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March 04, 2018, 10:19:05 PM
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I'd say it's worse than that - You should not be kicked & banned from a telegram channel for just

LOL. I saw you calling an admin a retard just now. Also bombarded with questions they were trying to answer and gave you a full faq page.
Guess they are getting used to it already. 2.2k+ members.
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March 04, 2018, 10:27:08 PM
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I'd say it's worse than that - You should not be kicked & banned from a telegram channel for just

LOL. I saw you calling an admin a retard just now. Also bombarded with questions they were trying to answer and gave you a full faq page.
Guess they are getting used to it already. 2.2k+ members.

I asked a simple question, he gave me a retarded answer that did not make sense, so I simply asked him if he was retarded?  "Can't release source until fork because of dependencies" is really an answer from a Admin? And the wallet is already released? .... The number of silly money grubbing fools kills me sometimes....  Don't bother doing any research, it's all about the "profitz" ofc... Roll Eyes

FYI - I am @owlcatz on Telegram, and I have NEVER traded there, and never will, so beware any imposters please. Roll Eyes
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March 04, 2018, 10:41:39 PM
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You clearly don't seem like the patient type. He replied you with more answers but you already 'burst' with cursing. By the way, naming ppl 'retards' ain't cool.
Besides, there is no wallet available so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Here's the answer he pointed out to you -

"The Monero and MoneroV private keys, and by extension the XMR & XMV coins of holders, are completely safe as long as the official MoneroV wallet is being used to claim the MoneroV coins. The wallet’s source code and all other dependencies will be published and open sourced before it is released in its downloadable form."
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March 05, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
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What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

For me, the key part of the linked article is: "...but MoneroV operators might obtain a significant amount of knowledge about the contents of the Monero blockchain through users giving MoneroV their private keys."

So, what I guess the author of the post is saying is that we have a MORAL responsibility to NOT help (those factions of the US - as implied above by owlcatz.  Where do you find anything about the US?) who are trying to break the anonymity of Monero and that outweighs the making of some (potential) free money.

And, by logical extension, that outweighs whatever IMMORAL activities may have been paid for with Monero.

Kind of reminds me of the old comedic line, "I got mine, now you get yours."

No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

Implying that one must oppose on moral grounds is antithetical.

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March 05, 2018, 11:18:45 AM
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What do you all think of this?

This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf
Scary! After reading this makes me doubtful the security of this fork.  Undecided
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March 05, 2018, 11:44:43 AM
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No, sorry, but in my mind, if a valid method exists that exposes vulnerabilities in a system, in this case, Monero via a fork - using standard fork methodologies, then it MUST be followed for the development of the future.  If that means that all are exposed in the past, too bad.  Those who put their TRUST in such a system are fools because they didn't see this coming.  It is more important to accept that this may be a problem for de-anonymizing Monero and plan for the future accordingly.

Implying that one must oppose on moral grounds is antithetical.


One of the best comments I've read in a long time.
Dumbing it down for people, it's just FUD from the community trying to avoid competition.
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March 05, 2018, 11:54:11 AM
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what algo will this use?
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March 05, 2018, 01:58:53 PM
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https://btcmanager.com/monerov-trap-laid-monero-users/

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March 05, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?
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March 05, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

well apart from the new accounts, you cannot deny that the xmr side has some pretty strong arguments about this and the other side responds by calling them fudders instead of actually at least try to answer...

i dunno, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know how it goes...

Bill Hicks was right about....everything
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March 05, 2018, 02:50:12 PM
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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

well apart from the new accounts, you cannot deny that the xmr side has some pretty strong arguments about this and the other side responds by calling them fudders instead of actually at least try to answer...

i dunno, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know how it goes...

You must have looked right over my post.

Crypto forks are a fact of life.  If Monero cannot survive a fork without endangering the exposure of its users, then it needs to be redesigned.  That is not calling anybody a "fudder."

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March 05, 2018, 03:05:34 PM
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I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

well apart from the new accounts, you cannot deny that the xmr side has some pretty strong arguments about this and the other side responds by calling them fudders instead of actually at least try to answer...

i dunno, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you know how it goes...

Did you see previous messages from monerov's developers? Have you seen their updates and news page?
What arguments made by the Monero team are serious? screaming wolf is what's happening up until now.

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March 05, 2018, 05:36:27 PM
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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.
At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.
Post count means nothing (imho). A criticism is still a criticism, comment still a comment.
oh, btw.. i've been at this here game since the get go. so Boo!. Wink 

"Actually Move the needle." maybe.. maybe not.
All I say is:- if your attempting to move the needle (as you say) do it off your own back & NOT by riding off the back of another project visa ve a hard-fork.
And definitely not at the risk of potentially damaging the reputation of a well established community.

MoneroV is like a parasite, using the host to grow without giving back to said host. Even using the same "Monero" brand name!

Usually, devs see an opportunity to fork a prosperous coin just to get a jump start with their own agenda. After said project gets forked they leave it to slowly wither away and do a "duck & cover" with all the "already Allocated" dev funds etc.

BUT this is crypto, should be used to this kind of shit. AND if this is how things move along well then so be it. It's still pretty shitty IMO.

Who are the devs behind this project anyway?
Who will control the 5.859375%% fund?
What will it be used for (Specifically)?
How will consensis be gathered/attained?


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5.859375% of the total supply of MoneroV coins, using it to enhance the development of all
future works.
This will enable MoneroV to rapidly develop many urgent tasks in the form of developer
bounties, adding many paid full-time developers to the team.
● 66.6% of the funds mined by the development team will be proportionally distributed to
all team members and contributors.
● 33.3% of the funds mined by the development team will be transferred to a multisignature
wallet, with the private view key being released to the public.
● All future expenses such as storage costs and developer bounties will be detailed and
transparent.
Most of the bounties will go to developers and third-party services, like storage and security
services. The core mission of MoneroV is to rapidly add features and fix the current Monero
drawbacks. Although market forces will eventually price XMV, we have brought many expert
developers onboard, and are welcoming many more to join the team prior to the launch.
Future development:
● Web wallet & Light wallet
● PoW modification
● MimbleWimble integration

A few of the overheads/running costs specified (above) cost next to nothing to implement & maintain properly.
Monero already has a dev fund and works pretty well from what I have witnessed, Bounties fulfilled and work funded for foreseeable future #Anonimal's Kovri

https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/86967/anonimal-s-kovri-full-time-development-funding-thread

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33.3% of the funds mined by the development team will be transferred to a multisignature wallet
humm....

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The core mission of MoneroV is to rapidly add features and fix the current Monero drawbacks
Fix what exactly? OR is this code for wanting XMR clone with lower TX fee's maybe?
What drawbacks? Drawbacks from whose perspective? Monero is a perfect coin, project.

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we have brought many expert developers onboard
Okey, Who are they, what is their background?
Its important for the community to know this kind of information prior to launch, do you agree?

This post is not FUDDING. It's just how I see this project..
Well, Actually, maybe a little of my own Fear & Uncertainty and definitely Doubt.
My comments\observations are not intentionally served for creating FUD.  But rather genuine & valid concerns about one of my favorite projects XMR !!
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March 05, 2018, 06:20:27 PM
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Please make sure both cast xmr and xmr stuck will be bug free to mine with.
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March 06, 2018, 11:04:11 AM
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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.

I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

I'm defending Monero because I use it almost every day and have for the past few years.

At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.

You really think so? I think it's just a way for the 'developers' to make a quick buck. Monero has an excellent group of developers and researchers, and the MoneroV developers currently have nothing to show for themselves.

What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.

Your XMR will be safe, but it can hurt your privacy. There's a patch prepared for Monero which fixes things though.

What drawbacks? Drawbacks from whose perspective? Monero is a perfect coin, project.

I don't think that Monero is perfect (yet). Scaling is a real issue because of the transaction sizes, bulletproofs will help things but it'll still be behind Bitcoin and most other coins.
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March 06, 2018, 12:05:26 PM
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Many new accounts here are defending monero for some reason.

I'm surprised by the trolls creating new accounts trying to FUD this. Why are you so obsessed?

I'm defending Monero because I use it almost every day and have for the past few years.

At last we are seeing a fork that actually moves the needle with regards to improving the forked coin.

You really think so? I think it's just a way for the 'developers' to make a quick buck. Monero has an excellent group of developers and researchers, and the MoneroV developers currently have nothing to show for themselves.

What do you all think of this?
This is the linked article in the post - https://medium.com/@tweetingpauls/beware-of-non-native-forks-of-monero-6f5a0bf1fccf

As long as you move your XMR to a new wallet AFTER the fork, but BEFORE you claim, your XMR is perfectly safe.

This is the first thing you learn about when claiming forks. If you don't know this simple fact, you shouldn't be claiming any fork of any coin.

Your XMR will be safe, but it can hurt your privacy. There's a patch prepared for Monero which fixes things though.

What drawbacks? Drawbacks from whose perspective? Monero is a perfect coin, project.

I don't think that Monero is perfect (yet). Scaling is a real issue because of the transaction sizes, bulletproofs will help things but it'll still be behind Bitcoin and most other coins.

both Monero and their devs are overrated and even a fork couldnt fix that coin.
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March 06, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
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Is the rise of monero related to the fork? Do you do giveaways and airdrops?
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March 06, 2018, 04:40:15 PM
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When will we be able to mine moneroV?
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March 06, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
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I'm waiting patiently on buying into the post fork dip, that's where the real gain will be I think. Somewhere near the $250 mark I'd hope.

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March 07, 2018, 07:13:49 AM
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Any updates or more clarity about the fork ?
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