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June 22, 2014, 12:24:51 AM
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If you check out Stunnas recent post you will see has asked us all to suggest an opinion on the best way to change the system.  You should read that post and add to the discussion so Stunna knows your opinion.  Too much spam, multiple accounts abusers are the issues up for discussion and how to fix the problem is what matters at this point.

"Quote from: Stunna on June 20, 2014, 08:25:40 PM
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I firmly believe it is impossible to make more than 100 really solid posts in a week. 9/10 people who are breaking that limit are just posting worthless contributions as rapidly as they possibly can.

Preferably I'd like to just pay people a fair price based on their rank which would cut down on forum spam tremendously this could upset a lot of participants though. If anyone has some suggestions on how pricing should work for that scheme I'm all ears."

Please stop spreading FUD. Stunna only asked for opinions, and he never said what you quoted.
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Drastic changes here as well. Seems to me like the era of people having a decent income just for posting in a forum is over. Time to move to something else maybe. Posting is more like a hobby to me, the fact that I can earn some pennies by doing what I like sounded good. But good things don't last forever. Tongue I don't think sig campaigns are going to die soon though, the frequent posters will certainly do though. hehe

Actually it is good, now it will stop spamming in whole forum.

I firmly believe it is impossible to make more than 100 really solid posts in a week. 9/10 people who are breaking that limit are just posting worthless contributions as rapidly as they possibly can.

Preferably I'd like to just pay people a fair price based on their rank which would cut down on forum spam tremendously this could upset a lot of participants though. If anyone has some suggestions on how pricing should work for that scheme I'm all ears.

Oh. Lol, fail on my part. Quite disappointing, I think it's perfectly possible to make more than 100 solid posts in a week.

Yeah, I think so too, I have made 120 posts since 17th now.
And I wouldn't say they are spam posts.

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June 22, 2014, 12:28:10 AM
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If you check out Stunnas recent post you will see has asked us all to suggest an opinion on the best way to change the system.  You should read that post and add to the discussion so Stunna knows your opinion.  Too much spam, multiple accounts abusers are the issues up for discussion and how to fix the problem is what matters at this point.

"Quote from: Stunna on June 20, 2014, 08:25:40 PM
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I firmly believe it is impossible to make more than 100 really solid posts in a week. 9/10 people who are breaking that limit are just posting worthless contributions as rapidly as they possibly can.

Preferably I'd like to just pay people a fair price based on their rank which would cut down on forum spam tremendously this could upset a lot of participants though. If anyone has some suggestions on how pricing should work for that scheme I'm all ears."

Please stop spreading FUD. Stunna only asked for opinions, and he never said what you quoted.
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Drastic changes here as well. Seems to me like the era of people having a decent income just for posting in a forum is over. Time to move to something else maybe. Posting is more like a hobby to me, the fact that I can earn some pennies by doing what I like sounded good. But good things don't last forever. Tongue I don't think sig campaigns are going to die soon though, the frequent posters will certainly do though. hehe

Actually it is good, now it will stop spamming in whole forum.

I firmly believe it is impossible to make more than 100 really solid posts in a week. 9/10 people who are breaking that limit are just posting worthless contributions as rapidly as they possibly can.

Preferably I'd like to just pay people a fair price based on their rank which would cut down on forum spam tremendously this could upset a lot of participants though. If anyone has some suggestions on how pricing should work for that scheme I'm all ears.

Oh. Lol, fail on my part. Quite disappointing, I think it's perfectly possible to make more than 100 solid posts in a week.
10 minutes to make a solid post means 1000 minute to make 100 solid posts. that  is 16.5 hours in a week 2.4 hours a day.
Many people have the time to do 5 hours a day on this site .  which would mean they could do 200 good posts in a week.

If you bother to read most every thing posted in the last hour.  I am sure many of us good give a good answer to 20 posts every day.  I still fell it is stunna's money and */-he get sot doe  the rules

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June 22, 2014, 12:35:34 AM
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I knew this was going to happen,  thank god I left this campaign. though it was good while it lasted..  I havent had no issues with the new  campaigns yet.  Alot of people will  Leave PD  to fight to get on other sigs. 

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June 22, 2014, 01:09:10 AM
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zolace so you have been paid by the ASIC people or whoever it is that sig your displaying now ?

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June 22, 2014, 01:13:07 AM
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oh lol that program allows 40 or so users... stunna can get 40 users by just sneezing.

anyways guys... i might have to resort to actually buying my own bitcoins now... suggest some of you do the same!! no biggie... however if you can't affor them which is 100% fine, dont buy any!!!!

some of you sound like you have signed a legally binding contract by joining and now its been changed and and now upset because you can't pay rent or whatever..

OP always said rates / whatever may change.


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June 22, 2014, 01:20:03 AM
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Can always double the rate per post and cap the total post per week/month.
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June 22, 2014, 01:41:58 AM
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Seems like Stunna have decided already, if you see the OP he have stated that only 100 posts per week will be counted, good bye spammers Smiley

it seems a bit too low imho, what if someone has the time to post constructive posts all day? not really fair but whatever...

As a hero member, one could do a full-time job with this. Not anymore...

This isn't supposed to be your job, the purpose of a signature campaign is you add a signature and pretend it doesn't exist and continue posting as you would normally. When the rewards are this high people are posting purely for the benefits though which is spamming up the forum. I am considering changing the way payments work and paying per rank instead of per post.

Great idea, I've seen some people post the suggested payment amounts if you were to pay per rank, and I believe it would be better that way...  weekly payments would also be preferred Smiley

Thanks Stunna!
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Seems like Stunna have decided already, if you see the OP he have stated that only 100 posts per week will be counted, good bye spammers Smiley

it seems a bit too low imho, what if someone has the time to post constructive posts all day? not really fair but whatever...

As a hero member, one could do a full-time job with this. Not anymore...

This isn't supposed to be your job, the purpose of a signature campaign is you add a signature and pretend it doesn't exist and continue posting as you would normally. When the rewards are this high people are posting purely for the benefits though which is spamming up the forum. I am considering changing the way payments work and paying per rank instead of per post.

Great idea, I've seen some people post the suggested payment amounts if you were to pay per rank, and I believe it would be better that way...  weekly payments would also be preferred Smiley

Thanks Stunna!

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.
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June 22, 2014, 01:57:21 AM
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you know, with the new requirements.. i don't think it's really that bad. you can make .4 btc as a senior member and all you need to do is post 400 times per month. unfortunately, though, i'm still 2 months away from reaching that point.
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June 22, 2014, 02:58:16 AM
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Oh. Lol, fail on my part. Quite disappointing, I think it's perfectly possible to make more than 100 solid posts in a week.

Too much imaho  Wink

Well, everything is possibile but i guess 50 in a week is more reasonable...
Or maybe i'm too lazy ? Cheesy

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June 22, 2014, 06:40:27 AM
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Oh why don't you look at that dubfx
I'm now senior (:
Cool, you are. You could explain it more clearly sooner without beign rude and we could save this whole conversation.
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June 22, 2014, 06:51:30 AM
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Stunnas opinion is there:

This isn't supposed to be your job, the purpose of a signature campaign is you add a signature and pretend it doesn't exist and continue posting as you would normally. When the rewards are this high people are posting purely for the benefits though which is spamming up the forum. I am considering changing the way payments work and paying per rank instead of per post.

Am I making free postes now?  Cry
For next 2 days? Because I started at 17th with 300 posts.

You should be posting on the forum because you like posting on the forum. Revenue from this campaign should just be a (very) nice bonus.

what about someone was posting 1k posts per month even before joining this campaign?
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June 22, 2014, 06:53:41 AM
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Seems like Stunna have decided already, if you see the OP he have stated that only 100 posts per week will be counted, good bye spammers Smiley

it seems a bit too low imho, what if someone has the time to post constructive posts all day? not really fair but whatever...

As a hero member, one could do a full-time job with this. Not anymore...

This isn't supposed to be your job, the purpose of a signature campaign is you add a signature and pretend it doesn't exist and continue posting as you would normally. When the rewards are this high people are posting purely for the benefits though which is spamming up the forum. I am considering changing the way payments work and paying per rank instead of per post.

Paying members for their signature absolutely will cause people to post in a way that they would not post if they were not being paid per post. As per the terms of most signature campaigns users are not allowed to "+1", "bump" or post off topic replies to threads, and as a result you see very little of that throughout the forum.

Instead of having the above "spam" users are instead having meaningful conversations regarding the topic of the various thread in this forum. With a high posting limit, users have in incentive to revisit threads and continue conversations within the thread, instead of posting in a thread and leaving. When PD users continue conversations, the users they are having conversations with will return to the thread (viewing the signature multiple times) and continue the conversation on their end. Even if two people are having a conversation, many more will receive notification of new posts to a thread, and will view the thread multiple times (along with the signatures of users). In other words, having a higher post limit will, in effect cause more view of PD signatures on a per post basis.

Having people post on these forums as "their job" will cause them to create higher quality posts. I am a firm believer that people generally take pride in their work. If a person does not know a lot about Bitcoin now, then they will likely ask questions on threads, receive answers and later be able to post better replies to threads. If a person who posts on these forums as "their job" does not learn how to make "good" posts then any time he or she will revisit a post, they will eventually see criticism about them by others, and will almost certainly see it repeatedly. Since pretty much no one likes to be criticized, they will make corrections to their actions.

From what I can see from this thread, it looks like the max earnings per month used to be 2.4 BTC per month. That works out to 6,000 posts for a member account and 2,000 posts for a Hero Member account. I would say that 2,000 posts in one month would be on the high side for a user, but would be possible for someone without other major commitments. 6,000 posts in one month would probably result in a good amount of somewhat "useless" posts. This is somewhat compensated by the fact that the rates are somewhat lower then the competition.

UpDown.BT pays ~33% more then PD for Hero Members (it appears they have gone AWOL but they did pay users at one point), and XBTec pays the same (they are full but they do pay). On the lower end of the scale, UpDown.BT pays ~87% more for Members and XBTec pays ~75% more for members. The smallest difference that PD has over the competition is for Senior Members as XBTec "only" pays ~30% more per post. Both UpDown.BT and XBTec have a 100 of ~125 and 100 posts per week. Having a higher posting limit would compensate for the lower rates as users who post more would want to join this campaign (see above for benefits of users who post a lot).

The new system cuts maximum payouts by ~93% for Members and by 80% by Hero Members with full members and Senior members being somewhere in between those two values. I do not have access to the breakdown of who is what rank and who made how many posts. If you were to assume that everyone in the campaign was a Member then ~31% would be receiving a pay cut as a result of the new system. If you were to assume that everyone is a Hero Member then ~7.5% would be receiving a pay cut. The likely actual number of users receiving a pay cut is probably closer to 31% then it is 7.5% as there are more members then Hero Members. These users represent your heaviest posters, they also represent the users that generate the most traffic to PD (and thus the most revenue). Cutting these member's pay would cause them to either leave the campaign, or post less (and thus generating less revenue to PD via less traffic).

I would say that the best way to optimize your advertising bitcoin some combination you should do some combination of raising rates and lowering the maximum amount of posts each member can be paid for on the lower end of member rankings. My suggested rates would be .00144 for Hero members, .0015 for Senior members, .00072 for Full Members and .00046 for Members with all rates being per post. This would represent a 20% increase for Hero and Full Members, a 5% increase for Senior members, and a 15% increase for Members. This would bring advertising rates closer to being in line with the competition. If you were to reduce the maximum number of posts a member could get paid to make to 1,500 per month then users would be encouraged to post enough to get the maximum benefit per post (see benefits of a lot of posts above) while not making it so high that users would be encouraged to game the system. It should be noted that competition for bitcoin gambling sites is fierce and a user does not need to look far to find a gambling site. It should also be noted that gambling sites also make their profit on volume

If you are going to limit how much a user is going to post on a weekly basis then you must pay on a weekly basis. Your rules imply that you will pay a maximum of 400 posts per month if a user were to post 100 posts per week. Over the course of a year, if a user posted 100 posts per week they would make 5,200 posts, however would only be paid for 4,800 posts over that year, this would represent a loss of ~8.3% of a user's revenue. If you wish to limit the number of posts you will pay on a monthly basis then you can pay monthly, if you wish to limit how many posts a user can post per week then you must pay weekly. If you do otherwise then you are essentially "nickel and dimming" the very people who are promoting your site and who can have the biggest impact on your site's reputation.

I firmly believe it is impossible to make more than 100 really solid posts in a week. 9/10 people who are breaking that limit are just posting worthless contributions as rapidly as they possibly can.

Preferably I'd like to just pay people a fair price based on their rank which would cut down on forum spam tremendously this could upset a lot of participants though. If anyone has some suggestions on how pricing should work for that scheme I'm all ears.

You are not paying members for really solid posts, you are paying members for constructive and there is a huge difference between the two. I would say that a really solid post is one that would receive several "+1" and similar responses and would receive a significantly higher number of views when compared to other posts on this forum. A constructive post on the other hand is something that is adding to the conversation. If you wish to only pay for really solid posts then your rates should be raised by at least 500%. I would argue this is not an efficient way to spend your advertising bitcoin.


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June 22, 2014, 07:21:18 AM
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Seems like Stunna have decided already, if you see the OP he have stated that only 100 posts per week will be counted, good bye spammers Smiley

it seems a bit too low imho, what if someone has the time to post constructive posts all day? not really fair but whatever...

As a hero member, one could do a full-time job with this. Not anymore...

This isn't supposed to be your job, the purpose of a signature campaign is you add a signature and pretend it doesn't exist and continue posting as you would normally. When the rewards are this high people are posting purely for the benefits though which is spamming up the forum. I am considering changing the way payments work and paying per rank instead of per post.

Great idea, I've seen some people post the suggested payment amounts if you were to pay per rank, and I believe it would be better that way...  weekly payments would also be preferred Smiley

Thanks Stunna!

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

Rank is a terrible way of generalizing payments. Because a member doesn't have as many activity points (which generates rank) means they aren't worth as much? Many Sr. / Hero members are only such because they signed up before it was changed to gain 14 activity every 2 weeks. I probably have more posts than some Sr. Members, and I can safely say that the posts I count for this program are more constructive than a lot of the crap I see other people posting. The only reason they should be paid more for, is because of the larger signature field.


I think Stunna is in a hole here, where if he cancels the campaign his image will be tarnished (even though people should be grateful they are getting paid to do something they should have already been doing if they are on this forum, but at the same time I think this campaign has pretty much peaked.

I think cutting out users who's post really don't contribute that much, and are in populated sectors (IE if everyone is posting in the Bitcoin Discussion thread) have less users there. This would be very time consuming but would make for a much more effective campaign, and likely save Stunna quite a few BTC
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June 22, 2014, 07:41:27 AM
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hi stuna I've joined and signed up
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June 22, 2014, 07:55:56 AM
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Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

Rank is a terrible way of generalizing payments. Because a member doesn't have as many activity points (which generates rank) means they aren't worth as much? Many Sr. / Hero members are only such because they signed up before it was changed to gain 14 activity every 2 weeks. I probably have more posts than some Sr. Members, and I can safely say that the posts I count for this program are more constructive than a lot of the crap I see other people posting. The only reason they should be paid more for, is because of the larger signature field.

What about something like the GAW and Luckybit program, which is kind of a mix of the two payment schemes (pay per activity point & pay per post)?

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June 22, 2014, 07:59:33 AM
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If stunna changes this program to that then he will simply lose many advertisers and wont get exposure I hardly see any gaw miner advertising nor dont pay attention to them.  I dont like to get paid per activity and many dont like giving free advertising.  I like where I am at now.

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June 22, 2014, 08:00:29 AM
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if I could join the signature campaign? What still no vacancies?


You can join now.
Go there and "enroll" http://bit.do/Primedice

whether the signs if I've received here? and start working?
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June 22, 2014, 08:01:42 AM
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If stunna changes this program to that then he will simply lose many advertisers and wont get exposure I hardly see any gaw miner advertising nor dont pay attention to them.  I dont like to get paid per activity and many dont like giving free advertising.  I like where I am at now.
I don't think Stunna going to lost too many some can leave this but mostly still like to work here on any conditions by Stunna

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i still dont think im on the list for this term, can we get an updated list please and can u put me on list stunna please

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