bustabit – The original crash game

[devans]

There is couple of stuff wrong with that link though. First of all is it just me or do you only see from 18th of march to today, I can't see anything before that, I would love to see some sort of chart that is basically exactly the same but from all of 2020 which we could analyze a lot better to see if lockdown had any affects or not. Secondly this is a second hand place, its not directly from bustabit and I am not 100% trusting a third party with the numbers devans could provide.

I still think we should wait for devans to provide some sort of chart himself, that would be a lot better and further back and more trustworthy. However, it is not something he has to share neither, he doesn't have to do it and that is something I can totally understand if he doesn't.

the dicesites link right ? data there is accurate and I have been watching it for several months ( there are some days where it broke and will show zero volume for that period till it gets updated by the dev which is usually within 3 days ) 
it pretty much have everything that investors need to know so not sure what devans can offer more than that

regarding the time frame you can adjust it at the bottom

For what it's worth, dicesites.com receives its data directly from bustabit and is run by NLNico, who is a trusted member of this forum.

The data being incomplete from March 29th is my fault, not dicesite.com's. I'll tackle that tomorrow as well.

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[desertfox470]

Is there any reason as to why it was restricted? I've personally never had this problem, and play pretty frequently so if it was done for no reason it seems suspicious to me.

While I have suspected that this person has systematically been scamming players on bustabit and bustadice for a while, I generally don't get involved in disputes between players as it's impossible for me to reliably determine who is in the right and who is in the wrong. However, after they admitted to it in private I decided to bar them from both bustabit and bustadice and muted all of their known accounts.

Since then they have attempted to evade the ban (presumably to continue conning players) with multiple accounts. On bustabit, all new accounts must wager before being able to chat, so in order to slow their ban evasion down I began temporarily locking withdrawals from their accounts. For what it's worth their account was locked for less than an hour.

bustabit generally only locks accounts if I have reason to believe an account might have been compromised. In these cases the locks are only temporary as well and (hopefully) allow the account's legitimate owner enough time to ensure they have sole control of it. It's worth restating that bustabit never prevents players from withdrawing their funds, even if they fail or refuse a KYC check, for example.

Thank you for that information. To me your actions seem fair. I am glad you watch out for your players.

[perfect999]

There is couple of stuff wrong with that link though. First of all is it just me or do you only see from 18th of march to today, I can't see anything before that, I would love to see some sort of chart that is basically exactly the same but from all of 2020 which we could analyze a lot better to see if lockdown had any affects or not. Secondly this is a second hand place, its not directly from bustabit and I am not 100% trusting a third party with the numbers devans could provide.

I still think we should wait for devans to provide some sort of chart himself, that would be a lot better and further back and more trustworthy. However, it is not something he has to share neither, he doesn't have to do it and that is something I can totally understand if he doesn't.

the dicesites link right ? data there is accurate and I have been watching it for several months ( there are some days where it broke and will show zero volume for that period till it gets updated by the dev which is usually within 3 days ) 
it pretty much have everything that investors need to know so not sure what devans can offer more than that

regarding the time frame you can adjust it at the bottom

For what it's worth, dicesites.com receives its data directly from bustabit and is run by NLNico, who is a trusted member of this forum.

The data being incomplete from March 29th is my fault, not dicesite.com's. I'll tackle that tomorrow as well.

It is cool that you can adjust the dates, I didn't see that and that changes some stuff honestly. Assuming, it is all correct there are still some zero like you mentioned, for example I am checking right now and it shows 30th of March as zero wagered which we all know can't be correct and nothing after that as well, doesn't show what happened today or yesterday, comes a bit behind. It also shows a huge influx of wagering since 15th of march as well which would make sense since that is around time when people started to stay at home.

[lixer]

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Thank you for that information. To me your actions seem fair. I am glad you watch out for your players.

Yes, that makes sense to lock funds when something like this happens, I know the feeling of not getting your money right away because we are living in a crypto world where one person could tell you they will pay you, then not pay you and nothing could happen to them so it is obvious that we are building the whole crypto world with pure trust and without trust we can't really exchange anything between each other.

However Devans is a dude you can trust easily, he has been around forever and he has run this website for probably a thousand years or so (give or take few years) and never scammed anyone so if there is something wrong going on and he steps in, just believe him, be patient and then you will realize that it was all for your own good. If you are the bad dude though, sorry but you gotta look for somewhere else to do your business.

[Timetwister]

For what it's worth, dicesites.com receives its data directly from bustabit and is run by NLNico, who is a trusted member of this forum.

The data being incomplete from March 29th is my fault, not dicesite.com's. I'll tackle that tomorrow as well.

It would be great to have updated data in Dicesites.

[flashpan]

Looks like the site is offline at the moment.

Edit: It is back online now.

funny that

wheres my stack  sasha dimi...feelin all spongebob out of water in egg distopiaville..hit me up..want details..
nice eggdom bruv.

[JollyGood]

Many thanks for looking in to this.

I understand the issue with possible multiple or throwaway accounts therefore the amounts wagered was probably the way to go but if the number of users signing up has increased significantly during the pandemic period then those statistics might make interesting reading.

Thank you for the link DarkStar_ I was not aware of it  

There is no information on the number of sign ups in any given period, maybe that is something devans might elaborate on. According to the information available via the link I would have thought more of an impact would have taken place throughout the graphs since the whole coronavirus related lock down with people more time on their hands while at home.

I'll compile some information on the number of new accounts tomorrow. However, the number of accounts doesn't reflect bustabit's popularity well as some players use multiple or throwaway accounts. The wager volume is a much more reliable indicator.

[StackGambler]

I've seen firsthand that bustabit won't mess with your funds. There's a user who routinely scams people in the community, and he regularly plays with stolen money- usually hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some of these thefts have even been in the news. Yet, bustabit has never locked his account once, and at a time he was even allowed to withdraw 1,000+ BTC. This sucks for me personally since he scammed me of a lot, but I have to say with begrudging respect that no matter who you are, criminal or not, your money is safe on bustabit.

[malevolent]

Is there a thread in Scam Accusations or in Investigations about him and his scams? Do people actually lend non-negligible amounts of money to cryptocurrency gamblers?

[perfect999]

For what it's worth, dicesites.com receives its data directly from bustabit and is run by NLNico, who is a trusted member of this forum.

The data being incomplete from March 29th is my fault, not dicesite.com's. I'll tackle that tomorrow as well.

It would be great to have updated data in Dicesites.

Well, I have checked from coinmarketcap the price of bitcoin and bustabit from dicesites and I have found that during 13th of march is the time bitcoin bottomed the most, around 12th and 13th is the time we started to be bad in bitcoin price, and bustabit got a huge increase in gambling in wagered numbers during 15th march, which kind of tells me that with more people staying at home and this whole pandemic thing starting to be scary more people out there looking to get their adrenaline rush or at least get the boredom out from gambling.

So, I wanted to dig a bit deeper and checked other places and I can't talk about the work dicesites is doing because it looks like missing some data but around the 10 day period of 12th to 22th, many other casinos got an increase as well.

[pawanjain]

I've seen firsthand that bustabit won't mess with your funds. There's a user who routinely scams people in the community, and he regularly plays with stolen money- usually hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some of these thefts have even been in the news. Yet, bustabit has never locked his account once, and at a time he was even allowed to withdraw 1,000+ BTC. This sucks for me personally since he scammed me of a lot, but I have to say with begrudging respect that no matter who you are, criminal or not, your money is safe on bustabit.

Using good things for bad purpose is what scammers do. You say that the scammer scammed you a lot.
Does it mean that he has scammed you multiple times or has he scammed you more money in one go.
In any consequence, you should consider telling the people how he scammed you so that the rest of us are aware of the method and are safe from the theft.

[devans]

Code:

    week    | signups
------------+---------
 2019-09-30 |    1587
 2019-10-07 |    1838
 2019-10-14 |    1886
 2019-10-21 |    1980
 2019-10-28 |    1970
 2019-11-04 |    2282
 2019-11-11 |    2219
 2019-11-18 |    2422
 2019-11-25 |    2758
 2019-12-02 |    2900
 2019-12-09 |    2595
 2019-12-16 |    2656
 2019-12-23 |    2935
 2019-12-30 |    2617
 2020-01-06 |    2817
 2020-01-13 |    2668
 2020-01-20 |    3041
 2020-01-27 |    2857
 2020-02-03 |    3242
 2020-02-10 |    3221
 2020-02-17 |    3016
 2020-02-24 |    3218
 2020-03-02 |    2684
 2020-03-09 |    2621
 2020-03-16 |    2946
 2020-03-23 |    3157
 2020-03-30 |    3325
 2020-04-06 |    3477

It looks like there has been an uptick in signups over the past few months. It's hard to say whether that's due to people staying at home or just variance, though.

[Timetwister]

Code:

    week    | signups
------------+---------
 2019-09-30 |    1587
 2019-10-07 |    1838
 2019-10-14 |    1886
 2019-10-21 |    1980
 2019-10-28 |    1970
 2019-11-04 |    2282
 2019-11-11 |    2219
 2019-11-18 |    2422
 2019-11-25 |    2758
 2019-12-02 |    2900
 2019-12-09 |    2595
 2019-12-16 |    2656
 2019-12-23 |    2935
 2019-12-30 |    2617
 2020-01-06 |    2817
 2020-01-13 |    2668
 2020-01-20 |    3041
 2020-01-27 |    2857
 2020-02-03 |    3242
 2020-02-10 |    3221
 2020-02-17 |    3016
 2020-02-24 |    3218
 2020-03-02 |    2684
 2020-03-09 |    2621
 2020-03-16 |    2946
 2020-03-23 |    3157
 2020-03-30 |    3325
 2020-04-06 |    3477

It looks like there has been an uptick in signups over the past few months. It's hard to say whether that's due to people staying at home or just variance, though.

Would it be possible to have Dicesites data updated? https://dicesites.com/bustabit

[asu]

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It looks like there has been an uptick in signups over the past few months. It's hard to say whether that's due to people staying at home or just variance, though.

Would it be possible to have Dicesites data updated? https://dicesites.com/bustabit

I think devans have nothing to do in Dicesites data to be updated, perhaps you can ask it to NLNico or go in this thread.
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.0)

[Timetwister]

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It looks like there has been an uptick in signups over the past few months. It's hard to say whether that's due to people staying at home or just variance, though.

Would it be possible to have Dicesites data updated? https://dicesites.com/bustabit

I think devans have nothing to do in Dicesites data to be updated, perhaps you can ask it to NLNico or go in this thread.
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.0)

I think Devans mentioned that he had to send information to NLNico. I posted there too anyway.

[fullhdpixel]

I would say that has something to do with people staying at home from looking at only those numbers, however if you show us a longer list that goes back a lot more, we can actually speculate if it was people staying at home or if it was something else, right now we are seeing literally under 2k sign up turning into over 3k people every day, that is almost a double, in some days it is literally double, so that can't really be variance, 100% increase can't be just some swings.

Yet if you show us the past 6 months for example, we could see maybe days that went up and down around those levels and we could actually make a discussion according to that, bigger the data the more variance there should be and there should be some huge days and some bad days which we can take a look at to discuss any further.

[joksim299]

I would say that has something to do with people staying at home from looking at only those numbers, however if you show us a longer list that goes back a lot more, we can actually speculate if it was people staying at home or if it was something else, right now we are seeing literally under 2k sign up turning into over 3k people every day, that is almost a double, in some days it is literally double, so that can't really be variance, 100% increase can't be just some swings.

Yet if you show us the past 6 months for example, we could see maybe days that went up and down around those levels and we could actually make a discussion according to that, bigger the data the more variance there should be and there should be some huge days and some bad days which we can take a look at to discuss any further.

It display week stats not days and you can check in the past months since it is posted.

[fullhdpixel]

It display week stats not days and you can check in the past months since it is posted.

Oh I didn't realize it was weekly, I assumed it was daily and I made my remarks according to that, now that I am looking at it, its really weekly and dates are weekly as well, that means a lot of changes. Well honestly looking at the weekly ones right now, I can say there was an increasing number even before the pandemic started, from under 2k to over 3k took before the pandemic (maybe it started in some nations but wasn't all around just yet) and it continued that way, hell even during early march it dropped to 2.6k sign ups which shows pandemic may not really be the reason why the numbers went up.

I would say if we take a look at the next 2-3 months and then we take a look at after 6 months to a year, we will see that number probably will continue to go up even after pandemic "ends".

[JollyGood]

Thank you for this devans.

You are right, going by the figures you so kindly posted it is inconclusive when trying to make a direct correlation between new members signing up as a direct result of them staying home because of the coronavirus lock down and just a unrelated increase.

Code:

    week    | signups
------------+---------
 2019-09-30 |    1587
 2019-10-07 |    1838
 2019-10-14 |    1886
 2019-10-21 |    1980
 2019-10-28 |    1970
 2019-11-04 |    2282
 2019-11-11 |    2219
 2019-11-18 |    2422
 2019-11-25 |    2758
 2019-12-02 |    2900
 2019-12-09 |    2595
 2019-12-16 |    2656
 2019-12-23 |    2935
 2019-12-30 |    2617
 2020-01-06 |    2817
 2020-01-13 |    2668
 2020-01-20 |    3041
 2020-01-27 |    2857
 2020-02-03 |    3242
 2020-02-10 |    3221
 2020-02-17 |    3016
 2020-02-24 |    3218
 2020-03-02 |    2684
 2020-03-09 |    2621
 2020-03-16 |    2946
 2020-03-23 |    3157
 2020-03-30 |    3325
 2020-04-06 |    3477

It looks like there has been an uptick in signups over the past few months. It's hard to say whether that's due to people staying at home or just variance, though.

[wozzek23]

It display week stats not days and you can check in the past months since it is posted.

Oh I didn't realize it was weekly, I assumed it was daily and I made my remarks according to that, now that I am looking at it, its really weekly and dates are weekly as well, that means a lot of changes. Well honestly looking at the weekly ones right now, I can say there was an increasing number even before the pandemic started, from under 2k to over 3k took before the pandemic (maybe it started in some nations but wasn't all around just yet) and it continued that way, hell even during early march it dropped to 2.6k sign ups which shows pandemic may not really be the reason why the numbers went up.

I would say if we take a look at the next 2-3 months and then we take a look at after 6 months to a year, we will see that number probably will continue to go up even after pandemic "ends".

Oh come on, we can't say irrelevant neither can we? I mean sure we can't have a concrete conclusion; we can't just say it is because of corona that there is an increase, but we also can't say that it is not because of it neither.

I know this is a weird data but the only logical way of actually finding out if more people comes because of corona or if this was a natural number of increases on bustabits side is to actually ask people one by one and see if they came in because they are in lockdown or some other reason, since we can't really go around asking 3000+ people every week the reason why they came in, that means we can never really know what the reasoning is. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you are mistaken, I am just saying we will not know the answer to this.