[ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade

[GreenWins]

Please promote Quark Song Contest: http://quark.freeforums.net/thread/1242/quark-song-contest

That's pretty interesting. Good luck with the contest.

[dE_logics]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

[dE_logics]

We need a USD exchange.

[aneki]

We need a USD exchange.

Coinmkt is adding Quark to their USD pairing. This will surely boost the Quark spread as well as the price.

[Vernunft]

 Lol I'm getting tired of QRK it doesn't go up. I'm sure it will skyrocket but this is sad, I've invested a lot of money, I'm 70% in QRK. 

[Its About Sharing]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

Wow! Didn't realize they had them. Cost? Computer Models to buy?
And As I said I want to support the network, so profit isn't  #1 but breaking even would be nice.
Thx

[ivanlabrie]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

Wow! Didn't realize they had them. Cost? Computer Models to buy?
And As I said I want to support the network, so profit isn't  #1 but breaking even would be nice.
Thx

For strict cpu mining, I'd say go with a dual xeon with intel ES cpus from Ebay, or get a dual westmere server pre built (you can sometimes find them for 250usd).

You can get a board for 500 and add two 168usd 8 core cpus to it (ebay has em, search for intel es xeon 2011), and a 75usd ram kit, plus a psu and you're good to go. I reccomend the Corsair HX850 which lends itself well to gpu mining should you get a few nvidia cards for CUDA stuff (you can rent your gear for renders maybe? or just get 280X cards, each draws 200w if undervolted and nets you decent income even with high power costs).

[dE_logics]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

Wow! Didn't realize they had them. Cost? Computer Models to buy?
And As I said I want to support the network, so profit isn't  #1 but breaking even would be nice.
Thx

When the difficulty is that high, why are you concerned about sustaining? It's difficulty is OFF THE CHARTS!

If you really want to sustain, just run the wallet on a high speed Internet connection with static IP which's not firewalled. This way new users can download the block chain easily.

[bit.craft]

AMD Bulldozers would yield a decent performance. But the thing is, mining is getting much less profitable day by day. 1 million QRK per year is nothing unless you have (almost) free electricity and/or fast CPUs at a very low price.

[Its About Sharing]

Thanks ivanlabrie, bit.craft and dE_logics for the information. I'll check out what you said ivanlabrie. bit.craft - electricity here in Germany is like .25+ cents - expensive. Perhaps the Xeon's lower wattage is a better decision relative to the AMD's?

dE_logics - The difficulty may be high but that doesn't mean there are lots of miners out there. The difficult is a bit skewed due to the multiple algorithms used (I have heard). And, being that we are hitting the 247+ million mark of coins mined, it is likely the number of miners fall off.

How many connections should I see if my port is forwarded correctly? Even with my port forwarded BTC QT wallet, I only sometimes see 9 connections. (Usually 8 and that is bad)

Thanks in advance,
IAS

[Its About Sharing]

How many connections should I see if my port is forwarded correctly? Even with my port forwarded BTC QT wallet, I only sometimes see 9 connections. (Usually 8 and that is bad)

My Quarkcoin wallet is showing 15 active connections. I have no problem receiving payments, but I ordered one transfer 20 hours ago and I am still waiting (0 of 6 confirmations).

Do I have to open / redirect any port in particular in my NAT / router?

 José Antonio

Looks like yours is open.

I found this "Quark uses 11973 Network port. Please open port 11973 on your router and post your IP there." here: http://altcoins.com/qrk-quark-super-secure-cryptographic-coin.html
Not sure if that is right. Anyone?

[Its About Sharing]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

Wow! Didn't realize they had them. Cost? Computer Models to buy?
And As I said I want to support the network, so profit isn't  #1 but breaking even would be nice.
Thx

For strict cpu mining, I'd say go with a dual xeon with intel ES cpus from Ebay, or get a dual westmere server pre built (you can sometimes find them for 250usd).

You can get a board for 500 and add two 168usd 8 core cpus to it (ebay has em, search for intel es xeon 2011), and a 75usd ram kit, plus a psu and you're good to go. I reccomend the Corsair HX850 which lends itself well to gpu mining should you get a few nvidia cards for CUDA stuff (you can rent your gear for renders maybe? or just get 280X cards, each draws 200w if undervolted and nets you decent income even with high power costs).

Bad news are that these kind of systems consume several hundreds of watts. In Spain (and all of Europe in general) electricity costs about 0.35 USD/KWh, so these systems are not profitable at all.

I am considering options like the recent Atom series C processors. Yo have 8 full cores (no HT) with 64 bit with a mere 20 watt consumption. The board (including the processor) is priced about 400 USD:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SAi-2750F.cfm

Yeah, that is the problem! I pay .28 KW/h and that is huge.

The Atoms have no power from what I have heard. No comparison between them and AMD/Intel desktop chips. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

If you sent a payment and don't see any confirmations, it might be due to having no fee. I noticed my wallet doesn't have one set!

[amertak]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

Wow! Didn't realize they had them. Cost? Computer Models to buy?
And As I said I want to support the network, so profit isn't  #1 but breaking even would be nice.
Thx

For strict cpu mining, I'd say go with a dual xeon with intel ES cpus from Ebay, or get a dual westmere server pre built (you can sometimes find them for 250usd).

You can get a board for 500 and add two 168usd 8 core cpus to it (ebay has em, search for intel es xeon 2011), and a 75usd ram kit, plus a psu and you're good to go. I reccomend the Corsair HX850 which lends itself well to gpu mining should you get a few nvidia cards for CUDA stuff (you can rent your gear for renders maybe? or just get 280X cards, each draws 200w if undervolted and nets you decent income even with high power costs).

Bad news are that these kind of systems consume several hundreds of watts. In Spain (and all of Europe in general) electricity costs about 0.35 USD/KWh, so these systems are not profitable at all.

I am considering options like the recent Atom series C processors. Yo have 8 full cores (no HT) with 64 bit with a mere 20 watt consumption. The board (including the processor) is priced about 400 USD:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SAi-2750F.cfm

Yeah, that is the problem! I pay .28 KW/h and that is huge.

The Atoms have no power from what I have heard. No comparison between them and AMD/Intel desktop chips. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

If you sent a payment and don't see any confirmations, it might be due to having no fee. I noticed my wallet doesn't have one set!

There is a setting for it

[Its About Sharing]

I'd reccomend fx8320 or an fx6300 if you're building lots of rigs.  

I'm all ears, why the 8320? (I'm just building one rig - and I am just gonna do it to support the network - but yeah, I'll take what I can get with Quarks).
Suggestions? (I will use the rig for other things eventually, so probably get a DVD drive, 8GB ram but just on board video - I pay .28 KW/h for electricity, so video card mining is out.)
CPU cooler is a must

Thx

Buy a 4 processor Xeon board.

Don't you see the difficulty? Even that much firepower is NEGLIGIBLE. I think the network hash rate is 4K Mega+

Wow! Didn't realize they had them. Cost? Computer Models to buy?
And As I said I want to support the network, so profit isn't  #1 but breaking even would be nice.
Thx

For strict cpu mining, I'd say go with a dual xeon with intel ES cpus from Ebay, or get a dual westmere server pre built (you can sometimes find them for 250usd).

You can get a board for 500 and add two 168usd 8 core cpus to it (ebay has em, search for intel es xeon 2011), and a 75usd ram kit, plus a psu and you're good to go. I reccomend the Corsair HX850 which lends itself well to gpu mining should you get a few nvidia cards for CUDA stuff (you can rent your gear for renders maybe? or just get 280X cards, each draws 200w if undervolted and nets you decent income even with high power costs).

Bad news are that these kind of systems consume several hundreds of watts. In Spain (and all of Europe in general) electricity costs about 0.35 USD/KWh, so these systems are not profitable at all.

I am considering options like the recent Atom series C processors. Yo have 8 full cores (no HT) with 64 bit with a mere 20 watt consumption. The board (including the processor) is priced about 400 USD:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SAi-2750F.cfm

Yeah, that is the problem! I pay .28 KW/h and that is huge.

The Atoms have no power from what I have heard. No comparison between them and AMD/Intel desktop chips. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

If you sent a payment and don't see any confirmations, it might be due to having no fee. I noticed my wallet doesn't have one set!

There is a setting for it

That is essentially what I said. I was letting him know that might be the problem. (Hence the word "set")

What is the recommended setting these days? I should set it just in case.

[Its About Sharing]

The Atoms have no power from what I have heard. No comparison between them and AMD/Intel desktop chips. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

I am currently mining with 3 atom based computers:

Atom D510 (2 cores, 4 threads, 64 bit, 1.66GHz, 13W, running Ubuntu 13.10)
Atom N550 (2 cores, 4 threads, 64 bit, 1.5GHz, 8.5W, Scientific Linux 6.4)
Atom D525 (2 cores, 4 threads, 64 bit, 1.8GHz, 13W, Scientific Linux 6.4)

With these 3 machines I am getting about 150~200 kh/s

All of them are 3~4 year-old atom processors. These machines are performing their regular tasks ans I run the miner as a low priority process on them, so, not to interfere with their main tasks.

Mining has no effect on power consumption on these machines, so, they are perfect for CPU mining.

I am considering the option of updating the board of one of these servers to the new generation Supermicro boards including the Atom C27xx processor.

Atom C2750 (8 cores, 8 threads, 64 bit, 2.4GHz, 20W).
This processor should have 5.3x the CPU power of the D525 atom, and 1.5x the power consumption

If you sent a payment and don't see any confirmations, it might be due to having no fee. I noticed my wallet doesn't have one set!

I have set a fee of 0.003 QRK. Maybe this is too low?

If you (we  ) could get ~930 kh/S (= ~175 kh/s X ~5.3) I will place an order in the next few days!
That is comparable to an AMD 8350 (I think), someone correct me here.
Do you think these numbers would be accurate?
Are there boards that hold multiple CPU's?  

Just checked, the latest Atom, from Dec 2012 has the following specs: Atom S1260 Dual Core   2.00 GHz    8.6 W
This wiki says they are dual core, not 8 core http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_%28CPU%29 but they don't list the 2750???
Nevermind that.

Re. Fee - It does sound too low, I would guess .01 or so, but am waiting for a reply to my question above.

[stompix]

So , right now , with a blocked reward of 8 coins we have 46080 quakrs mined /day , right?
At a price of 0.087$ this makes the reward 4000$ /day.

Now , if the block reward drops to 1 , miners will only get 500$/day.  And 15 000$/month.
Compared to electricity costs this makes the network look very insecure for the moment.

[dE_logics]

Thanks ivanlabrie, bit.craft and dE_logics for the information. I'll check out what you said ivanlabrie. bit.craft - electricity here in Germany is like .25+ cents - expensive. Perhaps the Xeon's lower wattage is a better decision relative to the AMD's?

dE_logics - The difficulty may be high but that doesn't mean there are lots of miners out there. The difficult is a bit skewed due to the multiple algorithms used (I have heard). And, being that we are hitting the 247+ million mark of coins mined, it is likely the number of miners fall off.

How many connections should I see if my port is forwarded correctly? Even with my port forwarded BTC QT wallet, I only sometimes see 9 connections. (Usually 8 and that is bad)

Thanks in advance,
IAS

Yeah, Xeon is the most efficient powerful processors in the market. That's why they're priced so high. You may also consider VPS, but I seriously doubt the cost effectiveness..

Trust me -- the current difficulty (~5000) is sky high. And at best it'll go down to 3000. Mining Quark based alts, I've realized how much hashing power is required for this difficulty, so I can safely say the network is better off.

Also consider this from my blog --

If someone is wanting to do a 51% attack on a CPU only crypto, his best shot is to buy a lot of VPS for a short period of time; and then it's to be noticed that CPU is something owned by everyone, graphics card and ASICs are not. So expect the difficult to be high cause a lot of people will be mining it. People easily buy a more expensive CPU cause it's generally useful, not only for mining which's the case with ASIC and partially with Graphics chips (in case the miner is not a gamer). So the crypto mining power will be more in the hands of the common people. It's also to be seen that the cost of VPS is mostly for the bandwidth available, not the CPU. The CPU model is not give in the most of the cases, giving a high risk factor. Also VPS cannot be sold off. So the attackers profitability relies completely by selling the coin who's price may decrease rapidly after the attack. Then check pointing makes things more difficult for him.

f almost all coins have already been mined and if there's limited mining of coins forever (like with 2) D)), then the incentive to mine will neither be high or low. If the coin is CPU only (i.e. complex hashing algorithm), then there'll be less initiative to make exclusive mining hardware, cause all coins have already been mined on the CPU. This's going to prevent a 51% attack further. Then people pool mine, they'll use their free CPU cycles to earn a little bit of money driving the difficulty up, further reducing the chance of an attack. This is very likely to happen cause everyone known they got a CPU, everyone has and there's no harm in using it to earn a little bit of money for almost no electricity cost (65W). So difficulty will be up, and still there'll be no incentive to make new mining hardware.

Although I do admit 1 to 2% inflation would've been a better idea. Then there's transaction fee also.

[dE_logics]

So , right now , with a blocked reward of 8 coins we have 46080 quakrs mined /day , right?
At a price of 0.087$ this makes the reward 4000$ /day.

Now , if the block reward drops to 1 , miners will only get 500$/day.  And 15 000$/month.
Compared to electricity costs this makes the network look very insecure for the moment.

You're wrong. The difficulty will fall back, there'll be less miners with more rewards per miner.

Remember I mined 100,000 with a core i3. 

[stompix]

So , right now , with a blocked reward of 8 coins we have 46080 quakrs mined /day , right?
At a price of 0.087$ this makes the reward 4000$ /day.

Now , if the block reward drops to 1 , miners will only get 500$/day.  And 15 000$/month.
Compared to electricity costs this makes the network look very insecure for the moment.

You're wrong. The difficulty will fall back, there'll be less miners with more rewards per miner.

Remember I mined 100,000 with a core i3.  

What am I wrong here?
It doesn't matter if there will be 1 miner or 1000 miners.
Based on the block reward there will be only 1 quark every 30 seconds. And at current price the overall reward for mining will be 15 000$ for all miners. monthly!

How many will keep mining and keep the network secure with such small revenue?
You can't have a secure network with 50 people mining.

[dE_logics]

How many connections should I see if my port is forwarded correctly? Even with my port forwarded BTC QT wallet, I only sometimes see 9 connections. (Usually 8 and that is bad)

My Quarkcoin wallet is showing 15 active connections. I have no problem receiving payments, but I ordered one transfer 20 hours ago and I am still waiting (0 of 6 confirmations).

Do I have to open / redirect any port in particular in my NAT / router?

 José Antonio

The confirmation failed, there was an orphan and your transaction will not included in the newer blocks. There was no withdrawal on the other end too. So ask them to reconsider.