bustabit – The original crash game

[malevolent]

Your situation is very tricky and the easiest solution to prevent fraud is usually when this happens they just send back the funds to the source address. If you made a deposit from an exchange like Coinbase then it gets tricky. Because you can't send it back to that address since it doesn't belong to you and it makes proving ownership more difficult.

If any bustadice user ever provided their deposit address to another person to get paid and have some balance as soon as possible on their account, that would open them to potential social engineering attacks – the attacker could impersonate them by signing a message with a private key associated with a relevant address to "prove" ownership of someone else's bustadice account. They could be asked additional questions but in some cases, if they had done their homework, they would still pass the tests.

Learn from your mistakes next time. Save all your password in a simple text note or word document. Hide it in a non suspicious folder and no one will probably ever try to look into that document

"No one", except for malware.

[xxjumperxx]

Your situation is very tricky and the easiest solution to prevent fraud is usually when this happens they just send back the funds to the source address. If you made a deposit from an exchange like Coinbase then it gets tricky. Because you can't send it back to that address since it doesn't belong to you and it makes proving ownership more difficult.

If any bustadice user ever provided their deposit address to another person to get paid and have some balance as soon as possible on their account, that would open them to potential social engineering attacks – the attacker could impersonate them by signing a message with a private key associated with a relevant address to "prove" ownership of someone else's bustadice account. They could be asked additional questions but in some cases, if they would have done their homework, they would still pass the tests.

Learn from your mistakes next time. Save all your password in a simple text note or word document. Hide it in a non suspicious folder and no one will probably ever try to look into that document

"No one", except for malware.

Wow!

Thanks for that warning!
I never really thought about it that way!

[GamblingSiteFinder]

Can we get a leaderboard for biggest winners and losers from the past day/week/month? And maybe a tab showcasing the largest individual bets from the past day/week/month as well?

The current leaderboard is littered with either inactive or deleted accounts. I take a look at it from time to time and can never tell if there are any new names on the lists.

It'd be great to see some "fresh" leaderboards!

[Tipstar]

Can we get a leaderboard for biggest winners and losers from the past day/week/month? And maybe a tab showcasing the largest individual bets from the past day/week/month as well?

The current leaderboard is littered with either inactive or deleted accounts. I take a look at it from time to time and can never tell if there are any new names on the lists.

It'd be great to see some "fresh" leaderboards!

Yeah a weekly and a monthly leaderboard would be interesting and that would also increase competition between the players which would be beneficial to the site itself. The alltime leaderboard is a good hall of fame but it would be much difficult for normal users to make it to it.
Daniel have said he's working on having a plenty of changes on the site interface, this could be one of them.

[Lakai01]

On a side note: one thing I really wish bustabit had was a sort of temporal leaderboard. Pretty often I see large changes to the bankroll, and it'd be nice to see where the money went (or came from). Something like the leaderboard except with "1 day" and "1 week" and "1 month" and "all time" would be really cool imo.

I think this is a very good suggestion. the current leaderboard serves more as a "hall of fame" and says rather little about which players are currently active on the platform and how they perform.

A weekly/monthly Leaderboard would also have the advantage that players could see it as an incentive to be at the top and play more accordingly. It might even be possible to link the monthly Leaderboards with competitions, even if only when these are introduced.

[juzam1337]

+1 daily/weekly/monthly leaderboard would be amazing

[fullhdpixel]

On a side note: one thing I really wish bustabit had was a sort of temporal leaderboard. Pretty often I see large changes to the bankroll, and it'd be nice to see where the money went (or came from). Something like the leaderboard except with "1 day" and "1 week" and "1 month" and "all time" would be really cool imo.

I think this is a very good suggestion. the current leaderboard serves more as a "hall of fame" and says rather little about which players are currently active on the platform and how they perform.

A weekly/monthly Leaderboard would also have the advantage that players could see it as an incentive to be at the top and play more accordingly. It might even be possible to link the monthly Leaderboards with competitions, even if only when these are introduced.

Definitely a great suggestion, people should be able to see who is winning a lot or who is losing a lot, basically a wagering thing. You could have like daily, weekly and monthly, I suppose that would be enough. That way you can see who is wagering the most in those periods and you might try to guess who makes it. One trouble though is the "hidden names" because some people may not want to be there, and many people would want their names hidden if they are really putting up so much money to it.

Some people joined with the usernames they use other places as well so for example if my bitcointalk name and bustabit name is same (which it is but I am not a whale ) that means if I wager 100 btc per day, you will find out who I am and come either begging or try to hack me, which is why I think leaderboard has a challenge to overcome.

[xxjumperxx]

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Definitely a great suggestion, people should be able to see who is winning a lot or who is losing a lot, basically a wagering thing. You could have like daily, weekly and monthly, I suppose that would be enough. That way you can see who is wagering the most in those periods and you might try to guess who makes it. One trouble though is the "hidden names" because some people may not want to be there, and many people would want their names hidden if they are really putting up so much money to it.

Some people joined with the usernames they use other places as well so for example if my bitcointalk name and bustabit name is same (which it is but I am not a whale ) that means if I wager 100 btc per day, you will find out who I am and come either begging or try to hack me, which is why I think leaderboard has a challenge to overcome.

Yes, as soon as I read about a leaderboard thats the first thing I thought about. Some people might not want to be on a Leaderboard.
But that should be solveable by making yourself hidden in the leaderboard, could be like an option or setting that you can make: "hide in leaderboards".

[Lakai01]

Some people joined with the usernames they use other places as well so for example if my bitcointalk name and bustabit name is same (which it is but I am not a whale ) that means if I wager 100 btc per day, you will find out who I am and come either begging or try to hack me, which is why I think leaderboard has a challenge to overcome.

In my opinion, this is not something that a leaderboard has to worry about. It's the responsibility of the player himself, whether he makes himself vulnerable with unique usernames across multiple platforms.
Nevertheless, leaderboards on other platforms do offer the possibility that usernames are "hidden". This is the case with Windice, for example:



If you as a user do not want to appear in such a Leaderboard you can hide your username and do not run the risk of being harassed.

[vbond]

Again, I lost everything. I'm sad guys. Recently, a very bad game.

[TheGreatPython]

Some people joined with the usernames they use other places as well so for example if my bitcointalk name and bustabit name is same (which it is but I am not a whale ) that means if I wager 100 btc per day, you will find out who I am and come either begging or try to hack me, which is why I think leaderboard has a challenge to overcome.

In my opinion, this is not something that a leaderboard has to worry about. It's the responsibility of the player himself, whether he makes himself vulnerable with unique usernames across multiple platforms.
Nevertheless, leaderboards on other platforms do offer the possibility that usernames are "hidden". This is the case with Windice, for example:



If you as a user do not want to appear in such a Leaderboard you can hide your username and do not run the risk of being harassed.

In that case are we making the names hidden or are we hiding them all together? I mean there are two ways to go with this, one is having a leaderboard option on your account, you click on hide me and it hides you, it shows the top 10 that didn't clicked and shows themselves, that way you are technically not seeing the top 10, but you are seeing the people who are willing to be shown and top 10 of those people.

The second option is to just have "hidden" on the leaderboard, you can click on hide me again like the other one, it actually shows you the real top 10, but some of those names are censored as "hidden name" so you will not know who it is. Those are two very different approaches, I don't know which one I would prefer more, but I think the first one is closer to my heart.

[fullhdpixel]

Some people joined with the usernames they use other places as well so for example if my bitcointalk name and bustabit name is same (which it is but I am not a whale ) that means if I wager 100 btc per day, you will find out who I am and come either begging or try to hack me, which is why I think leaderboard has a challenge to overcome.

In my opinion, this is not something that a leaderboard has to worry about. It's the responsibility of the player himself, whether he makes himself vulnerable with unique usernames across multiple platforms.
Nevertheless, leaderboards on other platforms do offer the possibility that usernames are "hidden". This is the case with Windice, for example:



If you as a user do not want to appear in such a Leaderboard you can hide your username and do not run the risk of being harassed.

In that case are we making the names hidden or are we hiding them all together? I mean there are two ways to go with this, one is having a leaderboard option on your account, you click on hide me and it hides you, it shows the top 10 that didn't clicked and shows themselves, that way you are technically not seeing the top 10, but you are seeing the people who are willing to be shown and top 10 of those people.

The second option is to just have "hidden" on the leaderboard, you can click on hide me again like the other one, it actually shows you the real top 10, but some of those names are censored as "hidden name" so you will not know who it is. Those are two very different approaches, I don't know which one I would prefer more, but I think the first one is closer to my heart.

That is the thing though, if you hide the name, it was a discussion at other places as well and have been a point of argument between a lot of people. If you hide the name, how can we really know its a real player or just the house playing against itself? A house could basically play 100 btc in an hour without worrying and just lose only a few.

Sure this place has investors but not all other places have investors, so when you gamble yourself as a casino, and put in 100 bitcoins, you are going to earn 99 of it back (house edge average) and the other 1 will be still going to you for house edge since you are the house. Here it is a bit different because there are investors but you can still pay the investors if you are careful enough and rest will go back to you. So, there is no "proof" that could be legitimate that hidden players are not house themselves.

[Lakai01]

The second option is to just have "hidden" on the leaderboard, you can click on hide me again like the other one, it actually shows you the real top 10, but some of those names are censored as "hidden name" so you will not know who it is. Those are two very different approaches, I don't know which one I would prefer more, but I think the first one is closer to my heart.

The screenshot of me is from a leaderboard of a wagering contest. There the first option you suggested would not make sense, because the user would not appear on the leaderboard and would not be eligible for a prize. Participation in the contest would not make sense at all if you don't want to show up.
Option 1 would only be possible for weekly/monthly/yearly Leaderboards. But even there, the results will be distorted if entries are missing and you can never be sure if you are the weekly leader or if there are not 10 players in front of you, but they didn't want to appear in the list.

That is the thing though, if you hide the name, it was a discussion at other places as well and have been a point of argument between a lot of people. If you hide the name, how can we really know its a real player or just the house playing against itself? A house could basically play 100 btc in an hour without worrying and just lose only a few.

In my opinion this has nothing to do with whether the name is displayed or not. For example, you don't know if there is actually a person behind the player "bestgambler123", someone just runs a script or the casino plays against itself. So it doesn't matter if it says "bestgambler123" or "hidden", it has the same effect.

[TheGreatPython]

Not that it doesn't make sense to join, but you will be basically deciding if you want to join or not yourself. Nobody forces anyone to join at all, just make it "top 10 people who wagered and didn't want their names hidden" and you would basically have people either declining to put their usernames there and that way you would have people who want to keep hidden will hide themselves and decide to not join. However that is not really ideal for wagering situation, as a casino you would want everyone to gamble hence I think the second option makes more sense as well.

However the first one would be a lot more lucrative for marketing purposes, so you have to decide with a competition do you plan on marketing purposes or increasing wagering purposes? That will make the decision easier.

[Lakai01]

Not that it doesn't make sense to join, but you will be basically deciding if you want to join or not yourself. Nobody forces anyone to join at all, just make it "top 10 people who wagered and didn't want their names hidden" and you would basically have people either declining to put their usernames there and that way you would have people who want to keep hidden will hide themselves and decide to not join. However that is not really ideal for wagering situation, as a casino you would want everyone to gamble hence I think the second option makes more sense as well.

I think it's more about protecting the players. At wagering contests like this there are sometimes very high amounts of money involved, you see players who have wagered 50 BTC and more on 2-3 days:



These numbers can be reached without a bankroll by betting a lot of small bets, that's for sure. However, the chance that a whale is behind the player with such sums (the loss by House Edge at 1% alone would be around 0.5 BTC) is quite high. Especially in casinos that offer chat, PM and forum functions, for example, the chance is quite high that these players are specifically choosen for a scam attacks.

[TheGreatPython]

I am not saying that they should be attacked or scammed or anything, I am saying that if you want to stay hidden you should basically not be considered in the wagering competition at all, because you wanted to be out and you do not want to be part of it, and you do not want your name to be shown, so stay hidden, do not give your name anyone, and do not be considered in a competition as well.

This was of course just one part of it, makes no sense because you are losing out on all players who want to wager and make money and join the competition and that means less money and less profits for the casino, why would any casino do anything like that so I agreed that the idea I suggested wasn't really that great and gave a better idea as well for it.

[Tipstar]

I am not saying that they should be attacked or scammed or anything, I am saying that if you want to stay hidden you should basically not be considered in the wagering competition at all, because you wanted to be out and you do not want to be part of it, and you do not want your name to be shown, so stay hidden, do not give your name anyone, and do not be considered in a competition as well.

This was of course just one part of it, makes no sense because you are losing out on all players who want to wager and make money and join the competition and that means less money and less profits for the casino, why would any casino do anything like that so I agreed that the idea I suggested wasn't really that great and gave a better idea as well for it.

bustabit doesn't ask for you to provide your real name for the userneame. You can put anything you like be it numbers or symbols. And unlike other gambling platform, it doesn't have the limit of users you can create. So, if you feel you've used an obvious username from which others can recognize you, you can always create a new user with a unique name.

[darewaller]

There is really no reason to talk about the competition and how it should be done without devans really putting his own two cents into the situation, I mean dude has been silent about it for a long time now even though we talk about it here, unless he is busy with something personal and all that, he as a professional person saw all the talks here and he realized there is really no reason for jumping in on the discussion and he simply just declined to make a comment. If he wanted to put competitions, he would have said something and we would have probably have like some roadmap about the competition already, since he is silent about it, that is kind of a way of us understanding there won't be a competition, which means how it will be done is unimportant as well.

[bitcoinisgreat]

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[darewaller]

I am not saying that they should be attacked or scammed or anything, I am saying that if you want to stay hidden you should basically not be considered in the wagering competition at all, because you wanted to be out and you do not want to be part of it, and you do not want your name to be shown, so stay hidden, do not give your name anyone, and do not be considered in a competition as well.

This was of course just one part of it, makes no sense because you are losing out on all players who want to wager and make money and join the competition and that means less money and less profits for the casino, why would any casino do anything like that so I agreed that the idea I suggested wasn't really that great and gave a better idea as well for it.

bustabit doesn't ask for you to provide your real name for the userneame. You can put anything you like be it numbers or symbols. And unlike other gambling platform, it doesn't have the limit of users you can create. So, if you feel you've used an obvious username from which others can recognize you, you can always create a new user with a unique name.

There was also talks about being "hidden" could be like "user3432453245" which would be randomly generated, when you are hidden you are given a fake name by the game automatically, but when you are not hidden you could show your real username, would be totally different, let's say someone found your username you could go hidden and now you are not your username, you are some "user352435234" instead. And lets say someone figured that out as well? Just generate another fake username like "user1243124124" and that's it.

So, at the end of the day there is really nothing you could do to stop people from being hidden plus you get to see someone actually winning as well. But, at that point I am not entirely sure how much is having those fake names instead of "hidden" really worths.