Why do most people invest in wrong ICOs to lose money ?

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

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[PokerDiceMan]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

all investor monaco token is profit, monaco ico price is cheap, if not wrog only 1 dollar
all investor if sell in peak price, profit 7x

if want succes in ico project must have good analys, choose good project, and must wait hold minimum 3 month, or until token price above ico price

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

all investor monaco token is profit, monaco ico price is cheap, if not wrog only 1 dollar
all investor if sell in peak price, profit 7x

if want succes in ico project must have good analys, choose good project, and must wait hold minimum 3 month, or until token price above ico price

Monaco is clearly a disappointment, since it was in line with early ICOs and with the change in business model so early on, it's future is uncertain in terms of value - yes one could have made 7x with the correct timing, but early ICOs were a different world.

Banco is a disgrace.

[amrulshare]

it's back to your decision to choose a promising project, you should see the potential for making the project like development team, whitepaper, Conducted campaigns and etc.

[sofakingporkhunt]

People like to gamble 

[coiner495]

if want succes in ico project must have good analys, choose good project, and must wait hold minimum 3 month, or until token price above ico price

It's best to have a good luck. Other things don't help that much.

My opinion is to stop investing in ICOs and wait till the bubble collapses. Why?
1) ICO success rate is falling from 30-40% in summer to 3-5% in October.
2) People are loosing interest in ICOs. Take a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org#overview This means the hype is over and "fresh blood" is not flowing into the market.

So I believe it's time to stop hunting for "promising" projects, stay away and see what's left after the burst.

[timikulit]

Its your own decision to make on which ICO you wanted to invest in.

Just always do your homework when joining ICO (Good Whitepaper. Reputable Developers and Advisers, Potential of the project)

Doing these will lessen your risk in joining on wrong ICO. However, This is not 100%.

[cryptofangirl]

So I believe it's time to stop hunting for "promising" projects, stay away and see what's left after the burst.

When do you approximate that the "brust" will be over?

[katinko]

it always taking "RISK", most of ICO are not true or scam, but there are ICO which the project could help the economy of bitcoin and they are sharing profit for every investor, i also think that investing is base on the luck for now but if you are searching deeper for the ICO that would be your advantage to decide in the right ICO.

[Hughcrypto]

if want succes in ico project must have good analys, choose good project, and must wait hold minimum 3 month, or until token price above ico price

It's best to have a good luck. Other things don't help that much.

My opinion is to stop investing in ICOs and wait till the bubble collapses. Why?
1) ICO success rate is falling from 30-40% in summer to 3-5% in October.
2) People are loosing interest in ICOs. Take a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org#overview This means the hype is over and "fresh blood" is not flowing into the market.

So I believe it's time to stop hunting for "promising" projects, stay away and see what's left after the burst.

The "funny" thing about your comment is that the success rate of the 30 - 40% now is even lower. I.e. as the above person said, if you would have sold Monaco at the right time, you would have made 7x - what about the buyer though ? He is almost wiped out. So they are not really successes anymore for longer holders or later participants.

So 3-5% probably makes sense.

It is extremely difficult to find these, so most should stay away.

But there are some projects that can prevail and be a new kind of ICO that makes sense - please have a look at Prosume Energy and tell me what you think.

https://prosume.io

[leea-1334]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You are not the first to bring this up and you will not be the last. The problem is many fold. The masses who are buying into all these hyped ICOs know very little about crypto or blockchain. But how can you be upset with them when even the teams behind the big ICO projects themselves know so little about crypto, apart from one or two developers on their team?

ICOs must be recognized as a good tool. But like any tool they can be misused.

The basic fundamentals of investments need to be learnt first!

[fatenmo]

if want succes in ico project must have good analys, choose good project, and must wait hold minimum 3 month, or until token price above ico price

It's best to have a good luck. Other things don't help that much.

My opinion is to stop investing in ICOs and wait till the bubble collapses. Why?
1) ICO success rate is falling from 30-40% in summer to 3-5% in October.
2) People are loosing interest in ICOs. Take a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org#overview This means the hype is over and "fresh blood" is not flowing into the market.

So I believe it's time to stop hunting for "promising" projects, stay away and see what's left after the burst.

I can agree with point no1 but will have to disagree with point no2 because the interest is always there. There are new ideas and concepts coming from ICO's, maybe some ICO's are being hyped abit too much, and end up failing hard, but others are legit.
As far as "fresh blood", it's still too early to say this 2017 is not over yet and I feel that November and December will bring some very solid ICO's!!!

[LeapTokenSale]

Because not everything is marketing. Now with the rise of the ICOs, people have found out that this is a profitable investment, but they tend to forget to make a proper research and as a result, they make poor investments.

[kryptqnick]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You put it in the name of the thread as if people actually invested to lose money. This is surely wrong. It is just rather hard to define what is going to be a good investment. I bought blackmoon for about 70 cents and now it's under 50. The project was interesting, team is legit and marketing was amazing. What has gone wrong? No idea. Electroneum also has a team full of enthusiasts and the idea of their project is truly innovative and attractive. Yet from the time coin was released the price has only been going down. Why is this happening? Hard to say. It's not as easy as you put it anyway.

[sehoon]

The only possibility I can see is that they don't do enough research about that ICO. It is true that not all ICOs have a potential.

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You are not the first to bring this up and you will not be the last. The problem is many fold. The masses who are buying into all these hyped ICOs know very little about crypto or blockchain. But how can you be upset with them when even the teams behind the big ICO projects themselves know so little about crypto, apart from one or two developers on their team?

ICOs must be recognized as a good tool. But like any tool they can be misused.

The basic fundamentals of investments need to be learnt first!

This is one of the best comments I have read on bitcointalk.

People do not even realize that the teams they invest in know nothing about crypto or blockchain. I do not know everything about it so I make sure I only invest in projects that have 1. EXCELLENT BLOCKCHAIN experts and 2. EXCELLENT sector / business specialists and 3. EXCELLENT ADVISORS showing the reality.

Look at Prosume Energy please and please tell me what you think.

Blockchain experts, enery experts, and advisory board with Ernst and Young and even sovereign wealth funds. Show me ONE single project that has something similar.

http://prosume.io/

[sabujo]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You put it in the name of the thread as if people actually invested to lose money. This is surely wrong. It is just rather hard to define what is going to be a good investment. I bought blackmoon for about 70 cents and now it's under 50. The project was interesting, team is legit and marketing was amazing. What has gone wrong? No idea. Electroneum also has a team full of enthusiasts and the idea of their project is truly innovative and attractive. Yet from the time coin was released the price has only been going down. Why is this happening? Hard to say. It's not as easy as you put it anyway.

I agree on this. There are too many factors that can shift everything upside down in a brief instant - even if the "old" corolary of good projects apply (team, community, idea, etc...).

[Wakhid Mukti]

Define wrong ICOs? this actually leads to a good and most appropriate investment. But there will always back to investor, we cannot judge wrong when others maybe say true. And like kryptqnick say people invest is not for losing money. So they must be do their own research before investing.

[gallery2000]

Participate in ICO is risky. many projects are closed. By experience the best time to participate in the summer ICO. It is also better to use insider information

[sabujo]

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

What in your opinion is the difference between Grid+ and SunContract, for instance? Aren't both promoting exchange of surplus energy through crypto assets?

[Descentralized_DaN]

ICO's need to start asking for the real value they need, projects asking for 40M when they only needed 1M at most is the biggest problem, if they deliver the token value will fly so the tokens they still own will too, that way the risk/reward is better divided between investors and ICO makers.
In case they raise 40M even if the token goes to 0 its a big win.
We need more honest ICO like confido.

[BitcoinHodler]

because it is easy for you to say they are "wrong" ICOs now that they are over and their fate is clear to everyone. but by the time they are hyping things up, every one of them are super active and show themselves as the best and most active team in the whole world.

besides investing in ICOs are all the same, and it is like gambling. none of them really do anything. the criteria you mentioned are pointless too. none of those ICOs do anything either, they are just more profitable because the bets people made were more lucky, nothing more.

[KingScorpio]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

i tell you why,

you actually dont lose money you lose capital, money these days means a lot.

because the investors have increasingly no choice, they will lose much more if they dont invest.

nation state bankers have to constantly invest and give money or economic structure will collapse and destroy because people that have trusted the economic system made an apperenticeship demand regular contracts.

people that left nation state economics and engage in cryptoeconomics have to speculate to get economic gains, since they have no idea how to build and run a company, because they have no idea about legal framworks and technical know how.

so they are then tapped int he principal agent dilema,

you dont have to start a principal agent science profession now, you can simply use the old existing one.

or you look for a professional investment company, that does the professional thinking for you.

but that costs.

regards

[eternalgloom]

Participate in ICO is risky. many projects are closed. By experience the best time to participate in the summer ICO. It is also better to use insider information

There is no right or wrong time to invest in an ICO, you just have to pick the right project regardless of when you choose to invest.
Most people don't really have insider information, so it's silly to give that as advice.

Instead people should focus on doing research about the team, technical aspects of the ICO and what kind of work has already gone into the project.

[trk]

high risk high gain?
the problem is they are giving it their money (to them this means investment) while having no experience or atleast time to re-study the whitepaper, prospect, etc
At the end of the day they end up losing money

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You put it in the name of the thread as if people actually invested to lose money. This is surely wrong. It is just rather hard to define what is going to be a good investment. I bought blackmoon for about 70 cents and now it's under 50. The project was interesting, team is legit and marketing was amazing. What has gone wrong? No idea. Electroneum also has a team full of enthusiasts and the idea of their project is truly innovative and attractive. Yet from the time coin was released the price has only been going down. Why is this happening? Hard to say. It's not as easy as you put it anyway.

Please do not misunderstand me - absolutely it is not easy at all, but when I see what kind of projects are achieving some kind of manufactured hype and then loads of investors it is rather sad.

That people do not gravitate towards quality instead of hype is a deciding phenomena.

[Hughcrypto]

Define wrong ICOs? this actually leads to a good and most appropriate investment. But there will always back to investor, we cannot judge wrong when others maybe say true. And like kryptqnick say people invest is not for losing money. So they must be do their own research before investing.

Defingin a "wrong" ICO is of course impossible, I did not mean it so bluntly.

It is the way so many people talk about whatever has managed to spend money on creating a fake hype - and that is then followed by disappointment down the line.

In my eyes the market has changed - before a large chunk of ICOs were short term positive because everything was hyped.

Now, the research has to go beyond the immediate ICO listing "pop" - the easy money is gone.

But I truly believe among all the rubbish there are real projects such as Prosume Energy and Grid+.

[okissabam]

All I could sayis to each his own, maybe people invest in the wrong ICO and eventually lose their money probably because they all think they could earn from or profit from it. I would think the same thing if I were them.

[Hughcrypto]

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

What in your opinion is the difference between Grid+ and SunContract, for instance? Aren't both promoting exchange of surplus energy through crypto assets?

Well first of all a project needs to go beyond the pure exchange of "surplus" - it has to be part of a decentralisation as well as deregulationary "revolution" if you will.

SunContract does not have anything close to the professionalism or contacts or regional spread as a professional project such as Prosume Energy - of course the underlying idea is ok.

But in order for there to be amazing upside potential the team has to be top notch (Prosume has amazing blockchain and energy experts and advisors from Ernst and Young as well as sovereign wealth funds !) and is based Europe wide for a global eventual roll out.

Not comparable. Being in the right sector and even having the right idea is not enough ingredients for success.

[leea-1334]

Thank you to OP for your message. I apologise I cannot reply directly since I get several PMs. But you are right of course, people have sorely underestimated what it takes to make a crypto successful. See Bitcoin core they have so many geniuses at work and they still have problems. See their upgrades and pull comments. No alt or ICO has even 0.01% of development that Bitcoin has. And if they do, it is not as transparent.

The hard truth is almost all ICOs have absolutely no clue about how to create the solutions they are promoting. They just hope to find the right dev, copy code from existing blockchains and hire outsourced coders to patch things together.

[Hughcrypto]

ICO's need to start asking for the real value they need, projects asking for 40M when they only needed 1M at most is the biggest problem, if they deliver the token value will fly so the tokens they still own will too, that way the risk/reward is better divided between investors and ICO makers.
In case they raise 40M even if the token goes to 0 its a big win.
We need more honest ICO like confido.

I do not disagree - a large size does not have to be detrimental if the business plan backs it - decentralised energy and associated projects globally could easily swallow 2bn USD.

However, most could survive on much much smaller which then kills the holders.

What is even worse in my eyes though are the ICOs that issue tokens to themselves IRRESPECTIVE of size raised. That is a clear scam. To make clear what I mean - 1m tokens raised - 100m tokens to the team, or 100m tokens raised - 100m tokens to the team.

[Hughcrypto]

because it is easy for you to say they are "wrong" ICOs now that they are over and their fate is clear to everyone. but by the time they are hyping things up, every one of them are super active and show themselves as the best and most active team in the whole world.

besides investing in ICOs are all the same, and it is like gambling. none of them really do anything. the criteria you mentioned are pointless too. none of those ICOs do anything either, they are just more profitable because the bets people made were more lucky, nothing more.

My point is that people need to change the way they view "hype" - because I believe it is the opposite of good.

A real project does not hype itself like a cheap streetworker.

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

i tell you why,

you actually dont lose money you lose capital, money these days means a lot.

because the investors have increasingly no choice, they will lose much more if they dont invest.

nation state bankers have to constantly invest and give money or economic structure will collapse and destroy because people that have trusted the economic system made an apperenticeship demand regular contracts.

people that left nation state economics and engage in cryptoeconomics have to speculate to get economic gains, since they have no idea how to build and run a company, because they have no idea about legal framworks and technical know how.

so they are then tapped int he principal agent dilema,

you dont have to start a principal agent science profession now, you can simply use the old existing one.

or you look for a professional investment company, that does the professional thinking for you.

but that costs.

regards

Even f that were the case - there should still be the incentive to look beyond hype that has proven to be negative in the longer run, and focus on the few real projects such as Prosume.

I just do not like seeing people being ripped off all the time.

[Hughcrypto]

Participate in ICO is risky. many projects are closed. By experience the best time to participate in the summer ICO. It is also better to use insider information

There is no right or wrong time to invest in an ICO, you just have to pick the right project regardless of when you choose to invest.
Most people don't really have insider information, so it's silly to give that as advice.

Instead people should focus on doing research about the team, technical aspects of the ICO and what kind of work has already gone into the project.

You are absolutely right.

Sadly, that is not what is being done.

[Badhuamin]

maybe the person is not careful in choosing to invest in ico that he chose not see in detail about ico vision and mission that he followed.

[sabujo]

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

What in your opinion is the difference between Grid+ and SunContract, for instance? Aren't both promoting exchange of surplus energy through crypto assets?

Well first of all a project needs to go beyond the pure exchange of "surplus" - it has to be part of a decentralisation as well as deregulationary "revolution" if you will.

SunContract does not have anything close to the professionalism or contacts or regional spread as a professional project such as Prosume Energy - of course the underlying idea is ok.

But in order for there to be amazing upside potential the team has to be top notch (Prosume has amazing blockchain and energy experts and advisors from Ernst and Young as well as sovereign wealth funds !) and is based Europe wide for a global eventual roll out.

Not comparable. Being in the right sector and even having the right idea is not enough ingredients for success.

Thank you for your input. I actually invested in SNC in the beginning but I've been wondering what kind of future I do expect of them because I don't see revolutionary fundamentals there. The idea seems good but in theory anyone can do what they want to do.

[jatin729]

Yeah i totally agree with your question that most of people are investing their money wrong ico, because they are not researched about them.
 here is one way to identify legit ico if particular ico has forum on bitcointalk.org and it has started campaign than it would be consider as legit ico. People can invest in it.

[Poink]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You sound like all knowing.  CRYPTO in general is all speculation (yes even BTC).  It is a form of a gamble and very unpredictable.  In everything, there are winners and losers.  Not everyone can be winners...sorry but that is real life.

You claim Bancor and Monaco are bad coins...while I don't own both, I disagree with you.  You might end up eating your words a few months from now based on these two alone.

Good projects sometimes tank, bad projects sometimes become hits...it is what it is and if it is easy to predict, everyone will make the right call and NO ONE will make money as they do in crypto world.  It is a double edged sword...cuts both way.  You need losers to win.

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You sound like all knowing.  CRYPTO in general is all speculation (yes even BTC).  It is a form of a gamble and very unpredictable.  In everything, there are winners and losers.  Not everyone can be winners...sorry but that is real life.

You claim Bancor and Monaco are bad coins...while I don't own both, I disagree with you.  You might end up eating your words a few months from now based on these two alone.

Good projects sometimes tank, bad projects sometimes become hits...it is what it is and if it is easy to predict, everyone will make the right call and NO ONE will make money as they do in crypto world.  It is a double edged sword...cuts both way.  You need losers to win.

I am not at all all knowing. Far from it.

However, as any investment form matures it moves from gambling to seriousness (or dies).

Clearly, most of the hyped ICOs do not have even a chance of making it since they have teams and set ups that are far from good.

Since there is maturation process going on, I want people to be aware of the change in the ICO landscape - and be aware of oversupplied tokens etc.

There are very few real projects out there, and yes they may fail as well, but considering the losses since the altcoin high a while back, people need to adapt.

That is my point.

[blueteam09]

Not all ico will disappoint investors ico what risk it if you get money after investing in ico that is luck but when you lose money you say to all ico is a fraud, but there are many successful and bad ico is also partly due to you when you invest and any ico you should know about it but you should not follow the group on the telegram or facebook and then use your money wisely do not blindly believe in other people

[Poink]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You sound like all knowing.  CRYPTO in general is all speculation (yes even BTC).  It is a form of a gamble and very unpredictable.  In everything, there are winners and losers.  Not everyone can be winners...sorry but that is real life.

You claim Bancor and Monaco are bad coins...while I don't own both, I disagree with you.  You might end up eating your words a few months from now based on these two alone.

Good projects sometimes tank, bad projects sometimes become hits...it is what it is and if it is easy to predict, everyone will make the right call and NO ONE will make money as they do in crypto world.  It is a double edged sword...cuts both way.  You need losers to win.

I am not at all all knowing. Far from it.

However, as any investment form matures it moves from gambling to seriousness (or dies).

Clearly, most of the hyped ICOs do not have even a chance of making it since they have teams and set ups that are far from good.

Since there is maturation process going on, I want people to be aware of the change in the ICO landscape - and be aware of oversupplied tokens etc.

There are very few real projects out there, and yes they may fail as well, but considering the losses since the altcoin high a while back, people need to adapt.

That is my point.

Most of the major loss are due to the numerous BTC forks...not by any means the fault of ICOs.  Most coins suffered tremendously.

This time is a BAD if not THE WORST time frame to use as reference for a coin's performance.  Personally, I bought the biggest losers (out of what I believe are good coins).  Instead of bad mouthing them, I see the big dips as OPPORTUNITIES.  The eventual losers are the ones who panic and sold low.  They are ones who need to learn and adapt.  JMHO

[Poink]

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You sound like all knowing.  CRYPTO in general is all speculation (yes even BTC).  It is a form of a gamble and very unpredictable.  In everything, there are winners and losers.  Not everyone can be winners...sorry but that is real life.

You claim Bancor and Monaco are bad coins...while I don't own both, I disagree with you.  You might end up eating your words a few months from now based on these two alone.

Good projects sometimes tank, bad projects sometimes become hits...it is what it is and if it is easy to predict, everyone will make the right call and NO ONE will make money as they do in crypto world.  It is a double edged sword...cuts both way.  You need losers to win.

I am not at all all knowing. Far from it.

However, as any investment form matures it moves from gambling to seriousness (or dies).

Clearly, most of the hyped ICOs do not have even a chance of making it since they have teams and set ups that are far from good.

Since there is maturation process going on, I want people to be aware of the change in the ICO landscape - and be aware of oversupplied tokens etc.

There are very few real projects out there, and yes they may fail as well, but considering the losses since the altcoin high a while back, people need to adapt.

That is my point.

Most of the major loss are due to the numerous BTC forks...not by any means the fault of ICOs.  Most coins suffered tremendously.

This time is a BAD if not THE WORST time frame to use as reference for a coin's performance.  Personally, I bought the biggest losers (out of what I believe are good coins).  Instead of bad mouthing them, I see the big dips as OPPORTUNITIES.  The eventual losers are the ones who panic and sold low.  They are ones who need to learn and adapt.  JMHO

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

My point is that looking at something like Monaco that went up 600% and found buyers at those levels - and it was assumed such moves were "normal" - they have been practically wiped out. That together with the ICOs that never really had a rally to start with. Clearly it was wrong for many ICOs to raise as much money as they did, and for some to rally as hard as they did.

Now with an even bigger amount of ICOs out there, the percentage of survivals will drop hard - and it is even more vital to choose the right ones.

And the hyped ones have caused the largest losses, by default.

And I completely agree about eventual regulation - right now one needs to choose more wisely oneself.

[rpg]

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

If only 90% ICO is scam so 10% not a scam. If one of 20 ICO you choose to invest will make 20x in some month, you will make good money. So people invest in many different to find than one. It's a normal strategy.

[Poink]

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

If only 90% ICO is scam so 10% not a scam. If one of 20 ICO you choose to invest will make 20x in some month, you will make good money. So people invest in many different to find than one. It's a normal strategy.

Note that I said 90%+ (probably closer to 95%) but yes the strategy is to find that good 5% and make good money.

...and yes, you can buy several and hope one of them take-off.  It is called hedging and diversification.

[Poink]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You sound like all knowing.  CRYPTO in general is all speculation (yes even BTC).  It is a form of a gamble and very unpredictable.  In everything, there are winners and losers.  Not everyone can be winners...sorry but that is real life.

You claim Bancor and Monaco are bad coins...while I don't own both, I disagree with you.  You might end up eating your words a few months from now based on these two alone.

Good projects sometimes tank, bad projects sometimes become hits...it is what it is and if it is easy to predict, everyone will make the right call and NO ONE will make money as they do in crypto world.  It is a double edged sword...cuts both way.  You need losers to win.

I am not at all all knowing. Far from it.

However, as any investment form matures it moves from gambling to seriousness (or dies).

Clearly, most of the hyped ICOs do not have even a chance of making it since they have teams and set ups that are far from good.

Since there is maturation process going on, I want people to be aware of the change in the ICO landscape - and be aware of oversupplied tokens etc.

There are very few real projects out there, and yes they may fail as well, but considering the losses since the altcoin high a while back, people need to adapt.

That is my point.

Most of the major loss are due to the numerous BTC forks...not by any means the fault of ICOs.  Most coins suffered tremendously.

This time is a BAD if not THE WORST time frame to use as reference for a coin's performance.  Personally, I bought the biggest losers (out of what I believe are good coins).  Instead of bad mouthing them, I see the big dips as OPPORTUNITIES.  The eventual losers are the ones who panic and sold low.  They are ones who need to learn and adapt.  JMHO

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

My point is that looking at something like Monaco that went up 600% and found buyers at those levels - and it was assumed such moves were "normal" - they have been practically wiped out. That together with the ICOs that never really had a rally to start with. Clearly it was wrong for many ICOs to raise as much money as they did, and for some to rally as hard as they did.

Now with an even bigger amount of ICOs out there, the percentage of survivals will drop hard - and it is even more vital to choose the right ones.

And the hyped ones have caused the largest losses, by default.

And I completely agree about eventual regulation - right now one needs to choose more wisely oneself.

Aren't you contradicting your original post with this?   

[Hughcrypto]

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

If only 90% ICO is scam so 10% not a scam. If one of 20 ICO you choose to invest will make 20x in some month, you will make good money. So people invest in many different to find than one. It's a normal strategy.

[/quote]

Note that I said 90%+ (probably closer to 95%) but yes the strategy is to find that good 5% and make good money.
[/quote]

Yes it has been so far. I just think the earnings expectations will have to fall as the market matures. Question is if the amount of winners increases to compensate.

[Hughcrypto]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You sound like all knowing.  CRYPTO in general is all speculation (yes even BTC).  It is a form of a gamble and very unpredictable.  In everything, there are winners and losers.  Not everyone can be winners...sorry but that is real life.

You claim Bancor and Monaco are bad coins...while I don't own both, I disagree with you.  You might end up eating your words a few months from now based on these two alone.

Good projects sometimes tank, bad projects sometimes become hits...it is what it is and if it is easy to predict, everyone will make the right call and NO ONE will make money as they do in crypto world.  It is a double edged sword...cuts both way.  You need losers to win.

I am not at all all knowing. Far from it.

However, as any investment form matures it moves from gambling to seriousness (or dies).

Clearly, most of the hyped ICOs do not have even a chance of making it since they have teams and set ups that are far from good.

Since there is maturation process going on, I want people to be aware of the change in the ICO landscape - and be aware of oversupplied tokens etc.

There are very few real projects out there, and yes they may fail as well, but considering the losses since the altcoin high a while back, people need to adapt.

That is my point.

Most of the major loss are due to the numerous BTC forks...not by any means the fault of ICOs.  Most coins suffered tremendously.

This time is a BAD if not THE WORST time frame to use as reference for a coin's performance.  Personally, I bought the biggest losers (out of what I believe are good coins).  Instead of bad mouthing them, I see the big dips as OPPORTUNITIES.  The eventual losers are the ones who panic and sold low.  They are ones who need to learn and adapt.  JMHO

BTW, for the record, I am a proponents of ICO regulation because I believe that 90%+ of current ICOs are scams.

My point is that looking at something like Monaco that went up 600% and found buyers at those levels - and it was assumed such moves were "normal" - they have been practically wiped out. That together with the ICOs that never really had a rally to start with. Clearly it was wrong for many ICOs to raise as much money as they did, and for some to rally as hard as they did.

Now with an even bigger amount of ICOs out there, the percentage of survivals will drop hard - and it is even more vital to choose the right ones.

And the hyped ones have caused the largest losses, by default.

And I completely agree about eventual regulation - right now one needs to choose more wisely oneself.

Aren't you contradicting your original post with this?   

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

[Poink]

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

I agree with you. But as I said earlier...you need losers to have winners.

"A sucker is born every minute." -- it is famous saying for a reason.  Had been, will always be...and there is nothing we can do about it.

BTW, I am a sucker too sometimes...I am human so not fool proof.

[Hughcrypto]

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

I agree with you. But as I said earlier...you need losers to have winners.

"A sucker is born every minute." -- it is famous saying for a reason.  Had been, will always be...and there is nothing we can do about it.

BTW, I am a sucker too sometimes...I am human so not fool proof.

BTW - I only get upset because of having been a sucker in the past too many times !

[Poink]

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

I agree with you. But as I said earlier...you need losers to have winners.

"A sucker is born every minute." -- it is famous saying for a reason.  Had been, will always be...and there is nothing we can do about it.

BTW, I am a sucker too sometimes...I am human so not fool proof.

BTW - I only get upset because of having been a sucker in the past too many times !

It is the nature of the game.

Experience is the best teacher...just don't keep repeating same mistake

[Hughcrypto]

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

I agree with you. But as I said earlier...you need losers to have winners.

"A sucker is born every minute." -- it is famous saying for a reason.  Had been, will always be...and there is nothing we can do about it.

BTW, I am a sucker too sometimes...I am human so not fool proof.

BTW - I only get upset because of having been a sucker in the past too many times !

It is the nature of the game.

Experience is the best teacher...just don't keep repeating same mistake

Exactly.

[KingScorpio]

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

I agree with you. But as I said earlier...you need losers to have winners.

"A sucker is born every minute." -- it is famous saying for a reason.  Had been, will always be...and there is nothing we can do about it.

BTW, I am a sucker too sometimes...I am human so not fool proof.

BTW - I only get upset because of having been a sucker in the past too many times !

It is the nature of the game.

Experience is the best teacher...just don't keep repeating same mistake

experience is a teacher but not the best one

regards

[max6575]

as having with the personal customs of basics with ideal preference, investors might wants to work with decision as expending as most with the use of resource to gains of collection of returns with the expends of exchange.

[lunafreya]

Participate in ICO always a risk but ı think people don't do enough research about ICO before investment. Of course all ICOs have not a potential.

[Hughcrypto]

Participate in ICO always a risk but ı think people don't do enough research about ICO before investment. Of course all ICOs have not a potential.

That is one of my points - people get tricked into investing due to hype, and not because of underlying quality.

[xKARELx]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

Most often, due to their unpredictability and because of a great desire to quickly have round sums on their accounts

[md.falkone]

because people don't understand, lazy to learn and investigate to digging, and it turns out that invested and has lost the finance, especially now there are a lot of swindlers if you have decided to invest, you aren't lazy to check the company and will be you are fine

[dmamigo]

because people don't understand, lazy to learn and investigate to digging, and it turns out that invested and has lost the finance, especially now there are a lot of swindlers if you have decided to invest, you aren't lazy to check the company and will be you are fine

Mostly this is the case as you mentioned, I agree because as a beginner or newbie to this market, I myself was doing the same and loosing money.
Its rare but there are ICO frauds who don't leave any proof of it being fraud. But that's very rare enough so mostly negligence and casual approach while investing is the cause of loss over ICOs

[romeo111]

Yes many people lose money in scam ICOs
Investing in ICO is risky. because many projects are scam. so i think, first you research white paper and check about team member at the project. then you decide Participate in ICO or not.

[KingScorpio]

Yes many people lose money in scam ICOs
Investing in ICO is risky. because many projects are scam. so i think, first you research white paper and check about team member at the project. then you decide Participate in ICO or not.

jes it is risky but the great is bigger than the mind, and the hopes are bigger than the reason so people invest into risky "promising" icos

not in stable and secure ones,

[1kings]

Not at all - my point is that the past is the past - when there were fewer ICOs in the original hype - some people THAT SOLD made some returns, but for every seller post ICO, there is a buyer ´- so altogether huge losses have been made. The earnings were "luck" since almost EVERYTHING rallied, since then at least 90% are and have been failing.

Even bad projects "back then" made some short term gains - NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that people invest differently - hence my point is that people have to shun the rubbish and foget the hyped projects and change outlook.

I agree with you. But as I said earlier...you need losers to have winners.

"A sucker is born every minute." -- it is famous saying for a reason.  Had been, will always be...and there is nothing we can do about it.

BTW, I am a sucker too sometimes...I am human so not fool proof.

BTW - I only get upset because of having been a sucker in the past too many times !

It is the nature of the game.

Experience is the best teacher...just don't keep repeating same mistake

experience is a teacher but not the best one

regards

sometimes, the whitepaper and their pages pull wools over investors' eyes (wannabes actually) and they fall for the wrong ones.

As you said, experience is the best teacher but the lessons are often expensive.

[Poink]

sometimes, the whitepaper and their pages pull wools over investors' eyes (wannabes actually) and they fall for the wrong ones.

As you said, experience is the best teacher but the lessons are often expensive.

Consider it as "tuition fee"

I paid mine and taking required  "continuing education" classes it seems. LOL

[btcjoin14]

sometimes, the whitepaper and their pages pull wools over investors' eyes (wannabes actually) and they fall for the wrong ones.

As you said, experience is the best teacher but the lessons are often expensive.

Consider it as "tuition fee"

I paid mine and taking required  "continuing education" classes it seems. LOL

I would consider it as a nice way to lose a bunch of Bitcoins. Why should I invest in that when I can make the same amount of money with Bitcoin?

[Poink]

sometimes, the whitepaper and their pages pull wools over investors' eyes (wannabes actually) and they fall for the wrong ones.

As you said, experience is the best teacher but the lessons are often expensive.

Consider it as "tuition fee"

I paid mine and taking required  "continuing education" classes it seems. LOL

I would consider it as a nice way to lose a bunch of Bitcoins. Why should I invest in that when I can make the same amount of money with Bitcoin?

To each his own.  Bitcoin is great but it is not for everyone...especially those who are new and with lower capital.  There are more opportunities in alts.  Sure it is riskier but more fun too!

[Bay_Harbour_Butcher]

I think the biggest reason why many people invest their money into the wrong ico project, and ultimately lose their money is because they are tempted by too high a bonus in investing an ico project

[dragons_are_secure]

In my opinion the changes are already rapidly underway -- more institutional investors, VCs starting to look seriously, etc.  In that regard, I'm surprised that Coinlist hasn't come up yet in the discussion:

https://coinlist.co/

It feels to me like this route to screening is where the ICO market is headed.  How many on this list also invested in Filecoin or looked at their pre-ICO?

https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/10/filecoins-ico-opens-today-for-accredited-investors-after-raising-52m-from-advisers/

My own suspicion is that those that want to maximize their gains are going to be looking very closely at these pre-ICO offerings.

[ohmyfunsite]

 

I think the biggest reason why many people invest their money into the wrong ico project, and ultimately lose their money is because they are tempted by too high a bonus in investing an ico project

I agree! So true.

[ukboss]

When any company start ICO and no one can told that which company will be success. So people invest his money and lose his money if ico not success. My thinking is when any new company start his ICO we must check before invest to which is Team member with those company if team leader is active and he is promote her company very well then he can got a best result and must be success his ICO. so we must analysis then invest money if every person do that hope no one can lose his money.

[dragons_are_secure]

I also start to wonder about whether some ICOs -- independent of their whitepapers, team and hype -- are addressing markets that will take many years for them to have an impact, vs other ICOs that have been careful to choose an area of technology/life where their impact can be more immediate.

In that regard, Filecoin strikes me as a good example, they almost immediately have a market, they have little direct competition.  

In reading through Prosume and thinking about their market, at least for an eventual launch in the US, it strikes me that they will run up against a very large number of entrenched interests.  The major power companies are not going to want to give up their market-share.  Consumers are 'educated' to believe that they have to stay with their name brand energy companies.  So, this might limit the initial market. It doesn't say anything about the longer term, but it does mean that anyone investing in an energy distribution company, at least within the US market, would most likely have to be viewing this as a very long term market play.  I do realize that the initial market is EU, and I admit to knowing less about energy distribution and the market forces for the EU system.  Also, noting a very nicely put together web-page, set of white-papers and a powerful team that has been assembled.

Please, don't take this as being negative about Prosume, or its prospects, only trying to help illustrate some of the thinking that I believe is obvious for evaluating an investment (short-term, long-term, difficulty of market, etc).  In that regard, I'm trying to hew to the original post on this thread and how ICOs should/could be evaluated.

Obviously just my opinion -- --

[Ares0211]

simple math,.. like start ups, most of ico projects fail. So when 8 of 10 are failing but every project have collected money... most of investors loose their money. So: just invest small amounts and spread them over different projects wich you have chosen carefully.

[maianh09]

It is the ignorance of investors that they only see what ico advertises. If there are articles analyzing the fraud ico is quite good for them now I have not found the same topic but they hope in the future it will appear and it will help the less investors ro when investing in ico

[ujjwalsethi]

Actually it happens with those people who don't know in which ICO to invest as they have just started there investment plans. They don't even get some information about ICOs before investment. Most of the times it happens with the beginners. So according to me one should be aware of the market value of ICOs before investment.

[btc-facebook]

That's why I suggest before try to invest ICO, check out their feedback and trust usually it can be found on forum or other social media.

For example https://www.pundix.com/ we can see this project looks promosing but you just to make it sure by visiting their discussion about this project
Preventation is better than a cure , isn't it ?

[sandos]

I think most people invest in wrong ICOs because they lack information. They can't find any information except information from the devs. And investors have to trust them.

[redhondaxrm125]

Well, that is easy to say for people who have already a lot of knowledge and experiences here in the forum with shitty amd scam ICOs. But the sad truth is that not all of us here are already knowledgable and experienced enough to differentiate or categorize good ICOs from the bad ones.

That being said, shitty and scam ICOs popping out of nowhere will never be stopped because there will always he a lot of newbie investors to scam. The only thing we can do is spread as much knowledge as we can to everyone in the community to prevent these scumbags from fooling a lot of people to fill their own pockets.

[Willful_Grok]

frankly, the whitepapers may show a good "idea", but without a full business plan and assessment of the competitive space, regardless of the technology used, it's very hard to tell which companies will really succeed.  hence, many bad ICOs.

[Opnsrc]

They lose investing into wrong ICO or scam project because they hurry up to earn. The more info you get about the new ICO Ц the less chances you have to be deceived. Avoid ICO that do not have whitepaper and stay away from fishing sites.

[Triload]

ICO itself is risky investment, you have most chance to lose your money, about 90% projects will die like Vitalik Beterin said. So it is obvious that you can't make the money by ICOs unless you invest in good ones.

[rpg]

If somebody lose money, the others get it. If someone want to get big money a lot of newbie should lose a little. ICO is lottery and more you investigate new projects more chance you have to get your reward.
So who don't try don't win.

[giga_999]

What I saw since I am into the ICOs is that investors are not studying or researching the projects profoundly. For me in general most important is the concept of a project and what the project is backed with.
For example, Crowdholding is a project with a great concept of co-creation backed by the Fintech startups pledging the future revenue back to the crowdholding's ecosystem. which makes a project solid

[dx_twisted]

They do invest because they do believe in the project or became interested in it. Otherwise, they'll ignore it and move into an ICO that fits their interest. Others invest and hope one day that luck will be on their side to gain profit. I don't really see an ICO nowadays who has truly potential, unlike before where ICO's has really their own purpose. I was glad that I benefited from these kind of ICO's (won't name them) but I did really gained some profit in it. I do hope one day devs will change how the game was being played today and become more strict in choosing participants especially in airdrops where will it create such hype and be dead at the end.

[UAE Seasider]

Investing in ICO now is pretty high risk if you are hoping for a quick return, I haven't seen many ICO recently that you cannot purchase coins cheaper after it finished

[rpg]

Investing in ICO now is pretty high risk if you are hoping for a quick return, I haven't seen many ICO recently that you cannot purchase coins cheaper after it finished

You don't need many. We need only to choose 2-10 best ICOs each month, and if one of them will fly high it will be super, even if 9 will be a SCAM

[Snaic]

When choosing an ICO for investment, it is difficult to choose one that does not contain the possibility of fraud. Now the team can be professional enough, and technical documents are in order, and the idea of ​​the project is good, and in the end, all this can be fraud. Therefore, investors suffer. In order to minimize risks, there should still be government regulation of the ICO.

[imtav]

I think there's maybe a dozen ICOs within the year that will show promise.  Everyone and their grandmas are starting ICOs these days.  You don't buy every piece of crap sold on the shopping channel, so why do people do it with ICO?  A fool and their money are easily parted...

[honeyduckgoose]

The issue is the amount of ICO's that are popping up all over the place and diluting good projects.

Research is the key here. Just like any investment knowing the business, the industry and where they are going is vital. Here are a few things i look for in an ICO

- Strong team - Both in development team and also the CEO's / marketing (no point having a great team to create something, if nobody can advertsie it and push the startup in the right direction.
- Realistic vision - not aiming too high or if they do not reach their target everyone who invested will be disappointed
- Solid whitepaper - Well thought out, shows realistic goals, a strong good vision and a plan of action
- Strong social media presence - A social media that shows they are connected with everyone
- Good customer support - Shows they care, and they have invested time and money into making sure the average investor can ask questions
- Good website - A business who is willing to throw time and effort into a good website are less likely to be a scam
- finite supply - ICO's with no cap can be dangerous and can simply just damage their own coin by releasing more for more investment.
-Market they are getting involved with - Is this a new market? or a dying one? who controls the market?

Also here is an interesting article comparing ICO's with a working product vs a vision.

https://medium.com/@crowdholding/mvps-pocs-and-ideas-which-icos-should-i-better-invest-in-and-which-will-let-me-down-369bf1ffae2

Hope this helps and happy investing!

[MarioLuck990]

It is true! Most people buy whatever, I think they don't even study what are buying the most. I personally hold my money and invest only to very good projects and teams, I never lost money, I always have good returns.

[Zendalet]

I also start to wonder about whether some ICOs -- independent of their whitepapers, team and hype -- are addressing markets that will take many years for them to have an impact, vs other ICOs that have been careful to choose an area of technology/life where their impact can be more immediate.

In that regard, Filecoin strikes me as a good example, they almost immediately have a market, they have little direct competition. 

In reading through Prosume and thinking about their market, at least for an eventual launch in the US, it strikes me that they will run up against a very large number of entrenched interests.  The major power companies are not going to want to give up their market-share.  Consumers are 'educated' to believe that they have to stay with their name brand energy companies.  So, this might limit the initial market. It doesn't say anything about the longer term, but it does mean that anyone investing in an energy distribution company, at least within the US market, would most likely have to be viewing this as a very long term market play.  I do realize that the initial market is EU, and I admit to knowing less about energy distribution and the market forces for the EU system.  Also, noting a very nicely put together web-page, set of white-papers and a powerful team that has been assembled.

Please, don't take this as being negative about Prosume, or its prospects, only trying to help illustrate some of the thinking that I believe is obvious for evaluating an investment (short-term, long-term, difficulty of market, etc).  In that regard, I'm trying to hew to the original post on this thread and how ICOs should/could be evaluated.

Obviously just my opinion -- --

I agree with you about green energy projects. I get that the current hype is saving the world through blockchain based sustainable energy projects, but if you consider investing in such a project you should first ask yourself why the energy market is what it is the last couple of decades and how throwing a blockchain against that is supposed to solve one of mankind's most difficult problems.

[XbladeX]

People like to gamble 

Because all investments in kryptoland are big "?" and random gamble.
Many skams is pumped because their whales are pumping  giveing some news then DUMPING hard.
In ICO today is 50% chance tha tyou wil lose money best time in investing ICO is over now skams wont go x10 for whitepaper.

[Iamlegit4sure]

people lose money because it is impossible to predict the market. simple as that!

[Fancyax]

Before investing in ICOs you have to do your own search and analyses and fix the time you want to hold.
Unfortunately many ICOs represents good projects but cannot be related to blockchain.

[sirenmoon]

People are taking a risk. Most of the people are following the other people, reading wrong reviews and trusting to the promising plans of the devs. Some projects made highs promises and when ICO  came to an end people realized it was bad investing. Same is going now with plenty of ICOs around. People gamble with their money and are expecting easy money. Everyone wants the money without needing to work for it and they are seeing that money in ICOs in which half of them are the bad investment.

[Reez]

Most people think they are going to become rich because of the marketing campaigns these ICO coins run. They get all hyped up and then people just sell them shortly after they hit the market like a classic pump and dump scheme. The developers of these ICOs do this to make money and it's well known as it happens all the time and it's talked about all the time.

[dragons_are_secure]

one estimate, via CNBC is that only 8% of 26,000 blockchain projects are still active:

 https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/09/just-8-percent-of-open-source-blockchain-projects-are-still-active.html

[gorodi]

These people are in a great hurry. Probably their excitement plays a bad joke with them. You know that still many guys believe advertisement and buy the things that call later trash.

The same with ICO: use your head and spend time to investigate the ICO project, and no one will call you a loser.

[dragons_are_secure]

going back to the original lead on this thread, I find the Australian Government's investment in Energy blockchain to be interesting:
 
 https://www.coindesk.com/australian-government-grants-8-million-for-blockchain-energy-pilot/

any connections, that Bitcoin forum members know about, between this effort and other energy related ICOs that the OP had mentioned?

[Haunebu]

Investing in ICO now is pretty high risk if you are hoping for a quick return, I haven't seen many ICO recently that you cannot purchase coins cheaper after it finished

You don't need many. We need only to choose 2-10 best ICOs each month, and if one of them will fly high it will be super, even if 9 will be a SCAM

This actually makes sense, but is still a gamble at the end of the day. We are all playing with our own money which we could lose at any point of time since majority of the ICOs are scams. For example, look at Electroneum. I have invested a very small amount into this coin and had good expectations since they reached their hard cap in less than a month. Now, I am not expecting much since they did not fulfill their promises. I am patiently watching them and am neutral about this coin currently. This is the risk with ICOs these days, but even if one takes off as you said, it would all be worth it.

[PORN_coin]

now the Crypto currency is an incredible trend and much unfortunately on this wave having only the idea of enriching and doing nothing more fulfill their plans
while doing harm to the community and projects that want and can do incredibly positive things

[Probablylikely]

That is why we should always do our due diligence before investing in any ICO projects. 1st of all, choosing a strong project team to begin with will definitely lead you to a higher success rate.
Carefully examine the project. Read the information on the project's website, check out the team and the advisors, and read up on their ba :-*ckgrounds.
If there are outside investors involved, see who they are. A big VC fund might indicate a project with a higher chance of success.
Check out the project's social channels and blogs: Are they updated frequently? Are they run professionally?
Read the project's whitepaper; if it's too technical, find an expert's evaluation or ask one to evaluate it.
Does the team already have a working product? Perhaps in beta or alpha stage? If possible, try it out. A solid working product, or at least a proof of concept, might mean the team is serious and potentially already ahead of their competitors in the space.
Carefully examine the ICO terms and conditions: Has there been a large pre-sale discount? Is the total market cap and the amount of funds being collected realistic and reasonable? For example, a company making a decentralized calendar app probably does not mean half a billion dollars in funding.
What's the project roadmap like? Does it appear realistic, or is it just a wish list?
What's the team's plan for spending those ICO funds moving forward?
See what social channels are saying. Check Slack, Reddit, Telegram, and more, but be wary that there will be lots of unreasonable shilling for the project, as well as just plain clueless comments. Use common sense; if something feels off, stay away from it.
Never invest more than you're prepared to lose. And when investing in ICOs, understand that this is the riskiest possible type of investing.

[KingScorpio]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

scam icos are structural better at marketing than serious icos, they dont have to work economically with the funds, so people simply invest into the scam icos because they are marketing themselves more appealing

you guys will have to live with that.

[crimsongoth]

I think the most important reason for this is that they can hang on the back of this wind because they can easily be rich on the path. I have not invested in ico projects so far.Both they sounded unbelievable to me and they wasn't physically revealing a real product. But lately I can say that I'm starting to get really strong projects.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

To be honest the only explanation to this is the wrong coins or scammy projects are usually the loudest as they offer returns which are to good to be true or the simply have whales on speed dial to support them....All in all its time for deserving projects to bring the A game and convince people why they should be the best thing for the market.

[Plomb]

Well if you got some good marketing almost every project can get some pump these days

[Fizpok]

Because there is more or less fixed number of fiat in the world. For some coins to go 100x up, 100 times more have to go 1x down.

[Sarastiche]

Alot  of ICO coming up daily, these calls for caution from all investor, more research work has to be done in other to have a profitable investment.

[energycom]

I think the most important reason for this is that they can hang on the back of this wind because they can easily be rich on the path. I have not invested in ico projects so far.Both they sounded unbelievable to me and they wasn't physically revealing a real product. But lately I can say that I'm starting to get really strong projects.

Before their investment they're getting tricked by hype makers. They think one projects is awesome but then they see it's actually a fault. Then they start making weird decissions after they see that bad result.

[SimontheRavager]

ICOs were a nice wild west game in the summer of this year. I also invested in some for sure, but has anyone ever though or asked about the legal consquences?

Ever though about Harvey Test?

So read this first before doing an ICO: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6GBthMmP7QPSjhwNVpyZWZLNHc/view

All ICOs are in fact securities, so they will have to give their money back if the SEC knocks on your door. They will for sure knock on your door.

Coz else they US and any other state would loose a lot of possible tax money as profits or prices or value of the coins rise.

So be aware.  

[SwiftDonut]

It seems like OP has some special magical crystal ball and knows exactly which are the right ICOs to invest. Maybe he should help others and tell them where he gets his information instead of being gleeful!

[flatnose101]

To be honest the only explanation to this is the wrong coins or scammy projects are usually the loudest as they offer returns which are to good to be true or the simply have whales on speed dial to support them....All in all its time for deserving projects to bring the A game and convince people why they should be the best thing for the market.

specially on how they make a project the content of it how they it will look like to believe some people to invest with for, and yes some scammy coins are involved also so before you go make some research and study for it.

[djselery]

I think the first reason that guide people to this mistake is not getting enough time to make their careful researchs about this projects before investing. Many people treat ICOs like gambling and think that it depends only in lucj which is wrong idea.

[RADTEAM]

ICOs were a nice wild west game in the summer of this year. I also invested in some for sure, but has anyone ever though or asked about the legal consquences?

Ever though about Harvey Test?

So read this first before doing an ICO: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6GBthMmP7QPSjhwNVpyZWZLNHc/view

All ICOs are in fact securities, so they will have to give their money back if the SEC knocks on your door. They will for sure knock on your door.

Coz else they US and any other state would loose a lot of possible tax money as profits or prices or value of the coins rise.

So be aware.  

Howey test
And if it will make you feel better, SEC will not knock on your door as an investor, but it will get a hold on the company and team, that is doing the ICO and ask them kindly to refund all investors and pay fines on top. And I suspect at this stage 90% of ICO teams will choose to put a blame on the government and just run with the money. Sad, but it happened in the past.

[danherbias07]

Lack of knowledge or the company doing the iCO is just really good in saying sweet words that gets their services more exciting. But in the end it is all a big fat scam.

First is really knowing where you are stepping at.
Better if it is already a running company though many new ones are also trustworthy.

If it is really a scam without you knowing it then I am just sorry.
Better get another capital because that money is bye bye.

[MT123]

Because most folks are buying into coins that have pie in the sky promises.  It's like saying hey give me 10 million for this product first and then I build it, but wait I'm paying bounties, promotions, and giving friends, families, 'advisors', shillers promotional deals that give them instant % gains compared to ICO prices.  Then a dump occurs because, why not instant profit the 10, 15, 20% you just gained free.

If someone gave you a year salary to work (with no restrictions on actually working or not), would you even work?  No, you'd take the money and travel, pay to speak conferences, submit yourself for pay to win awards, etc.  Maybe slowly dabble in what you wanted to do for the ICO, but have zero accountability.

Most ICO's try the "utility" token route to bypass things, like buying Disney Land Cash with fiat.  You're buying a worthless piece of paper and using it.  If someone came to your house and asked you for $20 bucks for fake pizza cash, you'd slam the door in their face.

Most ICO's today seem to be a drawn out version  of this, and finding the right team that really believes in the stuff they sell is rare.  Not many people driven to change or work after you give them millions and no accountability.  Pair that with everyone trying to "why no moon" after a week, insta red candles.

[go4crypto]

Unfortunately, most people cannot do the serious research required to figure out good
ICOs from bad. So long as there is a big crypto boom going, even pigs will fly. Typically in
later mature stage of the cycle,  the bad projects crash down to reality.

[aggress0r]

Wrong ICO's are overhyped and make false claims and announces to gain easy profit not concentrating on the product itself, so when they gather the cap they have no willing desire to follow the roadmap and develop it, cause it was not the mean of it. More and more project ICO's that have no real application of blockchain technology are coming out of nowhere, because blockchain is a trend.

[Nagrogflaz]

your opinion is not right because people are not likely to participate in the wrong ico if from the beginning they know it, they are just victims

[machinek20]

Not all people losing money in ICO, but it is hard to predict which ICO is good, all the things that we got from ICO is promise and documents, but some ICO is a good ICO, not all people gt scammed by it, you just need to go further in research to know a good ICO

[mudasarali43]

Yes i agree some peoples lose money to invest in wrong ICOs because they have not too much knowledge or some of them new peoples and one thing is some projects showing the project is like a huge project and big platform but actually the reason is not this.

[NickBrown]

No one purposely invests to lose money - unfortunately a rubbish idea can be disguised in marketing and campaigns and hype. Its not enough to just have a good beneficial idea as it is crowded out by hype and marketing.

[bitctrimor1]

it's back to your decision to choose a promising project, you should see the potential for making the project like development team, whitepaper, Conducted campaigns and etc.

It's actually not investing in a wrong ICO per se. Like the above-reply states, you can check several details with regards to the company, developer, and managing team that handles the ICO. By checking their white paper or some testimonials with users who have had experience with any of those entities, you can gain useful knowledge to decide whether a specific ICO would succeed, fail, or it worst cases, a scam altogether.

[WarCruz]

Havent participated in an ICO for long time now, it gets harder and harder to stay up to date. but i like to gamble

[DaWidyaa]

I think people who choose ICO wrong because they do not read the commands listed, they immediately register without reading the command then they invest the wrong ICO.

[Orsenise]

Many of the "investors" are new to the crypto market and new to the finance industry in general. They have heard form a friend of two that there is a lot of potential in the blockchain sector, they heard about mining, about how BTC started and how much it's worth now, and they find this a reason enough to get involved into it. Most of them are looking for quick profits and don't really care about the underlying value of the coin that is being offered during the ICO, they are promised big returns and that is the main reason they are joining these sales. Actually most of the coins are crap and most of the investors are even crappier, so let them keep on losing their money and they'll eventually learn how this works. It's a lot of work to invest in good coins, people have to realize that.

[moamin77]

Because they think it's wise to only follow the folks and the word of mouth without doing their own due diligence exercise for any ICO/Project! That's why many of  them fail (and end up investing in the wrong ICOs)

[swaptaker]

Because they think it's wise to only follow the folks and the word of mouth without doing their own due diligence exercise for any ICO/Project! That's why many of  them fail (and end up investing in the wrong ICOs)

They don't invest to lose money, they invest there because they heard about people who earned a lot from their successful ico investments. That's the thing behind this ico investment idea.

[Rufsilf]

They just  didn't review the ICO first or do some research before putting money so they tend to lose money rather than to earn it from the ICO. ICO projects are great but it doesn't mean that you will always make money because making money takes effort and if you know how to do some research at first and do some little bit of effort and clarifying things then you will not have a high chance to lose money.

[kemet jr]

People is driven to invest. But at times its comparable to gambling when everything is relied upon luck. As unregulated platform, investing in cryptocurrency is like putting investments that you are ready to lose. Nonetheless, risk can be managed and loss can be regulated. Its just a matter of torough investigating the credibility of the developers and the reliability of the project.

[Blazarius120]

It's extremely easy to invest in the wrong ICO.. Theres like 100 bad ICO's for every good one. Though if you can pick the right one you're looking at some serious gains. I'm assuming thats why people keep trying.

[eP]

They just  didn't review the ICO first or do some research before putting money so they tend to lose money rather than to earn it from the ICO. ICO projects are great but it doesn't mean that you will always make money because making money takes effort and if you know how to do some research at first and do some little bit of effort and clarifying things then you will not have a high chance to lose money.

Yeah , i agreed this one, before do investment on ICO , we must make analysis and review about their ICO if you be a big investor , because a lot new investor trying to invest to some ICO for instantly get money when their project success but their never think about the risk , different with smart investor , a good ICO investor always make some analysis and review.
i just guess some ico was reviewed by major magazines like forbes , cointelegraph etc , then i will see their rating on icorating or review on youtube with their ICO dev or manager , this point we cant clarify their seriously with their project and launched ICO for gaining investor and promise the investor about their roadmap and project.

[左]

It's extremely easy to invest in the wrong ICO.. Theres like 100 bad ICO's for every good one. Though if you can pick the right one you're looking at some serious gains. I'm assuming thats why people keep trying.

If you do enough research on the projects you're looking into I think you could avoid most scams.
Of course there's only so much you can do.

[Alexxo]

 You do understand that when they invest they thought it it's the best one.
Look at the tesoz. People invested 400m cos there was some idea that not everyone understand but invested cos
 they had some well known advisers and escrow and in the end of the day there is huge problem there
and a chance that investors will get there money back in a coupple of years.
Problem in ICO thoes days is that if  you have any good tehnological idea for a future that no one
even know will it work or not, all you need is to hire advisers and escrow and y'll collect the money.
 I think that's the main problem and that's why we will get a lot of trouble in ico markets in spring

[Bergiolia]

Some people fail on investing in Altcoins because they do believe some ICOs were like Bitcoin that will increase their value as high as $7k after 5 years but this time isn't the same with Bitcoin's playground. People were investing Bitcoin because the coin supply is limited and too little and most of coin owners are holding it until only few coins are circulating and that's the reason why Bitcoin is very expensive today but people didn't expect like people will support Atlcoins as they do in Bitcoin.
Altcoins have future too I believe but not this time. Like Bitcoin, it will take time people will support Altcoin the same with Bitcoin back 2 years ago.

[Bagaji]

What all the investors expect from their investment is nothing but profit from the turn over of their investment capital and not loss. Why so many people end up invest their money in an ICO projects that will at the end of the day not succeed is that many of them didn't consider the following factors such as the products that is involved in the project, the Team behind the project and the white paper. In my opinion, this are the factors that I usually considered before investing in a project and it works for me over time. 

[anasso]

most of people are loosing money because they are hyped by buzz words like "the first ever", "the fastest", "the most secure", "anonymous" etc...

most of them dont look at white paper, team or roadmap!

[Fatunad]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

You do really have the point but stopping it would really be useless because there are people who do easily got caught with the hype specially when a certain ICO do really make some sweet words regarding on development,future plans blah blah etc. This is one of the reason why do people choose up the wrong projects which this thing cant really be avoided because its always been part of the risk on this kind of investment.
If you do decide to invest then you should know the risk onwards if you hit the wrong spot.

[withche.07]

It is because good icos are very small gems in the huge sea. It is hard to detect one. I am very picky about ico investments, I choose best icos. But I can be still baited easily, human psychology is weak, options are so much.

[Hamilcar]

Most of projects can't be successful in blockchain even if they are good. Nobody is going to pay gold, oil, taxis,.. with tokens. People simply use cash.
In my opinion this could be successful with projects more related to internet and online payment.

[Hannibalis]

People invests in wrong ICOs because of wrong judgement and maybe fooled by the high quality hype. Personnaly i prefer games startups, cryptocurrencies banks and exchanges ICOs.
I find them more related to blockchain technology and they have more chances to succeed.

[BitcoinNational]

They just  didn't review the ICO first or do some research before putting money so they tend to lose money rather than to earn it from the ICO. ICO projects are great but it doesn't mean that you will always make money because making money takes effort and if you know how to do some research at first and do some little bit of effort and clarifying things then you will not have a high chance to lose money.

Yeah , i agreed this one, before do investment on ICO , we must make analysis and review about their ICO if you be a big investor , because a lot new investor trying to invest to some ICO for instantly get money when their project success but their never think about the risk , different with smart investor , a good ICO investor always make some analysis and review.
i just guess some ico was reviewed by major magazines like forbes , cointelegraph etc , then i will see their rating on icorating or review on youtube with their ICO dev or manager , this point we cant clarify their seriously with their project and launched ICO for gaining investor and promise the investor about their roadmap and project.

It's easy to be dazzle by a beautiful website and a good marketing campaign. Even it you look deeper and read the whipe paper, investigate for the team and the roadmap, you can be wrong. It's completely impossible to always invest in goog icos, that's part of the game. (but you can reduce the risk for sure )

[Dodoymabs]

Define wrong ICOs? this actually leads to a good and most appropriate investment. But there will always back to investor, we cannot judge wrong when others maybe say true. And like kryptqnick say people invest is not for losing money. So they must be do their own research before investing.

Because many ICO are very promising and have a really good platform. Investing in ICO is like a gambling because we didn't know will it be successful or not. So taking a risk is part of the game.

[sebinator]

ICOs are always risky. You can loose all your invested money or you can go x5 or more. You need to a really intensive RESEARCH before investing in projects.

[Visuallercoin]

Participate in ICO always a risk but ı think people don't do enough research about ICO before investment. Of course all ICOs have not a potential.

[barlo357]

Because a lot of people lacks information about ICOs. And they tend to risk everything and ends up losing a lot of money. People must do research.

[narukami]

that is true that every ICO may have a big chance to be a scam but we should we know that we need to take risks in order to get what we wanted but you should be careful you see a very big return in token and you join it and you haven't done any research about it and in that way you will be surprise if anything happen bad

[RieL]

everybody makes mistake because we do not know if that certain ICO is a scam or not we are not a guesser that he always guess is right maybe if you done your own research you can sure that this ICO is a profitable or not a scam it is up to the person itself if he join that ICO

[Anchor867]

it is simple as if you do not do your own research you may lose a lot of money lacking is information is very crucial when it come to crypto currency world with out information you can lost a lot of money on that ICO maybe you should done your own research in order to avoid them

[Euroda]

it is very true that ICO is risky because some of the project of the ICO is closed but you should do your own research to make sure that ICO and profitable and lastly i would like to join ICO especially in the summer ICO because a lot of them make good money and not scam

[Specialforce]

why they lost money ? the reason why is  that certain person is greedy due to it huge reward or huge income in return do not be blind by the reward itself because somehow this is the reason why they lost a lot of money do you own research

[RushKing]

there is a lot of reason why they lose money and some of them are huge first of all because all of the ICO is risky you need to invest only that you can lose second they are blinded by the huge amount of income or reward and lastly they are lacking enough information for that ICO too much this is very crucial when it comes to ICO

[Jobbernowl]

This is only a tape measure. ICO can have a good platform, but the market will spit out this coin for no reason at all. Other ICO with empty white paper will receive $ 20 million. And the market will love this bubble for a while. Nobody knows the future. You can not be 100% sure of your profit. I do not know why this happens, but this is the law of market relations.

[Usui-Chan]

I think they lose a lot or some of their investments to the wrong ICO because they do not research on about what they are going to risk their money with. Lack of information on what your ICO is likely to be is a large factor to these failures.

[DAVETUN]

No one ever invest money in ICO to lose money,I feel alot are always move by market speculations and the hype in the social media, Individual reasearch/ review about the ICO is important,Thou risk is part of the rules of  investment, but calculated risk is the way to go.

[turtoro]

They do invest because they do believe in the project or became interested in it. Otherwise, they'll ignore it and move into an ICO that fits their interest. Others invest and hope one day that luck will be on their side to gain profit. I don't really see an ICO nowadays who has truly potential, unlike before where ICO's has really their own purpose. I was glad that I benefited from these kind of ICO's (won't name them) but I did really gained some profit in it. I do hope one day devs will change how the game was being played today and become more strict in choosing participants especially in airdrops where will it create such hype and be dead at the end.

[sgenuine]

Most of guys simply believe well-organized advertisement and empty promises of people. They hurry up to invest into ICO as they are sure — first investors will get more dividends. Do not ever rush here.

[lady-odyvan]

I think most of us tend to make mistakes especially without enough experience and knowledge and unfortunately to many ICO are just scam

[Pab]

Thay follow hype,great idea,hype trolls,nice photos ,not enough research.We really need to double check everything before invest.Maybe ico is not scam even but if product will be ready in few months price will fail
Scamers have his pumpers/dumpers traders ,legit ico's usually not

[mariored89]

There are a lot of ICO that seems to be a very good project but then the hype drops and the price goes down... like monetha or other

[nitrousteam]

Some people are fast in their reactions. They don't think before investing only word profit is flying through their minds. Every ICO has developer team behind it that have written the full description of the project and what will that project bring with the funds they raised. Most of the ICOs are scams and false projects but people invest cause everyone makes each own decisions. Whitepaper and official webpage can tell you a lot about the project even marketing writers with high ranks can tell you a lot and can give you a little hint if the project is worthy of investing. Every ICO is a risk that we must consider to invest in.

[atchoum6760]

Before participating in an ico it is necessary to read the wp to see who is in the team and  study the project.
All the ico are not failures.

[zucpozvonil]

Because none of them want to be actually involved in the project.

All they want is to flip it as soon as they can with 10x gain.

[thinkpad99]

Some people are fast in their reactions. They don't think before investing only word profit is flying through their minds. Every ICO has developer team behind it that have written the full description of the project and what will that project bring with the funds they raised. Most of the ICOs are scams and false projects but people invest cause everyone makes each own decisions. Whitepaper and official webpage can tell you a lot about the project even marketing writers with high ranks can tell you a lot and can give you a little hint if the project is worthy of investing. Every ICO is a risk that we must consider to invest in.

Surely a lot of people lost money. This is due to poor financial management or poor portfolio security. You also need to be able to handle coins and respect them. It's not that easy.

[Koioss]

Many people are investing without research. They are wrong for this reason. There are too many Ico's, they need to be considered and evaluated.
I think we should be patient and take firm steps forward

[MCVXYZ]

People buy everything rushly,All of them are looking  to increase their  capital as fast as possible.Those who have got money by bitcoin, invested in Ethereum and those who have got  from ETH in  ICO and  they hope, that they will  have a similar rapid growth,but in my opinion People will realize that startups can not fullfill their promises,despite this All of them are not wrong,because we can really earn money from it,first of all we must need to be careful and choose it on the basis of correct analysis.people don't think before investing Because the desire to enrich is very high wich is a hindering factor of our business.

[yanesna3]

Before participating in an ico it is necessary to read the wp to see who is in the team and  study the project.
All the ico are not failures.

Unfortunately, not always a detailed study of the description of the project and the team can save us from investing in bad ICO. Now very often after the fundraising, even an experienced team can slow down the development of the project.

[Hamzahaddane]

because there are some ico give investor great profits,so many people think any ico will be same and give them money! But investing in ICO now is pretty high risk if you are hoping for a quick return, I haven't seen many ICO recently that you cannot purchase coins cheaper after it finished

[Vicky22]

This crypto world is new and is evolving, so we need to know what are the parameters one must look for before investing.

[pedropendukot]

Because they are stupid not researching before joining,you need to atleast search the existing product of the ICO,the team and the long and short term plans.

[Duzenn]

Because most people see only the great rewards of the ICO, they do not know long-term investments. Even if it is a good project, they will not hold for long periods of time. Even if the prices are low, they will be sold immediately.

[mariangpalad]

They are blinded by the sweet talks,most of the investors dont want to do serious researching before investing and they will end up crying.

[suncokreten]

People often get caught in hype and invest into projects they didn't do research on at all.

99% of people don't even read the whitepaper at all, and 50% of investors don't know what is the purpose of that particular ICO or token itself.

I don't feel sorry for whoever invests into projects with $50m or more hard cap, and then complain how it's trading under ICO price. How do you expect a project without a product but just an idea to trade at over $50m?

[CryptoX006]

People are driven by greed, so they make bad calls like whether they should invest in an ICO and if they do how much and how long they will hold. These are emotional persons and they should stay away from ICO's.

[radokan]

Someone heard investing in ico could bring huge profit and they are ignoring all other things white paper, team behind project and all bad signs that ico could be scam. There is no other explanation.  You can also ask the same question why people are investing in ponzi? Because they are ignorant.

[sleblanc1469]

People want to invest in everything, in the hope that 9 projects will fail, but 10 will shoot so that the income from it will cover all the losses from the first nine.

[hi.color]

Blind investment
Trend of interest
Crazy behavior

[Bastime]

Due to lack of research before investing an ICO will most likely loosing money and most ICOs today are dying or the proce are laying low in the ground for a long time. Some of investors were terribly promised huge profit in return without even knowing the core team and the management personally and those reasons will happen again and again because ICO scammers are using different kinds of strategies to swindle investors using ICOs.

[ololajulo]

Because none of them want to be actually involved in the project.

All they want is to flip it as soon as they can with 10x gain.

I don't blame investors doing this, all the idea on reliable ICO do not look the way it was. Holding bitcoin is more reliable now than most bitcoin. For any good any good pump take your bitcoin and run.Have seen good white papers that the project didn't thrive. The crytorelated project are doing well as those in business. Populous always surprises me, it was one of my least expected project to be thriving.

[Bastime]

Blind investment
Trend of interest
Crazy behavior

If I were them I would choose Bitcoin or Top Altcoins to invest because they are increasing day after day and week after week. Hard earned money must be invested into 99% of profits not for just a lucky one.

[illiki23]

Because most ICOs lose money currently. We are at a pretty strained point when it comes to ICOs.   People are just investing in what is available.

Greed doesn't help.  Some people will invest regardless if there is enough benefit offered despite the red flags.

[Bastime]

Because none of them want to be actually involved in the project.

All they want is to flip it as soon as they can with 10x gain.

I don't blame investors doing this, all the idea on reliable ICO do not look the way it was. Have seen good white papers that the project didn't thrive. The crytorelated project are doing well as those in business. Populous always surprises me, it was one of my least expected project to be thriving.

Indeed, I think investors are making their part and efforts to research and will personally communicate with the core management but the real problem is the company itself and they're just like advertise their ICOs to attract more investors and then they'll vanish after they had collected more from investors. This issue is very bad due to investors cannot chase the company because ICOs were not regulated since the beginning.

[zaenulvaro]

they are want to be rich in few days

[Bastime]

Because most ICOs lose money currently. We are at a pretty strained point when it comes to ICOs.   People are just investing in what is available.

Greed doesn't help.  Some people will invest regardless if there is enough benefit offered despite the red flags.

ICOs were not regulated since the beginning that's why good and scumbag companies can make any Cryptocurrency or any projects as they want and spotting scam ICOs is very hard since you have to do bloody research technically. That's why some ICOs are dying and and some of them were vanished out of the blue.
So investors will be pissed off since they couldn't do anything to get their investment back.

[Qpeep]

Well, even though it is true there are a few crappy ICOs out there, I would't put Bancor in that group. Give it some time to deliver their full product.

[patimahsunda]

Everyone has their own technique to research ico project. I myself have never joined the ico project. because it has risks. I also do not understand which ico is best for me invest.

[fasdorcas]

Havent participated in an ICO for long time now, it gets harder and harder to stay up to date. but i like to gamble

Gambling is quite a different thing and there is no possible way that you can actually do gambling or anything like that and that too in ICOs.

In my opinion, the most common reason which is resulting in loss of most of the investors is none other than the lack of knowledge, in fact the knowledge about the things at the very present day. They lack to have sufficient amount of knowledge and they basically don’t know what all is going around, due to which they suffer.

[fourpiece]

You can never remove the risk when you invest it is already part of it. Even i thought that i invested in a promising ico but i was wrong i only lost my money.

[DaveWave]

You can never remove the risk when you invest it is already part of it. Even i thought that i invested in a promising ico but i was wrong i only lost my money.

No matter how promising and good is it, once bitcoin will make a big increase that means most altcoins will get rekt unless there is a solid news on that coin. If you are confident on it you will continue to hold, or try averaging it down or you make a cut loss if you think it will go down deeper and buy it back again when it's already very low. In terms of bitcoin I am proud to say I only lost once in an ICO. I did wait for few weeks/months on others to make my exit fruitful. 

[magiccarpett]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

because of marketing.they fall in marketing traps.

[Quinni]

The reason is simple, because investment ico is a copycat investment, oneself have not studied the ico project at all, now many ico project is the swindler project, most is the money that swindled the investor.

[handy_hotdog]

People are throwing money into Crypto because they are looking for a get rich quick scheme. They are seeing what Bitcoin has become and they want to be a part of that.

Sadly it is down to the projects and the investors to not overload the ecosystem with poor products / poor investments.

I think once regulations come in (which will at some point) then it will change. But it will not change when we see ICO's raising hundreds of millions even without a working product.

[Greenrace]

I think the main purpose of people following ico is not to follow the garbage project as you mentioned but they definitely want to make a profit, because wrong choice alone they become losers and believe the future will be more careful again

[12retepnat34]

Because people believe on that ICO to success that's why they invest on it but lose money instead! in any investment there is a risk so we should research first the background of every ICO before trusting it.

[bribed]

This board amazes me sometimes.

All the hyped ICOs are killing people - Bancor, Monaco etc and there is no self reflection.

People need to change the way they participate in projects.

All the rubbish needs to be shunned.

Sectors need to be chosen carefully, and projects thereafter.

REAL energy projects (i.e. NOT asset managers such as wepower, and NOT the pure solar/other renewable energy investment rubbish where crypto is just "added" to the process as a marketing tool) should be favoured, such as Grid+ and Prosume Energy.

Stop following people who have proven themselves useless.

Wonder what you think now, as the forum is really overwhelmed by ICO scams and there are more stupid investment possibilities than ever. Definitely agree 100% with you, there are those guidelines regarding ICO's everybody should know about imho: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2243157.0

[vltnqefi]

Risks are yes, ico is not a risk-free investment, so careful selection of qualified ico projects becomes even more important. However, the success ico, the rate of return is very high.

[kingvirtus09]

because they we're convince by their refferral, hyping that this will be their income in the coming weeks. most of the ICO's are real and has real use cases in a blockchain.

[yonjitsu]

This always happens all the time since most of us invests in ICO without even thinking or researching about the ICO. Some ICOs offer a very promising project only to deceive people to fall from their scam tactics. If we only just be vigilant and make an in-depth investigation of the team before investing, that will really help not to invest in a scam ICO and lose money, IMO.

[uztre29]

They are losing money because they are just joining an ICO without studying it first. Not because that ICO has a high hype-score means your money is guaranteed to multiply. The one they should look for is the risk-score. It's better to check the development team behind that project and the whitepaper.

[Irvinn]

Investments in the wrong ICO are, in my opinion, due to the fact that recently it has become increasingly difficult to distinguish promising ICO projects from useless ones. All of them are almost the same type and promise good profits from the implementation of the proposed projects in a seemingly professional team. At first everything is going well, but from the second half of the fundraising starts problems, as a result, we are already beginning to feel that something is amiss with ICO.

[TheKeyLongThumbI]

Lack of knowledge is the number one thing that always make them lose their money. Another thing is the fear of missing out which always drive people to go all in and thinking to theirselves that nothing could go wrong because everyone is on it.

[hiwainmoto]

Because people intend to invest into somethign they are not familiar of,the ending is not good  waste of time and money.Research is the key to success,know all the pros and cons first compare it to other ICO and get the best.

[Orsenise]

there are way too many new investors joining the crypto space. You have all of these young people (and even older one's) who have never seen a chart in their life, never read a business model and never used technology in the way they are trying to do. They basically don't know what is going on, and therefore can't take the right decision as to what is good or bad. Investing in an ICO involves a lot of knowledge about the market, the technology and the value the project wants to offer. If you can't evaluate these you're basically throwing money off the window. We need more good investment decisions and to do that we need to learn what makes an investment good (the value it will offer in the short/long term).

[coskunc]

I think they don't lose money by investing Icos in long term. Some people look investing as game and they already sacrificed the money for investing. But some others invest everything they hear to earn money however they didn't search anything. That is why they losing.

[Javanewstar]

Many times, novices can't tell which ones are good projects or bad ones, and ICO is inherently risky, so it's not surprising.

[DRVX]

They are blinded by the sweet talks,most of the investors dont want to do serious researching before investing and they will end up crying.

I agree. Most people do not investigate the project, but simply trust beautiful stories about it. Experienced investors carefully study all information about the project and try to invest in those projects where there is already an existing business.
My opinion - United Trades will rock (in my signature)! Not there is one guy with 200 millions invested about 11 000 eth! Just read this news!

[TIDOVEE]

a lot of people invest in wrong ico because they are not patient enough for the stability of the bubbles, some ICO are over hyped than they can deliver, even though they are presumed to have high target but they are such incapacitated to meet up and may not even bring people to realise such early enough, more so, its not all hyped profile ICO that has the TEAM WORK as strong enough for their goal.

[cryptochr]

I find it e-logical to invest in a fail ICO, why would you want to lose money?!

You invest to gain profit from an ICO, not to lose money.

[Swenna]

I don't think people invest in ICO's in order to lose money. Nobody wants to lose any of their money. It's just that the ICO that they have chosen to invest on doesn't have any clear goal, roadmap and knowledgeable members. There are several factors that affects the success of an ICO. Every investment is a risk and every ICO has a possibility of becoming a scam when not manage properly. They didn't invest in wrong ICO's to lose money, rather, they lost their money because they invested in wrong ICO's.

[bamb]

Why do people invest in wrong ICO? Because they fail to learn the basic principle guiding ICO offering! ICO must have a product or service that is work able, realistic and has potential for profit! You must not buy ICO based on hyped otherwise yoy may evn lose the roof over your head!

[nextel]

Because most ICOs are useless and all they want is to collect investments and they'll gone out of the blue.
Fake ICOs can be easily spotted if you know hoe to search them from web and search each management team core if they have already successful previous career. If not, then you're investing a shit ICO.

[nextel]

I find it e-logical to invest in a fail ICO, why would you want to lose money?!

You invest to gain profit from an ICO, not to lose money.

Promising ICOs indeed difficult if you don't know how to search from internet but for me ICOs that's managed by higher rank members then above 50% probably that ICO isn't fake.
People are losing money because they want to be the first investor and early ICO investors will receive bonuses of tokens but that's really not the indication that an ICO isn't fake.
Choose wisely and invest less, it's better than falling your funds in the future.

[nextel]

Many times, novices can't tell which ones are good projects or bad ones, and ICO is inherently risky, so it's not surprising.

I agree, if you want to invest in Cryptocurrency just go straight to Bitcoin or on top Altcoins like Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash. That investment will never put your money into nothing. Clever investor are investing sure win projects and top coins have already proven that they're continuously increasing almost every day.

[nextel]

Lack of knowledge is the number one thing that always make them lose their money. Another thing is the fear of missing out which always drive people to go all in and thinking to theirselves that nothing could go wrong because everyone is on it.

I agree, most investors are not well educated in Cryptocurrency and the business investments itself. Some of them are just tricked by their virtual friends in social media and they're barely knowing each other. Some investors are just trying to get luck and believe themselves that in the future you're going to be rich through Cryptocurrency. But the most important thing is before investing, investors should choose wisely and check the core team itself if they're capable to run the project effectively.

[Matimtim]

The only reason why almost people are investing in a wrong ico because many ICO are scam than legit and profitable ico,for me its time to look the new strategy in investing in deferent ico to avoid losing our money.

[Meruem]

People invest in wrong ICOs because they are not aware of the market and are a bit (or nit a bit) greedy. They just want to invest and gain millions with doing nothing.
Such people did not research the market, did not research in details the ICO in which they invest.. It is important to research the ICO in details: the team, the idea, the perspectives. At least to know if this is scam or no.
The lack of such information leads to lose of money for investors and big winnings for ICO teams.

[RiskySanchez]

The only reason why almost people are investing in a wrong ico because many ICO are scam than legit and profitable ico,for me its time to look the new strategy in investing in deferent ico to avoid losing our money.

yap that's why the need for analysis when checking the background on the project we want. if we really want to participate in ico we should check on the website, whitepaper and roadmap

[rpg]

What all the investors expect from their investment is nothing but profit from the turn over of their investment capital and not loss. Why so many people end up invest their money in an ICO projects that will at the end of the day not succeed is that many of them didn't try to examine ICO's and just want to get quick 2x or more.