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August 28, 2013, 10:09:36 AM
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Simply inverse the roll then? God you're ignorant.

No I'm not ignorant, you are trying too hard to prove him right.

Inversing a roll doesn't proves that his site is not scamming people who are playing at <50
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August 28, 2013, 10:10:45 AM
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Simply inverse the roll then? God you're ignorant.

No I'm not ignorant, you are trying too hard to prove him right.

Inversing a roll doesn't proves that his site is not scamming people who are playing at <50


Do you understand cryptography?? HE IS UNABLE TO MANIPULATE THE ROLLS.

You are implying that the rolls are weighted to rolling over 50, THEN INVERSE THE ROLLS.
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August 28, 2013, 10:40:23 AM
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As pointed out before: if a site would be scamming it's very easy to find out. So if you say the chance of >50 is WAY higher, then bet on there and have fun with your +EV.

Also as Zaih pointed out: your screenshots show 4 more losses than wins, which is completely acceptable.

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August 28, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
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You both are on my ignore list now.
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August 28, 2013, 12:04:52 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

Proving the point of my -rep to him: Ignorance.

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August 28, 2013, 12:07:33 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

You just don't seem to understand basic probability.
In your last set of screenshots, you had 28 rolls, and won 12 times.
The probability of that happening can be calculated by an independent site, you don't have to trust anyone here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+12+heads+in+28+coin+flips
There is a 11.33% chance of getting exactly 12 wins, and a 28.58% chance of getting 12 or fewer wins in 28 rolls.
It just isn't that unlikely, it really isn't.
You would expect it to happen more than 1 in 4 times.

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August 28, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

You just don't seem to understand basic probability.
In your last set of screenshots, you had 28 rolls, and won 12 times.
The probability of that happening can be calculated by an independent site, you don't have to trust anyone here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+12+heads+in+28+coin+flips
There is a 11.33% chance of getting exactly 12 wins, and a 28.58% chance of getting 12 or fewer wins in 28 rolls.
It just isn't that unlikely, it really isn't.
You would expect it to happen more than 1 in 4 times.


There were total 50 rolls in last screenshots, (10 in each screenshot)
Results:
win/lose
2/8
3/7
3/7
4/6
2/8
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August 28, 2013, 12:22:28 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

You just don't seem to understand basic probability.
In your last set of screenshots, you had 28 rolls, and won 12 times.
The probability of that happening can be calculated by an independent site, you don't have to trust anyone here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+12+heads+in+28+coin+flips
There is a 11.33% chance of getting exactly 12 wins, and a 28.58% chance of getting 12 or fewer wins in 28 rolls.
It just isn't that unlikely, it really isn't.
You would expect it to happen more than 1 in 4 times.


There were total 50 rolls in last screenshots, (10 in each screenshot)
Results:
win/lose
2/8
3/7
3/7
4/6
2/8

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+14+heads+in+36+coin+flips
Unluckier, but still a 12% (1 in 8 ) chance of happening.

Edit: Or are you saying 2/8 to mean 2 wins out of 10, rather than 2 wins out of 8?
In that case: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=probability+of+14+heads+in+50+coin+flips
Yup, your luck really sucked for that run.
But there is no run of bad luck that cannot happen, even with a provably fair system.

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August 28, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

Proving the point of my -rep to him: Ignorance.

Your -rep shows you don't have guts and backbone.
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August 28, 2013, 12:49:33 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

Proving the point of my -rep to him: Ignorance.

Your -rep shows you don't have guts and backbone.


so what does your neg rep on Stunna mean?

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August 28, 2013, 12:53:40 PM
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I'm stopping this derailed thread, flame wars are bad Sad

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August 28, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

Proving the point of my -rep to him: Ignorance.

Your -rep shows you don't have guts and backbone.


so what does your neg rep on Stunna mean?

If you get scammed by someone or someone tried to scam you, you are free to use trust ratings.
I have done same. I played game, saw this thread and felt like scammed, I have given ratings to stunna because my money went to his site. I have posted accusation that time and also posted scam report now.

Now if you have some kind of personal problem like Zaih and vlees and want to abuse trust system (like hackforums neg repping kids), feel free to give me negative trust ratings and i will do the same thing.

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August 28, 2013, 01:57:25 PM
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You both are on my ignore list now.

Proving the point of my -rep to him: Ignorance.

Your -rep shows you don't have guts and backbone.


You are a liar. First you claim you ignore(d) me, but then you still quote me. So I am clearly not on your ignore list.

Yet another fail by you.

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August 28, 2013, 01:58:10 PM
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Sockpuppets win.

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August 28, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
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August 28, 2013, 02:00:56 PM
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August 28, 2013, 03:10:51 PM
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Alright first off, we'll be updating our provably fair to something very similar to just-dice as long as dooglus doesn't mind. We've been planning to regardless. I will update when this is implemented.

I don't mind; help yourself.

Hopefully it will put a stop to threads like this.  Smiley

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August 28, 2013, 04:27:42 PM
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I have said my side well and clear in this matter and will not be continuing, I truly believe Stunna is a con man and from day one, even with the Mbitcoin 200 BTC win has been playing your hearts extremely well.

However there is one thing I will say. Zaih is the biggest shill for Primedice ever, oh and if theres any dispute, Zaih is buying PD1 background or coding or whatever from Stunna. He told us all this in Just-Dice chat a bit ago. So yeah, Zaih if you're aren't the most bias person here to even be saying anything, who is? Seriously shut up, EVERYONE remove your untrusts on the trust system, we have our opinions here but as Stunna knows, we can't prove it so he wins. Please do not abuse the trust system unless u have irrefutable evidence. But Zaih, don't you dare try acting like your a nonbias opinion here. If Stunna shut down that would ruin a lot of your plans since your buying PD1.

That is all, carry on.

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August 28, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
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This is an interesting concept, but it doesn't relate just to PD, more like to anyone. I have noticed very strange losing streaks on some of the sites, like once I had 23 losses in a row with a chance of 1 in a gazillion.

However, do you have proof?

lol I've lost on 98% 3 times in a row and probably would have lost more :/
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August 29, 2013, 01:15:06 AM
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Facts: You played. You lost. You were shown how it was fair, and you still claim it is not, despite being shown by several people who are not the site owner.

It becomes a he said she said. Abuse of trust system is abuse. You have a neg rep from me as well, until you take down yours. Have a nice day.

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