OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes

[Quickseller]

Instead of slinging mud at OgNasty endlessly, could you possibly explain what contract OgNasty violated?

Wth man.  If you think I'm wrong just say so and explain why instead of vaguely implying everything I say is bullshit.

Your posts are full of innuendo but isn’t evidence of wrongdoing. I don’t think there is any question that OgN profited from his pirate pass through, or that investors lost money in his pass through. I think of it as similar to a peer to peer lending platform such as prosper — people buy debt issued by the platform that is contingent on a specific loan being repaid by a specific borrower, the platform will collect a fee to service the loan and will profit even if the borrower doesn’t pay.

You might argue it was unethical for OgN to participate in the pirate ponzi in the first place, but there were many other people also participating. You might also argue that OgN violated a bunch of SEC paperwork rules, but so do most things around here. The amount that OgN may have profited was a few thousand dollars, but it might be zero if he invested his own money in pirates ponzi.

I previously thought that your beef with OgN was that he was running a signature campaign for what turned out to be a shady casino as this is when your scrutiny of him started. But it doesn’t look like you have extended those same concerns to yahoo who is running a campaign for an even more shady business that was known to be shady before the campaign started and that has been running for months. You also haven’t extended those standards to any of the people who have positive trust ratings who are participating in the campaign.

I would suggest that you find a contract, implied or explicit that OgN did not keep. 

[TwitchySeal]

Instead of slinging mud at OgNasty endlessly, could you possibly explain what contract OgNasty violated?

Wth man.  If you think I'm wrong just say so and explain why instead of vaguely implying everything I say is bullshit.

Your posts are full of innuendo but isn’t evidence of wrongdoing. I don’t think there is any question that OgN profited from his pirate pass through, or that investors lost money in his pass through. I think of it as similar to a peer to peer lending platform such as prosper — people buy debt issued by the platform that is contingent on a specific loan being repaid by a specific borrower, the platform will collect a fee to service the loan and will profit even if the borrower doesn’t pay.

You might argue it was unethical for OgN to participate in the pirate ponzi in the first place, but there were many other people also participating. You might also argue that OgN violated a bunch of SEC paperwork rules, but so do most things around here. The amount that OgN may have profited was a few thousand dollars, but it might be zero if he invested his own money in pirates ponzi.

I previously thought that your beef with OgN was that he was running a signature campaign for what turned out to be a shady casino as this is when your scrutiny of him started. But it doesn’t look like you have extended those same concerns to yahoo who is running a campaign for an even more shady business that was known to be shady before the campaign started and that has been running for months. You also haven’t extended those standards to any of the people who have positive trust ratings who are participating in the campaign.

I would suggest that you find a contract, implied or explicit that OgN did not keep.  

Please read what I wrote if you want to discuss it.  It's clear you either haven't or you're intentionally making this thread more complicated than it needs to be.  Start here.

[Vod]

I would suggest that you find a contract, implied or explicit that OgN did not keep. 

I would suggest you sell your mom for a bit more than a satoshi....

https://web.archive.org/web/20140429234623/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0

"WHAT IF BITCOIN SAVINGS & TRUST STOPS PAYING INTEREST?
In the event that BS&T stops paying interest, I will request a withdrawal.  Once received, your funds will be returned to you."

OG received the withdrawal, but did not return the funds.
BS&T did not collapse as far as the relationship between them and OG.   He was made whole, and he scammed his investors.

WHAT ARE THE RISKS INVOLVED?
There are always risks.  The major risks are that pirateat40 or myself will disappear with your funds.  A secondary risk is that BS&T stops paying interest.

- pirateat40 and you did not disappear with any funds
- BS&T stop paying but you had all the investor deposits.
What happened?

What I would do to protect my reputation, is pay out the reserve fund to depositors proportionately to their current deposit as listed on this thread.  It is important that depositors read the information provided in the original post and not make assumptions.

All his future comments point only towards the reserve fund.  He knew the collapse was coming and that is why he offered bonuses if you kept a minimum number of coins with him. 

But the original post always contained the original phrase:
"In the event that BS&T stops paying interest, I will request a withdrawal.  Once received, your funds will be returned to you"

[eddie13]

So the accusation is that OG was fully refunded by BS&T, but told the "investors" that he was not, only paid the reserve to the investors, and pocketed the refund WD from BS&T?

[Vod]

So the accusation is that OG was fully refunded by BS&T, but told the "investors" that he was not, only paid the reserve to the investors, and pocketed the refund WD from BS&T?

That's according to the SEC document where Trendon Shavers mentions his name and spells it out.  

I am sure OG is on record somewhere saying he did receive the coins and he would have to claim he made all his players whole.   I think he just hoped no one would ever find out.

Now you know what pays for his pool, and his panels, and new Telsa trucks... coins from our fellow community members.

[eddie13]

That's according to the SEC document where Trendon Shavers mentions his name and spells it out.  

So I should trust what Trendon Shavers has to say about who he paid? I'm not sure about that..

I am sure OG is on record somewhere saying he did receive the coins.  

Cool, post links..

BTW did you actually call the IRS on OG, putting his life in danger, the 500BTC of forum funds in danger, and possibly the forum itself in legal danger, or did you lie about contacting the IRS?
JJG want's to know too..

[Quickseller]

Instead of slinging mud at OgNasty endlessly, could you possibly explain what contract OgNasty violated?

Wth man.  If you think I'm wrong just say so and explain why instead of vaguely implying everything I say is bullshit.

Your posts are full of innuendo but isn’t evidence of wrongdoing. I don’t think there is any question that OgN profited from his pirate pass through, or that investors lost money in his pass through. I think of it as similar to a peer to peer lending platform such as prosper — people buy debt issued by the platform that is contingent on a specific loan being repaid by a specific borrower, the platform will collect a fee to service the loan and will profit even if the borrower doesn’t pay.

You might argue it was unethical for OgN to participate in the pirate ponzi in the first place, but there were many other people also participating. You might also argue that OgN violated a bunch of SEC paperwork rules, but so do most things around here. The amount that OgN may have profited was a few thousand dollars, but it might be zero if he invested his own money in pirates ponzi.

I previously thought that your beef with OgN was that he was running a signature campaign for what turned out to be a shady casino as this is when your scrutiny of him started. But it doesn’t look like you have extended those same concerns to yahoo who is running a campaign for an even more shady business that was known to be shady before the campaign started and that has been running for months. You also haven’t extended those standards to any of the people who have positive trust ratings who are participating in the campaign.

I would suggest that you find a contract, implied or explicit that OgN did not keep. 

Please read what I wrote if you want to discuss it.  It's clear you either haven't or you're intentionally making this thread more complicated than it needs to be.  Start here.

My apologies, I had not seen that document. Although my criticism does stand with regards to your lack of calling out anyone involved in the yobit campaign..

Elsewhere in the deposition, transaction histories of all the account holders accounts are mentioned, but are not attached to the document. If you can find an account history of OgN's BS&T account, the last withdrawal(s) can be cross referenced to the blockchain (if the txid is not listed), and I will consider the probability if OgN actually received the withdrawal or not.

It was suggested by pirate40's lawyer that some pass-through 'lenders' were scammed by pass-through operators, although the article I read did not mention him offering evidence to support this.

The document you provided was a deposition of pirate40, who for obvious reasons is not the most reliable person. He also contradicted himself on the following page in where he testified to compared to what he told an SEC investigator via telephone previously. He testified that he first gave priority to new account holders, and then prioritized his long standing accounts, but he previously only said that he prioritized his long standing accounts.

I also reviewed posts of some others that pirate40 claimed to have paid in full, however, some never made any mention of pirate40, btc4domains posted that he lost money in the pirate ponzi, brendio posted multiple times that he had not received anything from pirate40, coin_toss tried to sell his BS&T account after he would have received payment. Imsaguy seems to imply that he was expecting a payout for his pass through, but it is unclear if he ever received a withdrawal, he did say in late August 2012 that he had not received anything.

[Vod]

BTW did you actually call the IRS on OG, putting his life in danger, the 500BTC of forum funds in danger, and possibly the forum itself in legal danger, or did you lie about contacting the IRS?
JJG want's to know too..

I have already posted I sent a postal letter to the IRS.  

Did OG post a link containing my name and location, and claim I called myself a pedophile?

What did your morals do there?

I am sure OG is on record somewhere saying he did receive the coins.  

Cool, post links..

Send them to me and I will.  

Let's chat more when you are less biased, ok?  

[eddie13]

I have already posted I sent a postal letter to the IRS.  

Did this postal letter contain the formal accusation of fraud documents (whatever they are called) against OG that you originally threatened?

Did OG post a link containing my name and location, and claim I called myself a pedophile?
What did your morals do there?

I think that was pretty low, but..
This is far from the first time I have seen this link, I believe you referenced it first, it did not originate from OG did it?
It is basically old news, hence not having to be contained to the investigations board..


Anyway, this is off topic..

I want to know if OG middleman scammed his pirate pass through investors or not..

I am sure OG is on record somewhere saying he did receive the coins.  

Cool, post links..

Send them to me and I will.  

Burden of proof is on the accuser.. If their is proof I want to see it, but it's not my job to go find it..
First you need to prove that OG got whatever refund, then you need to prove that he did not pay whatever refund..

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out]

BTW did you actually call the IRS on OG, putting his life in danger, the 500BTC of forum funds in danger, and possibly the forum itself in legal danger, or did you lie about contacting the IRS?
JJG want's to know too..

You are anticipating something that I would like to know, eddie13?  I may have heard something about VOD calling the IRS about OGNasty, but I really cannot remember if I did or not, so I should not be spreading rumors in terms of my own faulty memory regarding that.

Rather than getting derailed into what VOD may have done (Edit: looks like Vod largely responded to this point above to the extent that it might be minimally relevant to anything that we are attempting to discuss here), and I am not sure if it is completely relevant (but sure, it could be relevant, I suppose).

I am a bit more interested in the extent to which posts might have been deleted in terms of OGNasty's own back and forth communications, which seems to be what Twitchy asserted to have happened within a short period of Twitchy's attempted investigation into some of the possible factual matters.   In that regard, I had thought that there should be way back machines or something like that that would establish if Twitch's assertion about OGNasty engaging in shredding would be true.. and then furthermore, a way to see the contents of the shredding attempts without having to rely upon any forum administrator's possible abilities to access such contents.

Am I naive to believe that there are way back machines that would capture the contents of forum post shredding attempts.  There are guys (and perhaps a gal or two) who are way the hell better at using those kinds of interwebs tools than me... to the extent such tools might exist.

[Quickseller]

am a bit more interested in the extent to which posts might have been deleted in terms of OGNasty's own back and forth communications, which seems to be what Twitchy asserted to have happened within a short period of Twitchy's attempted investigation into some of the possible factual matters.   In that regard, I had thought that there should be way back machines or something like that that would establish if Twitch's assertion about OGNasty engaging in shredding would be true.. and then furthermore, a way to see the contents of the shredding attempts without having to rely upon any forum administrator's possible abilities to access such contents.

This is probably a pretty good representation of the thread in question. It is from May 2014, and there were the same number of posts in the thread as of Feb 2016. There are other versions of this thread here, but I expect them to contain the same information, or less information because some of them contain only one page.

[eddie13]

You are anticipating something that I would like to know, eddie13?  I may have heard something about VOD calling the IRS about OGNasty

So what about the auditing part?  

I think you could get caught up by reading my posts in this thread starting here for a couple pages or so..

I am a bit more interested in the extent to which posts might have been deleted in terms of OGNasty's own back and forth communications, which seems to be what Twitchy asserted to have happened within a short period of Twitchy's attempted investigation into some of the possible factual matters.   In that regard, I had thought that there should be way back machines or something like that that would establish if Twitch's assertion about OGNasty engaging in shredding would be true.. and then furthermore, a way to see the contents of the shredding attempts without having to rely upon any forum administrator's possible abilities to access such contents.

Am I naive to believe that there are way back machines that would capture the contents of forum post shredding attempts.  There are guys (and perhaps a gal or two) who are way the hell better at using those kinds of interwebs tools than me... to the extent such tools might exist.

Same here..
I am soooo ready to see some damning evidence against OG after all of this half baked, circumstantial, and speculative attacking of him basically across the entire forum..

Some of the best of the best are here constantly trying to dig at whatever they can find and keep coming up with nothing much, while still insisting he is such a horrible scammer and causing ridiculous amounts of drama..

At this point I really just want to finally be convinced that he is indeed a piece of shit so I can quit caring about all of this, but nothing good yet..

Maybe they got em this time, and if they do, I want to see it..

[JayJuanGee]

You are anticipating something that I would like to know, eddie13?  I may have heard something about VOD calling the IRS about OGNasty

So what about the auditing part?  

I think you could get caught up by reading my posts in this thread starting here for a couple pages or so..

I am a bit more interested in the extent to which posts might have been deleted in terms of OGNasty's own back and forth communications, which seems to be what Twitchy asserted to have happened within a short period of Twitchy's attempted investigation into some of the possible factual matters.   In that regard, I had thought that there should be way back machines or something like that that would establish if Twitch's assertion about OGNasty engaging in shredding would be true.. and then furthermore, a way to see the contents of the shredding attempts without having to rely upon any forum administrator's possible abilities to access such contents.

Am I naive to believe that there are way back machines that would capture the contents of forum post shredding attempts.  There are guys (and perhaps a gal or two) who are way the hell better at using those kinds of interwebs tools than me... to the extent such tools might exist.

Same here..
I am soooo ready to see some damning evidence against OG after all of this half baked, circumstantial, and speculative attacking of him basically across the entire forum..

Some of the best of the best are here constantly trying to dig at whatever they can find and keep coming up with nothing much, while still insisting he is such a horrible scammer and causing ridiculous amounts of drama..

At this point I really just want to finally be convinced that he is indeed a piece of shit so I can quit caring about all of this, but nothing good yet..

Maybe they got em this time, and if they do, I want to see it..

I did not really want to get into the VOD drama unless there is some significant reason that I need to do so.  I am not going to rule out that I may want to look further into the matter, but there is only so much time in the day, and I was just curious about the possible significance of purported deleted posts that Twitchy had brought up regarding OGNasty, and if there is not really much if any significance, then maybe this whole assertion that OGNasty is going to jail is overblown.  So, yeah, I have seen some of the arguments against OGNasty, and surely the trent shavers testimony would only be one aspect, but there would need to be some kind of corroboration, whether evidence of bitcoin addresses or even members complaining that they were not paid while OGNasty seemed to imply that there were no complaints.  There should always be some complaints, but then a question might be whether any of the complaints add up to clear and convincing evidence against OGNasty in terms of whether he engaged in fraudulent behavior or breach of fiduciary behavior or some other means of running off with the funds, and that is what seems to be asserted here.

By the way, I personally doubt that there has to be either direct evidence or even evidence of legal wrong doing in order to drag a person's reputation through the mud regarding conduct that might end up being morally repugnant rather than illegal, so in that sense, the evidence still seems to be a bit ambiguous from my perspective about OGNasty - but I am NOT even saying that I have seen all of the evidence.  Sure, there were some problematic aspects of how he seemed to have handled the forum airdrops, which was kind of what drew me into this seemingly related discussion in the first place, and even with that, I see topics (talking about forum funds and the other pass through entity allegations of this thread) overlapping, and I only have so much time to think about these kinds of OGNasty is a bad guy matters, and sometimes factual matters from different cases could show a pattern of behavior, even if each one of the situations might not stand completely on its own as a violation (like fraud, or breach of fiduciary duty or conversion or whatever), too.

[marlboroza]

I want to know if OG middleman scammed his pirate pass through investors or not..

This is pretty much very simple yes-know question.

@OG have you returned whole amount to depositors? Did pirate return you whole amount, as he claim he did?

[TwitchySeal]

My apologies, I had not seen that document. Although my criticism does stand with regards to your lack of calling out anyone involved in the yobit campaign..

Thanks for reading it.  I have no recollection of you criticizing me about anything involving yobit...I think you might be confusing me with someone else, or I just don't remember.  I don't even really know what happened with yobit other than they used to shit post like crazy.

Elsewhere in the deposition, transaction histories of all the account holders accounts are mentioned, but are not attached to the document. If you can find an account history of OgN's BS&T account, the last withdrawal(s) can be cross referenced to the blockchain (if the txid is not listed), and I will consider the probability if OgN actually received the withdrawal or not.

About half the interest payments and divestment transactions were made from OGs main address.  He didn't receive any large amounts after August 2.

If the feds seized any of Pirates BTC we could probably track them the say way we did with Silk Road Coins and work backwards.

It was suggested by pirate40's lawyer that some pass-through 'lenders' were scammed by pass-through operators, although the article I read did not mention him offering evidence to support this.

If Pirate made a few big refunds to pass-through operators in the middle of the collapse, it would provide an ideal situation to scam a bunch of money for each operator. 

The document you provided was a deposition of pirate40, who for obvious reasons is not the most reliable person. He also contradicted himself on the following page in where he testified to compared to what he told an SEC investigator via telephone previously. He testified that he first gave priority to new account holders, and then prioritized his long standing accounts, but he previously only said that he prioritized his long standing accounts.

At this point, Pirate lying about returning the funds is by far the most likely scenario that ends in Og being not being a thief.  And it's easy to just say 'oh he wasn't trustworthy, OG is, so pirate must be the one lying'.  But the transcript is pretty convincing, Og won't address it, and I don't see what motivation Pirate would have to lie about returning what looks to be ~BTC800 to OgNasty and only a few others.  You could argue he was trying to look nice or just get the number he scammed down I guess. 

Probably the biggest red flag  is how cagey Og has been about the whole thing.  It doesn't make sense if he's innocent.  When he's tried to defend himself it's always a vague, weak or not relevant  argument. Refuses to answer any direct question.  While we have solid, easily accessible proof that from May through July all his investors were making good money and being payed promptly. Why aren't there any details of how the whole thing ended?  He's obviously capable of keeping records and being transparent.  It's possible there's a valid reason...why not just tell us?

If he's guilty, he's probably wary about saying anything that could be disproven at some point in the future, and the truth doesn't make him look good.  The vague deflection and insults would make a lot of sense .

Not saying any of this stuff proves he's 100% guilty, btw.  Just pointing out what I consider pretty big red flags.

I also reviewed posts of some others that pirate40 claimed to have paid in full, however, some never made any mention of pirate40, btc4domains posted that he lost money in the pirate ponzi, brendio posted multiple times that he had not received anything from pirate40, coin_toss tried to sell his BS&T account after he would have received payment. Imsaguy seems to imply that he was expecting a payout for his pass through, but it is unclear if he ever received a withdrawal, he did say in late August 2012 that he had not received anything.

I'll look into these too.  I've already sent a few pms out to investors who may have answers.

I am a bit more interested in the extent to which posts might have been deleted in terms of OGNasty's own back and forth communications, which seems to be what Twitchy asserted to have happened within a short period of Twitchy's attempted investigation into some of the possible factual matters.   In that regard, I had thought that there should be way back machines or something like that that would establish if Twitch's assertion about OGNasty engaging in shredding would be true.. and then furthermore, a way to see the contents of the shredding attempts without having to rely upon any forum administrator's possible abilities to access such contents.

Am I naive to believe that there are way back machines that would capture the contents of forum post shredding attempts.  There are guys (and perhaps a gal or two) who are way the hell better at using those kinds of interwebs tools than me... to the extent such tools might exist.

It looks like I was wrong about him deleting posts from that thread.  It's possible I saw the long OP get deleted and for some reason though it was actually deleted posts, or it could have been in another thread.  It looks like all he did was delete the entire OP and lock the thread.  So, yeah, I was wrong about that and apologize to OG for making that claim.

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here and If I find anything that exonerates him or something I that makes him look 'less bad' I would post it for sure.


For anyone that is behind, please read this post, and then this post if you want to catch up.

[JayJuanGee]

I am a bit more interested in the extent to which posts might have been deleted in terms of OGNasty's own back and forth communications, which seems to be what Twitchy asserted to have happened within a short period of Twitchy's attempted investigation into some of the possible factual matters.   In that regard, I had thought that there should be way back machines or something like that that would establish if Twitch's assertion about OGNasty engaging in shredding would be true.. and then furthermore, a way to see the contents of the shredding attempts without having to rely upon any forum administrator's possible abilities to access such contents.

Am I naive to believe that there are way back machines that would capture the contents of forum post shredding attempts.  There are guys (and perhaps a gal or two) who are way the hell better at using those kinds of interwebs tools than me... to the extent such tools might exist.

It looks like I was wrong about him deleting posts from that thread.  It's possible I saw the long OP get deleted and for some reason though it was actually deleted posts, or it could have been in another thread.  It looks like all he did was delete the entire OP and lock the thread.  So, yeah, I was wrong about that and apologize to OG for making that claim.

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here and If I find anything that exonerates him or something I that makes him look 'less bad' I would post it for sure.


For anyone that is behind, please read this post, and then this post if you want to catch up.

Thanks for that clarification, Twitchy.  I am glad that wayback machine was able to clarify that deleting of posts was not as BIG or widespread as previously recalled, and surely we know that sometimes OPs are rewritten as matters evolve, so sometimes the rewriting of the OP could cause some inadvertent appearances of a cover up that ends up NOT panning out upon further investigation.

[eddie13]

OGNasty seemed to imply that there were no complaints.  There should always be some complaints

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here

Where are the compaints?
If their are no complaints, then why are you even digging for dirt, unless it is a witch hunt?

This shit is ancient and you are just trying to find ancient dirt..
I don't see the intentions of this to make any possible victims whole.. Just to take down OGNasty..

It looks like I was wrong about him deleting posts

I do respect admitting when you are wrong though..

[JayJuanGee]

OGNasty seemed to imply that there were no complaints.  There should always be some complaints

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here

Where are the compaints?
If their are no complaints, then why are you even digging for dirt, unless it is a witch hunt?

Oh gawd... you are going to accuse me of engaging in a witch hunt, too?  Seems to me that I just raised a legitimate connected concept.  I recall OGNasty asserting that there were no complaints, and if there were no complaints, then so be it.   I have life experiences that have shown me that when dealing with people there are frequently if not always some complaints.. and surely, some complaints are materially relevant and others are not.  Let's say, for example, that one of the investors was owed 10BTC, and OGNasty said that he was going to send the 10BTC within 72 hours; however, it took him a week to send the 10BTC.  There might be a complaint about receiving the BTC late, but in the end, many might conclude that the late sending of the BTC was not necessarily a material breach, even though OGNasty had represented that he would send the BTC within 72 hours.  Now if he did not send the 10 BTC or he only sent 2 BTC that might be another story. 

Another example would be if OGNasty said that he was only going to send 2 BTC because he was only paying 20% of the amount owed which was apportionate to the whole amount of the funds that were available, but if OGNasty later got reimbursed the additional 8 BTC with the presumption that OGNasty was receiving that additional reimbursement to pay off any additional claims, there might not have been any complaints if the intended recipient did not realize that OGNasty had received the additional 8BTC but had not used those funds for reimbursement....

So, in any case, the absence of complaints might not prove the point that is at issue, and if some investors later find out that they were provided with false or misleading facts, then they might choose to later complain even though they had not complained earlier.   I am just saying that complaints might or might not be relevant, even at a later stage of looking into the matter.

This shit is ancient and you are just trying to find ancient dirt..

Perhaps everything is ancient.  I have no fucking clue.  If new evidence comes out, and affected people just find out about the new information, then the situation might no longer be "ancient" because there is the revelation of new information. 

I haven't seen any mention of the intentions of this to make any possible victims whole.. Just to take down OGNasty..

I don't know.  I already revealed how my attention was drawn to this, which was initially the various posts about the airdropped coins that led into this information, and if there is just digging up old information then I may have missed that, and I have no intention to rehash old information, to the extent that might be happening. 

[philipma1957]

I want to know if OG middleman scammed his pirate pass through investors or not..

This is pretty much very simple yes-know question.

@OG have you returned whole amount to depositors? Did pirate return you whole amount, as he claim he did?

so did pirate lie.

or did og lie.

the worth of the coins was as low as six dollars in 2012

and as high as 40

so the value when and if received was 6 x 2500= 15,000
to 40 x 2500= 100000

if he received them you would need to prove it.

all we have is the word of a liar pirate that he got them.

but at least i finally understand some of the vod vs og feud and why many people don't like og.

my dealings with og have been a few sales to him and he did some escrows for me.


good luck to og proving he did not get the 2500coins
good luck to anyone proving og did get the 2500 coins


which ever one is true is hopefully found out and proven.

as for how to evaluate what the coins are worth.

if og did get them.  as i stated they are worth 15,000 to 100,000


you then would trace them and see how and when they were disposed of.

ie if hodl on some those are worth more.
if sold,quickly those are worth less.


but your bottom line is a thief that was convicted is the only evidence that og,received payment  of 2500 coins.

[TwitchySeal]

OGNasty seemed to imply that there were no complaints.  There should always be some complaints

I'm seriously not out on a Witch Hunt here

Where are the compaints?
If their are no complaints, then why are you even digging for dirt, unless it is a witch hunt?

Yeah, that's been Ogs defense also.  I'm alleging that the guys that lost their deposits think Pirateat stole their money, but Og is the one that stole it.  That's why.

If his investors found out that he pocketed their deposits 8 years ago though, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince a bunch of people to loan him money to send to Butterfly labs a year later.

And then when BFL turned out to be a big ponzi, he probably wouldn't have been able to convince the people he couldn't pay back to accept 5,000 'seats' into the OgNasty fan club.

Witch Hunt implies that the truth is irrelevant.  All that matters is we get to set a witch on fire.