bustabit – The original crash game

[fullhdpixel]

^I guess for some people that is actually nothing. There are two types of people who can do that basically, one of them is the rich people we all know, they are rich and they can do this, they do it all around the world in casinos all the time so it is not a new thing, people have been gambling for over 2000 years and obviously rich people always did.

Secondly there are some early bird bitcoin people that have so much bitcoin that they can't cash them out all at the same time, you think there are no people with 50k bitcoin lying around?

Those people can't come out right away and sell them all and withdraw it in fiat, that takes a long time and a big hello from government so they do it slowly as well. Some of them just gets bored time to time and put it on gambling, they got it for few cents, so it doesn't matter to them.

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[xxjumperxx]

^I guess for some people that is actually nothing. There are two types of people who can do that basically, one of them is the rich people we all know, they are rich and they can do this, they do it all around the world in casinos all the time so it is not a new thing, people have been gambling for over 2000 years and obviously rich people always did.

Secondly there are some early bird bitcoin people that have so much bitcoin that they can't cash them out all at the same time, you think there are no people with 50k bitcoin lying around?

Those people can't come out right away and sell them all and withdraw it in fiat, that takes a long time and a big hello from government so they do it slowly as well. Some of them just gets bored time to time and put it on gambling, they got it for few cents, so it doesn't matter to them.

Oh I know that there are some people that have plenty of coins laying around and just gamble them for fun. What wonders me is that people create an account, deposit lose a huge amount (at least to me) and then delete their account and leave? Like to leave no traces that they lost this much and leave...
I mean I would understand that people come in and try to "wash" their coins on the site but leaving and deleting the account doesnt make sense.

I guess it happens in Vegas too, walk in bet 50k on Red, lose and leave.

[JollyGood]

Very strange conduct by a user losing a massive 6.25 BTC after placing just one bet, then deleting the account after that. I wonder what the largest single bet ever placed on Bustabit and Bustadice were.

Whale time on bustabit.
I don't know if you see this every day, but someone just lost 6.25 BTC in a single bet and promptly deleted their account right after.

Here's the bet:
https://www.bustabit.com/game/3462696
And prior to that, the same user had 'missed' many opportunities to cash out 1000 bits @ 100x, 500x or even 900x. Instead they were just showing up on chat to flex saying "that was nothing".
This was their goodbye message:


We'll never know the context of these actions but it's just interesting to see how fast someone can crash and burn with gambling. Always remember to never gamble with what you can't afford to lose.

[xxjumperxx]

Very strange conduct by a user losing a massive 6.25 BTC after placing just one bet, then deleting the account after that. I wonder what the largest single bet ever placed on Bustabit and Bustadice were.

The biggest placed bet was this one
https://www.bustabit.com/bet/289954383

a whopping  99.6 BTC... 

Spoiler, it lost! 

[barbara44]

*Moneypot(.com). It was an interesting project, shame it didn't last, the URLs below for those who are curious:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151127194540/http://moneypot.com/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190115143554/http://moneypot.com/

Yeah, moneypot! That was definitely the one that I was talking about. I even used that place for wallet for a looong time as well, I just invested everything I had in there and withdrawn only when I needed money, that way I thought it could have made a lot of profit.

Obviously it got so much money invested in it that at one point it got hacked or abused or whatever and people lost countless amount of bitcoin, which basically started their demise and it ended pretty quickly, they worked on V2 or whatever to get it going again but as long as there is no interest towards it, there was no way it could have made any profit neither.

It was pretty awesome when Rhavar had it, it became the biggest talking point in all of casino world in crypto and after he sold it, it became not so well over time.

[darewaller]

Very strange conduct by a user losing a massive 6.25 BTC after placing just one bet, then deleting the account after that. I wonder what the largest single bet ever placed on Bustabit and Bustadice were.

There is a difference though. I mean not with this one but certainly with all other ones you can find. 6.25 is a lot more than 100 bitcoins 5 years ago for example, however that 99.6 bitcoin was last year and at a time when bitcoin was very valuable as well, so I wouldn't say that one is lower, it is definitely higher.

Yet I am sure there were times when thousands were wagered here, and we can't just look at that, I personally myself lost couple bitcoins here but not when it mattered thankfully, it would be devastating to lose couple bitcoins right now with how much it worths. So, depending on what you mean by "biggest bet" things can change, do you mean biggest in bitcoin or biggest in fiat? If it is biggest in fiat I am sure that one has a chance but if it is biggest in bitcoin I am sure there were plenty of times higher than 100 btc.

[Mahanton]

Very strange conduct by a user losing a massive 6.25 BTC after placing just one bet, then deleting the account after that. I wonder what the largest single bet ever placed on Bustabit and Bustadice were.

There is a difference though. I mean not with this one but certainly with all other ones you can find. 6.25 is a lot more than 100 bitcoins 5 years ago for example, however that 99.6 bitcoin was last year and at a time when bitcoin was very valuable as well, so I wouldn't say that one is lower, it is definitely higher.

Yet I am sure there were times when thousands were wagered here, and we can't just look at that, I personally myself lost couple bitcoins here but not when it mattered thankfully, it would be devastating to lose couple bitcoins right now with how much it worths. So, depending on what you mean by "biggest bet" things can change, do you mean biggest in bitcoin or biggest in fiat? If it is biggest in fiat I am sure that one has a chance but if it is biggest in bitcoin I am sure there were plenty of times higher than 100 btc.

It will vary on when those bets happened but basing of on Jolly's question the he might talk about largest single bet on BTC since he do mentioned out that 6.25 but on the point you had mentioned which it will really
vary if we do talk about fiat value or solely in bitcoin numbers.Me also do lose a couple of btc's wayback in 2018 but we know that the price is low due to market crash.I didnt bother than much
and now i didnt tend to look back on how much it is as todays price because it would really be just a stressful thing for me to think of.

[alani123]

Yeah, moneypot! That was definitely the one that I was talking about. I even used that place for wallet for a looong time as well, I just invested everything I had in there and withdrawn only when I needed money, that way I thought it could have made a lot of profit.

Obviously it got so much money invested in it that at one point it got hacked or abused or whatever and people lost countless amount of bitcoin, which basically started their demise and it ended pretty quickly, they worked on V2 or whatever to get it going again but as long as there is no interest towards it, there was no way it could have made any profit neither.

It was pretty awesome when Rhavar had it, it became the biggest talking point in all of casino world in crypto and after he sold it, it became not so well over time.

Moneypot was actually the original game of the crash game. Its inventor, Eric, had sold it to Ryan afaik

Original thread is here.
It's an interesting history for a casino.

Here's the auction thread, where moneypot (the original site with the crash game), was sold. Eric quoted saying the biggest bid was 100 BTC, in 2014...
So interesting that this is all out in the open.

[JollyGood]

edit: Large bet...

Looking at all time statistics on the website shows shocking numbers including amounts of BTC wagered and those won/lost. Phenomenal amounts of money has been wagered at Bustabit.

Very strange conduct by a user losing a massive 6.25 BTC after placing just one bet, then deleting the account after that. I wonder what the largest single bet ever placed on Bustabit and Bustadice were.

The biggest placed bet was this one
https://www.bustabit.com/bet/289954383

a whopping  99.6 BTC...  

Spoiler, it lost!  

[Saint-loup]

Very strange conduct by a user losing a massive 6.25 BTC after placing just one bet, then deleting the account after that. I wonder what the largest single bet ever placed on Bustabit and Bustadice were.

The biggest placed bet was this one
https://www.bustabit.com/bet/289954383

a whopping  99.6 BTC...  

Spoiler, it lost!  

WOW that's huge!
But does it mean bustabit won 100BTC or they've been distributed among other players?

[shield132]

As far as I know if someone wants to offer bustabit like game on their casino, they have to acquire license from you guys, am I correct? If yes, then lately I see some local online casinos offer bustabit like game but I hugely doubt they would acquire license from you cause two of them doesn't even use provably fair system and uses RNG (at least they don't let people to see hashes to check).
Is there any place to check whether certain websites/casinos have acquired license from bustabit or not? In case would love to provide urls of these casinos to check, I am very interested in it.

[xxjumperxx]

WOW that's huge!
But does it mean bustabit won 100BTC or they've been distributed among other players?

Some of it got taken by the house and the rest was distributed to Bankroll Investors.

As far as I know if someone wants to offer bustabit like game on their casino, they have to acquire license from you guys, am I correct? If yes, then lately I see some local online casinos offer bustabit like game but I hugely doubt they would acquire license from you cause two of them doesn't even use provably fair system and uses RNG (at least they don't let people to see hashes to check).
Is there any place to check whether certain websites/casinos have acquired license from bustabit or not? In case would love to provide urls of these casinos to check, I am very interested in it.

For licenses check the following txt hosted on bustabit.
https://www.bustabit.com/license.txt

There are also some fraudalent ones posted there, I think Daniel would be interested in the sites if they are indeed fraudalent.

[RHavar]

WOW that's huge!
But does it mean bustabit won 100BTC or they've been distributed among other players?

It goes into the bankroll. The bankroll is owned by people who have "invested" in it (everyone has a stake, which represents what % of the bankroll they own). Bustabit itself charges 50% of all the bankroll-profits when ever it exceeds the historical "all time high" profit.


So a worked example:

 Say the bankroll is 1000 BTC. Then someone bets and wins 10 BTC.  They win from the bankroll, so the bankroll is 990 BTC. All investors stake remains the same. Now someone bets and loses 100 BTC. The bankroll would normally go: 990 + 100  = 1090 BTC. Except bustabit (aka Daniel) will want his cut. So he'd take 50% of the amount it's exceeded the historical highest profit. So in this case it'd be 50% of 90 BTC  = 45 BTC. So the bankroll will actually increase by 100 - 45 = 55 BTC, i.e. the new bankroll will be 990 + 45 = 1035 BTC.


So in summary:

When you invest or divest you get a % ownership of the bankroll (which adjusts other peoples % ownership). When players win, they win from the bankroll. When players lose, they lose to the bankroll (and bustabit's commission).

As far as I know if someone wants to offer bustabit like game on their casino, they have to acquire license from you guys, am I correct?

People only need a license if they use bustabit's actual code. Bustabit made the old version opensource under a restrictive license that requires you to keep any changes you make also open source, and had an option to buy a license that allowed you to make changes without needing to make them also opensource. Many people however just use code and don't abide by the license, or use the actual bustabit code but try pretend they're not.

It was maybe a mistake, but bustabit never tried to control the game-concept (i.e. there's no patents or anything like that), just a copyright on the actual code that bustabit uses. Think something like lord-of-the-rings. If you want to write a book about elves and orcs and shit you don't need permission/license from Tolkien's estate. But if you want to actually use his words, you do.

[TheGreatPython]

Moneypot was actually the original game of the crash game. Its inventor, Eric, had sold it to Ryan afaik

Original thread is here.
It's an interesting history for a casino.

Here's the auction thread, where moneypot (the original site with the crash game), was sold. Eric quoted saying the biggest bid was 100 BTC, in 2014...
So interesting that this is all out in the open.

That was also a great period when bitcoin was getting bigger and bigger. The period between 2014 fall to 2017 peak was the moment when bitcoin just got bigger and bigger and it turned from "the thing drug dealers and child "movies" uses for payment" to something like "wall street is taking a look at it and thinking about investing" and that 3-4 year period is when everything changed for bitcoin.

Moneypot was a big part of our culture, both as a crash game at first but then as bankroll of houses was something so rare that nobody else has ever done it after them, there is none right now in the market and its been a long long time since it was created so try to understand how difficult it was to make something like that and make it run for a while because if it was easy or too profitable everyone would have tried it already.

[shield132]

xxjumperxx
Thanks for the link, I was just looking into list and seems I can't find the casinos that I talk about.

RHavar
Thank you for your answer, seems yeah, that was a mistake and I think that mistake now costs a lot of dollars for them. Btw it's not possible to ask company about the code that they use, nor you can check it in public, so you can't prove that they used your code, right? And without doubt, they'll act like they wrote this code alone and other bla bla shits.

As I see, the companies that bought license from bustabit are those who are active on bitcointalk and care about responses from bitcointalk users and about their reputation on this forum. Otherwise, no one cares about that.

[xxjumperxx]

As I see, the companies that bought license from bustabit are those who are active on bitcointalk and care about responses from bitcointalk users and about their reputation on this forum. Otherwise, no one cares about that.

Im pretty sure there are people that dont do it like that.
I am always on Bitcointalk and check for a site for I even deposit any amount of crypto into it.
There are so many people on here that give reviews on sites, so its always good to check here before playing.
There are alot of shady crypto businesses around!

[Lakai01]

As I see, the companies that bought license from bustabit are those who are active on bitcointalk and care about responses from bitcointalk users and about their reputation on this forum. Otherwise, no one cares about that.

That only companies that have licensed bustabit pay attention to their reputation here in the forum is of course not true, but I'm sure you didn't mean it that way

Our forum has quite some weight in the cryptogambling area.  If you google for platforms you will quickly find posts and threads here.  So accusations or a bad image will lead directly to the fact that potential customers will jump off immediately.  So it is definitely worthwhile to be active for a platform here and to keep a positive image.

[JollyGood]

That example about using Tolkien words is an apt analogy.

With the older or original code some users abused the licence terms but with the new code not being made publicly available it seems nobody will be allowed to use it with the exception it seems being ethercrash.io as it seems to be running the same code as v2. Maybe the owners purchased the code making a special deal or arrangement with devans.

RHavar, you were original author of the Bustabit v1 code right? Did you ever consider trying to apply for a patent or any form of intellectual property?

As far as I know if someone wants to offer bustabit like game on their casino, they have to acquire license from you guys, am I correct?

People only need a license if they use bustabit's actual code. Bustabit made the old version opensource under a restrictive license that requires you to keep any changes you make also open source, and had an option to buy a license that allowed you to make changes without needing to make them also opensource. Many people however just use code and don't abide by the license, or use the actual bustabit code but try pretend they're not.

It was maybe a mistake, but bustabit never tried to control the game-concept (i.e. there's no patents or anything like that), just a copyright on the actual code that bustabit uses. Think something like lord-of-the-rings. If you want to write a book about elves and orcs and shit you don't need permission/license from Tolkien's estate. But if you want to actually use his words, you do.

[devans]

ethercrash is based on bustabit's v1 software as well. I haven't made the v2 code available for licensing and likely never will.

[JollyGood]

My apology devans, I was under the impression there was only one v2 licence that you sold.

ethercrash is based on bustabit's v1 software as well. I haven't made the v2 code available for licensing and likely never will.