Rejoice! Actmyname is soon to be demoted

[actisstupidname]

The racist elitist, actmyname will soon be gone from Bitcointalk! Thank you, Jesus for level-headed admins. Goodbye, gunslinging idiot.




"When you fight against shit posts with a shit-face asshole, you get more of the shit."

I think that actmyname has been too hasty with some of his negatives, but I haven't had time to look carefully enough into it to justify making forceful changes. I did exclude actmyname from my trust list, so another DT1 could remove him from the default trust network by doing the same.

Now, I'm not 100% sure that actmyname's ratings are outside of what I would consider appropriate, which is why I didn't take action to immediately remove him. But from what I've seen, it does seem likely that he is too trigger-happy.

[1715106984]

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[Lauda]

@theymos: This is usually a sign that you should discuss the ratings with Actmyname and revoke the exclusion.

[MadZ]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but unless another member of DT-1 excludes him as well, he will still be in DT-2.

[pugman]

Here comes the sadist Butthurt troll!
But actmyname most likely won't leave Bitcointalk just because of the fact that he may be removed from DT.  He'll still continue to do what he used to do before he was a DT member. Just go away.

[Jet Cash]

There seems to be too much political in fighting here. Am I the only one who uses the ignore button.

[actisstupidname]

My trust ratings is plain black. Could you please add some red color into it. It's so boring looking. Come on, do it. I want you to jizz while you do it.

Paint me red cuz I scammed you with the shittiest post ever.   Better yet be Godlike and delete this thread out of existence and ban me!

To the sycophants, keep on toeing the line, you'll get that precious merits eventually, lmao.

[TMAN]

My trust ratings is plain black. Could you please add some red color into it. It's so boring looking. Come on, do it. I want you to jizz while you do it.

Paint me red cuz I scammed you with the shittiest post ever.   Better yet be Godlike and delete this thread out of existence and ban me!

To the sycophants, keep on toeing the line, you'll get that precious merits eventually, lmao.

Why not post from your main account then fella?

[nullius]

Ooh!  A contrarian endorsement!  This is the best proof yet that actmyname is working magic to clean up the forum.  From n.a.n-a.e., it is well proved that efficacy at spamfighting can be judged directly by the level of desperate screaming, impotent revenge threats, psychotic counter-accusations, etc., etc. from spammers.

actmyname, if the post at the top of this thread weren’t such an eyesore, I’d suggest that you should frame it and hang it on your wall.  Too bad, spammers and their leavings are so aesthetically displeasing.

I envy actmyname.  When do I get to have some spammer make an account “ihatenullius” and post a bunch of trash talk about me?  I have some cred.  Why, I insulted a man so badly that he gave me +50 for it.  But I am as yet many leagues away from achieving actmyname’s calibre of incurring spammers’ hatred.  Forsooth, it is an inspiration:  I must needs work harder.

Why not post from your main account then fella?

I am guessing that his main accounts (plural—all ten or twenty or two hundred of them) are already dripping blood-red, anyway.  So, the only reason is that he’s a coward.

[LeGaulois]

OP forgot to post something important to the context

It's too early to get a clear picture, but my thoughts so far:

First, most people complaining about merit are constantly posting garbage, and should not rank-up. The forum is not a welfare system

I agree and I see no problem to apply this. (off topic: This says I would like to see the moderators more strict than they are currently.)

OP is surely a teenager so brave that he can't use his/her original account...

I think I 'm going to avoid the Meta section for a month or two, so tired with people crying and all the topics created about merit, merit this, merit that

[nullius]

I think I 'm going to avoid the Meta section for a month or two, so tired with people crying and all the topics created about merit, merit this, merit that

Oh, I hear you there.  Nevertheless, I myself have been spending more time in Meta, at the expense of other things.  The merit system has great promise as new hope for the forum.  The earliest stages are the most critical, as precedents are set and a culture develops around it.  It could be poisoned and irreparably corrupted at this stage—for example, if a precedent were set for social acceptability of begging.  Or it could be strongly established and wound with social conventions which prohibit such corruption.  The difference is up to us.

The most important time to pay attention to the merit system is now, even if it means suffering through a profusion of “merit blah blah merit blah” threads.  The whining may seem interminable; but it will indeed terminate, if things go right.  By the time the merit system ceases to be a “hot issue” and discussion thereof dies down, we will have passed the critical early-stage point of determining what the merits system will mean in the future.

OP here is evidence that actmyname is doing a superlative job of protecting the merit system in its infancy, helping to nurture its growth, and setting the right precedents for future expectations.

Yes, I myself will be spending some more time in Meta for awhile.

[actmyname]

The racist

What? I am?

Better yet be Godlike and delete this thread out of existence and ban me!

Yet again you think I have greater power than I actually do. I cannot ban anyone.

[nullius]

Better yet be Godlike and delete this thread out of existence and ban me!

Yet again you think I have greater power than I actually do. I cannot ban anyone. ::)

But you = theymos = the CIA.  This poor, oppressed soul fears that you will ban him, then subject him to “extraordinary rendition”.

(You know it’s coming...)

[ducdr]

What a joke! Creating new account, then creating spamming thread to argue about actmyname. I don't think users support the topics creator. Why not try with your main account? Please get out of the forum, fella.

[justine11]

Well i think that actmyname has doing the right thing against merit abusers and tagging those exposed account farmers in that list so, i think he deserve this DT-2 position. anyways only theymos crossed out actmyname on his trust list he need 1 more DT-1 member to exclude him to DT-2 list amd i don't think anyone in DT-1 members (except theymos) will cross him out the list.

[Quickseller]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but unless another member of DT-1 excludes him as well, he will still be in DT-2.

theymos excluding his is a pretty strong message.

From a technical standpoint, either Blazed needs to remove actmyname from his trust list, or someone else trusted by DefaultTrust needs to exclude him, however Blazed may very well be at risk of being removed from being trusted by DefaultTrust if he does not remove actmyname.

[JinCrypts]

Well, I think that ActMyName did what he think is right. Painting red trust to those people who post shits is a good way to punish those milkers from bounty who has zero contribute to the forum. Anyway since theymos once stated that red trust is not supposed to be use for spam, actmyname and others comply with it. So to the OP chill bro, dont be butt here and just appreciate the DT who wants a better forum for its members.

[tekusa]

It is said that your happiness depends on the demotion of other members here on the forum. Get a life.

[udppro]

@theymos: This is usually a sign that you should discuss the ratings with Actmyname and revoke the exclusion.

ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2853057.0


Hey Lauda, You will also be a legendary in here above but into the life as person you are shit because you abuse of the your position in the forum to de-qualify the trust of a person honest.

[Lauda]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but unless another member of DT-1 excludes him as well, he will still be in DT-2.

theymos excluding his is a pretty strong message.

No.

From a technical standpoint, either Blazed needs to remove actmyname from his trust list, or someone else trusted by DefaultTrust needs to exclude him, however Blazed may very well be at risk of being removed from being trusted by DefaultTrust if he does not remove actmyname.

Wrong; there is no risk for Blazed whatsoever. Stop harassing others, you basement dwelling pest. Oh right, now I see why: -1010: -10 / +14.

Now, I'm not 100% sure that actmyname's ratings are outside of what I would consider appropriate, which is why I didn't take action to immediately remove him. But from what I've seen, it does seem likely that he is too trigger-happy.

This is easily corrected between the two users.
Other than the escrow scammer/account farmer, and OP, everyone is in support of actmyname in this thread.

[nullius]

Stop harassing others, you basement dwelling pest. Oh right, now I see why: -1010: -10 / +14.

Lauda, take a chill pill.  You’re only sore at Quickseller because he was brave enough to dare deny that you are theymos.  Hurt your ego, did it?  Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day—and even a Quickseller must be honest at least once in a lifetime.  He pwned you there, revealing THE TRUTH that you are not theymos.

Other than the escrow scammer/account farmer, and OP, everyone is in support of actmyname in this thread.

[Lauda]

Lauda, take a chill pill.  You’re only sore at Quickseller because he was brave enough to dare deny that you are theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1912107.msg18974863#msg18974863).  Hurt your ego, did it?  Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day—and even a Quickseller must be honest at least once in a lifetime.  He pwned you there, revealing THE TRUTH that you are not theymos.

Sorry, the truth can be painful sometimes.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So what's currently the status of this?  Is actmyname on DT or not?  Am I still in DT?  I don't know how to check without modifying my trust list, and it's incredibly difficult to do that on my phone, which is ancient.  You can call me a retard and I won't argue with you.  The flu has kicked my ass for the past 11 days and I am still a bit scrambled.

I don't think the issue here is actmyname leaving negs for shitposters.  I think it was for him negging the merit system abusers, correct?  I think we've both agreed to remove feedback we left for the spammers, but it would seem that it'd be an easy enough task for him to remove the latter feedbacks in order to preserve his DT status.  I definitely think actmyname should be in DT.  He's doing a great job tagging idiots and obviously cares about the forum.

[Lauda]

So what's currently the status of this?  Is actmyname on DT or not?  Am I still in DT? 

Yes. It requires 2 exclusions to nullify an inclusion.

I don't think the issue here is actmyname leaving negs for shitposters.  I think it was for him negging the merit system abusers, correct?  I think we've both agreed to remove feedback we left for the spammers, but it would seem that it'd be an easy enough task for him to remove the latter feedbacks in order to preserve his DT status.  I definitely think actmyname should be in DT.  He's doing a great job tagging idiots and obviously cares about the forum.

Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.

[actmyname]

Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.

So in this case, should we only tag users that we are strictly sure are abusing the merit system?

i.e. not through circumstantial merit exchanges of large amounts but rather threads or other media that voice merit trading/selling?Seems like it'll let alt rings get away scot-free and will also let people who do off-site trading boost their merit.

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.

[pugman]

Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.

So in this case, should we only tag users that we are strictly sure are abusing the merit system?

i.e. not through circumstantial merit exchanges of large amounts but rather threads or other media that voice merit trading/selling?Seems like it'll let alt rings get away scot-free and will also let people who do off-site trading boost their merit.

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.

If I may, the reason why theymos doesn't like the idea of tagging people who are sending and receiving merits who *may be* alt accounts of others, and the merit system being newfangled, its only right for him to feel it is indispensable for him to avoid such behavior by the DT members, rather wait for some more time and then with more proof people can be tagged.

This is how rumors start.  :/

OH crap! My bad, didn't think of that.
edited..

[Vod]

Though tagging won't be necessary as theymos did mention that their merits would soon be decayed.

This is how rumors start.  :/

[nullius]

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.

There is a commonplace misconception that “circumstantial evidence” means weak evidence.  Even in a criminal court which requires the standard of proof “beyond a reasonable doubt” (also known as “moral certainty”), it is indeed possible to obtain a conviction based exclusively on circumstantial evidence.  As a practical matter, this is very difficult, and should rarely happen.  But it does happen; and there’s nothing wrong with that in principle.

Of course, this is neither a law court nor a criminal proceeding.  I am only pointing out that “circumstantial evidence” can meet even the most demanding standards.  The question is not whether the evidence be “circumstantial”, but rather, whether it be strong enough to meet whatever standard you are applying.

(Also n.b. that even the most demanding standards do not demand absolute certainty—only “moral certainty”.  If the only possible way the accused didn’t do it is that space aliens did it instead, then you can’t be absolutely certain of his guilt.  You can’t be absolutely certain that space aliens didn’t do it!  You can’t even prove that aliens don’t exist!  But you can be “morally certain”, beyond any reasonable doubt.  Reasonable people understand that.  Absolute certainty does not exist in this world.)

If I were in your position, I would aim somewhere between the standard of “clear and convincing evidence“, and that of “the preponderance of the evidence”.  The latter seems relatively weak to me; but it’s good enough for winning a big-money lawsuit most places in the Anglo/American influenced parts of the world.  That seems it ought suffice for distrust-tagging people accused of abuse on an Internet forum.  I’d want to aim a bit higher, because I would also desire to be highly careful about not stomping on innocent users.  I don’t like hurting innocent people.  I would also have a zero-tolerance policy for anybody who was even a little bit guilty.  This forum now has a great opportunity to recover from having been buried in garbage.  It is not enhanced by the presence of people who believe in being halfway honest, and just try to cheat the new system a little bit—the same way they just cheated a little bit on school tests, when they wished to merit a passing grade.

As food for thought, and not to suggest any sort of legal proceeding or legal implications, here is an intentionally cute layout of a spectrum of standards of proof; treat this as if I made it all up on the spot:

• Reasonable (articulable) suspicion:  You have a suspicion which can be clearly explained in reasonable terms.  More than a mere hunch; much more than a guess.  But still no more than a suspicion.
• Probable cause:  On the face of things (at first sight, “prima facie”), the accused probably did it.
• Preponderance of the evidence:  Evidence of guilt outweighs evidence of innocence.  Implemented via those balance scales you see carved into statues of blindfolded ladies.  Note:  This requires reasonable thoroughness in loading both sides of the scale, not just stuffing one side and jumping to a conclusion.
• Clear and convincing evidence:  Evidence of guilt is strong.  Evidence of innocence is weak or nonexistent.
• Moral certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt:  The only way he didn’t do it is if space aliens did it instead.

I hope that helps provide materials for a mental framework to support tagging decisions (past or future) which will gain not only your own confidence, but also theymos’.  For your work has been important for the forum’s well-being as a community at a critical moment.  Based on the timing, I have a reasonable suspicion that the DDoS attack expressed displeasure over the merit system.  Thank you for your efforts to protect it, actmyname.

He pwned you there, revealing THE TRUTH that you are not theymos.

Sorry, the truth can be painful sometimes.

I’m sorry I hurt your feelings, Lauda.  My heart bleeds negative-trust red.

[Ucy]

There seems to be too much political in fighting here. Am I the only one who uses the ignore button.

Forum needs a strong BLOCK button. I think it will make people a bit more careful with silly utterances.

[Lauda]

Correct; the problem isn't for tagging actual merit system abusers, but rather tagging users where there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.

So in this case, should we only tag users that we are strictly sure are abusing the merit system?

i.e. not through circumstantial merit exchanges of large amounts but rather threads or other media that voice merit trading/selling?Seems like it'll let alt rings get away scot-free and will also let people who do off-site trading boost their merit.

Well, defining what *definite abuse* of the merit system (without a direct alt account connection) is somewhat hard. IMO, in cases where there is no clear alt connection you should watch for more signs of abuse (not just points sent once or twice between a few people).

I'm willing to retract some ratings that are circumstantial but I believe there are at least some that seem pretty absolute.

Indeed.

As food for thought, and not to suggest any sort of legal proceeding or legal implications, here is an intentionally cute layout of a spectrum of standards of proof; treat this as if I made it all up on the spot:

• Reasonable (articulable) suspicion:  You have a suspicion which can be clearly explained in reasonable terms.  More than a mere hunch; much more than a guess.  But still no more than a suspicion.
• Probable cause:  On the face of things (at first sight, “prima facie”), the accused probably did it.
• Preponderance of the evidence:  Evidence of guilt outweighs evidence of innocence.  Implemented via those balance scales you see carved into statues of blindfolded ladies.  Note:  This requires reasonable thoroughness in loading both sides of the scale, not just stuffing one side and jumping to a conclusion.
• Clear and convincing evidence:  Evidence of guilt is strong.  Evidence of innocence is weak or nonexistent.
• Moral certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt:  The only way he didn’t do it is if space aliens[1] did it instead.

The 4th case is the simplest, and I think that was what theymos was aiming at with his statement of clear abuse. However, as per your post as well, I believe this to be short-sighted. It's very easy for people to abuse the merit system, people which are not alts of each other, via outside communication channels. If we were to completely skip the first three standards, then we would probably miss the majority of abusers.

Based on the timing, I have a reasonable suspicion that the DDoS attack expressed displeasure over the merit system.  Thank you for your efforts to protect it, actmyname.

I haven't though about that. If it were the case, then the account farming business is even heavier than I expected.

Forum needs a strong BLOCK button. I think it will make people a bit more careful with silly utterances.

Go away deep onion shill.
[1] Replace space aliens with space cats. Thanks.

[Seccour]

I have only one thing against Actmyname. It's the fact that he did give a negative trust to one member of the french community for selling merit (which is not the case) while not understanding the language or the discussion that was happening for that member to send the merit.

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police. So don't destroy accounts reputation for things you don't even understand.

[actmyname]

I have only one thing against Actmyname. It's the fact that he did give a negative trust to one member of the french community for selling merit (which is not the case) while not understanding the language or the discussion that was happening for that member to send the merit.

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police. So don't destroy accounts reputation for things you don't even understand.

Okay. I looked at the posts again. For someone that is using merit for the first time, it may be possible that ZenFR wanted to stress the importance of the bad deal.Only the second one is a little bit unsound but it's understandable why the user would send the same amount to a post of agreement.

Instead of retaliatory feedback and trust exclusions, the situation could have been explained rather than supporting members stating, "you don't know the reason for the merit". Doesn't really help. Especially since ZenFR never reached out to me themselves (rather, it was another user that decided to PM me about it and then never followed up), I just treated it like another case of a raging red-trusted user. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On peut faire des erreurs. Removed now.

[Jet Cash]

On peut faire des erreurs. Removed now.

I gave you a merit for correcting an admitted error.

I guess this will be construed as another unpopular merit award by that loose canon Jet Cash.

[Tipsters]

What to rejoice? Actmyname is doing his best to lessen the toxics here in our community, I really think that he is commendable because he used his precious time to track down shitposters and account farmers that doesn't contribute anything here in the forum they only care about being paid at the bounty even though they are not deserving pfffft.

[actmyname]

Just as an update, I'm investigating the accounts now to double check for possible other alts and connectivity.

So far I've cemented the linkage of two users and removed two negatives.
That is, IvanBerkut and ZenFR are now no longer tagged.

[greeklogos]

Here comes the sadist Butthurt troll!
But actmyname most likely won't leave Bitcointalk just because of the fact that he may be removed from DT.  He'll still continue to do what he used to do before he was a DT member. Just go away.

Yes, removing from DT1 will not mean a thing to actmyname and he will continue his way. You and other people who complain on this person just have no power to remove him from the forum. To be removed he should break forum's rules and become banned by theymos, but while he is just commenting he will stau\y here as long as he wishs.

[enigmatical]

Just as an update, I'm investigating the accounts now to double check for possible other alts and connectivity.

So far I've cemented the linkage of two users and removed two negatives.
That is, IvanBerkut and ZenFR are now no longer tagged.

Please actmyname, kindly remove the negative trust you tagged on me,  I know I was guilty and I honestly didn't understand how this merit thing works, I sent an undeserving merit to alltimer , my bad.  I read if I keep sMerits there's no point as it may be decayed by system. I am wrong at what I did. I urge you to please remove this negative trust. I have kept a clean slate, this is my first default, am indeed sorry for this.

I have reached out to you via PM 72hrs after just as you stipulated but I got no response. I really don't know how best I can reach out to you again.

[asapjoshyy]

Just as an update, I'm investigating the accounts now to double check for possible other alts and connectivity.

So far I've cemented the linkage of two users and removed two negatives.

That is, IvanBerkut and ZenFR are now no longer tagged.

Please actmyname, kindly remove the negative trust you tagged on me,  I know I was guilty and I honestly didn't understand how this merit thing works, I sent an undeserving merit to alltimer , my bad.  I read if I keep sMerits there's no point as it may be decayed by system. I am wrong at what I did. I urge you to please remove this negative trust. I have kept a clean slate, this is my first default, am indeed sorry for this.

I have reached out to you via PM 72hrs after just as you stipulated but I got no response. I really don't know how best I can reach out to you again.

he doesnt care at all hes some loser 15 year old kid that think hes a neg trust police its actually hilarious to watch.... i literally pleaded being deadly honest saying i did mess up and i honestly didnt think saying ill merit your good post for my good post was some sort of scam or cheat when the system is literally to merit good posts? but ok i took the blame anyways and said i messed up , but my account should be negged forever??? ive been around 6 months and never did one bad thing i make a 1 merit mistake and my accounts ruined because some kid who think hes an FBI forum agent? makes 0 sense to me and i dont think its right at all... people mess up and misinterpret things, its called giving a 2nd chance but he just brushed it off "negged stays" without even giving a way back in saying help the community out for a month or something, its not a death sentence to mess up one time slightly, i didnt hack an account, i didnt farm accounts, i didnt do anything bad to the community... its a joke , i was banned 7 days and learned my lesson .... then come back day of to my account ruined by a seperate guy who knows nothing about the situation , now my account is ruined

[actmyname]

he doesnt care at all hes some loser 15 year old kid that think hes a neg trust police its actually hilarious to watch.... i literally pleaded being deadly honest saying i did mess up and i honestly didnt think saying ill merit your good post for my good post was some sort of scam or cheat when the system is literally to merit good posts? but ok i took the blame anyways and said i messed up , but my account should be negged forever??? ive been around 6 months and never did one bad thing i make a 1 merit mistake and my accounts ruined because some kid who think hes an FBI forum agent? makes 0 sense to me and i dont think its right at all... people mess up and misinterpret things, its called giving a 2nd chance but he just brushed it off "negged stays" without even giving a way back in saying help the community out for a month or something, its not a death sentence to mess up one time slightly, i didnt hack an account, i didnt farm accounts, i didnt do anything bad to the community... its a joke , i was banned 7 days and learned my lesson .... then come back day of to my account ruined by a seperate guy who knows nothing about the situation , now my account is ruined

ok

[Vod]

he doesnt care at all hes some loser 15 year old kid that think hes a neg trust police its actually hilarious to watch.... i literally pleaded being deadly honest saying i did mess up and i honestly didnt think saying ill merit your good post for my good post was some sort of scam or cheat when the system is literally to merit good posts? but ok i took the blame anyways and said i messed up , but my account should be negged forever??? ive been around 6 months and never did one bad thing i make a 1 merit mistake and my accounts ruined because some kid who think hes an FBI forum agent? makes 0 sense to me and i dont think its right at all... people mess up and misinterpret things, its called giving a 2nd chance but he just brushed it off "negged stays" without even giving a way back in saying help the community out for a month or something, its not a death sentence to mess up one time slightly, i didnt hack an account, i didnt farm accounts, i didnt do anything bad to the community... its a joke , i was banned 7 days and learned my lesson .... then come back day of to my account ruined by a seperate guy who knows nothing about the situation , now my account is ruined

Merit was introduced to help clean up the community.

You tried to cheat the system to your advantage.

How can you not see why that would be viewed as untrustworthy?   If it makes zero sense to you, and you are being honest, then I have to say you need more life experience.  :/

[Vod]

its like putting somebody in jail for life when they stole a candy bar, i didnt murder a person

It's not like that at all.  Someone just distrusts you.  You can still learn about bitcoin and you are still free to do whatever you want. 

[asapjoshyy]

its like putting somebody in jail for life when they stole a candy bar, i didnt murder a person

It's not like that at all.  Someone just distrusts you.  You can still learn about bitcoin and you are still free to do whatever you want. 

i understand .... but this one 15 year old kid who distrusts me without even knowing anything about me ruined my entire account...... when ive been here since summer, showing im a trustworthy/normal member

of course i can still read the forums which i do everyday because i love crypto, i was simply asking is there a way i can clear my name throughout showing actions im a good member ie helping people out all month with questions .. stuff like that to show im a truly a solid member and help the community... but he wouldnt even give me the respect to respond to that ?? I honestly think the 7 day ban was right... i was wrong and that showed me it.... i felt like my first mistake ever on the forum didnt deserve any more then that...... and i just wanted to make things right regardless im a trustworthy guy and having that red/ untrustworthy doesnt sit well with me when im actually not that guy

[Lauda]

i understand .... but this one 15 year old kid who distrusts me without even knowing anything about me ruined my entire account...

With nullius and me, that makes three  15 year old kids. Thanks for pointing out your case to me; missed that one.

I honestly think the 7 day ban was right..

7 days bans are useless and worth nothing. Wake me up when you are banned for at least 60 days.

[asapjoshyy]

i understand .... but this one 15 year old kid who distrusts me without even knowing anything about me ruined my entire account...

With nullius and me, that makes three  15 year old kids. Thanks for pointing out your case to me; missed that one.

I honestly think the 7 day ban was right..

7 days bans are useless and worth nothing. Wake me up when you are banned for at least 60 days.

lol...... so everybody will pile on
thats how society works these days just kick a man while hes down

when im literally asking what can i do to prove im a trustworthy person...... im trying to say i messed up and what can i do to make this right??
thanks

[Lauda]

when im literally asking what can i do to prove im a trustworthy person...... im trying to say i messed up and what can i do to make this right??

I would suggest asking shorena after 1 year after your *mistake*.

[asapjoshyy]

when im literally asking what can i do to prove im a trustworthy person...... im trying to say i messed up and what can i do to make this right??

I would suggest asking shorena after 1 year after your *mistake*.

yes thats very reasonable.... thanks for laughing at my situation im glad its good entertainment for you
appreciate it

how about we compromise.. ive been around 6 months

give me 3 months ,  0 mistakes with good posts
if i pass this i will be trusted again?

[Lauda]

how about we compromise.. ive been around 6 months

give me 3 months ,  0 mistakes with good posts
if i pass this i will be trusted again?

It's been 1+ year since *my mistake*, and the rating is still here. Therefore, after shorena removes mine and the same amount of time passes for yours, I *might* remove it. Equality, I guess.

[asapjoshyy]

how about we compromise.. ive been around 6 months

give me 3 months ,  0 mistakes with good posts
if i pass this i will be trusted again?

It's been 1+ year since *my mistake*, and the rating is still here. Therefore, after shorena removes mine and the same amount of time passes for yours, I *might* remove it. Equality, I guess.

lol.... youre a sad individual
you must have a great life buddy

guys scrolling around the forum , throwing negs out ruining peoples accounts everyday for fun / entertainment then think youre so amazing
its actually hilarious to look at yours and ACTS feedback list, probably the biggest losers ive ever seen in my entire life

then you act like you feed off peoples misfortunes and mistakes... " oh wait a year i might remove it" youre a joke

[Lauda]

Senselessly insulting others and leaving fake retaliatory negative trust ratings will surely help you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Vod]

It's been 1+ year since *my mistake*, and the rating is still here. Therefore, after shorena removes mine and the same amount of time passes for yours, I *might* remove it. Equality, I guess.

If you feel you are being punished, why would you use that as an excuse to punish others?  

I know I have "untainted" trust, but I have often thought about what I would do if just one person left me a negative and ruined my trust rating.  I would continue my daily activities (trust, merit) as normal.  DT is powerful, and as such must be treated with respect.  

Senselessly insulting others and leaving fake retaliatory negative trust ratings will surely help you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, not smart asapjoshyy...  :/

[asapjoshyy]

Senselessly insulting others and leaving fake retaliatory negative trust ratings will surely help you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

im being honest, not insulting at all, the truth hurts apparently
youre making a joke of my situation, when im trying to own up saying i made a mistake and trying to undo my wrongs

and whats worse??? ACT multiple times ruining accounts without no investigations like you see on his list and him losing neg power on threads?? or me trying to ask for 1 merit........ whats the worse crime??

[Lauda]

It's been 1+ year since *my mistake*, and the rating is still here. Therefore, after shorena removes mine and the same amount of time passes for yours, I *might* remove it. Equality, I guess.

If you feel you are being punished, why would you use that as an excuse to punish others?  

The case is exactly the opposite of that. If I am not being forgiven after X amount of time, why should I forgive someone else after 1/4 of the time? :thinks: Equality, to some degree. You might be a rather forgiving God in comparison to the Cat.

Senselessly insulting others and leaving fake retaliatory negative trust ratings will surely help you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, not smart asapjoshyy...  :/

I never understood why people just stoop to that after you tell them no. The more intriguing cases are those that act very nicely and then make a complete turn after you reject their requests.

[asapjoshyy]

maybe because the neg you got doesnt effect your account whatsoever since youre not in the red...
what are you even talking about lol??? you just seem like a power hungry person , laughing at somebodys misfortune for entertainment with 0 horse in the race and you dont even care at all.......

why is negging somebody for ruining multiple accounts wrong when ive been negged for trying to get 1 merit for a good post negged for life

[Vod]

If you feel you are being punished, why would you use that as an excuse to punish others?  

The case is exactly the opposite of that. If I am not being forgiven after X amount of time, why should I forgive someone else after 1/4 of the time? :thinks: Equality, to some degree. You might be a rather forgiving God in comparison to the Cat.

By doing that, aren't you basically agreeing with Shorena's actions against you?  You are following her example.

[Lauda]

maybe because the neg you got doesnt effect your account whatsoever since youre not in the red...

Of course it does.

what are you even talking about lol??? you just seem like a power hungry person , laughing at somebodys misfortune for entertainment with 0 horse in the race and you dont even care at all.......

Are you really trying to insinuate that I care enough about some random to laugh at their misfortune? Classic humans.

when ive been negged for trying to get 1 merit for a good post negged for life

Said who? I've told you that I might reconsider after I've been forgiven. However, that makes no assurance that anyone else is going to forgive you and that you won't receive more ratings in the meantime.

By doing that, aren't you basically agreeing with Shorena's actions against you?

I am not.

[asapjoshyy]

you must be ACTS brother or something... you seem extremely irrational and dont even care 1% or have any empathy
tbh im not even going to bother anymore, actually funny my account gets ruined over trying to get 1 merit and making a simple mistake

can see peoples true colors when youre down and this forum is filled of terrible human beings who are power hungry and dont care about anybody

gl in the future buddy, hope your life gets better

[nullius]

<snip snip snip>

asapjoshyy implicitly claims ignorance of the adage that “trust is hard to earn, easy to lose”.  I myself would add, “...and nigh impossible to repair”.

There are certain empirical facts about trust known by experience to anyone over the age of thirty.  E.g., that people who give implicitly self-interested elaborate speeches about the importance of trustworthiness (inevitably followed by proclamations of how trustworthy they are) are ipso facto untrustworthy in the extreme.  Also, the above-stated aphorism.

Moreover:  There are so very many two-legged creatures on this Earth who are for some reason deemed “people”.  If any of them violates my trust, why should I ever grant second chances?  There are too many others out there who are potentially untrustworthy, and too few who are actually trustworthy.  I will never have an opportunity to give a first chance to more than a negligible fraction of all those people.  Why waste my time with anybody who has proved untrustworthy even once?

More generally, I grant neither mercy nor forgiveness to people who did things they knew or should have known were wrong.  Those are not accounted virtues in my religion.  Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.  They were inferior in character then, and will be now.  I will instead try trusting people who never cheated on school tests.  There are plenty enough who, at least, where never that dishonest.

Perhaps I am old-fashioned.  No, wait—sorry, I forgot, I am 15 years old.  My bad, LOL.  Just prankin’ ya.

you must be ACTS brother or something... you seem extremely irrational and dont even care 1% or have any empathy
tbh im not even going to bother anymore, actually funny my account gets ruined over trying to get 1 merit and making a simple mistake

can see peoples true colors when youre down and this forum is filled of terrible human beings who are power hungry and dont care about anybody

gl in the future buddy, hope your life gets better

LOL.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

i stopped reading after the 1st line... man some of you really need to get a life
guys writing a novel about trust, i swear some of you are such losers in reality that you come on this forum trying to be police men because your real life is so terrible , you can come on here with your "legendary" accounts and vent and act all big on a forum.... because somebody cheated on a elementary or highschool quiz once they cannot be trusted for life?? wtf are you even talking about man.. how ignorant are you honestly
actmyname with his braces hiding in his moms basement is the saddest thing ive ever seen on a forum , negging people daily ... how is that really your past time when youre 15 years old.... get some sunshine and go live life, please i actually hope your life gets better buddy

Yes we're all compensating for [insert deficiency here] and are using our [insert perceived advantage here] to [insert perceived attack here].  But you just sound like Mr. Sour Grapes regardless of what the reality is.   You got busted abusing the merit system, and though I wouldn't personally tag you, I think it's good that some members with power are sending a message.   If you're just here to read and write posts for your own pleasure, the feedback doesn't matter.   It's only if you're here for financial gain that the feedback will sting.  Just suck it up and get over it.  Ultimately this is just an internet forum.

[nullius]

Boldface supplied:

i stopped reading after the 1st line... man some of you really need to get a life
guys writing a novel about trust, i swear some of you are such losers in reality that you come on this forum trying to be police men because your real life is so terrible , you can come on here with your "legendary" accounts and vent and act all big on a forum....

You are there replying directly to me, yet you failed to notice that I currently have lower forum rank than you do.  Between us, I will win the game of forum rank one-downsmanship in victimhood.  HELP, I’M BEING OPPRESSED BY THE LEGENDARIES!

because somebody cheated on a elementary or highschool quiz once they cannot be trusted for life?? wtf are you even talking about man.. how ignorant are you honestly

I can see you consider cheating in school to be no big deal.  Figures—and I suppose you have experience, too, yes?

— Breaking news:  This came in while I was trying to post:

and ive said im a student who uses this forum as income along with getting research for my crypto investments...

So...  Which school do you attend?  I’m sure you’d be proud to tell us.  Equally sure they’d be proud to know your views in minimizing the importance of school cheating.  Interesting.

actmyname with his braces hiding in his moms basement is the saddest thing ive ever seen on a forum , negging people daily ... how is that really your past time when youre 15 years old.... get some sunshine and go live life, please i actually hope your life gets better buddy

Not only are you ungrammatical:  You are illiterate.  actmyname already told you his real age:

you must be in a gang with that 15 year old bum that negged me...

nice try im actually 11

Now, show some respect to your elders (evidently).


I will provide translations:

Yes we're all compensating for [insert deficiency here]

asapjoshyy is projecting...

and are using our [insert perceived advantage here]

...and has an inferiority complex...

to [insert perceived attack here].

...and delusions of persecution, a symptom of paranoid schizophrenia.

At least if he can get himself to a doctor of the type he seems to know all about, he already knows where to find The Pharmacist.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It may not make sense what you did, but you did it nevertheless, so your actions have consequences.   Those consequences may leave a bitter taste in your mouth, but you'll get over it.  And as I suspected, you're not here just to socialize or to do some reading.   You're here because bitcointalk sounds like a cash register ringing to you.  That's never going to win you any sympathy here. 

[nullius]

jesus christ youre all losers
i thought this forum was solid until i came around this subthread
worst mistake i ever made, you guys really need to get outside and live life
i honestly feel bad for you

...says somebody who sits online replying to every post within about nine seconds, trying with palpable desperation to assert some sense of superiority over people who busted him trying to cheat the merit system.

Got it.

We all have so much to learn from you.  You know everything.

the little girl club and the account who thinks hes a mastermind genius already came in , jerked off to the negging and had their fun

You stay classy.

[HodorHodl]

Would someone please lock this post?

The last couple of weeks have seen some changes for the better, and I have to give it to DT2 that they are rolling with it. Past perceived injustices will come up, yes, but that's not a good reason for a 4 page thread of unpleasantry.

Drop it, the lot of you. This is childish.

[actisstupidname]

It may not make sense what you did, but you did it nevertheless, so your actions have consequences.   Those consequences may leave a bitter taste in your mouth, but you'll get over it.  And as I suspected, you're not here just to socialize or to do some reading.   You're here because bitcointalk sounds like a cash register ringing to you.  That's never going to win you any sympathy here. 

you and peter griffin are the only actual reasonable people in here..
youre right with your statements... regardless its too far gone now
the little girl club and the account who thinks hes a mastermind genius already came in , jerked off to the negging and had their fun

You won't win here, buddy. It's already a cult. Noticed the merit stats? It's one big circle jerking group of guys giving merits among themselves. And the concentration of the merit activity is centered here in the Meta section.

Some few merits are spread out to parts of the Bitcoin discussion, but the larger sections of this lame forum have almost no merit activity at all. And that speaks volumes of what kind of people the seniority here are.

You could see the top names and they spend merit on each other. Other Legendary members don't even bother to know about this merit stuff.

And the amount of talks about forum moderation and stuff, like wow, haven't they got time for anything else? It's a classic syndrome of compensating something for the lack of one thing.

[Vod]

You won't win here, buddy. It's already a cult. Noticed the merit stats? It's one big circle jerking group of guys giving merits among themselves. And the concentration of the merit activity is centered here in the Meta section.

The shitposters ARE going to be hurt with this new system.  You can fight back though - create new accounts and complain how the system is flawed.  :/

You could see the top names and they spend merit on each other.

You should actually look at the top names and see how they spend their merit. 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It may not make sense what you did, but you did it nevertheless, so your actions have consequences.   Those consequences may leave a bitter taste in your mouth, but you'll get over it.  And as I suspected, you're not here just to socialize or to do some reading.   You're here because bitcointalk sounds like a cash register ringing to you.  That's never going to win you any sympathy here. 

you and peter griffin are the only actual reasonable people in here..
youre right with your statements... regardless its too far gone now
the little girl club and the account who thinks hes a mastermind genius already came in , jerked off to the negging and had their fun

You won't win here, buddy. It's already a cult. Noticed the merit stats? It's one big circle jerking group of guys giving merits among themselves. And the concentration of the merit activity is centered here in the Meta section.

Some few merits are spread out to parts of the Bitcoin discussion, but the larger sections of this lame forum have almost no merit activity at all. And that speaks volumes of what kind of people the seniority here are.

You could see the top names and they spend merit on each other. Other Legendary members don't even bother to know about this merit stuff.

And the amount of talks about forum moderation and stuff, like wow, haven't they got time for anything else? It's a classic syndrome of compensating something for the lack of one thing.

Bitcoin Discussion is one of the most shitposter-infested sections on the forum.  Are you really complaining that merit-givers are being biased toward Meta?  Anything else you want to bitch about?   Your English isn't that bad, so you shouldn't waste all these words railing against the merit system like some low-rent shitposter. 

Also: Meta is IMO one of the most interesting sections of bct, so that shouldn't be a surprise that it's popular for earning merit.  But it kind of requires that you don't have big, cartoon dollar signs in your eyes when you think about bitcointalk--and that will disqualify 90% of members here, unfortunately.

[KWH]

 snip......But it kind of requires that you don't have big, cartoon dollar signs in your eyes when you think about bitcointalk--....snip

But Sir, how will I feed my 39 childrens, Sir??

Really, these types of garbage, butt hurt posts need to stop.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

KWH, I know you were being sardonic, but I got PMs like this when I was tagging shitposters:

I have two children, should I finance
I will not repeat it
I beg your remove my trust for negative. I will not repeat it
I have no work other than in the forums
I am sorry
Thank you

And I found it extremely sad, but the fact is that these people are ruining their "workplace" and should be "fired".  At the very least they should exercise some family planning judgement and only have kids when they can afford them.  Relying on a sig campaign is just plain wrong to my eyes.

[KWH]

KWH, I know you were being sardonic, but I got PMs like this when I was tagging shitposters:

I have two children, should I finance
I will not repeat it
I beg your remove my trust for negative. I will not repeat it
I have no work other than in the forums
I am sorry
Thank you

And I found it extremely sad, but the fact is that these people are ruining their "workplace" and should be "fired".  At the very least they should exercise some family planning judgement and only have kids when they can afford them.  Relying on a sig campaign is just plain wrong to my eyes.

I get some interesting ones myself. Don't get me started on sig campaigns.

[Lauda]

KWH, I know you were being sardonic, but I got PMs like this when I was tagging shitposters:
-snip-
And I found it extremely sad, but the fact is that these people are ruining their "workplace" and should be "fired".  At the very least they should exercise some family planning judgement and only have kids when they can afford them.  Relying on a sig campaign is just plain wrong to my eyes.

A few remarks:
a) Any story like that can be trivially made up.
b) The odds that it is made up are very high.
c) It is not your fault that people are irresponsible with their lives.
d) Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

-snip-
Drop it, the lot of you. This is childish.

There are primarily two individuals being childish here, the rest are not.

[actisstupidname]

the same situation was in my case

i just sent merit to my one friend and answered to second friend that sent me merit at first day, it was that time we not understud for what this system and i thougt its some bonus so at next day i tryed to studie but it was late
actmyname destroyed my single account i mean it not fair because all blaming is wrong

Can some of you in the boy's club ban this guy? His grammar hurts my eyes, small caps and bad spelling. I might need to see a doctor for this. Or at least tell this Russian shitposter to stick to his section and remind him that this forum is originally for White Anglo-Saxon Protestants only. It's what segregation is for, Russkie. Make Bitcointalk great again should be our rallying cry.

This guy is running amuck and spreading his shitposts since early 2013!  

[JohnUser]

(snip)
A few remarks:
a) Any story like that can be trivially made up.
b) The odds that it is made up are very high.
c) It is not your fault that people are irresponsible with their lives.
d) Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

Empathy is a weakness ? Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

anyway, I just want to support actmyname, he have help me against a crazy girl and I won't forget that he took on his own time to help with empathy someone he didn't know.

[Lauda]

Empathy is a weakness ?

Correct. Rationality beats empathy any day.

Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

Appeal to tradition. Just because we might have needed empathy before in order to survive, that doesn't mean that we need it today. Furthermore, just because it might have been useful before that doesn't mean that it is useful today.

...I won't forget that he took on his own time to help with empathy someone he didn't know.

I have helped thousands of users here over the years, and felt no empathy towards any case. You do not need empathy to help someone. You were saying?
Tl;dr: actmyname is a good user. /thread

[Intellectual Romanticist]

Guess I'm not that active here. I don't even know the guy. But let me check his posts. Can someone pls send me his link? Thanks.

[Wendigo]

i stopped reading after the 1st line... man some of you really need to get a life
guys writing a novel about trust, i swear some of you are such losers in reality that you come on this forum trying to be police men because your real life is so terrible , you can come on here with your "legendary" accounts and vent and act all big on a forum.... because somebody cheated on a elementary or highschool quiz once they cannot be trusted for life?? wtf are you even talking about man.. how ignorant are you honestly
actmyname with his braces hiding in his moms basement is the saddest thing ive ever seen on a forum , negging people daily ... how is that really your past time when youre 15 years old.... get some sunshine and go live life, please i actually hope your life gets better buddy

Yes we're all compensating for [insert deficiency here] and are using our [insert perceived advantage here] to [insert perceived attack here].  But you just sound like Mr. Sour Grapes regardless of what the reality is.   You got busted abusing the merit system, and though I wouldn't personally tag you, I think it's good that some members with power are sending a message.   If you're just here to read and write posts for your own pleasure, the feedback doesn't matter.   It's only if you're here for financial gain that the feedback will sting.  Just suck it up and get over it.  Ultimately this is just an internet forum.

Aren't you in here for financial gain too? The pot calling the kettle black. Disable your paid signature and then spend all your time here doing God's work spreading those well-deserved negative ratings for free out of the goodness of your heart  It's so funny how the most vocal, narcissistic individuals on the DT network are running paid signatures. You all must have very peculiar psychological profiles lol.

[Vod]

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police.

How would you describe us?  "Policing" is what we are on DT for.  :/

[jtipt]

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police.

How would you describe us? 

IMO vigilantes would suit better.

[yojodojo21]

Basically OP has an alt account which get tagged by actmyname and now rejoicing that actmyname will be removed what a coward way OP.
Now I believe that being a butthurt will always be a butthurt. Show your true identity and let's see if you can still rejoice. It doesn't matter if he will be removed or not unless you pay for them or you can't work your ass if they have them.

 

[Jet Cash]

I hdn't really encountered Actmyname until all these threads started to appear. I've read several of them, and I'm starting to like the guy. He may be a bit different, and have his own opinions, but that is a great personal trait in my opinion.

So - Keep acting your name, whatever your name is.

[johhnyUA]

Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

Appeal to tradition. Just because we might have needed empathy before in order to survive, that doesn't mean that we need it today. Furthermore, just because it might have been useful before that doesn't mean that it is useful today.

You're wrong, lol. Empathy it's one of the most important principles of humanism. I very doubt that you would change your residence in humanistic country (as i know - Austria) for USSR or Third Reich   yeah, it was two empires which were built on principles of rationalism.
Also, there existed many "good" organisations with members without empathy. NKVD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD) or Schutzstaffel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel)  


People without (i mean they don't have such trait) empathy it's mostly maniacs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy for example. The man who didn't fill any empathy for his victims and any guilt. Quote from wikipedia:  

Psychopathy is a personality disorder partly characterized by antisocial and aggressive behaviors, as well as emotional and interpersonal deficits including shallow emotions and a lack of remorse and empathy.

BUT! I agree with you that we can't have empathy for criminals.  

My opinion: actmyname is very honest with his feedbacks. Merit traders and other criminals will butthurt anyway, 'cause they don't have empathy 

[Tyrantt]

Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

Appeal to tradition. Just because we might have needed empathy before in order to survive, that doesn't mean that we need it today. Furthermore, just because it might have been useful before that doesn't mean that it is useful today.

You're wrong, lol. Empathy it's one of the most important principles of humanism. I very doubt that you would change your residence in humanistic country (as i know - Austria) for USSR or Third Reich   yeah, it was two empires which were built on principles of rationalism.
Also, there existed many "good" organisations with members without empathy. NKVD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD) or Schutzstaffel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel)  

People without (i mean they don't have such trait) empathy it's mostly maniacs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy for example. The man who didn't fill any empathy for his victims and any guilt. Quote from wikipedia:  

Psychopathy is a personality disorder partly characterized by antisocial and aggressive behaviors, as well as emotional and interpersonal deficits including shallow emotions and a lack of remorse and empathy.

BUT! I agree with you that we can't have empathy for criminals.  

My opinion: actmyname is very honest with his feedbacks. Merit traders and other criminals will butthurt anyway, 'cause they don't have empathy  

I think you've got it wrong. Why would you care for someone that doesn't affect you at all? You can't compare empathy in earlier years and now. Communities were smaller and you kind of got to know and benefit from one another.

Just because we might have needed empathy before in order to survive, that doesn't mean that we need it today.

Sad but true. World is moving hell of a lot faster than it did before.

Also, psychopaths absolutely lack sense of regret, remorse and empathy. That doesn't mean you should abandon all of that for you family, friends,etc... People you care about.

Now on the topic about Actmyname... if you did nothing wrong and think you're falsely flagged, there must be a reason for that either a correct one or some misunderstanding. Don't make a mistake, like I did, and go around the forum screaming and crying about your negative trust, because it's not going to help.
If you know you're falsely flagged, make a topic and explain your situation. Eventually, if you're truly falsely given neg trust, it'll be removed.

I don't think that he should be demoted, because he's actually fair about it and will remove the trust if it's unjust. I'd rather give out yellow flag like a warning before anything.

Now, I'm not 100% sure that actmyname's ratings are outside of what I would consider appropriate, which is why I didn't take action to immediately remove him. But from what I've seen, it does seem likely that he is too trigger-happy.

I'd also love to give my answer to this quote considering Actmyname. That may be BUT if that person truly is falsely given neg trust and has given a rational explanation on why is it unjust, then I do believe that that neg trust will be removed. So even if you get neg trust, you'll have it removed soon enough if you're clean. I don't know about that "racist elitist" thing, never encountered it. Cheers!







(not pointing at anyone, just speaking as it is from personal experience)

[johhnyUA]

Why would you care for someone that doesn't affect you at all?

Yeah, lol. If the red button with "brutally kill everyone in Austria to get 100 k $" will appear about me, i must push it, because it would be very rationally.

Also, psychopaths absolutely lack sense of regret, remorse and empathy. That doesn't mean you should abandon all of that for you family, friends,etc... People you care about.

Nah, you're wrong again. Most maniacs doesn't kill the people they know. Their victims are mostly strangers. (you can read about that fact in the Ted Bandy link above). Empathy it's not about family or friends. It's about people who you don't know.

Also, mostly, there two types of people who thinking in such way (I about Lauda's speech):
- killers, drug dillers and other criminals or very specific people. (believe to me, i live in Ukraine, a country at war. Here enough such kind of people). They mostly live according to the principles of cynicism, nihilism, rationalism.
- "Mommy's experts". You know what doest it means. No comments  

[nullius]

You won't win here, buddy. It's already a cult. Noticed the merit stats? It's one big circle jerking group of guys giving merits among themselves. And the concentration of the merit activity is centered here in the Meta section.

Some few merits are spread out to parts of the Bitcoin discussion, but the larger sections of this lame forum have almost no merit activity at all. And that speaks volumes of what kind of people the seniority here are.

Not true.  I will use myself as a handy counterexample.

Counting with a 1-based index unlike a C programmer, I am currently #7 on the list of all-time top-merited users.  My rank is currently “Member”; I already have sufficient merit to skip up two ranks to “Sr. Member”.  Whereas the soonest I can reach the activity threshold for “Sr. Member” status will be on 17 July 2018 at 20:40:00 UTC.

Following is the breakdown of where I’ve earned my merit thus far.  The largest proportion has come from Development & Technical Discussion, where I am proud to have recently become the first (and thus far, only) person yet awarded merit by Core developer gmaxwell.  Here in Meta and elsewhere, I’ve also been trying to contribute to the efforts of DT members who are protecting the integrity of the merit system; but in the ordinary course of discussion, I haven’t been awarded as much merit for that as for my tech posts.

46.4%	137	Development & Technical Discussion
31.2%	92	Meta (in the ordinary course of discussion)
16.9%	50	An unrepeatable historic forum first-and-only in Meta:  I flamed a man so harshly that he gave me +50 for it!  My pen is a mightier sword.
3.4%	10	Reputation
2.0%	6	Bitcoin Discussion
99.9%	295	Total

(Percentages do not always add up to 100.0% due to rounding.)

So much for your absurd theories.  The merit system is very simple:  Meritorious posts earn merit.  For example, one of my highest-merited posts, “Bitcoin’s Public-Key Security Level”, is currently +18 (including +5 from the tech forum moderator).  Make good posts, and you will earn merit—or don’t, and you won’t.

d) Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

I gave +1 for the rest of your post, plus +1 for that alone.

Empathy is a weakness ? Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

You have it backwards, upside-down, and inside-out (as most people who make armchair historical arguments usually do).  Society collapsed (past tense) in large part from a surfeit of “empathy”.  “Society/family/clan” worked by honour and the sword, hierarchy, obedience, group loyalty, and merciless shaming and shunning of social traitors and misfits.  Not by bleeding hearts and sob stories.  The world today is drowning in empathy.  The meek are inheriting the Earth; and of course, they will wail and gnash their teeth over a merit system which stops them from inheriting the Bitcoin Forum, too.

Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

Appeal to tradition. Just because we might have needed empathy before in order to survive, that doesn't mean that we need it today. Furthermore, just because it might have been useful before that doesn't mean that it is useful today.

There, you are wrong; for tradition stands falsely accused of an “empathy” which it never had.  This thing called “empathy” by our contemporaries who use it as a religious byword implies empathy for the weak, stupid, diseased, degenerate, cowardly, incompetent, and outright criminal.  I have never heard anyone cry that we must have “empathy” for superior achievements.  Think about it rationally:  “Empathy” is inimical to survival.  Any species with too much of it will prove to be an evolutionary dead-end.

Nature never had any “empathy”—or for that matter, mercy.  Neither does Bitcoin, whose first commandment is to keep safe your private keys:  If you lose your private keys, then you lose all.  If you fail to secure your private keys, then Bitcoin will reward a thief and punish you.  You may cry, scream, shake your fist, preach about “empathy”—it will not help, and nobody can help you.  The judgment of Bitcoin is cold, merciless, exacting, mathematically precise—and final, without any court of appeal.  It is the judgment of pure cause and effect, a financial law which echoes both physical law and the moral laws of older forms of Hinduism.  And as such, Bitcoin excludes the vagaries of human arbiters, human emotions—human corruption.  For those who are willing to take ultimate responsibility for themselves in exchange for ultimate power over themselves, Bitcoin grants freedom.  For the rest—well, I am surprised to hear people whining about “empathy” in the Bitcoin Forum.

I have helped thousands of users here over the years, and felt no empathy towards any case. You do not need empathy to help someone. You were saying?

Being a reasonable person with decent premises, you miss the contrary unstated premises of the “empathy” brigades.  The purpose of the “empathy” religion is not to induce people to help others, or achieve any other constructive goal whatsoever.  Rather, “empathy” is designed to create an inverted moral hierarchy with pitiable wretches at the top, and you at the bottom.  Its ultimate end is to destroy the very concept of superiority of achievement, and thus stop all achievement.  The architects of the general class of philosophies which converge as antecedents to today’s “empathy” were and are motivated by one or more of hatred for all mankind, blind jealousy, idealization of primitive hunter-gatherer societies and “noble savages”, and/or psychotic delusions (e.g. Auguste Comte; I categorize Rousseau similarly, on grounds that he frankly admitted being unable to cope with reality).

Please go on actually helping people, for whatever non-empathetic reasons you may have.

KWH, I know you were being sardonic, but I got PMs like this when I was tagging shitposters:

I have two children, should I finance
I will not repeat it
I beg your remove my trust for negative. I will not repeat it
I have no work other than in the forums
I am sorry
Thank you

And I found it extremely sad, but the fact is that these people are ruining their "workplace" and should be "fired".

When I was young, I was given the advice that the hardest part of being a boss is firing people.  When you call some incompetent fool on the carpet and his eyes get all wide, and you think a grown man might start to cry as he begins to stammer about his kids and his wife and how much he needs this job, then you yourself are being tested for whether or not you be boss material.

If you give a damn for his sob story, then you are cruel:  Cruel to all the competent workers who also have wives and kids and families, and are breaking their backs carrying the incompetent fool as worse than deadweight.  I myself “empathize” with competence.  If you have a heart, then you must realize that firing the fool makes the workplace more efficient so that you can give everybody else a raise in wages.

Whereas here on the forum, the spammers are killing the goose which lays the golden eggs for them.  Let them rot with their own myopia.  I don’t care if they are (or claim to be) poor, have kids, or whatever—whatever.  “Please, sir, I really really really need to spam” is not an argument which moves me.  Substitute any other crime for “spam”, and the same applies.

(Aside:  I myself have real-life experience with desperation brought by ill circumstance, hardship, hunger, ailing health, and outright homelessness.  I would win any game of one-downsmanship before a jury of bleeding hearts.  I dislike mentioning that, and shan’t discuss it further, because I have something called dignity; and it does not give me any special credibility in this argument, as if only those who have had it tough can pass judgment on wrongdoing.  I bring this up only to point out that in my experience, those who have had easy lives seem most susceptible to catching “empathy”.  I infer from that a misplaced sense of guilt.  Whereas those who face genuine life-and-death hardship either become degenerate beggars, or embrace the lesson that the strong survive and the weak perish.  “Builds character.”)

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Aren't you in here for financial gain too? The pot calling the kettle black. Disable your paid signature and then spend all your time here doing God's work spreading those well-deserved negative ratings for free out of the goodness of your heart  ;D It's so funny how the most vocal, narcissistic individuals on the DT network are running paid signatures. You all must have very peculiar psychological profiles lol.

Well, here’s a “Legendary” who is unable to distinguish between a user who contributes to the forum and has a sig ad, versus a user who comes here only to spam the forum to make money off sig ads.  F in logic.

You're wrong, lol. Empathy it's one of the most important principles of humanism.  [snip tortuous armchair historian-psychologist argumentation]

No, not really.  Also, please look up the word “humanism”.  It is one of the words most abused by pseudointellectuals who have no idea what they’re talking about.  I myself would claim (or at least aspire) to be a “humanist”, in the Renaissance sense.  I totally reject the concept of “empathy”.

[...]

I think you've got it wrong. Why would you care for someone that doesn't affect you at all? You can't compare empathy in earlier years and now. Communities were smaller and you kind of got to know and benefit from one another.

You almost hit the nail on the head.  See what I said above about “group loyalty”.  The only part you missed is that to “empathy” advocates, this isn’t a bug:  It’s a feature.  So-called “empathy” is nothing more than a toxic social solvent which forces people to not only embrace the lowest common denominator, but expand it beyond your own village’s idiots to include every poor wretch in the whole wide world.

Drop it, the lot of you. This is childish.

Drop the “lot of you” false equivalencies, or else I will stomp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue.

[squatter]

You won't win here, buddy. It's already a cult. Noticed the merit stats? It's one big circle jerking group of guys giving merits among themselves. And the concentration of the merit activity is centered here in the Meta section.

Some few merits are spread out to parts of the Bitcoin discussion, but the larger sections of this lame forum have almost no merit activity at all. And that speaks volumes of what kind of people the seniority here are.

Following is the breakdown of where I’ve earned my merit thus far.  The largest proportion has come from Development & Technical Discussion, where I am proud to have recently become the first (and thus far, only) person yet awarded merit by Core developer gmaxwell.  Here in Meta and elsewhere, I’ve also been trying to contribute to the efforts of DT members who are protecting the integrity of the merit system; but in the ordinary course of discussion, I haven’t been awarded as much merit for that as for my tech posts.

46.4%	137	Development & Technical Discussion
31.2%	92	Meta (in the ordinary course of discussion)
16.9%	50	An unrepeatable historic forum first-and-only in Meta:  I flamed a man so harshly that he gave me +50 for it!  My pen is a mightier sword.
3.4%	10	Reputation
2.0%	6	Bitcoin Discussion
99.9%	295	Total

(Percentages do not always add up to 100.0% due to rounding.)

So much for your absurd theories.

Doesn't that technically add up to 48.1% received in Meta? User stats are also disabled, so it's not clear what proportion of your posts are in Development & Technical Discussion vs. Meta. One individual anecdote also doesn't really disprove his claim that merit is concentrated in Meta and in limited social groups. From my observation, I'm guessing he's right about that, but I don't have any forum-wide statistics to point to. Has anyone scraped stats to look at the actual distribution among sub-forums?

As another anecdote: In my case, I never post in Meta. One post I made in Meta two days ago netted one third of my current merit, though it represented only ~3% of my posts since the system was added. I've definitely gotten the feeling that if you want a higher merit rating, you should 1) make a high quality but preferably an agreeable post and 2) do it in Meta. When I say agreeable I mean with regard to community sentiment. If your post is thoughtful but contrarian, it seems less likely to receive merit.

The merit system is very simple:  Meritorious posts earn merit.

That may have been the stated intent. But is it generally true? Some meritorious posts earn merit. We can agree on that. Certainly, not all meritorious posts are even noticed, let alone merited. You have to wade through a lot of shitposting in e.g. Bitcoin Discussion to find quality posts, and regarding sMerit, I suspect that's not where peoples' energy is going.

It's natural for merit to be concentrated in Meta, too. "About the forum" sections tend to be the most community-oriented boards out there. And at its core, merit seems to function like a social media "like" button. I don't see how you can stop people from meriting posts they like or agree with, just as they do with "like" buttons. But something you find agreeable =/= quality or noteworthy or deserving of merit. Not by definition, and not by the stated intent of the system.

I'm not too concerned either way, but I think it's a tad dishonest for us to act like post quality is the only determining factor -- or even the most dominant factor -- in deciding merit. It's just not logical. There are social/psychological dynamics that are going unconsidered.

[Wendigo]

You won't win here, buddy. It's already a cult. Noticed the merit stats? It's one big circle jerking group of guys giving merits among themselves. And the concentration of the merit activity is centered here in the Meta section.

Some few merits are spread out to parts of the Bitcoin discussion, but the larger sections of this lame forum have almost no merit activity at all. And that speaks volumes of what kind of people the seniority here are.

Not true.  I will use myself as a handy counterexample.

Counting with a 1-based index unlike a C programmer, I am currently #7 on the list of all-time top-merited users.  My rank is currently “Member”; I already have sufficient merit to skip up two ranks to “Sr. Member”.  Whereas the soonest I can reach the activity threshold for “Sr. Member” status will be on 17 July 2018 at 20:40:00 UTC.

Following is the breakdown of where I’ve earned my merit thus far.  The largest proportion has come from Development & Technical Discussion, where I am proud to have recently become the first (and thus far, only) person yet awarded merit by Core developer gmaxwell.  Here in Meta and elsewhere, I’ve also been trying to contribute to the efforts of DT members who are protecting the integrity of the merit system; but in the ordinary course of discussion, I haven’t been awarded as much merit for that as for my tech posts.

46.4%	137	Development & Technical Discussion
31.2%	92	Meta (in the ordinary course of discussion)
16.9%	50	An unrepeatable historic forum first-and-only in Meta:  I flamed a man so harshly that he gave me +50 for it!  My pen is a mightier sword.
3.4%	10	Reputation
2.0%	6	Bitcoin Discussion
99.9%	295	Total

(Percentages do not always add up to 100.0% due to rounding.)

So much for your absurd theories.  The merit system is very simple:  Meritorious posts earn merit.  For example, one of my highest-merited posts, “Bitcoin’s Public-Key Security Level”, is currently +18 (including +5 from the tech forum moderator).  Make good posts, and you will earn merit—or don’t, and you won’t.

d) Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

I gave +1 for the rest of your post, plus +1 for that alone.

Empathy is a weakness ? Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

You have it backwards, upside-down, and inside-out (as most people who make armchair historical arguments usually do).  Society collapsed (past tense) in large part from a surfeit of “empathy”.  “Society/family/clan” worked by honour and the sword, hierarchy, obedience, group loyalty, and merciless shaming and shunning of social traitors and misfits.  Not by bleeding hearts and sob stories.  The world today is drowning in empathy.  The meek are inheriting the Earth; and of course, they will wail and gnash their teeth over a merit system which stops them from inheriting the Bitcoin Forum, too.

Without empathy human would not have live so long time, it's the base of our society/family/clan !

Appeal to tradition. Just because we might have needed empathy before in order to survive, that doesn't mean that we need it today. Furthermore, just because it might have been useful before that doesn't mean that it is useful today.

There, you are wrong; for tradition stands falsely accused of an “empathy” which it never had.  This thing called “empathy” by our contemporaries who use it as a religious byword implies empathy for the weak, stupid, diseased, degenerate, cowardly, incompetent, and outright criminal.  I have never heard anyone cry that we must have “empathy” for superior achievements.  Think about it rationally:  “Empathy” is inimical to survival.  Any species with too much of it will prove to be an evolutionary dead-end.

Nature never had any “empathy”—or for that matter, mercy.  Neither does Bitcoin, whose first commandment is to keep safe your private keys:  If you lose your private keys, then you lose all.  If you fail to secure your private keys, then Bitcoin will reward a thief and punish you.  You may cry, scream, shake your fist, preach about “empathy”—it will not help, and nobody can help you.  The judgment of Bitcoin is cold, merciless, exacting, mathematically precise—and final, without any court of appeal.  It is the judgment of pure cause and effect, a financial law which echoes both physical law and the moral laws of older forms of Hinduism.  And as such, Bitcoin excludes the vagaries of human arbiters, human emotions—human corruption.  For those who are willing to take ultimate responsibility for themselves in exchange for ultimate power over themselves, Bitcoin grants freedom.  For the rest—well, I am surprised to hear people whining about “empathy” in the Bitcoin Forum.

I have helped thousands of users here over the years, and felt no empathy towards any case. You do not need empathy to help someone. You were saying?

Being a reasonable person with decent premises, you miss the contrary unstated premises of the “empathy” brigades.  The purpose of the “empathy” religion is not to induce people to help others, or achieve any other constructive goal whatsoever.  Rather, “empathy” is designed to create an inverted moral hierarchy with pitiable wretches at the top, and you at the bottom.  Its ultimate end is to destroy the very concept of superiority of achievement, and thus stop all achievement.  The architects of the general class of philosophies which converge as antecedents to today’s “empathy” were and are motivated by one or more of hatred for all mankind, blind jealousy, idealization of primitive hunter-gatherer societies and “noble savages”, and/or psychotic delusions (e.g. Auguste Comte; I categorize Rousseau similarly, on grounds that he frankly admitted being unable to cope with reality).

Please go on actually helping people, for whatever non-empathetic reasons you may have.

KWH, I know you were being sardonic, but I got PMs like this when I was tagging shitposters:

I have two children, should I finance
I will not repeat it
I beg your remove my trust for negative. I will not repeat it
I have no work other than in the forums
I am sorry
Thank you

And I found it extremely sad, but the fact is that these people are ruining their "workplace" and should be "fired".

When I was young, I was given the advice that the hardest part of being a boss is firing people.  When you call some incompetent fool on the carpet and his eyes get all wide, and you think a grown man might start to cry as he begins to stammer about his kids and his wife and how much he needs this job, then you yourself are being tested for whether or not you be boss material.

If you give a damn for his sob story, then you are cruel:  Cruel to all the competent workers who also have wives and kids and families, and are breaking their backs carrying the incompetent fool as worse than deadweight.  I myself “empathize” with competence.  If you have a heart, then you must realize that firing the fool makes the workplace more efficient so that you can give everybody else a raise in wages.

Whereas here on the forum, the spammers are killing the goose which lays the golden eggs for them.  Let them rot with their own myopia.  I don’t care if they are (or claim to be) poor, have kids, or whatever—whatever.  “Please, sir, I really really really need to spam” is not an argument which moves me.  Substitute any other crime for “spam”, and the same applies.

(Aside:  I myself have real-life experience with desperation brought by ill circumstance, hardship, hunger, ailing health, and outright homelessness.  I would win any game of one-downsmanship before a jury of bleeding hearts.  I dislike mentioning that, and shan’t discuss it further, because I have something called dignity; and it does not give me any special credibility in this argument, as if only those who have had it tough can pass judgment on wrongdoing.  I bring this up only to point out that in my experience, those who have had easy lives seem most susceptible to catching “empathy”.  I infer from that a misplaced sense of guilt.  Whereas those who face genuine life-and-death hardship either become degenerate beggars, or embrace the lesson that the strong survive and the weak perish.  “Builds character.”)

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Aren't you in here for financial gain too? The pot calling the kettle black. Disable your paid signature and then spend all your time here doing God's work spreading those well-deserved negative ratings for free out of the goodness of your heart   It's so funny how the most vocal, narcissistic individuals on the DT network are running paid signatures. You all must have very peculiar psychological profiles lol.

Well, here’s a “Legendary” who is unable to distinguish between a user who contributes to the forum and has a sig ad, versus a user who comes here only to spam the forum to make money off sig ads.  F in logic.

You're wrong, lol. Empathy it's one of the most important principles of humanism.  [snip tortuous armchair historian-psychologist argumentation]

No, not really.  Also, please look up the word “humanism”.  It is one of the words most abused by pseudointellectuals who have no idea what they’re talking about.  I myself would claim (or at least aspire) to be a “humanist”, in the Renaissance sense.  I totally reject the concept of “empathy”.

[...]

I think you've got it wrong. Why would you care for someone that doesn't affect you at all? You can't compare empathy in earlier years and now. Communities were smaller and you kind of got to know and benefit from one another.

You almost hit the nail on the head.  See what I said above about “group loyalty”.  The only part you missed is that to “empathy” advocates, this isn’t a bug:  It’s a feature.  So-called “empathy” is nothing more than a toxic social solvent which forces people to not only embrace the lowest common denominator, but expand it beyond your own village’s idiots to include every poor wretch in the whole wide world.

Drop it, the lot of you. This is childish.

Drop the “lot of you” false equivalencies, or else I will stomp my feet and hold my breath until I turn blue.

Ah here comes another narcissistic nobleman trying to assert his superiority by pushing out these literary growing pains of mini-essays that nobody cares about. And while you are still at it, could you please give Lauda some private lessons in English punctuation 'cause I think his English textbook is not up to snuff and I am tired of reading his inappropriately used commas that tend to litter his nicely spaced out ramblings.

Thanks for your time and have a nice day, knobhead 

[Vod]

DT2 members are not some kind of a bitcointalk police.

How would you describe us?   "Policing" is what we are on DT for.  :/

IMO vigilantes would suit better.

Interesting point.... I had to look up the definition:

a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

While the second (underlined) part of the quote may hold true and may be the reason, Theymos - the owner of the community, has given us authority (the bold part) by commissioning default trust. 

[actmyname]

Ah here comes another narcissistic nobleman trying to assert his superiority by pushing out these literary growing pains of mini-essays that nobody cares about. And while you are still at it, could you please give Lauda some private lessons in English punctuation 'cause I think his English textbook is not up to snuff and I am tired of reading his inappropriately used commas that tend to litter his nicely spaced out ramblings.

Thanks for your time and have a nice day, knobhead 

Why quote the whole post and make a reply that is not even 10% the size of the quote block?
It's useless, unnecessary, wastes time, and is redundant. see what i did there? it's called a joke
And the random bolded n's are pointless. You didn't even bold the "not" in your second sentence so there's that inconsistency.I quite like the size of nullius's replies. It makes me happy to see coherency across a large chunk of text that can flow twenty times better than the dialogue by account farmers and spammers.

[Vod]

Why quote the whole post and make a reply that is not even 10% the size of the quote block?
It's useless, unnecessary, wastes time, and is redundant

I agree - I don't merit posts that don't quote properly.  We don't need to read through 15 quotes and sub quotes to get to an answer, whether it is a one line shitpost or the best answer in the world.  

Please edit your quotes!  

[TMAN]

The last couple of pages in this thread have been a pleasure to read.. slightly off topic I know, but you can easily understand why users like Vod, Actmyname, nullius and Lauda all are given merit and why the merit system was introduced.

The pajeets really have turned this forum into cancer, once the farmers and spam posting fucks leave this place the forum will become a much better place to socialize. Nullius is a relatively new user but provides some great value here, people like them deserve the right to earn from signature campaigns.

anyway op you are a prized cunt, Actmyname is a pimp and I would support them sending you a shit envelope to your house every day for a month..

[johhnyUA]

I think you've got it wrong. Why would you care for someone that doesn't affect you at all? You can't compare empathy in earlier years and now. Communities were smaller and you kind of got to know and benefit from one another.

You almost hit the nail on the head.  See what I said above about “group loyalty”. [pathos arguments from another "i living in rich socialist country but i'm great cynic" member]

Another "mommy's expert"  
Why i don't like nerds? They pretty good at technical parts of something, but because they have very poor social experience, their conclusions about any relationship between peoples are wrong.
Of course, i could be wrong, and you're not nerd, but self-made millionare from one of the Jack's London novel. Who hard working day by day to get his money, who grew up on the street and know all about this life and people. In that case i take my words backward. Such people have right to think in such way. BUT NOT A NERDS! 

No, not really.  

Yeah, but you're just theorist and i'm practitioner (i could be wrong as i said before). For example, post-USSR prisons. Our (i mean Ukraine, russia and other former republics) society don't have any "empathy" for criminals. If you got into the prison once, your life ruined at all. And what happens after prisoner go free? Yeah, he makes another crime and go to jail again (mostly). Because we don't have mechanism to rehabilitate such kind of people.
Yeah, maybe it doesn't have any associated with empathy, but sounds cool and pathos  


Also, Renaissance was one of the most darker part in human history. Occultism, great wars, unsanitary conditions, Witch Hunt, Black Plague. We just modernized meaning of "humanism"  

[Jet Cash]

I don't know why you guys bother. Since I've started to use the ignore button, the forum has improved immensely.

[actmyname]

I don't know why you guys bother. Since I've started to use the ignore button, the forum has improved immensely.

Yeah, ignoring is cool and all but then if you're having a nice day and in the mood for some light entertainment, it's too bothersome to click on the 'show' or quote the user. Might as well see what wild thing they conjure up next time.I have ignored a few users but for the most part, I can do without—it's fine just mentally ignoring them, even when they have long-ass quotes.

[squatter]

One individual anecdote also doesn't really disprove his claim that merit is concentrated in Meta and in limited social groups. From my observation, I'm guessing he's right about that, but I don't have any forum-wide statistics to point to. Has anyone scraped stats to look at the actual distribution among sub-forums?

Here's one data point:


Mostly all from Meta or otherwise merit/forum ranking-related (i.e. meta threads in other boards). I don't see any technical threads.

Like I said, it's sort of expected that merit will be concentrated in community-oriented boards like Meta. But maybe we can be realistic about the system's limitations...

[2girls]

The racist elitist, actmyname will soon be gone from Bitcointalk! Thank you, Jesus for level-headed admins. Goodbye, gunslinging idiot.




"When you fight against shit posts with a shit-face asshole, you get more of the shit."

I think that actmyname has been too hasty with some of his negatives, but I haven't had time to look carefully enough into it to justify making forceful changes. I did exclude actmyname from my trust list, so another DT1 could remove him from the default trust network by doing the same.

Now, I'm not 100% sure that actmyname's ratings are outside of what I would consider appropriate, which is why I didn't take action to immediately remove him. But from what I've seen, it does seem likely that he is too trigger-happy.

AGREED

The Forum is now safe from Evils and is on Safe Hands now.      Thank You

[HodorHodl]

Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going. But that's my issue. I've quoted a post by a person I don't like much. This isn't secret.

I work in a position where I am responsible for looking after 20 direct reports, who in turn look after a chain of over 500 indirect reports. I rely on these people to empathise with our customers and drive promotion. If I were to adopt this frankly ridiculous position, the company I represent could never have grown.

If you are day-trading, it might be fair to say "Emotion is a weakness, etc.".

But living on a planet made up of diverse egos, wants, needs, ambitions, complaints, weaknesses and strengths, this outlook is foolish in the extreme, and is most definitely a weakness when dealing with people.

Cannot express my contempt more than that. The quotee is weak, not the person who shows empathy.

I'd rather look after my 500 people than spend my time being horrific to the people I think might one day own part of my 500 Bitcoins. Not that this person has that much. They'd have retired long ago if they did.

Disgusting attitude.

[nullius]

[Snip huge, untrimmed quote which would get Wendigo flamed to a cinder on Usenet.]

Ah here comes another narcissistic nobleman trying to assert his superiority by pushing out these literary growing pains of mini-essays that nobody cares about. And while you are still at it, could you please give Lauda some private lessons in English punctuation 'cause I think his English textbook is not up to snuff and I am tired of reading his inappropriately used commas that tend to litter his nicely spaced out ramblings.

Thanks for your time and have a nice day, knobhead  ;D

Once upon a time, I seduced a beauteous lady of arts and letters with a running erotic joke about commas, interspersed with intercourse on Byron.  Thence ensued a story more appropriate for /u/GirlsGoneBitcoin than here, wherein she confirmed my reputation as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know”.  Thus, I do understand why you’re jealous of my way with words; you should be.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going.

And your opinion matters, because...?

Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going. But that's my issue. I've quoted a post by a person I don't like much. This isn't secret.

Shame on you for cherry-picking a quote, and leveraging that to take a holier-than-thou attitude toward someone who has freely given extraordinary amounts of time to helping newbies, squashing predatory scammers, and fighting spam.  I don’t wonder why your reply picked on that, instead of this:

...I won't forget that he took on his own time to help with empathy someone he didn't know.

I have helped thousands of users here over the years, and felt no empathy towards any case. You do not need empathy to help someone. You were saying?

I am also unsurprised that you argued with one line out of a discussion, whilst conveniently avoiding all I said in my own far more detailed substantive response.

Disgusting attitude.

Yours is.  Moreover, the whole notion of “empathy” is disgusting.  It is nothing more than an emotional blank cheque demanded by the weak and incompetent on those who are not so.  It is the distilled essence of the Sklavenmoral.  But as all such things, it is a poison which acts only against those who choose to drink it.  Repudiate the concept, and it is as powerless as its preachers.

I work in a position where I am responsible for looking after 20 direct reports, who in turn look after a chain of over 500 indirect reports. I rely on these people to empathise with our customers and drive promotion. If I were to adopt this frankly ridiculous position, the company I represent could never have grown.

Nice boast, as a setup for an air of superiority.  But you must be new to the Internet, if you presume that others will do other than take that a grain of salt.  Maybe you’re telling the truth; maybe you’re not.  I don’t care, either way.  You will never know who I am.  In either case, publicly visible actions hold more weight than mere stories.

Now, you’ve popped up in this thread with rude pretension, unjustifiable contempt, and imperious demands unmatched by your ability to argue a point, much less enforce yours on anybody.  What it boils down to is more whining:  So, you’re “actually hating that this thread is still going”.  That’s amusing enough, but also mildly irritating.  Shoo.  If you so hate this, then I think we can agree (or at least concur) that you shouldn’t stick around here.


I owe others a reply upthread (including squatter’s well-thought response; fancy that, a desire for quantitative data with a sample size greater than one).  Have not forgotten.  TODO.  Meanwhile, I intend to fulfill my promises to anybody who brought popcorn.

[actisstupidname]

Meh. Nullius likes to mastubate while sucking DT dicks. How gross! Get some sunshine, boy. Or do some coding. Your Github needs some lovin.




"It's what I call "mental masturbation", when you engage is some pointless intellectual exercise that has no possible meaning." - Linus Torvalds

[HodorHodl]

Once upon a time, I seduced a beauteous lady of arts and letters with a running erotic joke about commas, interspersed with intercourse on Byron.  Thence ensued a story more appropriate for /u/GirlsGoneBitcoin than here, wherein she confirmed my reputation as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know”.  Thus, I do understand why you’re jealous of my way with words; you should be.

Discourse, you fucking cretin, DISCOURSE.

The rest of it makes no sense either.

You're not one half as clever as you wish everybody thinks you should be.

Idiot.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going.

And your opinion matters, because...?

It matters precisely as much as your opinion, which is not at all. Don't go thinking that you're some kind of insightful sage. You're not. You're an imbecile.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going. But that's my issue. I've quoted a post by a person I don't like much. This isn't secret.

Shame on you for cherry-picking a quote, and leveraging that to take a holier-than-thou attitude toward someone who has freely given extraordinary amounts of time to helping newbies, squashing predatory scammers, and fighting spam.  I don’t wonder why your reply picked on that, instead of this:

Oh, I feel dreadfully ashamed. In fact, I've decided to become a monk, out of pure shame.

No, wait.

What I meant is this...

I have helped thousands of users here over the years (etc)

Who? Give me just 5 examples, nullius? Just those.

Ones WITHOUT Lauda being an insufferably arrogant prick about it. Go for it.

I am also unsurprised that you argued with one line out of a discussion, whilst conveniently avoiding all I said in my own far more detailed substantive response.

Do you seriously think that response had anything useful in it? A little "intercourse" (DISCOURSE YOU PRICK) about your own stats?

You know, when I masturbate, I do it honestly.

Disgusting attitude.

Yours is.  Moreover, the whole notion of “empathy” is disgusting.  It is nothing more than an emotional blank cheque demanded by the weak and incompetent on those who are not so.  It is the distilled essence of the Sklavenmoral.  But as all such things, it is a poison which acts only against those who choose to drink it.  Repudiate the concept, and it is as powerless as its preachers.

Let's fuck some weird Neitzschie foolishness in there as well, so that the easily-intimidated will back off in the face of your overpowering intellectualism.

It's amazing that you have chosen not to display it here, though.

Maybe that's another philosophical ideal? Probably has a word too. Arsebuiscuitism? Tosserology? Fuck it, you pick one.

I work in a position where I am responsible for looking after 20 direct reports, who in turn look after a chain of over 500 indirect reports. I rely on these people to empathise with our customers and drive promotion. If I were to adopt this frankly ridiculous position, the company I represent could never have grown.

Nice boast, as a setup for an air of superiority.  But you must be new to the Internet, if you presume that others will do other than take that a grain of salt.  Maybe you’re telling the truth; maybe you’re not.  I don’t care, either way.  You will never know who I am.  In either case, publicly visible actions hold more weight than mere stories.

Now, you’ve popped up in this thread with rude pretension, unjustifiable contempt, and imperious demands unmatched by your ability to argue a point, much less enforce yours on anybody.  What it boils down to is more whining:  So, you’re “actually hating that this thread is still going”.  That’s amusing enough, but also mildly irritating.  Shoo.  If you so hate this, then I think we can agree (or at least concur) that you shouldn’t stick around here.

I owe others a reply upthread (including squatter’s well-thought response; fancy that, a desire for quantitative data with a sample size greater than one).  Have not forgotten.  TODO.  Meanwhile, I intend to fulfill my promises to anybody who brought popcorn.

What I wrote was the truth. I don't need to set myself up to feel superior to you. The reality is that you are just giving that to people, with your smug and arrogant mode of non-argument.

In summary....

I don't know who robbed the jam out of your donut, but it's clear that you are so dreadfully butthurt by the entire planet, that a donut is exactly what you need to soothe your chapped arse.

Want to play more word games?

EDIT: Just to let you know, I'm off to bed now. This means you have 5-6 hours to get your rage good and hot. Make sure you pick pertinent quotes, now, and if you need any more pseudo-philosophical theories to throw around (with associated almost-german words), here's a link: https://www.pinterest.ie/fiveatheart59/philosophical-bullshit/ Have fun!

[nullius]

[$@§!]

As a rule, you always know you hit just the right spot when the vulgarity meter pegs.

Once upon a time, I seduced a beauteous lady of arts and letters with a running erotic joke about commas, interspersed with intercourse on Byron.  Thence ensued a story more appropriate for /u/GirlsGoneBitcoin than here, wherein she confirmed my reputation as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know”.  Thus, I do understand why you’re jealous of my way with words; you should be.

Discourse, you fucking cretin, DISCOURSE.

Do you seriously think that response had anything useful in it? A little "intercourse" (DISCOURSE YOU PRICK) about your own stats?

I enjoy being hypercorrected by pretentious morons who neither grasp (not-so-)subtle double entendre, nor even know the definitions of basic English words:

intercourse

noun

1. dealings or communication between individuals, groups, countries, etc.

2. interchange of thoughts, feelings, etc.

3. sexual relations or a sexual coupling, especially coitus.

(Aside:  The sense of sexual coupling is actually a euphemism; the denotations of “dealings, communication; interchange of thoughts” are original.  Source:  My own knowledge of etymology.  Go get your own education, you degenerate anti-intellectual.)

(with associated almost-german words)

Actually, it is German.  Per the mighty Duden:

Skla­ven­mo­ral, die

Wortart: Substantiv, feminin
Gebrauch: Philosophie

[...]

Herkunft
nach dem deutschen Philosophen F. Nietzsche (1844–1900)

Let's fuck some weird Neitzschie foolishness in there as well, so that the easily-intimidated will back off in the face of your overpowering intellectualism.

The correct spelling is “Nietzsche”.  And what did I say about the vulgarity meter?  It shows that I hit where it hurts:  Directly upon your own sense of jealous inferiority.  The Sklavenmoral does suit you, after all.  No wonder you are such a zealot for empathy.  You need it, and also its incestuous twin:  Pity.

For not only are you anti-intellectual, but you are also a classless boor.  The two qualities (or lacks thereof) do seem so oft coincident.

[extended anti-intellectual mouth-frothing]

Beneath reply.  Please try not to lose your cool so badly when bossing your alleged 20 direct reports and 500 indirect peons.  They need for you to keep your job, so that you can continue shoving them around.  But nobody here needs that.

[Wendigo]

[Snip huge, untrimmed quote which would get Wendigo flamed to a cinder on Usenet.]

Ah here comes another narcissistic nobleman trying to assert his superiority by pushing out these literary growing pains of mini-essays that nobody cares about. And while you are still at it, could you please give Lauda some private lessons in English punctuation 'cause I think his English textbook is not up to snuff and I am tired of reading his inappropriately used commas that tend to litter his nicely spaced out ramblings.

Thanks for your time and have a nice day, knobhead 

Once upon a time, I seduced a beauteous lady of arts and letters with a running erotic joke about commas, interspersed with intercourse on Byron.  Thence ensued a story more appropriate for /u/GirlsGoneBitcoin than here, wherein she confirmed my reputation as “mad, bad, and dangerous to know”.  Thus, I do understand why you’re jealous of my way with words; you should be.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going.

And your opinion matters, because...?

Empathy is a weakness. All it does is cloud your judgement, thus severely impacting your ability to think rationally.

I'm actually hating that this thread is still going. But that's my issue. I've quoted a post by a person I don't like much. This isn't secret.

Shame on you for cherry-picking a quote, and leveraging that to take a holier-than-thou attitude toward someone who has freely given extraordinary amounts of time to helping newbies, squashing predatory scammers, and fighting spam.  I don’t wonder why your reply picked on that, instead of this:

...I won't forget that he took on his own time to help with empathy someone he didn't know.

I have helped thousands of users here over the years, and felt no empathy towards any case. You do not need empathy to help someone. You were saying?

I am also unsurprised that you argued with one line out of a discussion, whilst conveniently avoiding all I said in my own far more detailed substantive response.

Disgusting attitude.

Yours is.  Moreover, the whole notion of “empathy” is disgusting.  It is nothing more than an emotional blank cheque demanded by the weak and incompetent on those who are not so.  It is the distilled essence of the Sklavenmoral.  But as all such things, it is a poison which acts only against those who choose to drink it.  Repudiate the concept, and it is as powerless as its preachers.

I work in a position where I am responsible for looking after 20 direct reports, who in turn look after a chain of over 500 indirect reports. I rely on these people to empathise with our customers and drive promotion. If I were to adopt this frankly ridiculous position, the company I represent could never have grown.

Nice boast, as a setup for an air of superiority.  But you must be new to the Internet, if you presume that others will do other than take that a grain of salt.  Maybe you’re telling the truth; maybe you’re not.  I don’t care, either way.  You will never know who I am.  In either case, publicly visible actions hold more weight than mere stories.

Now, you’ve popped up in this thread with rude pretension, unjustifiable contempt, and imperious demands unmatched by your ability to argue a point, much less enforce yours on anybody.  What it boils down to is more whining:  So, you’re “actually hating that this thread is still going”.  That’s amusing enough, but also mildly irritating.  Shoo.  If you so hate this, then I think we can agree (or at least concur) that you shouldn’t stick around here.


I owe others a reply upthread (including squatter’s well-thought response; fancy that, a desire for quantitative data with a sample size greater than one).  Have not forgotten.  TODO.  Meanwhile, I intend to fulfill my promises to anybody who brought popcorn.

Did that beauteous lady of arts and letters have a neck beard and a fedora hat by any chance? If they did I have some really bad news for you 

[nullius]

<big snip>

It says much about you that you’re more effective at irritating people with LONG, UNTRIMMED QUOTES WHICH WOULD GET YOU FLAMED TO A CINDER ON USENET than with your puerile locker-room insults.

As the only member of this forum who has ever received +50 for an insult, as a shriek from the target of the insult, I grade you as an F in destructive creativity.  No, “F” for failure, you gutter-minded dolt.  Boorish and boring is not a winning combination.

[Wendigo]

<big snip>

It says much about you that you’re more effective at irritating people with LONG, UNTRIMMED QUOTES WHICH WOULD GET YOU FLAMED TO A CINDER ON USENET than with your puerile locker-room insults.

As the only member of this forum who has ever received +50 for an insult, as a shriek from the target of the insult, I grade you as an F in destructive creativity.  No, “F” for failure, you gutter-minded dolt.  Boorish and boring is not a winning combination.

What is an Usenet?

[nullius]

What is an Usenet?

Usenet is where people trolled, argued, and insulted each other shared knowledge, friendship, and source code long before the Web was invented.  Though it later ran over the Internet, it originally was distributed through UUCP.  Judging your age by your mental level, I infer that must have been before your parents were born.

Here, wiki link.  Shiny.  Go read.

[Wendigo]

What is an Usenet?

Usenet is where people trolled, argued, and insulted each other shared knowledge, friendship, and source code long before the Web was invented.  Though it later ran over the Internet, it originally was distributed through UUCP.  Judging by your mental level, I infer that must have been before your parents were born.

Here, wiki link.  Shiny.  Go read.

What is UCCP?

I am wasting much less time trolling you so the joke is on you. Efficiency trumps effort 

[johhnyUA]

Yours is.  Moreover, the whole notion of “empathy” is disgusting.  It is nothing more than an emotional blank cheque demanded by the weak and incompetent on those who are not so.  It is the distilled essence of the Sklavenmoral.  But as all such things, it is a poison which acts only against those who choose to drink it.  Repudiate the concept, and it is as powerless as its preachers.

No, it's neuro- reaction. It's in our nature (in most of us, bro) - "Research in recent years has focused on possible brain processes underlying the experience of empathy. For instance, functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) has been employed to investigate the functional anatomy of empathy. These studies have shown that observing another person's emotional state activates parts of the neuronal network involved in processing that same state in oneself, whether it is"
You can check sources by yourself - here

Of course, as i said before psychopaths, misanthropes and other very useful part of society doesn't have such neuro mechanisms.

But one important moment: Are we talking about "empathy" in meaning "the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, i.e., the capacity to place oneself in another's position" ? If yes - all that you're write above it's nonsence. Real creepy nonsence.  It's the same to said that bitcoin will die because it's not provided with gold. Or

that miners have complete power and if you are not mining there is not much you can do. Miners are the ones who control the network I mean we should say mining pools as mining solo is not what we want.

 
And now i'm looks like this guy who said

WRONG.

And you like him - bitfools  

Empathy helps to us in very various ways: starting from helping an old man with heavy luggage to not to kill a random beauty girl on the dark park because you wan't to fuck her dead body. Don't tell me that fear of the punishment stops you from doing that.   There too many ways to avoid it (i don't have statistic how it in western countries but i have for my country. Only 50 % of heavy crimes disclosed).

[exstasie]

Of course, as i said before psychopaths, misanthropes and other very useful part of society doesn't have such neuro mechanisms.

Yeah. I’ve been reading the commentary about “empathy” and I’m puzzled....are we all talking about the same “empathy” that separates psychopaths from society? Because I’m not aware of any other relevant definition than ~ “the ability to understand and share feelings of another.” According to the DSM-5, lacking empathy is a basis for antisocial personality disorder, formerly known as psychopathy or sociopathy. I’m not the most compassionate person in the world, but I’m amazed at the degree some people here show such disdain for other human beings.

Is this the consensus opinion?—That psychopaths are good and everyone else is weak for having feelings? I don’t know how else to interpret “the whole notion of empathy is disgusting.” I know we’re all expected to be 4-Chan-esque assholes here, but I didn’t realize you people embody that culture IRL. The fact that this is encouraged as a legitimate ethical position blows my mind. And clearly, liberal pro-intervention political positions are being used as a straw man for basic human emotions.

At least now I understand the culture here a bit better. I guess this is what happens when Randian and Rothbardian ideas are overwhelmingly pushed as dogma without discourse.

Markets may be zero sum. As a trader, I can acknowledge this. But life is not; human society is not. If you really perceive human connection as a weakness, I’m guessing you’re either a very angry and lonely kid or a sociopathic adult. I didn’t build my network of friends, clients and business contacts by completely disregarding them as human beings. Basic human emotions like empathy (which equates to social skills) were required. I really don’t think sociopaths function well in society, no matter how often they puff  their image up online (like a blowfish).

Just my 2 cents. I’ll fuck off back to Speculation now....

[Lauda]

Of course, as i said before psychopaths, misanthropes and other very useful part of society doesn't have such neuro mechanisms.

Yeah. I’ve been reading the commentary about “empathy” and I’m puzzled....are we all talking about the same “empathy” that separates psychopaths from society?  Because I’m not aware of any other relevant definition than ~ “the ability to understand and share feelings of another.” According to the DSM-5, lacking empathy is a basis for antisocial personality disorder (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder), formerly known as psychopathy or sociopathy. I’m not the most compassionate person in the world, but I’m amazed at the degree some people here show such disdain for other human beings.
-snip-

Calling someone a psychopath as a way of criticizing their philosophy is just fallacious. You need to read a lot of Nietzsche's writing[1] to understand why he thought the way that he did. If you do, it is very likely that you will also become a "psychopath". I think that you are also fundamentally confusing 'inherent lack of empathy' with rejecting empathy because you see it as a weakness. Those two are not exactly the same.

If you really perceive human connection as a weakness, I’m guessing you’re either a very angry and lonely kid or a sociopathic adult.

False generalization. How about another 'OR' you are a just a free thinker?

I didn’t build my network of friends, clients and business contacts by completely disregarding them as human beings. Basic human emotions like empathy (which equates to social skills) were required.

Building networks of *whatever* =/= having empathy =/= needing empathy =/= being a sociopath/psychopath.

Hopefully no one on DT gives me negative trust for expressing an unpopular opinion which might be construed as supporting those horrid Filipino spammers who make you all so angry all the time.....

I would say that it is not likely, although it has happened before. I'm pretty sure that you expressed a popular opinion given the Sklavenmoral, i.e. most Joe's are modern slaves in a way and would agree with "praising empathy".
[1] It is also on my TODO list.
Note: Freud on Nietzsche: "He had more penetrating knowledge of himself than any man who ever lived or was likely to live.". Apparently the source is supposed to be this book, although I can't really confirm that.
The thread diverged to the point where it could be split into a Politics and Society thread though.

[nullius]

You need to read a lot of Nietzsche's writing[1] to understand why he thought the way that he did.

[...]

[1] It is also on my TODO list.

It’s good to see that some people still believe in reading books, rather than simply Googling for unfamiliar words:

Let's fuck some weird Neitzschie foolishness in there as well, so that the easily-intimidated will back off in the face of your overpowering intellectualism.
[...]
and if you need any more pseudo-philosophical theories to throw around (with associated almost-german words), here's a link: https://www.pinterest.ie/fiveatheart59/philosophical-bullshit/ Have fun!

I myself have not yet made it through all of his sixteen books.  That takes awhile, together with comprehending the nineteenth-century social-historical context against which e.g. he prefaced The Will to Power, “What I am now going to relate is the history of the next two centuries.  I shall describe what will happen, what must necessarily happen: the triumph of nihilism.”

Also apropos hereof, with boldface supplied:

I reduce a principle to a formula.  Every naturalism in morality—that is, every healthy morality—is dominated by an instinct of life, some commandment of life is fulfilled by a determinate canon of “shalt” and “shalt not”; some inhibition and hostile element on the path of life is thus removed.  Anti-natural morality—that is, almost every morality which has so far been taught, revered, and preached—turns, conversely, against the instincts of life: it is condemnation of these instincts, now secret, now outspoken and impudent.  When it says, “God looks at the heart,” it says No to both the lowest and the highest desires of life, and posits God as the enemy of life.  The saint in whom God delights is the ideal eunuch.  Life has come to an end where the “kingdom of God” begins.

The thread diverged to the point where it could be split into a Politics and Society thread though.

I intended to do exactly that, yesterday, with my reply to johhnyUA.  The greatest substance thereof was written immediately; but I decided to gather some supporting pictures, so as to aid comprehension by those who don’t read.  Will do, and link from here.

P.S.—

If nature have no pity on the degenerate, it is not therefore immoral: the growth of physiological and moral evils in the human race, is rather the result of morbid and unnatural morality.  The sensitiveness of the majority of men is both morbid and unnatural.  Why is it that mankind is corrupt in a moral and physiological respect?  The body degenerates if one organ is unsound.  The right of altruism cannot be traced to physiology, neither can the right to help and to the equality of fate: these are all premiums for degenerates and failures.  There can be no solidarity in a society containing unfruitful, unproductive, and destructive members, who, by the bye, are bound to have offspring even more degenerate than they are themselves.

Edit, P.P.S.—I missed this on an initial skim over foolishness:

I guess this is what happens when Randian and Rothbardian ideas are overwhelmingly pushed as dogma without discourse.

I was waiting for some thoughtless nitwit to accuse me of following the pseudointellectual pretender known as “Ayn Rand”.  No, I do not.  I pass that judgment after having read all of her published works, and then regretting the waste of my time.

I’ve never read Rothbard.  Thus, I can’t very well be advocating for his ideas, much less pushing them as “dogma”.

[johhnyUA]

[Many Nietzsche quotes]

You must admit, that Nietzsche works it's just his own opinion and ideas. Of course, it's his (and YOUR) right to think in such way. But he was just theologian and philologist, not a sociologist (or something).
It's very naively and foolishly to use another's (EVEN IF IT IS Nietzsche or some other famous philosopher) opinion or counclusions for your own life. Life is much compilated thing and noone can understand it all. Different problems - different answers 

[HodorHodl]

<Massive irrelevant snip>

I've decided not to bother engaging with you anymore.

Just had a look at your post history, and you've quite simply just gone full Jane Austin. From your perspective, you're just owning the place, right? Well, from mine (and the other people you think are "peasants"), you're just looking more and more foolish every post. But you know what, I don't actually need to take on any worry over you. So I won't

No doubt you'll chalk this down as a massive victory - you have a history of doing that. Hey, listen, you take your wins where you perceive them, even if the reality is a bit different. As long as Starbucks keep allowing you sole use of that double-table for your gramophone and MacBook Pro, more power to your elbow. Reality bites, sooner or later. Wear thick underwear, it's coming for you.

Parting comment: I've met people like you before. You are clearly intelligent, and I wouldn't take that from you. But your emotional development has been very seriously impeded somewhere along your path. Frankly, I don't care about that - it's your problem. However, you try to move through life with that attitude, and sooner or later, you will meet someone who will not only react badly to your patronising and arrogant demeanour , but will also be in a position to very seriously affect the quality of your life. I wish you the very best of luck. You will most certainly need it.

Out.

[actmyname]

This thread has derailed. Completely—not even in the same zip code anymore.In regards to the actual topic, I'm interested in seeing OgNasty's opinion on my DefaultTrust status, given that they are an active DT1 member that has the ability of fully excluding me. I don't believe that I've seen any weigh-ins yet.

[Lauda]

In regards to the actual topic, I'm interested in seeing OgNasty's opinion on my DefaultTrust status, given that they are an active DT1 member that has the ability of fully excluding me. I don't believe that I've seen any weigh-ins yet.

If you want to resolve that quickly, either: a) Say that you strongly support me. b) Disagree with him on *something*. Voila, you are no longer part of DT.

[OgNasty]

This thread has derailed. Completely—not even in the same zip code anymore.In regards to the actual topic, I'm interested in seeing OgNasty's opinion on my DefaultTrust status, given that they are an active DT1 member that has the ability of fully excluding me. I don't believe that I've seen any weigh-ins yet.

I'm not sure why I'm being mentioned here, but you can say "he is" instead of "they are" as I'm not a delusional sociopath.  

Answering your request, I believe I was going to exclude you along with The Pharmacist (I might have even done it for a period of time).  If memory serves me correct it had to do with a thread I read recently aimed at you both suddenly unleashing a wave of red over the forum's users.  However, from what I read it seemed like you understood your actions were counter to the forum's stance on the issue while The Pharmacist expressed that he respected my decision to exclude him.  If I was wrong and you are going to act like The Pharmacist and make racist posts talking down to newbies, I will most definitely add you to my exclusion list.

OgNasty, I respect your decision fully.

[actmyname]

I'm not sure why I'm being mentioned here, but you can say "he is" instead of "they are" as I'm not a delusional sociopath.

Will do so in future mentions. Thanks for clarifying.

If I was wrong and you are going to act like The Pharmacist and make racist posts talking down to newbies, I will most definitely add you to my exclusion list.

While I don't completely align with some of The Pharmacist's remarks, I do believe that they have a significant portion of valid negative feedback ratings, which is why I plan on taking a look at some of their ratings in case accounts that warrant the red trust are now made neutral.I don't think I have made or will make any racist remarks towards others.

[bobq]

It’s good to see that some people still believe in reading books, rather than simply Googling for unfamiliar words.

This sentence made my day
I write books and with your permission I may one day quote this sentence, when it would fit the context, and I will credit it to Nullius of to any other name you'd PM me.

[4x4et]

Well, not really, he is obviously riding again.

Can someone tell me why this idiot actmyname was banned?

Was it the usual - lying, blackmailing, scamming, extortion - as Lauda and Suchmoon, a.k.a members of his gang?

[JayJuanGee]

Well, not really, he is obviously riding again.

Can someone tell me why this idiot actmyname was banned?

Was it the usual - lying, blackmailing, scamming, extortion - as Lauda and Suchmoon, a.k.a members of his gang?

Why don't you explain yourself a little better and perhaps provide some links, logic, facts to support your assertions?

Is actmyname really banned, and what is the date of such banning and what is your evidence?

And from my understanding Lauda and Suchmoon are upstanding forum members (sure they get attacked from time to time, but how are members going to know what you are talking about based on mere assertions), so what is the evidence, logic, facts for the accusations that you are throwing in their direction?

I don't necessarily have a problem with anything that you say, if it were to be true, but the superficiality of your assertions, especially when you are bad mouthing other members should be supported by links, facts and/or logic, and your lack of providing such support causes me to doubt what you are saying to be beyond mere mudslinging.  

Edited:

By the way, I just looked at your trust rating, and perhaps you are focusing on Actmyname, Lauda and Suchmoon because they are three out of four trusted members who have given negative trust to you... which to me, means that you have even a greater burden to substantiate the claims of your previous post with evidence and logic.