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Recently a news was flashed and that is that RikoDik deal has been signed again. This time, its 50/50 partnership in profit. 50% will go to Pak and 50% will go to the mining company.
Is it fair ? i thought that giving 50% of gold is too much. Its like giving trillions of dollar to the company. A whole country is just getting 50% and a company is given 50%. Though we got trapped as there was a big penalty but still then there were some good options that they could had opted.
1. a deal, where the company could get 50% profit in the first 2,3 or may be 5 years to cover their loss of 11 billion and after those 5 years , the deal should had been 80/20 in Pakistan favor.
2. a deal with another company to pay the 11 billion dollars on spot and then they would be allowed to take profit for like 5 years so as cover the 11 billion and some profit on it and then after that all the profit could be shared 80/20 or 90/10
3. shud had paid the 11 billions directly from some friend and could had paid to that country in installments though the mining of that gold in some years.
But giving them 50% share is too much. its really is too much if you know that this could be the largest gold and copper mine in the world. I sometimes feel angry on the politicians and bureaucrats who trapped Pakistan in this deal in the first place in 2005 i think.
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March 22, 2022, 09:29:16 PM |
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جب پردہ کرتی ہے تو وہ حقیقتاً
ایک سو ستر بلین ڈالر کی فیشن
انڈسٹری پر لعنت بھیجتی ہے- Sorry out of topic hun ... Par bt achi lagi to share ki... You are wrong. The abbaaya and the scarf and other accessories are more expensive than normal stuff women purchase. The industry is thriving and you have no idea how much money they are earning. Let's not be judgmental and live and let live. At the end everyone will lie in their own grave and will give hisab of their own Amal. Save time and save yourself from unnecessary judgements. |
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March 22, 2022, 09:36:32 PM
Last edit: March 22, 2022, 09:49:31 PM by NoorulHuda Merited by shahzadafzal (1) |
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agree my dear it's not an excuses, didn't I repeat it's up to you. What scenario you have given it's your point of view isn't it? Or are you giving fatwa? or are you quoting any Islamic scholar? again yes you will calculate zakat on your "crypto assets" since those are your investments and you have plans to sale it but how you will calculate its up to you. Now If I ask let suppose I own an NFT a tweet from jack, I own it no plan to sale it, is zakat due on this? and how much? Remember If you hold an asset that is non-sharia-compliant – then zakat would not be due on that in any case as it would be deemed a haram asset.
Ya Allah... Yahan to sary hi mufti hen...  Ab ajiz kuch khti h... Agar to kissi ko psand aye to maan ly... Nai to b uss ki marzi... Just go for first? What do you think ? What is Zakat?Is ka maqsad kaya h?? Asal m islam iss chz ko hm par lagu q? Karta h?? Smj to ap sab hi gye hn gy.. But let me explain... Agar smja pai to?? Zakat kaa asal maqsad Logon m brabri k huquq peda karna h...Asal m y btana h k kissi ameer ko ghareeb par foqyat nai... Issi liye ameer ko apny maal m s kuch hissa Allah ki rah m dene k liye kaha gaya... Allah ki rah m ... Ab Allah ko zrurat to h nai... Kaya mtlab is kaa... Is kaa mtlab h uss k bandon ko do... Ab thora aagy chalen... Sab s phly kaha Fuqra o Masakeen m apny rishty daron m zakat do... Islam ki chashni dekhen... Q? Kaha gaya k phly apny rishty daron ko den... Sirf iss liye k brabri ho... Ameer khud chal k uss k ghar jaa k uss ko zakat dy... Iss liye k agar sara khandan uss s narfat karta h uss ki ghareebi ki waja s to sab ameer us k ghar jaen... Ta k koi faraq naa reh jaye... Iss bt karny ka maqsad nichy btaya h... Ab zara Musarfi-ne- Zakat par ik nazar...  Agar ap log sab kahen gy k in 8 logon ki details b den to wo b dy skti hun... Par abhi post thori lambi ho jaye gi... Acha akhir par asal muddy ki traf aun... Behas y chal rahi h... K kaya crypto par Zakat lagu hoti h k nai? G to iss par abhi koi fatwa Pakistan m mojud nai... Uss ki waja sirf y h k Pakistan m abhi crypto illegal hi mani jati h... Hm n sirf apna mind bnaya huwa h k crypto agar wese dekha jaye to haram nai h... Baqi fatwa koi mojud nai... Ab asal bt... Upar jo m n bt ki uss kaa mqsad kaya h... Ab agar Allah pak hmen koi thori c earning ka zarya dy raha h to q? Naa uss m s kuch hissa nikal k ghurba m diya jaye... Q? K asal maqsad to brabri dena h... Or muflsi khatm karna h... Zruri nai k Zakat ki niyyat ho... Khuda tarsi s b d jaa skti h... Ap wese hi 2.5% nikalen or uss ko kherat kar den... Allah ki rah m hi gaya h naa... Allah qubul kar ly gaa... Allah or barkat b daal dy gaa... Ap Zakat k asal maqsad ko dekhty huwe uss ko pura kar den... Or asal maqsad m bayan kar chuki... Or ik zruri bt..Jitna behas karen gy... Shetan utna uljhaye gaa... Iss liye bachen... Bhtr yhi h k kherat kar den... Allah ap sab ko jaza dy.. Koshish to puri ki jo dill m tha kaha... Ab pata nai sai s smja ski hun k nai... Kaha suna muaf ki jiye ga.. |
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shahzadafzal
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March 23, 2022, 03:33:32 AM |
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Happy Pakistan Day to everyone Salam to everyone sab se pehle tu koi personal nahi ham sab aik dosray ki respect karte hian aur sab ka apna political aur Islamic apna point of view ho sakta hai jis ki ham sab respect karin ge. I'm very open to almost any discussion aur mere tu yehi nazriya hia discussion karni chahiye bus ahtraam k daairay main reh kar. Aur aik baat zehn main rakhin jab ap internet pe apna koi point of view dein get u sawal he paida nahi hota uska counter point nah aaey tu us k liey apna dil open rakhin agaly ki baat sunlain aur zahir hai karin wohi jo apka acha lagta hai.
Why Everyone posts here a big banner? isn't there any way to crop it a bit so that it is seen and read properly without scrolling.
IK is in trouble though - His last statement was not liked by Armed Forces. But I still support IK.
Happy Pakistan Day to every Pakistani - hope you are celebrating today!
Ye bro ye masla hai hamaray thread ka but koi nahi new new hian na bahoot saray tu sekhne main time laga ga. Happy Day to you too.
But giving them 50% share is too much. its really is too much if you know that this could be the largest gold and copper mine in the world. I sometimes feel angry on the politicians and bureaucrats who trapped Pakistan in this deal in the first place in 2005 i think.
Yehi tu masla hia yar... ab dekhin na dunia Africa Gold and Diamond ka bahoot bara producer but unfortunately is ka unhin kitna faida hota hia ye ye aate main nimak k braber hai. Bilkul kahin Musharaf k zamane bat chal rahi hia Reko diq nah hogia masla Kashmir hogia anyway ye aik misal nahi hamari tareekh Ma Sha Allah aise mansoobon se bhari pari hia... Kalabagh Dam Noor ne point out kia tha wo bhi isi ki nazar hogia hia.
You are wrong. The abbaaya and the scarf and other accessories are more expensive than normal stuff women purchase. The industry is thriving and you have no idea how much money they are earning. Let's not be judgmental and live and let live. At the end everyone will lie in their own grave and will give hisab of their own Amal. Save time and save yourself from unnecessary judgements.
"baat tu ap ki bhi thaik hai"!!!!... actually i don't think Noor ka ya jiss ne bhi ye statement di hai us ka reality main fashion industry pe laanat bhaijane ka koi irada, balke simple words main parday ki khobsorati ko ujagar karna hia. We have seen India main aurton ko kese scraf or prday ki waja se dabaya ja raha hia. agar mazee simple alfaaz main kahin tu kia ham ye keh sakte hian " jab aurat parda karti hai tu wo fashion industry pe lanat bhaijati hia".... bus bech main se 170 billion nikal dia hia 
Jitna behas karen gy... Shetan utna uljhaye gaa... Iss liye bachen...
Bhtr yhi h k kherat kar den... Allah ap sab ko jaza dy..
Koshish to puri ki jo dill m tha kaha... Ab pata nai sai s smja ski hun k nai...
Kaha suna muaf ki jiye ga..
Noor Ma Sha Allah ap ne acha explain kia aur beshak zakat ka maksaq he yehi hia agar ham musalmaan iman daari se zakat daina tu Pakistan main zakat laine wala nah rahay. Sirf Karachi ki zakat ini hogi ham ye tax or saud walay chakar main nah parna paray.
Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Muhammad Bin Salman to be Chief Guest on Pakistan Day Parade 2022. Foreign Ministers of OIC countries to also participate. Parade will be largest ever held, as this year Pakistan completes 75 years of Independence
Yes Sayed bhai this year's celebration is already one of the biggest since OIC Members and most of them will likely attend the ceremony. |
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agree my dear it's not an excuses, didn't I repeat it's up to you.
What scenario you have given it's your point of view isn't it? Or are you giving fatwa? or are you quoting any Islamic scholar?
I don't have any fatwa or quotes by scholars but sometimes things are very clear aur han whatever I told above is my opinion. I have converted all my wealth and savings in crypto as i don't believe or trust in fiat anymore and I don't feel comfortable that i keep waiting for the fatwas  again yes you will calculate zakat on your "crypto assets" since those are your investments and you have plans to sale it but how you will calculate its up to you.
All the coins (Bitcoins, ethereum, ada, dot, etc) are currencies and not assets. So even if you have no plan of selling them, the zakat is still valid on them if it reaches the zakat amount. And also if you say how to calculate is up to us, this may lead to under calculation as per human nature. Now If I ask let suppose I own an NFT a tweet from jack, I own it no plan to sale it, is zakat due on this? and how much?
NFT is not a currency, it can be called a crypto asset and it will be treated like other assets. If you have no plan to sell NFT, then there is no zakat on it but if you bought NFT to sell it at a higher price, then you should give zakat on its base price (buying price) if one year has passed on it. In this case, NFT is your Maal-E-Tejarat. If you hold an asset that is non-sharia-compliant – then zakat would not be due on that in any case as it would be deemed a haram asset.
Here, which assets you are referring to be Haram? NFTs are not haram by the way.
Zruri nai k Zakat ki niyyat ho... Khuda tarsi s b d jaa skti h... Ap wese hi 2.5% nikalen or uss ko kherat kar den...
Bhtr yhi h k kherat kar den... Allah ap sab ko jaza dy..
Ap jitni marzi nafal namazien perth lein, agar farz namaz ni perthi tu aus ka poocha jeiy ga. Zakat kay liey Zakat ki niyat hona zaroori hay. Zakat aik farz ibadat hay , agar app nay kherat ki niyat c madad ki, tu woh kheriat ka swab tu mil joeiy ga, zakat rah jeiy gi.  |
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March 23, 2022, 04:33:00 AM
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You are wrong. The abbaaya and the scarf and other accessories are more expensive than normal stuff women purchase. The industry is thriving and you have no idea how much money they are earning. Let's not be judgmental and live and let live. At the end everyone will lie in their own grave and will give hisab of their own Amal. Save time and save yourself from unnecessary judgements.
How could you say that is expensive? If you buy one abaya or scarf... So it can be used for five to six years easily... It is not expensive... And we know what we are? Or y b janti hen k kese ayyash mardon ki gandi nazron s bachna h... Or rahi bt other stuff ki to wo b uss ko kabhi kabhi zrurat parti h.. agar wo waqe hu baa haya larki h to... Or I know better then you k what is expensive or what is not? Here are the two more silent messages... 
"baat tu ap ki bhi thaik hai"!!!!... actually i don't think Noor ka ya jiss ne bhi ye statement di hai us ka reality main fashion industry pe laanat bhaijane ka koi irada, balke simple words main parday ki khobsorati ko ujagar karna hia. We have seen India main aurton ko kese scraf or prday ki waja se dabaya ja raha hia. agar mazee simple alfaaz main kahin tu kia ham ye keh sakte hian " jab aurat parda karti hai tu wo fashion industry pe lanat bhaijati hia".... bus bech main se 170 billion nikal dia hia Nai nai ap thora jaldi fesla kar gye... M n waqe hi sai bt ki h... Agar orat baa haya h... To wo other stuff b uss hisab s hi khareedy gi... Or fashion industry jin chizon ki zyada numaish karti h... Ap sb khub janty hen... To lanat to parti h... Un k stuff par b un k pese par b...
Ap jitni marzi nafal namazien perth lein, agar farz namaz ni perthi tu aus ka poocha jeiy ga. Zakat kay liey Zakat ki niyat hona zaroori hay. Zakat aik farz ibadat hay , agar app nay kherat ki niyat c madad ki, tu woh kheriat ka swab tu mil joeiy ga, zakat rah jeiy gi. M n yhi bt ki h k kherat hi hogi... Niyyat Zakat ki hogi to Allah ki rehmat par kiss kaa zor h kaya pata wo Zakat kaa hi swab dy dy... Ap shayad muamly hi hassasyat ko nai smj rahy... Asal m hm abhi issi kash mkash s nai nikly k crypto b halal h k haram... Agar 10 Ulma khty hen k Halal h to 20 Haram b khty hen... Or baqaida fatwa nai mojud kissi b darulifta kaa... Agar h to plz share ki jiye gaa mjy nai mila abhi tak... Issi waja s is par abhi zakat nai nikly gi... Sirf issi liye kaha k zakat ki niyyatbs diya jaye to kaya pata Allah swab b dy dy nai to kherat kaa swab to mily gaa hi naa... Shahzad bhai issi par to zor daal rahy hen k crypto assets par koi fatwa nai h... Issi liye iss par zakat nai hogi... Am I right Shahzadafzal?
Or meri traf s b Sab Ko Pakistan Resolution Day Mubarak ho. |
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March 23, 2022, 04:55:04 AM |
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Asal m hm abhi issi kash mkash s nai nikly k crypto b halal h k haram... Agar 10 Ulma khty hen k Halal h to 20 Haram b khty hen...
Or baqaida fatwa nai mojud kissi b darulifta kaa... Agar h to plz share ki jiye gaa mjy nai mila abhi tak...
Issi waja s is par abhi zakat nai nikly gi...
Sirf issi liye kaha k zakat ki niyyatbs diya jaye to kaya pata Allah swab b dy dy nai to kherat kaa swab to mily gaa hi naa...
Shahzad bhai issi par to zor daal rahy hen k crypto assets par koi fatwa nai h... Issi liye iss par zakat nai hogi... Am I right Shahzadafzal?
Pata ni hum apnay app ko dhokkha day rahay hein ya kis ko dhokaa day rahaey hein ? Agar crypto halal hi ni hay tu phir tu hum sab haram aktha kr rahay hein. Let's leave crypto and wait until koi Ulma sahi fatwa day phelay. Lekin ni, hum crypto ko legal sumjhee hein, halal sumjhtee hein ais leiy we keep on accumulating and working on crypto. (by the way crypoto halal hay) but zakat denay kay time we say k fatwaa ni hay tu zakat kion deein ya zakat ni hogi. Ajeeb sooch hay humarai. عورت
جب پردہ کرتی ہے تو وہ حقیقتاً
ایک سو ستر بلین ڈالر کی فیشن
انڈسٹری پر لعنت بھیجتی ہے- Sorry out of topic hun ... Par bt achi lagi to share ki... Aik aurat jab parda kerti hay tu woh society ko choor k apnay Allah ko razi kerti hay aur ais c achi koi baat ni. |
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March 23, 2022, 04:59:50 AM |
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March 23, 2022, 05:06:38 AM Merited by UmerIdrees (2) |
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Lekin ni, hum crypto ko legal sumjhee hein, halal sumjhtee hein ais leiy we keep on accumulating and working on crypto. (by the way crypoto halal hay) but zakat denay kay time we say k fatwaa ni hay tu zakat kion deein ya zakat ni hogi. Ajeeb sooch hay humarai.
خود اپنے جال میں صیاد آگیاYhi to m kh rahi hun k agar ap crypto ko halal smjty hen to niyyat ki Zakat ki kar k Zakat dy den... Jese crypto ko halal farz kiya huwa h esy hi Zakat ko b farz karna parry ga... Jesi ap ki bunyad ho wesa hi agy b sochen... Jab crypto ka fatwa aye to zakat ka b fatwa aye ga... Or m n roka nai h... Zakat nikalny s jo ap kh rahy hen k crypto ko halal nai smjty or zakat par fatwa mang rahy hen...
Hall y h apny sary assets ko sell karen... Paper money m laen or phr zakat nikalen... Or esa mumkin nai h to phr jnb niyyat hi karni parry gi... Par hissa zrur nikalen rok koi nai raha... Ap ko lagta h k ap nisab par pura utrty hen to lazmi zakat nikalen... Or ik Akhri bt jo k zruri h.. Islam niyyat ka phal zrur deta h..Jese agar ap n kissi neki ki niyyat ki h to ap ko swab phly hi mil jata h... Details m nai jati... Smj to gye hn gy... |
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UmerIdrees
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March 23, 2022, 05:33:43 AM |
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Koi bhi 100% good ya bad ni hota. I think waqar zaka ki kuch batein achi bhi hein aur kuch sai ni bhi hein
Pros:
1) He is giving crypto awareness in 10$ per month jo k bohat cheap price hy.
2) He is fighting to make crypto legal
Cons:
1) He has some hidden agenda to promote his coin/exchanges
2) He is promoting future trading , new traders must be losing a lot
3) Woh trading sikka ni raha, he wants k you become his student forever and fazool batein like trading signals through astrology etc
I agree to your this pro 2 point yes he's doing his best to make it legal and taking $10 for awareness I think it's not a Pros but con. All the cons are 100% true and I agree with you but sab batoan ki aik baat "andhon main kaana raja" jab hamary pass aur hai he koi nahi tu phir yehi hamara hero bhi aur yehi zero bhi 10$ per month lena bura kaisay hua ? He has the right to charge for his services and 10$ bohat kaam hay as compare to what others are charging. Yeh alag baat hay k he is not giving technical trading knowledge. Bagi, humaray pass aur bhi options hein and they are doing a great job too in creating crypto awareness. Haris bhai, the market wizard facebook group chala rahein ( https://web.facebook.com/groups/themarketwizardshub) aur aun kay free content c hi bohat kuch seekhnay ko mil jeiy ga. https://www.youtube.com/c/HarisKhanTheHarmonicWizardSyed Ann ( https://web.facebook.com/cryptobrotherspremium), cryptobrotherspremium ka group chala raha hay which is joint venture with the news anchor Syed Ali Haider. Sayeds56 bhai , he is giving his expert analysis here on bitcointalk and also on the bountyportals telegram channel. |
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shahzadafzal
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March 23, 2022, 05:42:28 AM |
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Bilkul friends Umer bhai you are right Zakat faraz hai aur pori pori daina hoti hai... andaza se nahi, ye nahi zakat 10,000 banti tu aap sawab ki niyat se calculate kiye baghaira 15,000 samaj k dein. Yes Noor sis Zakat aur kherat aik chez nahi. Aur zakat calculate karnay ka bhi sawab hia... iss ko sahi sahi calculate karnay k liye purnay wakton main log alag se banda rakhte the, aur ye sab bhi sawab ki niyat se ki jata tha. إنما الأعمال بالنياتab agar ham Crypto se aur bitcoin se kama raha hian aur halal samaj k kama rehe zakat bhi aise he dein ge. Umer bhai ne kaha NFT pe zakat nahi hai tu ye bhi api ki apni pe hai... aur wese I'm very clear on this Bitcoin is the true and only crypto currency baqi sab fake hai wese aik baat please don't relate it zakat, we have are already decided on this didn't we? ok so let suppose here's a food for thought Suppose you have $20,000 dollar. You buy $10,000 worth of bitcoins For remaining $10,000 you bought an NFT (let it be a tweet or a Pic) You don't have any plans to sale both of these.... no where in the near future or let say not until bitcoin reaches $1 million and will not sale NFT unless it's worth 1 million dollar. Now tell me is there a difference between my NFT and Bitcoin? |
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March 23, 2022, 05:53:45 AM |
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ok so let suppose here's a food for thought
Suppose you have $20,000 dollar.
You buy $10,000 worth of bitcoins
For remaining $10,000 you bought an NFT (let it be a tweet or a Pic)
You don't have any plans to sale both of these.... no where in the near future or let say not until bitcoin reaches $1 million and will not sale NFT unless it's worth 1 million dollar.
Now tell me is there a difference between my NFT and Bitcoin?
G shahzad bhai, there is a difference between NFT and bitcoin calculations because aik asset hay aur doosrsa currency, I will try to explain in detail. With bitcoin you can use to buy and sell goods and services directly and it is used as a currency. NFT c app kuch buy ya sell ni ker saktay, you will have to first sell NFT and then get money to buy , sell things, so it is a asset. Bitcoin app nay $10000 lay leiy hein tu said 0.2 aien gay. Tu har saal according to the current price you will give zakat at 0.25%. Chayee bitcoin nikal dein ya chayee conversion kr k rs ki form mein zakat nikal dein. Agar app conversion kr k nikalein gay tu hosaktha hay kisi saal zada zakat barh jeiy like bitcoin 60,0000$ ka ho..aur kisi saal kam bunay like bitcoin 25,000$ ka ho.. Dollar ka bhi same hisab hay, agar app kay pass dollar ya USDT hen tu. kisi saal dollar 150 ka hay tu kisi saal 180 ka. NFT app nay sale kay liey buy kia hay, tu bus har saal buying price p hi app zakat dein dein gay aur jab sell hoga 1 million dollar ka tu phir zahir hay 1 million dollar p bhi zakat dena hogi. |
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March 23, 2022, 05:58:07 AM |
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Now tell me is there a difference between my NFT and Bitcoin?
G g bilul thk kaha g ap n... Niyyat kar k dy den... Allah swab dene wala h... Or rahi NFT or Bitcoin ki bt... To dono m ik chz common h... Kambakht Dono hi hath m nahi aaty..  Yes Noor sis Zakat aur kherat aik chez nahi. Aur zakat calculate karnay ka bhi sawab hia... iss ko sahi sahi calculate karnay k liye purnay wakton main log alag se banda rakhte the, aur ye sab bhi sawab ki niyat se ki jata tha.
إنما الأعمال بالنيات
Yhi m n kaha dono ik nai hen... Calculate b wese hi karen or nikalen b utna hi jitna banta h... Or niyyat b Zakat ki kar len... Jese upar kaha m n... K agar Bitcoin ko halal smja h to Zakat ko b Zakat smj kar hi den... |
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G shahzad bhai, there is a difference between NFT and bitcoin calculations because aik asset hay aur doosrsa currency, I will try to explain in detail. With bitcoin you can use to buy and sell goods and services directly and it is used as a currency. NFT c app kuch buy ya sell ni ker saktay, you will have to first sell NFT and then get money to buy , sell things, so it is a asset.
Bitcoin app nay $10000 lay leiy hein tu said 0.2 aien gay. Tu har saal according to the current price you will give zakat at 0.25%. Chayee bitcoin nikal dein ya chayee conversion kr k rs ki form mein zakat nikal dein. Agar app conversion kr k nikalein gay tu hosaktha hay kisi saal zada zakat barh jeiy like bitcoin 60,0000$ ka ho..aur kisi saal kam bunay like bitcoin 25,000$ ka ho..
Dollar ka bhi same hisab hay, agar app kay pass dollar ya USDT hen tu. kisi saal dollar 150 ka hay tu kisi saal 180 ka.
NFT app nay sale kay liey buy kia hay, tu bus har saal buying price p hi app zakat dein dein gay aur jab sell hoga 1 million dollar ka tu phir zahir hay 1 million dollar p bhi zakat dena hogi.
I wish if it was that simple dear. Kasam se ap ki niyat ya explanation pe koi shak nahi balke kisi had tak mera bhi yehi point of view.. but I'm a pro bitcoiner I consider only bitcoin as true value able asset. Ap google kar k dekh lain "is bitcoin an asset or currency".  Many, there are many pro bitcoiner who consider bitcoin as true asset NOT crypto-currency, they consider it as true asset class. Ye tu shitcoins ne aakar sara nimaz kharab kar dia and even this "cryptocurrency" term is so absurd. Aur jahan tak bat hai NFT ki tu why not calculate the real price every time like put it on sale and get the offer don't sale it, but just to see how much it worth... you see what I'm trying to say. So based on what one cay say give zakat on your buying price only?
G g bilul thk kaha g ap n... Niyyat kar k dy den... Allah swab dene wala h... Or rahi NFT or Bitcoin ki bt... To dono m ik chz common h... Kambakht Dono hi hath m nahi aaty.. Please take it as a light discussion not an argument, dekhin ab Noor sis ne jo paintings NFT bana k sale pe lagai hoin hain un pe zakat list price pe hogi ya base price:P Of course wo inka art hai sale nahi kia, so one cay say no zakat ok but if now I offer her 1 ETH and se refuses but and she wanted to sale it for 2 ETH? ab kia hoga |
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UmerIdrees
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March 23, 2022, 06:40:12 AM
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Aur jahan tak bat hai NFT ki tu why not calculate the real price every time like put it on sale and get the offer don't sale it, but just to see how much it worth... you see what I'm trying to say. So based on what one cay say give zakat on your buying price only?
We have no option here but to consider the base price. Kion k aik NFT ki price who hay jis p app nay buy kia. Now you want to sell at higher price, but jab tak sell ni hota tu hum buying price hi calculate kr saktay hein. On the other hand, bitcoin ki tu selling price hy exchanges p, so we can't consider buying price every time for crypto currencies.
Please take it as a light discussion not an argument, dekhin ab Noor sis ne jo paintings NFT bana k sale pe lagai hoin hain un pe zakat list price pe hogi ya base price:P
Of course wo inka art hai sale nahi kia, so one cay say no zakat ok but if now I offer her 1 ETH and se refuses but and she wanted to sale it for 2 ETH? ab kia hoga
If you offer 1 Eth and she refused tu ais ka mutlab yeh ni hua k aus NFT ki price 1 Eth ni hogi. She will not give zakat on her own build NFT aur jab NFT sale hogi 2 ETH p tu aus p zakat hogi bus. Apki apni NFT is like apka apna ghar...now you want to sell your home for 1 crore rs, agar koi 80 Lakh ki qimat laga day, tu app p zakat ni hoti, jab tak k app sell na kero. |
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NoorulHuda
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March 23, 2022, 06:57:52 AM |
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We have no option here but to consider the base price. Kion k aik NFT ki price who hay jis p app nay buy kia. Now you want to sell at higher price, but jab tak sell ni hota tu hum buying price hi calculate kr saktay hein. On the other hand, bitcoin ki tu selling price hy exchanges p, so we can't consider buying price every time for crypto currencies.
Is par to m b iktfa karun gi... Ab market m Ik jese NFT's mojud hen... Agar to ap k pas esa koi NFT mojud h jiss ki price already mojud h market m to yaqeenan uss k mutabit hi Zakat nikly gi... Bss wo nisab m ati ho... And second agar uss ki koi price mojud nai or sell b nai hui to buying price hi consider ki jaye gi... Q? K we have no other option. If you offer 1 Eth and she refused tu ais ka mutlab yeh ni hua k aus NFT ki price 1 Eth hogi. She will not give zakat on her own build NFT aur jab NFT sale hogi 2 ETH p tu aus p zakat hogi bus.
Or y b bilkul thk h jab tak sell nai hogi tab tak kese uss par zakat hogi... Han is m ik or surat b h... Agar art work m n kiya or waqe hi uss par mera kharcha itna aya k wo 1ETH h to us par Zakat lagu ho gi... Is ki sada c misal jese ik jaga buy ki or uss par ghar bnaya or uss ko bechna h to b Zakat ati h... Bilkul issi trah y hoga... |
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shahzadafzal
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March 23, 2022, 07:21:44 AM |
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We have no option here but to consider the base price. Kion k aik NFT ki price who hay jis p app nay buy kia. Now you want to sell at higher price, but jab tak sell ni hota tu hum buying price hi calculate kr saktay hein. On the other hand, bitcoin ki tu selling price hy exchanges p, so we can't consider buying price every time for crypto currencies.
wohi tu Umer bhai why not calculate actual price on NFT also? why base price in this case?... chalin aik aur misaal deta hon maine ghar kharedaa 10 lac ka... mere ghar k pass motorway ban jae aur ab if I sale this house it will be worth 100lac, but i'm not planning to sale, aur zakat zahir hai muje deni hia, kion k ghar maine investment k tor pe khareda tha like NFT. Ab kia main 10 lac pe zakat don ga ya 100lac k hisab which is the actual worth of my house now. Pakistan main sab properties ki current value pe zakat dete hian na... same goes to NFT agar main NFT $10,000 kharedi thi but today after one year it worth $20,0000... then why base price? kehne maksad sirf ye hia jo ap ne definition di hia wo ap k hisab se thaik hia likan agar koi different opinion rakhta hia on bitcion or NFT you can't say he's wrong. Kion k iss pe koi fatwa nahi hai... aur jab ijmah-umah ya fatwa nah hon ye tu apki apni swabdeed aur aqal k mutabiq faisla hoga. If you offer 1 Eth and she refused tu ais ka mutlab yeh ni hua k aus NFT ki price 1 Eth ni hogi. She will not give zakat on her own build NFT aur jab NFT sale hogi 2 ETH p tu aus p zakat hogi bus.
Apki apni NFT is like apka apna ghar...now you want to sell your home for 1 crore rs, agar koi 80 Lakh ki qimat laga day, tu app p zakat ni hoti, jab tak k app sell na kero.
Umer bhai again you didn't get my point or may be I was unable to explain. Apki apni NFT is like apna ghar how? hahaha agar main apnay 10 ghar bana lon aur kahon ye mere personal hian and rent pe p ebhi nahi tu kia un pe zakat nahi hogi? zahir hai main 10 main aikhate tu nahi reh raha aik main reh raha hon tu kia baqi 9 pe zakat nahi banay gi? You accepted NFT is an asset and gold is also an asset but for NFT your point of view is calculate zakat on base price but for Gold and Bitcoin based on current market price. Just now i saw this on twitter  nahi nahi ye fatwa nahi just another point of view of someone
Is par to m b iktfa karun gi...
Ab market m Ik jese NFT's mojud hen... Agar to ap k pas esa koi NFT mojud h jiss ki price already mojud h market m to yaqeenan uss k mutabit hi Zakat nikly gi... Bss wo nisab m ati ho...
And second agar uss ki koi price mojud nai or sell b nai hui to buying price hi consider ki jaye gi... Q? K we have no other option.
Since NFT is an asset (wo nahi jo apne khud banai, but the one which you own or buy) so why not calculate current price? Yes it's unique and you own it for quite some time and if you sale now its 100x then why not calculate based on current market value? |
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galambo
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March 23, 2022, 07:33:38 AM |
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By the way I didn't see you before.
Ap s taruf nai huwa phly kabhi...
And to sell Bitcoin I think you should try binance p2p. I think it is better to trust then anyone else.
Ma rwp/isb region sa hn. Kindly Thore guide kr dyn, I have few questions. 1. I have a KYC account on binance, can I link any Pakistani bank account with binance to withdraw USD? 2. Is it necessary that I have to link bank account of my name with binance or any account (account of my brother for instance) can be connected. |
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shahzadafzal
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March 23, 2022, 07:45:10 AM |
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Ma rwp/isb region sa hn. Kindly Thore guide kr dyn, I have few questions.
1. I have a KYC account on binance, can I link any Pakistani bank account with binance to withdraw USD?
2. Is it necessary that I have to link bank account of my name with binance or any account (account of my brother for instance) can be connected.
I will suggest better don't use Pakistani bank account for time being and but if it's really urgent or necessary use your own account don't use brother account or friends account at all. Because of this KYC and many checks from bank and Binance a small mistake can get you banned or suspend, these mistakes could your account account title miss match with your Binanace account and bank. Like Noor suggested p2p is another option in P2P you do a cash transaction if you find someone located in Rwp/Isb or you can meet f2f and do the transaction sale your USDT of course you have to sale it with lower price only then someone will buy. Well I suggest to all my friends and colleagues ham sab koi nah koi dost cousin hota he hai out Pak, get his/her help and let him get the withdrawal in his account and he can transfer you to Pak by any means. Better if you can pay him some fee for his hassle and he will be more happy to help you next time also |
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