The problem with atheism.

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

[termhn]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

Lol!

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

Lol!

I'd love to know why you find that funny.

[Rassah]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

I assume you believe that the software and operating system are also separate from the CPU and memory they are running on?

[muyuu]

There is no atheist agenda.

Atheism simply means "without god". There is nothing to "do".

All your activities, in the long run, are probably pointless.

That's not true - Richard Dawkins does not apply his understanding of evolution when talking about religion to the rest of human behaviour.
He limits it to belief in God.
Why doesn't he talk about people working in factories or in fields, or going to football matches?
He clearly has an agenda.

Dawkins is not "atheism", he's an atheist.

There is no atheism agenda, although some atheists may have their own agendas.

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

I assume you believe that the software and operating system are also separate from the CPU and memory they are running on?

Well, when you go to the store, can you buy software and operating systems independent of CPUs and memory?  Sure, they're different.

[Rassah]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

I assume you believe that the software and operating system are also separate from the CPU and memory they are running on?

Well, when you go to the store, can you buy software and operating systems independent of CPUs and memory?  Sure, they're different.

Oh, so is that how you see our "cosciousness," just software running on a computer, and the computer being (eventually, far in the future) swappable?

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

I assume you believe that the software and operating system are also separate from the CPU and memory they are running on?

Well, when you go to the store, can you buy software and operating systems independent of CPUs and memory?  Sure, they're different.

Oh, so is that how you see our "cosciousness," just software running on a computer, and the computer being (eventually, far in the future) swappable?

Basically, yes.  I think the body is one of potentially many suitable vessels for consciousness.  I really have no idea how this would work in practice, but I've had experiences of my consciousness transcending my body, albeit briefly. 

Although, I wouldn't call consciousness just some ordinary brand of software.  I don't necessarily believe, for example, that there is something analogous to a software creator that created consciousness outside of consciousness itself.

[Rassah]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

I assume you believe that the software and operating system are also separate from the CPU and memory they are running on?

Well, when you go to the store, can you buy software and operating systems independent of CPUs and memory?  Sure, they're different.

Oh, so is that how you see our "cosciousness," just software running on a computer, and the computer being (eventually, far in the future) swappable?

Basically, yes.  I think the body is one of potentially many suitable vessels for consciousness.  I really have no idea how this would work in practice, but I've had experiences of my consciousness transcending my body, albeit briefly. 

Does it matter that our cosciousness is not like software on an interchangeable CPU, but is a function of a series of physical networks in the brain, and the only way to make a copy of someone's consciousness is to make an exact physical duplicate of mesh of neurons in the brain? I.e. our minda are mor a product of physical interractions of electrons and chemicals along unique physical paths, like gears and cogs in clockwork, rather than information stored in digital form that is free to exist on any system that allows information to be written. So, sorry, I guess a better analogy/question would have been, does a wind-up clock's time keeping exist outside of it's mechanism?
But, I guess eventually, thanks to the turing principle, if computers get fast enough, such a physical/mechanical system can be simulated in a digital form...

[Biomech]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

given the often unpredictable behaviours of computers, I would have to say yes! 

[termhn]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

given the often unpredictable behaviours of computers, I would have to say yes! 

No, computers are perfectly predictable. If they weren't, they'd be of no use.

[termhn]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

Computers are networks of paths that electrons can take, not some higher consciousness. Learn what you're talking about before you make theories about it. Besides, we KNOW EXACTLY how computers work, we made them. There's no mystery about it like there is with the brain.

[dank]

Still, I don't want to harm my thoughts either, which is what a psychedelic does.

Agreed. I value my mind, and my ability to think clearly, so much that I refuse to take any such drugs, or even to get drunk on alcohol. I only have a few decades to use my brain cells (unless we hit singularity). I don't want to burn them out too quickly.

We're a hittin singularity at my concert bro.

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

Computers are networks of paths that electrons can take, not some higher consciousness. Learn what you're talking about before you make theories about it. Besides, we KNOW EXACTLY how computers work, we made them. There's no mystery about it like there is with the brain.

No shit we make them, hence they are an expression of consciousness.

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

I assume you believe that the software and operating system are also separate from the CPU and memory they are running on?

Well, when you go to the store, can you buy software and operating systems independent of CPUs and memory?  Sure, they're different.

Oh, so is that how you see our "cosciousness," just software running on a computer, and the computer being (eventually, far in the future) swappable?

Basically, yes.  I think the body is one of potentially many suitable vessels for consciousness.  I really have no idea how this would work in practice, but I've had experiences of my consciousness transcending my body, albeit briefly. 

Does it matter that our cosciousness is not like software on an interchangeable CPU, but is a function of a series of physical networks in the brain, and the only way to make a copy of someone's consciousness is to make an exact physical duplicate of mesh of neurons in the brain? I.e. our minda are mor a product of physical interractions of electrons and chemicals along unique physical paths, like gears and cogs in clockwork, rather than information stored in digital form that is free to exist on any system that allows information to be written. So, sorry, I guess a better analogy/question would have been, does a wind-up clock's time keeping exist outside of it's mechanism?
But, I guess eventually, thanks to the turing principle, if computers get fast enough, such a physical/mechanical system can be simulated in a digital form...

I need to think about this one a little more.  Thanks!

[termhn]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

Computers are networks of paths that electrons can take, not some higher consciousness. Learn what you're talking about before you make theories about it. Besides, we KNOW EXACTLY how computers work, we made them. There's no mystery about it like there is with the brain.

No shit we make them, hence they are an expression of consciousness.

Only in the sense that consciousness allowed us to design them.

[the joint]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

Computer operating systems, CPUs,and software are expressions of consciousness.  In fact, all technology is an expression of consciousness.

Computers are networks of paths that electrons can take, not some higher consciousness. Learn what you're talking about before you make theories about it. Besides, we KNOW EXACTLY how computers work, we made them. There's no mystery about it like there is with the brain.

No shit we make them, hence they are an expression of consciousness.

Only in the sense that consciousness allowed us to design them.

Yep, something like that.

[Biomech]

Where does the operating system and software come from, if not from the CPU? Is computer software just an illusion being experienced by a computer?

given the often unpredictable behaviours of computers, I would have to say yes! 

No, computers are perfectly predictable. If they weren't, they'd be of no use.

Just a joke, man.

[dank]

Personally, I consider the neuroscientist who actually studies, thinks and experiments on the brain to have more credibility than the stoner telling me all about god is the universe and truth and love.

Just keep in mind what kind of a guy Jesus was.

And keep in mind which completes the picture.

[Rassah]

Still, I don't want to harm my thoughts either, which is what a psychedelic does.

Agreed. I value my mind, and my ability to think clearly, so much that I refuse to take any such drugs, or even to get drunk on alcohol. I only have a few decades to use my brain cells (unless we hit singularity). I don't want to burn them out too quickly.

We're a hittin singularity at my concert bro.

I think uploading your brain to a machine would cause too many "BAD SECTOR" errors  

Personally, I consider the neuroscientist who actually studies, thinks and experiments on the brain to have more credibility than the stoner telling me all about god is the universe and truth and love.

Just keep in mind what kind of a guy Jesus was.

A fake one?