwashing transmission from Russia failed.
Recalibrating equipment.