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September 05, 2019, 06:42:59 AM
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How is this any different than a provably fair dice game? Basically the server knows the server seed, nonce and most likely 99% of the time the client seed since many gamblers never change the client seed manually.

So lets say someone is betting on 50/50 and they never change any parameters then the server can know whether they will make money or lose money in the next hundred rolls or so.

The server knows what the outcome will be ahead of time but the server doesn't know if the client will actually take a particular bet. The client can also change the odds which would also change whether the house makes money or not.
The difference is the style of game basically. Is it same for people who get out at x2 for example? Sure, it does look eerily similar however this game doesn't have that offline single player dice method, here you play with a lot of other people and bet on the same game together which creates a different set of community.

Basically, with the idea that house edge similar you can play any other game like plinko and say the game is similar to dice, or you can play on poker/sportsbooks and say it is different however when it comes to gambling almost everything looks similar with the exact same house edge which is why games are different in play style.

Bustabit might have the same house edge but the game is insanely different and provides much more as a community instead of playing as an individual.

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The problem with that approach is that there is no way for the customer to tell whether the casino is really generating the rolls randomly. They could be choosing them deliberately some percentage of the time to make the players lose more than they should.
Isn't this the one you call house edge?

No. The house edge is something quite different. Your chance of winning any particular bet is slightly lower than the payout would imply. For instance if you're betting to double your money you might expect to win 50% of the time, but the house adjusts the payout to make its edge. The payout for a 50% chance is typically around 1.98x, and your chance to win a 2x bet is typically 49.5%. That's how the edge is built in. There's no "choosing them deliberately some percentage of the time to make the players lose more than they should" involved.

With the knowledge of the operator to know the result, wouldn't they be able to give you a seed where it could be checked and be proven the right outcome but they gave the "losing" part to the player? I guess you would just really trust the site when you gamble.

No again. Provably fair sites allow the players to check for themselves that they aren't being cheated. We were talking about the people bankrolling the site. It's possible for the site (in collusion with its auditors if necessary) to cheat those people without it being detected, but not for it to cheat its players.

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September 07, 2019, 04:19:35 PM
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As far as I understand the gameplay, the goal is to win against the bank before it collapses.  But I can’t understand how my winnings depend on the volume of bets I have made?  It seems to me that everyone can win this game if he is not greedy.

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September 07, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
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But I can’t understand how my winnings depend on the volume of bets I have made?  It seems to me that everyone can win this game if he is not greedy.
That's what net profit means you basically combine the profits you've made from all of your bets.

It seems to me that everyone can win this game if he is not greedy.
Not everyone can win even if they're not greedy there's always a bunch of people losing on certain rounds..

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September 08, 2019, 02:38:17 PM
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But I can’t understand how my winnings depend on the volume of bets I have made?  It seems to me that everyone can win this game if he is not greedy.
That's what net profit means you basically combine the profits you've made from all of your bets.

It seems to me that everyone can win this game if he is not greedy.
Not everyone can win even if they're not greedy there's always a bunch of people losing on certain rounds..
As I understand it, if there is a condition for raising rates after each win, can I use the previous win without making a new deposit?  Regarding winning and losing, everything is clear here, because gambling is precisely who is luckier. Grin By the way, I am currently following this project a lot and I was pleasantly surprised by the information that a provably fair game scheme is in place to eliminate any further doubts about legitimacy.  Respect.

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September 08, 2019, 09:06:51 PM
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I found another site without a license. (onehash.com/moon)
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September 10, 2019, 04:56:21 PM
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well it's good site for high rollers but not the best for odds there is many other sites provide better odds last night i saw 9 then 9 then 13 reds a row which is was insane almost other sites max reds 8 / 11 not that much bustabit good for high rollers only
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September 12, 2019, 02:50:19 PM
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well it's good site for high rollers but not the best for odds there is many other sites provide better odds last night i saw 9 then 9 then 13 reds a row which is was insane almost other sites max reds 8 / 11 not that much bustabit good for high rollers only

bustabit's house edge is only 1%. That's fairly standard in the industry, certainly not higher than ordinary.

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September 12, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
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I found another site without a license. (onehash.com/moon)

At a quick glance it doesn't look like they are using bustabit's old source code. If that's the case they don't need a license. Only bustabit's source code is protected, not the concept of a crash game itself.

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September 12, 2019, 03:39:57 PM
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I found another site without a license. (onehash.com/moon)

At a quick glance it doesn't look like they are using bustabit's old source code. If that's the case they don't need a license. Only bustabit's source code is protected, not the concept of a crash game itself.
At first onehash is reputable website and they are on btctalk for a long time, they wouldn't do such action for two reason: 1. Copyright 2. Forum ethics

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Btw don't you plan to make some changes in game UI? It's very, very old, as far as I remember it was never changed.

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September 12, 2019, 05:34:55 PM
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Someone allegedly has some issues/misunderstandings with Bustabit. He opened a thread titled "Bustabit - scam or hacking - HELP ME"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183720.0;topicseen

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September 13, 2019, 12:36:53 PM
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Someone allegedly has some issues/misunderstandings with Bustabit. He opened a thread titled "Bustabit - scam or hacking - HELP ME"

It looks like he's already received good advice in the thread, namely to contact me via bustabit's support request form at https://www.bustabit.com/support if he has an issue with his account.

I cannot discuss other players' support requests or private information, but it's worth noting a few things: bustabit never deletes an account on its own accord. The only time an account will be deleted is if the user requests it. Both withdrawing as well as deleting an account require the account's login credentials to be entered again to confirm.

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September 13, 2019, 12:39:23 PM
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Wish it was possible to license game because you can't imagine what happens outside your website. A lot of local casinos are so hyped with this game recently, they added it and attracted a lot of customer. This fact makes me sad that such a great website has less customers then those whom just cloned your website yesterday.

What do you mean by local casinos being hyped by bustabit? Do you mean you know of any brick and mortar casinos that have implemented a crash game like bustabit's? 😲

Btw don't you plan to make some changes in game UI? It's very, very old, as far as I remember it was never changed.

Although I'm constantly working on improving bustabit, I don't have any specific plans to revamp the user interface right now. For what it's worth bustabit–including its front end–underwent a complete rewrite from the ground up less than two years ago.

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September 13, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
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Someone allegedly has some issues/misunderstandings with Bustabit. He opened a thread titled "Bustabit - scam or hacking - HELP ME"

It looks like he's already received good advice in the thread, namely to contact me via bustabit's support request form at https://www.bustabit.com/support if he has an issue with his account.

I cannot discuss other players' support requests or private information, but it's worth noting a few things: bustabit never deletes an account on its own accord. The only time an account will be deleted is if the user requests it. Both withdrawing as well as deleting an account require the account's login credentials to be entered again to confirm.


I never doubted your honesty or your credibility. I just wanted to bring it to your attention since the claim made was hard to believe as a fault by the website.

Thank you for the clarification.

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September 14, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
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Someone allegedly has some issues/misunderstandings with Bustabit. He opened a thread titled "Bustabit - scam or hacking - HELP ME"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183720.0;topicseen

Yes there is a lot of similar rumors, wondering if it has been on the samee person and many people already giving some good explanation well enough but still he said that there is a scam between them. I am wondering if this is a internal problem coming from them or not


I found another site without a license. (onehash.com/moon)

At a quick glance it doesn't look like they are using bustabit's old source code. If that's the case they don't need a license. Only bustabit's source code is protected, not the concept of a crash game itself.
At first onehash is reputable website and they are on btctalk for a long time, they wouldn't do such action for two reason: 1. Copyright 2. Forum ethics

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Wish it was possible to license game because you can't imagine what happens outside your website. A lot of local casinos are so hyped with this game recently, they added it and attracted a lot of customer. This fact makes me sad that such a great website has less customers then those whom just cloned your website yesterday.
Btw don't you plan to make some changes in game UI? It's very, very old, as far as I remember it was never changed.

Dont you think it is a little bit too late for now to license their own game? At the first play, they are the one starting the open source so every single person may create the similar game. So if they are going to license the game it still not worth. May be some attraction will do to help the site

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September 14, 2019, 12:04:10 PM
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Yes there is a lot of similar rumors, wondering if it has been on the samee person and many people already giving some good explanation well enough but still he said that there is a scam between them. I am wondering if this is a internal problem coming from them or not

I'm not sure what you mean as that's the only thread about bustabit of its kind that I've seen. In any case it looks like the OP deleted the thread, so I assume that he's satisfied after getting in touch with me.


Dont you think it is a little bit too late for now to license their own game? At the first play, they are the one starting the open source so every single person may create the similar game. So if they are going to license the game it still not worth. May be some attraction will do to help the site

bustabit does sell licenses for its v1 software and a decent number of casinos use it: https://www.bustabit.com/license.txt. But to my knowledge bustabit's game concept itself cannot be protected, only the software itself. Of course I'm not a lawyer, so I might be wrong about that 😅

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