Best privacy coin?

[carlocolucci83]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

As you can see in my previous post, I was open for debate. But (again) saying 'stfu' completely disqualifies you as an individual to have a serious debate with and I swear to God I stopped reading. Good luck arguing with yourself, cause I doubt anyone will wanna have a discussion with you. Anyways, I wish you the best mate.

[sirsplashalot]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311897.msg23455862#msg23455862

[carlocolucci83]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311897.msg23455862#msg23455862

Lol, best post ever. I feel sorry for ppl with anger issues. I wish not only them, but especially their loved ones (if any, lol) the best, cause I know how that can impact one's life. But we cannot know what the real issue is. Could also be autistic/Asperger (not trying to insult ppl with Asperger here). Bottom line: he needs help, thats obvious.

[generalizethis]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311897.msg23455862#msg23455862

If the coin you invest in can't explain how it works, you should be angry with devs, not me. You should be aiming your questions at them, not me.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so constinue to hide in the shadows. Pretty sure no one will see your attempt at distraction as anything but the flimsy evasion of a scam.

[stronghands4lyfe]

I like Zcash the most out of all those options you had up. My 2nd privacy coin isn't even on the market yet and that one is called Blackbytes. It is the privacy version of Bytes and I think by 2018 end it will be worth a bit.

[sirsplashalot]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311897.msg23455862#msg23455862

If the coin you invest in can't explain how it works, you should be angry with devs, not me. You should be aiming your questions at them, not me.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so constinue to hide in the shadows. Pretty sure no one will see your attempt at distraction as anything but the flimsy evasion of a scam.

Thats the thing, for all you know the dev is my best friend, chooses to remain anonymous because of the illegalities surrounding this controversial cryptocurrency in some regions and that I know something you don't. You cannot relate to me as a person and tell me who and who not to direct my anger towards. If you think for a second any of your posts made me angry, you really need to get over yourself. I genuinely believe the poster above may be right, and I genuinely apologize if you have Aspergers syndrome. There are brilliant people who have such.

[generalizethis]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311897.msg23455862#msg23455862

If the coin you invest in can't explain how it works, you should be angry with devs, not me. You should be aiming your questions at them, not me.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so constinue to hide in the shadows. Pretty sure no one will see your attempt at distraction as anything but the flimsy evasion of a scam.

Thats the thing, for all you know the dev is my best friend, chooses to remain anonymous because of the illegalities surrounding this controversial cryptocurrency in some regions and that I know something you don't. You cannot relate to me as a person and tell me who and who not to direct my anger towards. If you think for a second any of your posts made me angry, you really need to get over yourself. I genuinely believe the poster above may be right, and I genuinely apologize if you have Aspergers syndrome. There are brilliant people who have such.

And some people like gambling on the slight chance that there's a good reason not to reveal how a technology works. If you had just stated that early, the debate would have been over. If people want to do stupid things with their money, that's not my problem. Sorry that you feel the need to make it personal to distract from the fact that you can't explain how it works (whether safety or scam is irrelevant to my point as the fact that you are expecting others to gamble with no knowledge of how spectre works is the only point I need to make).

[BigBoy89]

Check out Opal

http://www.opal-coin.com/

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/opal/



-Algo : X13 POS
-No Premine
-No Ico
-5% POS interest
-Supply aprox 15mil
-Stealth addresses (Opaque)
-Encrypted messaging

Only 0.14$ on Cryptopia  

Price now is even lower.
Looks like a promising project with their stealth addresses. I add it with small amount among my coins. I still think that Spectre is the best privacy coin.

[generalizethis]

Instead of arguing without any sense, you could have gotten an answer from the dev team, try @jbg on spectreproject.slack.com, who will provide you with an answer in a matter of minutes as the devs are very active and open for answering questions. I know many, many coins are being shilled without any underlying tech and many promises are being made in this cryptomarket, but what you are doing now is discussing matters with a person who cannot provide you with an answer, which does not get you anywhere but confirm your thoughts you already seem to have. It does not make any sense.

I was right, your dev won't (or more likely can't) answer to how it works.

Hey generalizethis, we don't "claim to have anonymous staking". We've worked out a way to do it, and we will be launching it towards the end of Q2 this year. Nobody is asking you to believe it until we release the paper and source code, don't worry

Now stumble around for faith based rationalizing as to why he won't (can't) explain how it works.  I'll wait until Q2 to tell you I was right--but my guess is you and your buddy will be hiding behind new usernames.

[Tony116]

Private coins will soon become very popular. And so it is profitable to invest in them today. There are several private coins that I like more than others. These are coins such as PIVX, Monero, XSPEC.

[Inkognito222]

Please check this Spectrecoin (XSPEC) features and you understand who best privacy coin
- Automatically Adjusted Ring Signatures
- Stealth Addresses
- Fast PoSv3 60 sec transactions
- Innovative first ever in Crypto 'Stealth Staking'

[Tiber1337]

Well IOHK is trying to pull the XSPEC tech into Zencash, which would make Zencash the ultimate private coin imo

Charles Hoskinson explains it well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8LiM_xYDw

What do you think?

[huydavid]

Top 5 Privacy Coins:
5. VERGE (XVG)
Website: https://vergecurrency.com/
Algorithm: Scrypt, x17, groestl, blake2s, & lyra2rev2
Block Time: 30 Seconds

Verge is still early in their development phase. As far as I can tell from their 'black paper' they use I2P and TOR to hide/obfuscate traffic resulting in the blockchain being fully opaque, so if you know that an address belongs to someone, you can see how 'much' he has and what transactions he has done from and to that address. As well, the black paper includes some grammatical errors which raise some mental flags to me.

With these concerns though I still see the huge potential.

"Whatever ZCash is proposing VERGE is already at it. Dash and Monero even though on huge premium prices don't come close to the anonymity you've got with Verge."
"This [Verge] is the only coin to have an electrum wallet that connects directly to i2p nodes. It's the only anonymous coin that exists today."

To be honest, I cannot believe how Verge basically went unnoticed last year while other privacy-centric currencies exploded. It is just so undervalued. Verge has a great and growing community/developer team. If I can look past the few early hiccups along the way they have huge potential at a very cheap rate currently.

4. PIVX (PIVX)
Website: https://pivx.org/
Algorithm: BTC Core 0.10.x, BIP38 Encryption/Decryption of Private Keys
Block Time: 60 Seconds

One of the new contenders in the privacy-centric cryptocurrency race goes by the name of PIVX. based on the current market cap for privacy-oriented currencies, PIVX is the fourth largest. The ecosystem works similar to Dash, as users can run master nodes to support the network. Running PIVX master nodes requires users to lock 10,000 coins into a wallet, compared to Dash’s 1,000 coin threshold. This also means a large part of the available PIVX supply is currently locked up in the master node.

PIVX also provides instant transactions through the SwiftTX implementation. The community is governing the future for this currency, rather than leaving it up to just the developers. One thing all community members are looking forward to is the future implementation of the Zerocoin protocol. This feature will improve transaction privacy even further.

3. Zcash (ZEC)
Website: https://z.cash/
Algorithm: Equihash
Block Time: 2.5 Minutes

The Zcash development team uses zero-knowledge proofs to provide anonymity for its users. A zero-knowledge proof serves to allow for both the verification and the privacy of data at the same time. In the case of Zcash, this technology is used to encrypt the sender and recipient addresses, as well as transaction amounts. At the same time, all network transactions are validated by the blockchain, just like Bitcoin.

To get a bit more technical, Zcash uses ZK-SNARKS to achieve this goal. Every transaction can contain a string of data provided by the sender – the zero-knowledge proof – as well as encrypted transaction data. This implementation also means senders can’t generate a specific string unless they own the spending key for that address. Moreover, the input values of both input and output need to be equal.

It is important to keep in mind this feature does not provide utter anonymity while using Zcash, though. It is still possible for blockchain analysts to correlate information through public transactions. Moreover, IP addresses of users are not obfuscated unless they use a routing service themselves. Personal identifiers linked to public data are not hidden by this protocol.

2. Monero (XMR)
Website: https://getmonero.org/
Algorithm: CryptoNight
Block Time: 60 Seconds

Monero has been a popular alternative cryptocurrency among enthusiasts who favor anonymity over privacy. Improved anonymity was added to the protocol just a few months ago, as Confidential Transactions were introduced in January of 2017. All of the network nodes have transitioned to accommodate for Confidential Transactions without any hitch. Ever since this implementation, the Monero price has started to rise a bit across exchanges.

Ring Confidential Transactions are designed to improve privacy and security. By bundling the sending and receiving of public keys with older network transactions, a “mixer” is created that is capable of obfuscating addresses. All of this makes blockchain analysis virtually impossible. Making Monero one of the most anonymous cryptocurrencies is still the primary objective, even though that has led to an increase in transaction size. This is not as big of a problem, though, as Monero has an adaptive block size.

On top of Ring Confidential Transactions, Monero makes use of ring signatures and Stealth addresses to hide both the sender and the receiver in a transaction. Additional anonymity and privacy features are still in development, such as the Kovri router, which can conceal the origin node for transactions in I2P. Monero positions itself as a private and optionally transparent cryptocurrency.

1. DASH (DASH)
Website: https://www.dash.org/
Algorithm: Decision Algorithm for Supportive Housing© (DASH)
Block Time: 2.5 Minutes

A lot of people feel Dash provides them with anonymity as well, thanks to the PrivateSend feature. While it is true that this feature offers privacy to users, it is not anonymous in the traditional sense. PrivateSend is an improved version of CoinJoin, enhanced by features such as decentralization and a chaining approach. A decentralized mixing service built within the Dash protocol allows the currency to remain fungible, which is one of the features Bitcoin lacks right now.

Moreover, using PrivateSend mixing requires at least three different participants which allow funds to be merged together and create obfuscated transactions. That is, assuming all users submit the same Dash denominations as inputs and outputs. There is a limit as to how much money can be sent per transaction using DarkSend, though, as the feature currently allows for 1,000 DASH per session. Additionally, several PrivateSend sessions need to be completed to achieve optimal anonymity and privacy.

[generalizethis]

Please check this Spectrecoin (XSPEC)

- Innovative first ever in Crypto 'Stealth Staking'

I don't know about the other claims, but that's likely vaporware given that it's an anonymous dev making the claim without any code or a whitepaper stating how he/she plans on doing it.

[rkrams]

Best Privacy coins other than the big players like monero, zcash, bitcoin dark,


would be verge, intense coin, xpec, shield.

[Inn0vative1]

Top two would be Cloak or Sumokoin.

Anyone who thinks Monero holds this crown should look at Sumo. Yes its a clone of Monero, but it added features that make it more secure than Monero, such as a minimum ring size of 12 plus subaddresses for even greater anonymity. Sumo should really be called Monero+, cos its Monero with more privacy features added.

Then there's Cloak coin: Faster, Cloak Shield + Enigma Mixer = True end to end privacy!

[saqibmunir]

Post how spectre achieves anonymous staking or stfu.

That's all that should matter to investors and if it's available, post it and end any debate.

I'm not apologizing for getting angry with people who waste my time. He could have just wrote, "I don't know how it works," and saved us both some time. Instead he tried to make it out like I was asking an unreasonable question and deflecting from the question.

As far as grammar, I'm not apologizing for expecting words to fall in line with their definitions and not to have to debate their meaning when there is only one definition--this goes back to my annoyance of having my time wasted. Instead of trying to make it about me versus spectre, you should focus on why people believe it can do something that's never been done before without a whitepaper or an explanation as to how it works.

It's simple--post how it works or expect me to call you out on it. I'm not jumping through hoops for you and it's customary to have a whitepaper to go along with a new claim. Expecting less is a much bigger  problem than any personality conflict you have with me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2311897.msg23455862#msg23455862

Most of the people are talking about spectrecoin and i think i also go with it. Spectrecoin is one of the best anonymous coin if not the best though unknown yet to many because of lack of marketing but it should change soon with an update of the wallet android wallet also with the ability to stake and spectrecash anonymous cash transfer from anywhere in the world

[generalizethis]

All Coins are created equal. But I like Zcash coin. Zcash is the first open, permission less cryptocurrency that can fully protect the privacy of transactions using zero-knowledge cryptography.

What? If you could just slap a privacy label on a coin and call it a day, we wouldn't need threads like this at all. How they are designed separates them and that's why we discuss it. Zcash has optional privacy which has lead to this http://jeffq.com/blog/on-the-linkability-of-zcash-transactions/

You can't just assume they work equally well--there's no way I'd use Zcash for a Tx I needed to keep private--at least not in its present state. After sapling I may use it, but I won't hold it for any significant time as there is no way to audit the coin supply and someone could successfully multiply the supply X fold and reduce the value of each coin. That issue has remained unsolvable. Never mind that it's a corporate coin and there's dev tax and significant down pressure on the price due to the amount of coins yet to be mined.

None of these coins are equal as they are designed differently, have different devs, different emission schedules, and so on. TBH, most are shitcoins that will never see use on the darkmarkets, which is where the real use happens--at least in the early phases. If you are just going to hype a coin for speculative purposes, then sure, they are equal for your purpose, but that will never be a long term use case and has nothing to do with how well the coin works, only how well it is hyped.

[Tondya]

Certainly now it is Monero , but Spectre is the best one for privacy , and in future it can cost more expensive than now.

[generalizethis]

Certainly now it is Monero , but Spectre is the best one for privacy , and in future it can cost more expensive than now.

Monero cryptographers are actually studying SPECTRE to see if it can be implemented in Monero, but it is this SPECTRE https://medium.com/@avivzohar/the-spectre-protocol-7dbbebb707b5

You may be talking about spectrecoin which is a shitcoin with dubious claims (specifically anonymous staking).