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December 14, 2017, 12:45:47 PM
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I applaud the forum’s policy, which generally stands tall on the side of letting people express their opinions freely.  But ShortCoins has gone over the line of excessive multi-posting and rapid, conceptually redundant topic creation (replete with emoji-laden subject lines).  In other words, ShortCoins is spamming.  Spamming opinions, regardless of any possible ulterior motives.  But nevertheless, spamming.

There is also involvement of a probable sock puppet, cryptoandmore.  See here and here; decide for yourself about the timing, the new account behavior, the writing style, and the oddity of the snatched-back post which reads exactly as a reply from ShortCoins.  Of course, ShortCoins denied it after the sock disappeared (they did not seem to be online at the same time).  Mods should be able to access decisive info.

I post here for three reasons:  (1) To ask guidance from moderators about whether this be considered reportable spam; (2) to request that it be considered such, so I can just hit the handy “Report to moderator” link, and/or that mods deal with ShortCoins in some other appropriate manner; and, (3) to place here some documentation of the matter.  I don’t recommend that existing threads be nuked, since some people (other than myself) have made insightful comments on them.

Here are pertinent stats, counting in UTC time; ShortCoins’ posts seem to be centred around midnight UTC.  Is this spam topic creation?  I think so, when all topics are conceptually similar and some are entirely duplicative:

  • Morning of 12-14: 4 new topics within just over 4 hours, then a 5th a few hours later.  I presume that last was delayed because this was the time I became involved; ShortCoins got into an argument with me, then waited a few hours (perhaps hoping I had left).
  • 12-12/12-13: 4 new topics within under 88 minutes.
  • 12-11/12-12: 9 new topics in just over 6 hours.
  • Morning of 12-11: 1 new topic.
  • 12-09/12-10: 7 new topics in just over 9 hours, including 3 separate “Bitcoin DOWN OVER (x)% today!!” new topics within less than 3½ hours (!).  N.b., this appears to be timed against that big happening thing on Gemini.
  • Account created: 2017-12-09 21:02:00.  Of course, we all know what market event that was the eve of.

At risk of making your eyeballs bleed, here is the list of ShortCoins’ threads thus far.  At least, the ones I know about; at least one of these seems to have been completely nuked by mods.

2017-12-14 08:12:27
☃☃☃ The #1 Factor Driving Bitcoin Prices ☃☃☃ (“The Number #1 Factor Driving Bitcoin Prices Is: Greed” (red highlight in original))
2017-12-14 04:40:29
♻♻♻ Bitcoin Strategy: Pump and DUMP ♻♻♻
2017-12-14 03:34:22
☠☠☠ Is Crypto A Rip-O? ☠☠☠
2017-12-14 00:55:46
✨✨✨ FOMO: Fear Of Missing Out Is Driving Bitcoin Prices ✨✨✨
2017-12-14 00:24:28
☃☃☃ Is Bitcoin An Empty Promise? ☃☃☃
2017-12-13 01:13:43
☠☠☠ Will High Transaction Fees Be The Downfall Of Bitcoin? ☠☠☠
2017-12-13 00:29:56
✨✨✨ Minimum Investment Size For BTC ✨✨✨ (“I no longer see investments under 0.1BTC being that practical because of fees.”)
2017-12-13 00:00:31
☠☠☠ Andreas Antonopoulos, Bitcoin Messiah, is a Fraud ☠☠☠
2017-12-12 23:46:36
☃☃☃ The Most Important Question About Bitcoin ☃☃☃ (“Everyone is too focused on when to buy. Waiting for dips to enter into the market.  That is great, but the much more important question is:  When to sell bitcoin?” (boldface in original))
2017-12-12 03:12:26
⛔️⛔️⛔️ Using a Stop-Loss for BTC Investments ⛔️⛔️⛔️ (“What if bitcoin crashed 80% would you still hold on?”)
2017-12-12 01:09:21
✈✈✈ How High Will Bitcoin Fees Get? ✈✈✈ (“Bitcoin fees are skyrocketing!!!”)
2017-12-12 00:37:10
☘☘☘ Futures Will Increase The Volatility Of Bitcoin ☘☘☘
2017-12-12 00:22:19
✨✨✨ How expensive will the last bitcoins be to mine? ✨✨✨
2017-12-11 23:44:12
⚠⚠⚠ Bitcoin is like the lottery combined with religion ⚠⚠⚠
2017-12-11 23:28:01
☠☠☠ Is Politics A Threat To Bitcoin Success? ☠☠☠
2017-12-11 22:57:03
☃☃☃ The .01 Theory ☃☃☃ (“Most people own less than .01 BTC […] My theory is the fees will become so high that most people will just hold onto their BTC rather than sell.”)
2017-12-11 21:56:11
✨✨✨ Are we wasting resources to make digital currencies? ✨✨✨
2017-12-11 21:09:24
♨♨♨ Top 10 Reasons To Sell Bitcoin Now ♨♨♨ (“PLEASE DONT Spam the board with anything except reasons to SELL BITCOIN. There are other threads for that” (red colour in original))
2017-12-11 07:10:45
♨♨♨ Bitcoin Fees Are Outrageous ♨♨♨
2017-12-10 06:49:41
♨♨♨ Is Bitcoin A Giant Ponzi Scheme?♨♨♨
2017-12-10 04:23:20
⛔️⛔️⛔️ Is It Time To Cash Out The Profits? ⛔️⛔️⛔️
2017-12-10 03:55:22
♨♨♨ Bitcoin DOWN OVER 16% today!! ♨♨♨
2017-12-10 01:24:13
♨♨♨ Bitcoin DOWN OVER 15% today!! ♨♨♨
2017-12-10 00:29:54
♨♨♨ Bitcoin DOWN OVER 10% Today!! ♨♨♨
2017-12-09 23:16:17
⛔️⛔️⛔️ Is The Current Price Of Bitcoin Practical? ⛔️⛔️⛔️ (“I think a niche group (first 1% of population) who see the vision and the future of crypto have artificially driven this price up so high that it isn't likely the remaining population of the world will buy into it (at the current levels).”)
2017-12-09 21:34:26
✨✨✨ Time To SHORT For Massive Profits!! ✨✨✨

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December 14, 2017, 01:09:34 PM
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Well, I didn’t dig very far into “ulterior motives”, which certainly make this spam in substance as well as frequency.  ShortCoins’ very first post, here preserved in case it gets deleted (subject: “✨✨✨ Time To SHORT For Massive Profits!! ✨✨✨”):

Currently there is not adequate methods to bet on both sides of bitcoin.

But this is all changing starting on December 10th, 2017!!!!

The downfall has already begun  B)

Wallstreet is about to collude and drive the price of bitcoin to the ground. 400+ Billion USD is the amount of profits that are up for grab by shorting bitcoin and altcoins. Wallstreet thrives when the USD $ is strong. They also thrive using questionable practices of collusion and market manipulation.  Theres no way they are going to let crypto currency get in the way of their profits. There is also 0 chance that 99% of the world is going to agree to adopt a currency that has inflated 15,000% by the first 1% to adopt it. Crypto will certainly crash before the remaining 99% of the world population agree to get scammed by the intial 1% of investors. Wallstreet agreed to add options for crypto because it is in their best interest to create a way to short. They will also collect huge on Fees.

The smartest players who drove prices will start to cash in, and then bet on the downfall. Everyone is going to be scrambling to collect in on this 400 Billion USD that was generated off, essentially, a Ponzi Scheme. You can certainly make a lot of money off a Ponzi Scheme as long as the next guy in line continues to buy into the hype. Institutional investors are about to make tons of money off options. Financial leverage is one of the biggest benefits of trading options. I predict the downslope will be as sharp as the rise. 


Good luck, invest responsibly Smiley



After I casually questioned the legalities of FUDding Internet forums while holding a short position on a regulated exchange, ShortCoins started repeatedly, vehemently denying that he holds a short position; e.g.:

Nullius,

You are making yourself look more and more like a clown. Obviously the boards are public. But you come on each and every single board I make to post your bullshit. All of which you just make up on the fly including dumb allegations of FUD and sockpuppetting. I just laugh because of how off you are every time you try to make an assumption about me.

YES, my screen name is a play on words for Shorting Crypto. You are so smart figuring out that Short Coins stands for shorting coins. How the heck did you figure that one out? Let me take back what I said about your dumb comments on FUD and Sockpuppetting because you are a borderline genius for figuring that out.

Just cause my screen name is ShortCoins does not mean I have a short position on bitcoin, you dolt.

Do you stalk people in real life or just on forums? Weirdo.

…and several others I can’t be bothered to link now.  “Doth protest too much.”

It would be implausible to suggest that this not be a lame attempt at profit.

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December 14, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
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Hi mods,

I would like to thank you for running a wonderful forum.

I will be brief because I know you have more important things to do:

- I have asked Nullius at least three times now (very politely) to stop stalking and harassing me on the forums. I don't know what other route to take besides asking him very nicely.

-This is my only account, but Nullius has been spreading lies that I am using many accounts

-Nullius has tried to start fights with me more than once. I have no interest in doing so. I won't waste your time pasting his comments but he has come onto my last 5-10 boards and posted the same spam

-I try to be kind and get along with everyone on the forum, but if there is a way I can block someone who is harassing and stalking me I would feel a bit more safe on the forums.

-I respect all the rules and try my best to provide good insight and not start duplicate topics



Nullius, I hope that we can both be adults about this and move forward. Please don't harass or spread lies about me.
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December 14, 2017, 01:37:11 PM
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Shortcoin, I empathize if this was all just natural and involuntarily but you are really just playing the victim now. Man, you actually were FUDDing and being a typical spammer with those decorations to all you headlines.. Roll Eyes

It doesn't appear that you just have a "different viewpoint" on the longevity or robustness of bitcoin. Normal people don't make obsessive posts filled with emoji headlines about "massive incoming crash" all in a matter of few hours. Shocked

I think this kind of behaviour would be shown by someone who has either lost money on alts or someone who really wants to manipulate opinions. (I don't think you could do that alone though but even then nullius calling you out isn't really a bad thing). Maybe you were just venting.

So, I'd say it'd be best if you desist from such eye grabbing posts and those too in quick succession.

The forum is after all about the improvement and constructive criticism of bitcoin, not for false crash predictions and theories.
I suppose the respect that you are showing to moderators on your previous post, you can also show for the intellect of readers of your posts.


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December 14, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
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I think everyone is confused what FUD means

Being bearish on bitcoin DOES NOT mean I am spreading FUD. Most of my topics are very well researched and I provide sources on a lot of my boards. Instead of providing substance or adding to the conversation, Nullius has simply spammed all my boards with the same (lengthly) false accusations of me having short positions, multiple accounts, and claiming 'FUD' when I am discussing very relevant issues such as rising fees.

I am bear on bitcoin, I am also reasonable and quick to point out many good things about it.

I am looking to engage in conversation about bitcoin with other mature individuals. But it appear Nullius just wants to attack me and try to fight
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December 14, 2017, 01:50:35 PM
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A lot of entities here favor worshiping the new money god that is bitcoin.
And these entities would like everyone else to follow suit and worship the same.
Such conduct is sin and corruption.
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December 14, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
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Dear ShortCoins,
If nullius has the intention to commit sin and fraud by stalking you and spamming your every post, then there is absolutely no way for you to put reason and logic in him.
Because if a person chooses to be wicked and vicious, he will constantly find justifications to tell himself that what he is doing (i.e. stalking and spamming you) is actually right and justified.
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December 14, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
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Oh-ho!  ShortCoins has rattled an “I will have to take action” type of sabre at me via PM:


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Hi Nullius,

I would like to request that you stop stalking and harassing me on the forums. I know I have asked several times already, but I would like you to understand that I am very serious about this. I do not appreciate you spreading lies and trying to start fights with me on the forums. Please, lets be adults and avoid the drama

I am sending this mail so that I have official documentation of me requesting you to stop harassment

I will have to take action if you continue to harass me


Thank you for understanding. Have a nice day.


~ ShortCoins

I wasn’t laughing before; I was upset that the forum was getting clogged with (even more) garbage.  Now, I am laughing.  In n.a.n-a.e., they call that a “cartooney”.

As for the above replies:  In the other threads, I was providing counterarguments to ShortCoins largely in the hope of preventing newbies from being fooled.  A few other reasons, too; but none of them was a desire on my part to waste my time arguing with ShortCoins.  Here in Meta, well—anybody over the age of 30 (and most under) can see straight through the faux reasonable pretense of somebody who got called out for doing bad.  The above-referenced threads are there for review.  I think the mods have seen such things a myriad times (as has anybody who’s dealt with e-mail spam…).  I needn’t explain further.


Edit:  This is what I was trying to say.  “Playing the victim.”

Shortcoin, I empathize if this was all just natural and involuntarily but you are really just playing the victim now.

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December 14, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
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I see what you mean now Dorkie  Tongue

I will just ignore his attacks, because I think he is going to continue to harass me.
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December 14, 2017, 02:23:56 PM
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I see what you mean now Dorkie  Tongue

I will just ignore his attacks, because I think he is going to continue to harass me.

So, ShortCoins now has a supporter, Dorkie.  Among other activities, Dorkie has accused theymos of being part of an “inside job” hacking forum accounts.  Replete with a Bible quote, to warn theymos about Judgment Day.

After the mess documented at the top of this thread, I thought those who read this could use a chuckle.

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So, ShortCoins now has a supporter, Dorkie.  Among other activities, Dorkie has accused theymos of being part of an “inside job” hacking forum accounts.  Replete with a Bible quote, to warn theymos about Judgment Day.

After the mess documented at the top of this thread, I thought those who read this could use a chuckle.

What? Are you pissed? You can come and entertain me if you feel like it.

You should watch your karma.
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December 14, 2017, 02:26:45 PM
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Look... have a clear look.... at all your shitty posts here at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210;sa=showPosts
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December 14, 2017, 02:39:23 PM
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Ah it appears I am not the only person to be harassed by Nullius

After reading through his posts I noticed he starts arguments with many users on the forum. I think his intention is to create drama
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December 14, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
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Nullius' sole objective is to facilitate the mass adoption of bitcoin.
And anyone that somehow put an obstacle to his service (by saying negative things about bitcoin) is being targeted as a threat.
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December 14, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
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Two new ShortCoins threads with overlapping subject matter, posted 10 minutes apart.  Somebody does not know when to stop.  (I tried to edit my OP so as to not bump this; but on preview, all the numerous links showed up broken.  Looks like an SMF bug; not the first time I’ve seen that.  Sorry.)

2017-12-14 15:24:56
☃☃☃ New Crypto Idea! ☃☃☃ (“One thing I personally don't like about Crypto is how wasteful it is when it comes to resources like electricity and man hours.”  Partly duplicates/restates argument set forth in topic started ten minutes before, i.e. that “crypto” is based on waste.)
2017-12-14 15:14:24
✨✨✨ The Reason We Use Money ✨✨✨ (some contorted argument dividing “money” from “crypto”, against the latter; duplicates post made in another thread)

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