Activity & new membergroup limits

[MagicBit15]

I feel that in the long term it will be a gain for all of us as the accounts get harder to gain seniority and in this way it helps the accounts gain more money

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

I didn't think about that.

[MagicBit15]

I know enough forums where postcount is not displayed at all exactly because of people assigning misplaced importance to postcounts.

Whatever, I am done complaining, I don't make the rules. It's stupid and I am not a fan but I can't change it.

It hasn't been changed in a day, so I guess it's here to stay. I don't even want it to change, I would just like to see the total amount of posts alongside activity. Fast posts, slow posts, I just have to click everyone's profile now to know that now, on every page and on every topic. Not everyone is a spammer, scammer, noob. A lot of people come on here and make quality posts everyday, which you can check through. Which I do like in seeing who is posting good stuff and who is posting crap.

That's why I like it at least. This is bullshit.

[dogie]

I trade a lot and so its vitally important. And although the trust system should be what is used by buyers, 100% its not. Every time I get "I see you're a hero member, I trust you", NOT because I have +250 risked in trust. No buyer actually cares about trust at the moment.

All this does is give the old members doing escrow more money.

You realize you were basically "gaming" the system, right? You registered less than 3 months ago and yet, because of your post count, you earned a Hero tag and newbies were placing more confidence in you than they should have.

The new system may not be the best idea but your arguments are hurting your case more than helping it.

Was the trust right? Yes. Have I scammed anyone? No.

As I've said 10x already, carpet bombing is not a solution.

[jubalix]

I feel that in the long term it will be a gain for all of us as the accounts get harder to gain seniority and in this way it helps the accounts gain more money

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

I didn't think about that.

you know this is a fair point, it's going to create legions of hero members over time....

[jubalix]

this formula makes little sense
activity = min(time * 14, posts)?

activity = min(time * 14, posts), what does the , mean in there

it looks like  a = min(t*14,p)

could you be a little more explicit in the maths formula

min= minimum
time= time logged in
post= total post you made

but what is the ","? is it t*14/p, t*14*p, t*4 + g(p)?, min( t*14 || p)

I think he means min (t*14||p) to say z = g(x,y) is a 3 dimensional function

the logical "or" || should be used not ","

if(t*14<p)
{cout>>t*14;}
else
{cout>>p;}


also, I think the ignore needs some attention, as it breeds too much normative behavior by the sanction of the longest here which is death to vitality.

min(x,y) is a standard mathematical function that yields, unsurprisingly, the minimum of the 2 arguments. Just like any multi-argument function, it uses a comma to separates the different arguments. I don't see what's confusing about that.

using a logical or between arguments would make no sense, since t*14 and p are not boolean variables.

uh the t*14 is evaluated first...

wow...not sure what planet I must be on, but I never use or see min(x,y), its always logical functions...to express an idea....
probably to much into the maths than programing!

[wachtwoord]

I like the new metric.

Please make it possible to sort the memberlist on activity. Right now I can only sort on post count.

[Rannasha]

this formula makes little sense
activity = min(time * 14, posts)?

activity = min(time * 14, posts), what does the , mean in there

it looks like  a = min(t*14,p)

could you be a little more explicit in the maths formula

min= minimum
time= time logged in
post= total post you made

but what is the ","? is it t*14/p, t*14*p, t*4 + g(p)?, min( t*14 || p)

I think he means min (t*14||p) to say z = g(x,y) is a 3 dimensional function

the logical "or" || should be used not ","

if(t*14<p)
{cout>>t*14;}
else
{cout>>p;}


also, I think the ignore needs some attention, as it breeds too much normative behavior by the sanction of the longest here which is death to vitality.

min(x,y) is a standard mathematical function that yields, unsurprisingly, the minimum of the 2 arguments. Just like any multi-argument function, it uses a comma to separates the different arguments. I don't see what's confusing about that.

using a logical or between arguments would make no sense, since t*14 and p are not boolean variables.

uh the t*14 is evaluated first...

wow...not sure what planet I must be on, but I never use or see min(x,y), its always logical functions...to express an idea....
probably to much into the maths than programing!

And how would the minimum of 2 booleans be defined then, if min() were a logical function? Makes little sense to me (= mathematician, graduated in mathematical logic).

min(x,y) is just your everyday minimum-value-function. More details at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Minimum.html

[edd]

I trade a lot and so its vitally important. And although the trust system should be what is used by buyers, 100% its not. Every time I get "I see you're a hero member, I trust you", NOT because I have +250 risked in trust. No buyer actually cares about trust at the moment.

All this does is give the old members doing escrow more money.

You realize you were basically "gaming" the system, right? You registered less than 3 months ago and yet, because of your post count, you earned a Hero tag and newbies were placing more confidence in you than they should have.

The new system may not be the best idea but your arguments are hurting your case more than helping it.

Was the trust right? Yes. Have I scammed anyone? No.

As I've said 10x already, carpet bombing is not a solution.

Does having a Hero status make someone more trustworthy? No.

Did I say you were untrustworthy simply because you've only been here three months? No.

As I said, your arguments are hurting your case more than helping it.

[Korbman]

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

I didn't think about that.

you know this is a fair point, it's going to create legions of hero members over time....

..which is the point of the new metric. If you're active on the forums for 14-ish months, you'll naturally gain "hero" status...just as [previously] if you're 'active' on the forums spamming posts for a month you'll gain "hero" status.

I'm quite happy with the change. It appears the majority of users complaining have an unusual fascination with arbitrary titles and symbols under their name than anything else...as if it somehow makes them feel better inside or something?

[jubalix]

And how would the minimum of 2 booleans be defined then, if min() were a logical function? Makes little sense to me (= mathematician, graduated in mathematical logic).

min(x,y) is just your everyday minimum-value-function. More details at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Minimum.html

min() is not a boolean logical operator, its at best a usually function call as you note.

there is only &&, ||, NOT (cant find the bar)

short hand . + not

[jubalix]

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

I didn't think about that.

you know this is a fair point, it's going to create legions of hero members over time....

..which is the point of the new metric. If you're active on the forums for 14-ish months, you'll naturally gain "hero" status...just as [previously] if you're 'active' on the forums spamming posts for a month you'll gain "hero" status.

I'm quite happy with the change. It appears the majority of users complaining have an unusual fascination with arbitrary titles and symbols under their name than anything else...as if it somehow makes them feel better inside or something?

look I agree, but I think it should be harder to be a hero member....the reason it may be useful is signal v noise argument.....

[greyhawk]

look I agree, but I think it should be harder to be a hero member....the reason it may be useful is signal v noise argument.....

With the old system I could be a hero member in 4 hours from registration by keeping up a continuous posting rate of 2 posts per minute in the "Count to 21 million" thread.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I feel that in the long term it will be a gain for all of us as the accounts get harder to gain seniority and in this way it helps the accounts gain more money

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

I didn't think about that.

you know this is a fair point, it's going to create legions of hero members over time....

That is exactly what has been happening with the old post count system.

If you don't post in the new system, you don't go up in ranks. Same as the old one.

[deadweasel]

I feel that in the long term it will be a gain for all of us as the accounts get harder to gain seniority and in this way it helps the accounts gain more money

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

I didn't think about that.

you know this is a fair point, it's going to create legions of hero members over time....

That is exactly what has been happening with the old post count system.

If you don't post in the new system, you don't go up in ranks. Same as the old one.

Regardless of how effective this will be, I'm glad to see active attempts to reduce the account spam and gaming.  It may fail this time, but we will learn. 

You might drop dead from surprise when I say this but:  Thank you, Mods. 

[Korbman]

..which is the point of the new metric. If you're active on the forums for 14-ish months, you'll naturally gain "hero" status...just as [previously] if you're 'active' on the forums spamming posts for a month you'll gain "hero" status.

I'm quite happy with the change. It appears the majority of users complaining have an unusual fascination with arbitrary titles and symbols under their name than anything else...as if it somehow makes them feel better inside or something?

look I agree, but I think it should be harder to be a hero member....the reason it may be useful is signal v noise argument.....

I'm not sure I understand. Becoming a hero is harder ..or at least more drawn out.. as compared to the previous system.

[jackjack]

I feel that in the long term it will be a gain for all of us as the accounts get harder to gain seniority and in this way it helps the accounts gain more money

Why do people keep repeating this! It is EASIER than before because all you do is create an account, do 7 posts a week and you gain hero status by WAITING. Not by doing anything, not by being credible, but by WAITING.

And by that virtue, EVERYONE will get promoted to hero.

Again, no
activity = MIN(time*14, post count)

Don't you know what is a fucking MINIMUM?

How can min(a,b)=100 be easier to achieve than b=100?
Clearer: how can "posting once every two weeks for more than a year + posting more than 400 posts" be easier "posting 500 posts"?

[nimda]

The activity number is determined in this way:
time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)

One interesting consequence of this is that I, with many two-week periods containing more than 14 posts, only need to post once every fortnight to see my activity go up 14 at a time.

[cedivad]

time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)

I think that it should be more of something like this:

time = number of 1-day periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time, posts)

[nimda]

time = number of two-week periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time * 14, posts)

I think that it should be more of something like this:

time = number of 1-day periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time, posts)

theymos' is more lenient. It allows you to post twice every other day and receive an activity point for every post. I don't think twice every other day is spam or should be punished.

[theymos]

I think that it should be more of something like this:

time = number of 1-day periods in which you've posted since your registration
activity = min(time, posts)

That'd make people feel paranoid about always getting a post in each day, I think.