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[Maged]

The hack was not an inside job. I find people who accuse that insulting.

The mere fact that you were using Linode is a definitive proof that it was an inside job.

It is a well known fact that virtual private servers are not secure enough to host Bitcoin wallets.

Moreover, Bitcoinica was hacked via Linode: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3629/what-is-the-story-behind-the-linode-problem

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66979.0

Obviously, you knew about that, so you used Linode as a convenient disguise for an inside job.

There are two possibilities: either you're a complete moron who ignored a well-known attack, which was already demonstrated a couple of times; or it was an inside job.

Is this insulting? Well, you stole money from people, you deserve to be insulted.

Absolutely agreed. Using Linode, which has been compromised on many occasions by their own technicians, goes beyond incompetence. You really have to wonder if this hack was intentional.

[danieldaniel]

The hack was not an inside job. I find people who accuse that insulting.

The mere fact that you were using Linode is a definitive proof that it was an inside job.

It is a well known fact that virtual private servers are not secure enough to host Bitcoin wallets.

Moreover, Bitcoinica was hacked via Linode: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3629/what-is-the-story-behind-the-linode-problem

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66979.0

Obviously, you knew about that, so you used Linode as a convenient disguise for an inside job.

There are two possibilities: either you're a complete moron who ignored a well-known attack, which was already demonstrated a couple of times; or it was an inside job.

Is this insulting? Well, you stole money from people, you deserve to be insulted.

Absolutely agreed. Using Linode, which has been compromised on many occasions by their own technicians, goes beyond incompetence. You really have to wonder if this hack was intentional.

I'm not wondering at all.

[mobile]

...
For the moment I have to say thanks for the people that are actively pushing me up.
Thanks majamalu from elbitcoin.org to tell my story and teach people how to keep their bitcoins safe.
Thanks Dumbfruit for gathering information about all this.
Thanks Mobile for your moral support and english class.
...

No problem buddy, hang in there man & keep your head up (this line is meant for all of us). The statements and actions done thus far via TF regarding Coinlenders give me some hope that perhaps in the coming months, are loans may fair out better then we expect and what we've seen for the inputs.io wallet balances.

Its true that ignorance is sometimes bliss, being naive is being a sucker, nice guys finish last but patience is a virtue...(this is somehow relevant to the discussion at hand.)

Adding to the discussion further on the above comments. I would just be happy to get my principle back but then again, until the time comes and everything Ive written above, is just small talk. Cheers...

[The 4ner]

Two things;

-TradeFortress owes his customers principal + interest. He can't just pretend interest didn't happen in his calculations.

-If CoinLenders users would like to give up the interest they accrued to Inputs.io users that is their decision when they are paid back, but if TradeFortress does it, that is theft.

Agreed!

[TwinWinNerD]

Two things;

-TradeFortress owes his customers principal + interest. He can't just pretend interest didn't happen in his calculations.

-If CoinLenders users would like to give up the interest they accrued to Inputs.io users that is their decision when they are paid back, but if TradeFortress does it, that is theft.

Agreed!

you guys are funny. You realize that it isn't even sure that you will get your principal without a cut?
What exactely do you imply? If he had the money to fully reimburse us, he would probably do so, but as he cant he has to make a point where he has to distribute losses...

[BCB]

You guys are being played like a fiddle. He playing you now by returning nominal amounts, double spending payments and giving other shreads of hope that you may get some of your precious bitcoins back just like he played you by forcing you to to use inputs.io to get money into and out of coinlenders. TF claims the hacker used "social engerning" to gain access to his system when the fact is he is the ultimate Social Engineer. Kudos to you TradeFortress.

[The 4ner]

Two things;

-TradeFortress owes his customers principal + interest. He can't just pretend interest didn't happen in his calculations.

-If CoinLenders users would like to give up the interest they accrued to Inputs.io users that is their decision when they are paid back, but if TradeFortress does it, that is theft.

Agreed!

you guys are funny. You realize that it isn't even sure that you will get your principal without a cut?
What exactely do you imply? If he had the money to fully reimburse us, he would probably do so, but as he cant he has to make a point where he has to distribute losses...

I doubt he would. My point is why should CL users have to lose out on profits earned through interest because of TF's irresponsibility?
CL users are not at fault and shouldn't have to suffer any cuts to their fair earnings. We left bitcoins at CL to be earning interest!

[dwdoc]

My point is why should CL users have to lose out on profits earned through interest...?

Because the bitcoins are gone.

[DumbFruit]

you guys are funny. You realize that it isn't even sure that you will get your principal without a cut?
What exactely do you imply? If he had the money to fully reimburse us, he would probably do so, but as he cant he has to make a point where he has to distribute losses...

TradeFortress needs to lay out what the situation is, what assets are available, and formulate specifically how he is going to do everything he can to make the victims of his mistake whole. We should not mince words here that "whole" means the sum of principal and interest for every user.

I am sure that is what TradeFortress has been trying to do ever since the hack on the Oct 23rd. Had I not thought TradeFortress was competent and upstanding individual, I would never have deposited with him to begin with, and the fact that he has not removed interest from our accounts suggests that he understands the point in question.

You should not sell yourselves short even before we have a good understanding about what the situation is.

[mccoyspace]

.... he is the ultimate Social Engineer. Kudos to you TradeFortress.

Yup

[bradyon]

I´ve no words today...

Good to know that some people here like my beloved Dumbfruit and Mobile, do have words.

Tradefortress, how long will it it take you to tell us further info? This is being indescriptibly painful for everybody...

[mccoyspace]

"Next Week" Watch.

Last week TF said we would hear something 'next week.' Monday is now over with no word.

[The 4ner]

My point is why should CL users have to lose out on profits earned through interest...?

Because the bitcoins are gone.

Yes but the bitcoins stolen were solely Inputs.io funds weren't they? If not, then what was TF thinking merging CL funds with that of Inputs!? -.-

[dwdoc]

...what was TF thinking merging CL funds with that of Inputs!? -.-

I think we are all wondering about that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283756.msg3505336#msg3505336

[batman, not crabman]

Surely it isn't much work to go back to the old system where we can withdraw straight to a wallet.
CL used to be able to withdraw directly to wallets, it can't be that hard to re-implement.

I 'have' my BTC back, but I don't have my BTC back if you know what I mean.  Essentially I have nothing.

[dwdoc]

Surely it isn't much work to go back to the old system where we can withdraw straight to a wallet.
CL used to be able to withdraw directly to wallets, it can't be that hard to re-implement.

I 'have' my BTC back, but I don't have my BTC back if you know what I mean.  Essentially I have nothing.

The BTC are not back. They were in the Inputs.io wallet which was hacked. All you have is a number in your account followed by whatever and whenever TF decides to scrape together in an attempt to placate us.

[BTCdude007]

Guys, don't get your hopes too high. Forget about interest, there will be a substantial principal cut.

I got this email from TF a couple days back when I asked about withdrawing some coins from Coinlenders.

"Quite frankly due to two Inputs hacks as well as the Ukyo/Graet effectively
defaulting we don't have enough BTC to pay everyone out. I'll let you know
soon."

Still waiting to hear back...

[gaston909]

I just got my full balance in CL out (over 20 BTC). Although transaction hasn't been confirmed yet, I now declare that TF has earned my full trust.

did you mail coinlenders support?

I mailed to support@inputs.io

[ChaosFox]

Guys, don't get your hopes too high. Forget about interest, there will be a substantial principal cut.

I got this email from TF a couple days back when I asked about withdrawing some coins from Coinlenders.

"Quite frankly due to two Inputs hacks as well as the Ukyo/Graet effectively
defaulting we don't have enough BTC to pay everyone out. I'll let you know
soon."

Still waiting to hear back...

Hmph. Well, not exactly surprised. 

It's the dawn of a new day. I really hope he's sending that email soon.

[mccoyspace]

I made my deposits on Nov 1 and Nov 5, well after the hack and the ukyo/graet defaults.
it's nice to know that I personally bailed out some people secretly in the know.

fun.