Is PrimeDice really (provably)fair?

[Zaih]

Primedice still has not changed to nonce betting. Been quite a bit of time already since the change was claimed "coming". Doing similar to what bit777 did, claims change was coming for provably fair but instead just increased marketing and left his games NOT provably fair at all.

To be fair it's completely provably fair, people just have to change their client seed.

It's a bit like Peerbet's instant & non instant games. If people trust PrimeDice, don't bother changing the client seed, if they do, change it.

Primedice IS provably fair, just not as easily provably fair as it could be.

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[organofcorti]

It's possible to assess the possibility that any dice site is scamming you. Send me some data (min 1000 rolls for any given bet) and I'll have a go.

[patricktim]

yes, primeDice is fair.

[cyclops]

Only known (not including funny shit based on "Script Knows What To Do Now" concepts, that works only when You can't change client seed) "anti martingale" system is limited bet. There's limit on PD - You can't win more than 10 BTC in single roll. So if according to Martini You have to bet 8 BTC on 49.5%, You're busted.

The best anti-martingale system is YOU and Your blind faith in Martingale. With bankroll 0.005 and inital bet 0.00002 You will be busted after 7 loses in row. Chances for 7 loses in row is 0.8376057438%, BUT when You roll 1000 times, it's damn 98.4%. Deal with it.

So also 98.4% for winning 7 times in a row, right? Which never happened.

[uoyeparannog]

So also 98.4% for winning 7 times in a row, right?

Yes.*

Which never happened.

1. Run 1000 rolls.
2. Make sure that You wasn't busted and really made 10000 rolls (bet 0 for example).
3. Check streks again.
4. If You don't have 7 wins in row somewhere, go play lottery. You are lucky. Well, kind of.


_{*edit - in fact no, as it was calculations with house edge included, but whatever - close to 98.4%.}

[prophetx]

on a 2x game... i had 13 rolls against me the other day (friday the 13th, no joke) on primedice that occurred just before 1000 rolls was up, lost the entire bankroll... this is after the previous 1000 rolls had a 10 rolls against me

i should probably not play the lotto huh...

wtf are the chances of tails coming up 13 times in a row...

[Dabs]

wtf are the chances of tails coming up 13 times in a row...

Higher than you think. Quite often on all the dice sites.

[IdealDarkness]

Fair? Well, it's hard to decide...
I got a run where had 3 win, and 7 loss, on 75%. It has to be opposite. I had a real interesting run too, where I got 10 win, and 20 loss, on 66%, that was not too fair, I think

[prophetx]

wtf are the chances of tails coming up 13 times in a row...

Higher than you think. Quite often on all the dice sites.

i calculated that it was something like 1 in 8000ish if I did my math right, so after rolling 2200+ times, it was not a shocker, but did suck

[haightst]

This is an interesting concept, but it doesn't relate just to PD, more like to anyone. I have noticed very strange losing streaks on some of the sites, like once I had 23 losses in a row with a chance of 1 in a gazillion.

However, do you have proof?

 re: very strange losing streaks

imo 1 of 2 things are happening====?


A. THEY ARE CHEATING


B. THEY ARE BEING HACKED AND SOMEONE IS EXTERNALLY CAUSING A "PENDULUM EFFECT"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)


 

[haightst]

on a 2x game... i had 13 rolls against me the other day (friday the 13th, no joke) on primedice that occurred just before 1000 rolls was up, lost the entire bankroll... this is after the previous 1000 rolls had a 10 rolls against me

i should probably not play the lotto huh...

wtf are the chances of tails coming up 13 times in a row...

DICE TRAP GAMES'  "KEY COMMANDS"? ====> 11REDS @ 11BTCzzz

 ~~~ hmm do weee need new thread?  

[b!z]

Yes, it is fair. You can read Bitcoin Reviewer's post on provably fair bitcoin to see how the system actually works.

Just because you were unlucky does not mean that the game is unfair.

[haightst]

Yes, it is fair. You can read Bitcoin Reviewer's post on provably fair bitcoin to see how the system actually works.

Just because you were unlucky does not mean that the game is unfair.

you are trippin' fool!~ now you chumps are really starting to piss me off this provably fair nonsense ~ its done! You look very very stupid and scammy using this term in my honest opinion! SPAM YOUR BS ELSEWHERE!!  


THE LAW IN NEVADA REQUIRES A RNG  FOR A REASON!!!

About the Author?LMAO= WHAT IS YOUR NAME?  

[b!z]

Yes, it is fair. You can read Bitcoin Reviewer's post on provably fair bitcoin to see how the system actually works.

Just because you were unlucky does not mean that the game is unfair.

you are trippin' fool!~ now you chumps are really starting to piss me off this provably fair nonsense ~ its done! You look very very stupid and scammy using this term in my honest opinion! SPAM YOUR BS ELSEWHERE!! 


THE LAW IN NEVADA REQUIRES A RNG  FOR A REASON!!!

About the Author?LMAO= WHAT IS YOUR NAME? 

Results from a random number generator can be manipulated easily. Provably fair results cannot.

[haightst]

Yes, it is fair. You can read Bitcoin Reviewer's post on provably fair bitcoin to see how the system actually works.

Just because you were unlucky does not mean that the game is unfair.

you are trippin' fool!~ now you chumps are really starting to piss me off this provably fair nonsense ~ its done! You look very very stupid and scammy using this term in my honest opinion! SPAM YOUR BS ELSEWHERE!!  


THE LAW IN NEVADA REQUIRES A RNG  FOR A REASON!!!

About the Author?LMAO= WHAT IS YOUR NAME?  

Results from a random number generator can be manipulated easily. Provably fair results cannot.

how would you manipulate a RNG? So why is it the LEGAL STANDARD in Vegas?LMAO!!!

  and who the ffk are you?haaa

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

While the server seed exists. Selective hashes can still be done, it's so trivial right now. Even with this "nonce" that gets incremented, it's simple to just try and predict what the next nonce will be.

I should probably write a proof of concept script that shows this in action.

[haightst]

While the server seed exists. Selective hashes can still be done, it's so trivial right now.

I should probably write a proof of concept script that shows this in action.

4th seed ? 

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

While the server seed exists. Selective hashes can still be done, it's so trivial right now.

I should probably write a proof of concept script that shows this in action.

4th seed ?  

The server seed needs to get removed. Do it like coinroll.it. Increment a nonce, and use the server secret. That much ELIMINATES the problem. The owner can still predict what you will roll, but cannot manipulate it.

[haightst]

While the server seed exists. Selective hashes can still be done, it's so trivial right now.

I should probably write a proof of concept script that shows this in action.

4th seed ?  

... The owner can still predict what you will roll, but cannot manipulate it.

you know this, and that's how you can reverse and trick them LOL!!!  

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

While the server seed exists. Selective hashes can still be done, it's so trivial right now.

I should probably write a proof of concept script that shows this in action.

4th seed ?  

The server seed needs to get removed. Do it like coinroll.it. Increment a nonce, and use the server secret. That much ELIMINATES the problem. The owner can still predict what you will roll, but cannot manipulate it.

you know this, and that's how you can reverse and trick them LOL!!! 

I have no idea what you just said.