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You are a scammer too. Graet will ignore all of your requests and demands. When people gave you bitcoins they didn't have any kind of written agreement with you. Legally they can't demand anything from you. You know this very well. You didn't have any written agreement with Graet either. His forums posts mean nothing, so you can't do anything. Graet might pay other creditors a little bit, probably very little only because he doesn't want to lose his face completely. But you're a scammer, so you're last on his list. You didn't have any written agreement with Graet either. His forums posts mean nothing, so you can't do anything.
Without prejudice: I have received an Australian legal opinion which said otherwise. That said - if Graeme can come up with the occasional 1% payment over the next year or so - and actually stick to his own schedules - and communicate better - I may be willing to give him a chance to have another entrepeneurial shot within this new bitcoin space. This is a growing industry with lots of opportunity. While Graeme has come unstuck for one reason or another - he has demonstrated some strong entrepreneurial spirit and the expertise to get some projects off the ground. The lack of communication, and further failure to stick to his word is angering me though. Graeme - as the single largest graet.loan holder, I'm willing to give you the peace of mind that no legal action is pending from me (over some to be agreed period). You need to *negotiate* the timeframes with us.
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September 10, 2014, 02:02:06 AM |
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Tradefortress: or whoever you are these days. Please go away, you're helping nobody but yourself .... as usual.
Julz: Agreed if graeme were to come up with a viable business plan and some sort of timeframe for payback, along with occasional 'windfall' payouts i'd be happy.
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September 10, 2014, 06:19:56 AM |
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September 11, 2014, 04:20:25 AM |
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According to my sources no one will ever receive any adequate compensation.
Graet is almost broke. His promises are just words.
9 month ago he said he would repay bulk of the loan by mid 2014. Now he promised 20BTC to all of us, which is pathetic. By the way, he still didn't pay those 20BTC. 20BTC is 1% of 2000BTC. According to my sources Graet bought back about 7000 of his shares, which is 70BTC. So he still owes 1930BTC. Accourding to the asset holders list when bitfunder closed there was only 194 006 outstanding shares in Graet loan so he must have bought back 5 994 shares back then already, or did you mean that Graet also is one of these adresses to: 7855 1FQLUf2cnS5gbEyxhbxEVkURVJ76DJHFej 7481 1JgrxkAbiCUnhY7jYJ5Vkiisx4DynNxCD9 6998 15x6dVyAJSXeH897dJ3cgF7Wf7CekeZmgj that holds around 7000 shares in Graet loan. I know how much his "btc businesses" make. It's very little. If you sue him, you get almost nothing after all legal fees.
Write this off, he is really a degenerate just like Justin00 says.
According to my sources in summer 2013 Graet had BTC securities worth at least 1000BTC. Almost all of them were scams and he waited until October or Novermber when it was too late sell them.
Graet himself admits his garbage portfolio lost 500BTC value in October. In summer his garbage portfolio was worth much more.
I'm not going to list what he had and how much. I can say I verified some of the data my sources gave me. It all was correct.
We can hope for very little compensations. Suing will give even less, because according to my sources he's almost broke.
What happened to the 500 BTC that was left in October, dident Graet sell off any of those stocks and get his funds out of BTCTC & Bitfunder or whatever stock exchange he had investments in ? 500 btc is at least 25% of what the loan was for & if he has taken advantage of the BTC price movement since then and sold/bought at the right time to the right price it could be much more by now.
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September 11, 2014, 04:24:23 AM |
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More general docs on the criminal Ukyo, and his partner in crime Graet: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE&usp=sharingIf anyone has any updated info, whereabouts, facebook page, or anything, please post. It's disgusting that these two have stole more than 6000 btc from their users, and they've had nothing happen, not even so much as an inconvenience. Can't stand thieves myself, I'm surprised how calm most of you have been just watching your money get stolen from your pockets.
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September 11, 2014, 09:00:39 AM |
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I've been here since 2012 and seen it happen so many times. I don't understand how people are so laid back about it... some one screwed me over $7 on ebay once... all hell broke loose... Twas the principle of the matter. 99% of people aren't going to confront some one though and that is usually the only way to make progress. I dare say less than 1% actually follow through with legal proceedings... Heaps of "yeah yeah I will sue xxx to" but making the statement seems to be the only action taken. Each to their own. You guys must be way to rich ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Can't stand thieves myself, I'm surprised how calm most of you have been just watching your money get stolen from your pockets.
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September 11, 2014, 12:01:41 PM |
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Graet owes me 150BTC since april/13. Not part of this specific loan.
So, add this to the disaster.
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September 11, 2014, 01:39:28 PM |
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So he can not even be bothered to post here owning over $1,000,000 in BTC? Amazing....
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September 12, 2014, 10:20:59 AM |
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So he can not even be bothered to post here owning over $1,000,000 in BTC? Amazing....
Do you see the value of the legal system now? Unfortunately it is impractical if you're across country borders, but some of us are in Australia. PS: No, my messages are not intended for Graeme Tee. Bitcointalk is not the way I will be communicating with him.
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September 12, 2014, 11:57:58 AM |
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According to my sources no one will ever receive any adequate compensation.
Graet is almost broke. His promises are just words.
9 month ago he said he would repay bulk of the loan by mid 2014. Now he promised 20BTC to all of us, which is pathetic. By the way, he still didn't pay those 20BTC. 20BTC is 1% of 2000BTC. According to my sources Graet bought back about 7000 of his shares, which is 70BTC. So he still owes 1930BTC. Accourding to the asset holders list when bitfunder closed there was only 194 006 outstanding shares in Graet loan so he must have bought back 5 994 shares back then already, or did you mean that Graet also is one of these adresses to: 7855 1FQLUf2cnS5gbEyxhbxEVkURVJ76DJHFej 7481 1JgrxkAbiCUnhY7jYJ5Vkiisx4DynNxCD9 6998 15x6dVyAJSXeH897dJ3cgF7Wf7CekeZmgj that holds around 7000 shares in Graet loan. I know how much his "btc businesses" make. It's very little. If you sue him, you get almost nothing after all legal fees.
Write this off, he is really a degenerate just like Justin00 says.
According to my sources in summer 2013 Graet had BTC securities worth at least 1000BTC. Almost all of them were scams and he waited until October or Novermber when it was too late sell them.
Graet himself admits his garbage portfolio lost 500BTC value in October. In summer his garbage portfolio was worth much more.
I'm not going to list what he had and how much. I can say I verified some of the data my sources gave me. It all was correct.
We can hope for very little compensations. Suing will give even less, because according to my sources he's almost broke.
What happened to the 500 BTC that was left in October, dident Graet sell off any of those stocks and get his funds out of BTCTC & Bitfunder or whatever stock exchange he had investments in ? 500 btc is at least 25% of what the loan was for & if he has taken advantage of the BTC price movement since then and sold/bought at the right time to the right price it could be much more by now. 7855 1FQLUf2cnS5gbEyxhbxEVkURVJ76DJHFej That's mine ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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September 12, 2014, 01:18:08 PM |
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So he can not even be bothered to post here owning over $1,000,000 in BTC? Amazing....
Do you see the value of the legal system now? Unfortunately it is impractical if you're across country borders, but some of us are in Australia. PS: No, my messages are not intended for Graeme Tee. Bitcointalk is not the way I will be communicating with him. You can have a legal system without a big powerful state that does unlawful acts all the time and want to control everything
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September 12, 2014, 02:08:46 PM |
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... You can have a legal system without a big powerful state that does unlawful acts all the time and want to control everything
To have a legal system, you need to have a big_powerful_something, whatever you want to call it. Because enforcement.
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September 15, 2014, 06:06:27 PM |
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Someone should have t-shirts made "I invested with Graet and all I got was this t-shirt"
They will be a huge hit!! Seriously!! They could be custom made for 95% of the "companies" in securities section. Bitcoin logo on 1 side, some one getting bent over on the other side... big big money making op for someone with a t-shirt printing press thingo.
I'm some what serious.
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September 15, 2014, 06:08:10 PM |
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Oh sweet jesus I have it !!! So some one wears the t-shirts I mentioned in post above... then your buddy could wear the classic "I'm with stupid" t-shirt with an arrow pointing to the side.
Again bitcoin logo on it... Obviously they have been done before, but could sell em as a pair.
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September 16, 2014, 04:17:13 AM |
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Oh sweet jesus I have it !!! So some one wears the t-shirts I mentioned in post above... then your buddy could wear the classic "I'm with stupid" t-shirt with an arrow pointing to the side.
Again bitcoin logo on it... Obviously they have been done before, but could sell em as a pair.
Crowd fund that shit and add billboards ! https://www.startjoin.com/hannityidiot
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September 20, 2014, 06:54:18 AM |
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does anyone get the 1% reply? I get nothing~~~
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September 20, 2014, 09:52:53 AM Last edit: September 21, 2014, 12:16:32 AM by szmarco |
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does anyone get the 1% reply? I get nothing~~~
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September 20, 2014, 03:02:56 PM |
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Have been a bit busy, but don't worry my intentions have not changed ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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September 20, 2014, 11:04:47 PM |
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Is that a bad joke or something ? A) That transaction is from the 10 sept and none else than you have mentioned recieving any coins. B) That transaction is in total under 5 btc not just below 20 BTC C) I checked 5 random adresses that was sent coins in that transaction, none of them was on the list of adresses Graet owes Bitcoins. D) He still havent sent me anything of what he owes me.
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September 21, 2014, 12:09:44 AM |
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Is that a bad joke or something ? A) That transaction is from the 10 sept and none else than you have mentioned recieving any coins. B) That transaction is in total under 5 btc not just below 20 BTC C) I checked 5 random adresses that was sent coins in that transaction, none of them was on the list of adresses Graet owes Bitcoins. D) He still havent sent me anything of what he owes me. conclusion ? ru0chen=$username=tradefortress=trolls ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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