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[finlof]

but crumbs that's the important stuff he is doing.  deleting posts is WAAAAY more important than giving real information concerning his virtual company's actions, staff, progress, etc.  sigh...  i guess you'll just never get it, will you?

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[ffssixtynine]

but crumbs that's the important stuff he is doing.  deleting posts is WAAAAY more important than giving real information concerning his virtual company's actions, staff, progress, etc.  sigh...  i guess you'll just never get it, will you?

I love being quoted by crumbs. I didn't say anything I've not already said but thanks for quoting me and missing the bit about about him being an ideas guy who did a good thing with eASIC.

I'm intrigued at the way you gloat at real people with real problems. Not one ounce of empathy, not one ounce of credit given, and never a positive word to say. One wonders what your own life must be like. Very sad I assume, from the amount of time you spend on this forum shitting on everything and everyone. I can only presume you spent a lot of time being bullied as a kid and decided to take it out on everyone else. That or you're an egotistical twat. It only frustrates me because you're clearly also intelligent.

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but crumbs that's the important stuff he is doing.  deleting posts is WAAAAY more important than giving real information concerning his virtual company's actions, staff, progress, etc.  sigh...  i guess you'll just never get it, will you?

I love being quoted by crumbs. I didn't say anything I've not already said but thanks for quoting me and missing the bit about about him being an ideas guy who did a good thing with eASIC.

I'm intrigued at the way you gloat at real people with real problems. Not one ounce of empathy, not one ounce of credit given, and never a positive word to say. One wonders what your own life must be like. Very sad I assume, from the amount of time you spend on this forum shitting on everything and everyone. I can only presume you spent a lot of time being bullied as a kid and decided to take it out on everyone else. That or you're an egotistical twat. It only frustrates me because you're clearly also intelligent.

No.  I do not take pleasure in good people's misfortunes.
I'm not teasing children who stumble into the mud trying to rescue a kitten.
These men *earned* my ridicule.  They mock the moneyed elite, but worship greed -- convinced that simple greed alone will make their world right.
It's gratifying to watch them get bitchslapped by the invisible hand.  Again and again.  Learning that nope, it isn't.

They mock bankers, but ape them like some cargo cult pygmies -- every. chance. they. get.
Deifying money, they pass it from one to another in their pygmy rites, hoping somehow it will multiply.  It never does.  I lol every tiem.

Oddly rejuvenating to watch greed & stupidity punished.  Restores my faith
 

[iCEBREAKER]

but crumbs that's the important stuff he is doing.  deleting posts is WAAAAY more important than giving real information concerning his virtual company's actions, staff, progress, etc.  sigh...  i guess you'll just never get it, will you?

I love being quoted by crumbs. I didn't say anything I've not already said but thanks for quoting me and missing the bit about about him being an ideas guy who did a good thing with eASIC.

I'm intrigued at the way you gloat at real people with real problems. Not one ounce of empathy, not one ounce of credit given, and never a positive word to say. One wonders what your own life must be like. Very sad I assume, from the amount of time you spend on this forum shitting on everything and everyone. I can only presume you spent a lot of time being bullied as a kid and decided to take it out on everyone else. That or you're an egotistical twat. It only frustrates me because you're clearly also intelligent.

For exactly what do you want one ounce of credit?  For your stubborn, emotional attachment to an unregulated security?  For your specific lack of due diligence and general cluelessness?

Pointing out Ken's strange prioritization of deleting posts over substantive activities is not gloating.

Helping you and the rest of the Cheerleaders learn from your mistakes is not egotistical.

You just don't like the fact that we were right and you were wrong.

You also resent losing money by refusing to listen, stamping your feet, and drinking more Kool-Aid to spite us "twats."

That's OK, go ahead and vent all you like.  Shoot us poor vilified messengers if it soothes your aching butthurt.

We told you so.  You didn't listen. 

Man up and take responsibility for your failures.

[ffssixtynine]

There's a difference between greed and people trading or trying - successfully or otherwise - to start new businesses in a slightly bizarre new area. Unless you don't believe in capitalism at all.

While there are a few people who are crazy right wing libertarians, the vast majority of people are not. Whilst there are people out to defraud (Labcoin?), most are not.

Ice, your post doesn't even make sense as usual and is full of lies & made up rubbish.

Funny that both of you are anonymous.

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There's a difference between greed and people trading or trying - successfully or otherwise - to start new businesses in a slightly bizarre new area. Unless you don't believe in capitalism at all.

While there are a few people who are crazy right wing libertarians, the vast majority of people are not. Whilst there are people out to defraud (Labcoin?), most are not.

Ice, your post doesn't even make sense as usual and is full of lies & made up rubbish.

Funny that both of you are anonymous.

Let's get a few things straight:

1.  These are grown men trying to make money by giving it to a scammer on the internet, hoping that scammer will make bitcoin ASICs, which will in turn make our muppets rich.  These chips are useless to bitcoin/society/the world as a whole.  If successful, the only thing these chips will do is divvy up the mined coins differently -- making our muppets richer at the expense of other miners.  Don't say "but security!!1!"  That's bull.
This is not capitalism.
Nothing laudable here whatsoever.  

2.  I patiently explain to the greedy men that their greed is not enough to make them rich.  That a guy who thinks it's clever to have a mailing address in London & incorporating in Belize while floating a second IPO on a "virtual identity" to remonetize a failed venture ... might not make them monyz.
They flail & sperge & and forget to thank me.

3.  The "shares" tank.
4.  They tank again.
5.  An exchange (which thoughtfully warns the muppets that it's not really an exchange but a game server) shuts down.
6.  "Shares" get moved to the next exchange (which, not wishing to be outdone, warns its users that it's not responsible for anything because FU!).
7.  That shuts down too
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9999.  When can i start laughing?  C'mon, i think i sort-a deserve it by now, no?

P.S:  "Anonymous"

[iCEBREAKER]

There's a difference between greed and people trading or trying - successfully or otherwise - to start new businesses in a slightly bizarre new area. Unless you don't believe in capitalism at all.

While there are a few people who are crazy right wing libertarians, the vast majority of people are not. Whilst there are people out to defraud (Labcoin?), most are not.

Ice, your post doesn't even make sense as usual and is full of lies & made up rubbish.

Funny that both of you are anonymous.

I live and breathe capitalism, unlike you Fabian muppets.   

Capitalism requires good investments being rewarded and bad ones being punished.

Guess which side your ACTM investment is on?   

Good investment requires due diligence.

By attacking/ignoring/demonizing those with opinions different than your own, you failed at fulfilling that obligation.

The "vast majority of people" are sheep/zombies at best, parasites/looters at worst, and contribute nothing to the advancement of humanity.

Progress is typically made by a tiny few "crazy right wing libertarians" such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ron Paul, Hayek, Menger, Mises, Ayn Rand, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, etc.

They, not your romanticized sullen gray mass of mediocrity, are the prime movers of the world.

Your anti-intellectual appeal to Lumpenproletariat populism has been duly considered and utterly refuted!

[ffssixtynine]

I was talking generally, not talking about ActiveMining, not least because so much of that has been addressed already so I'm not arsed to get into an argument with someone not interested in actual discussion. My god if you wanted to pick ActiveMining apart you sure do go about it completely wrong. You only pick on the irrelevant points then crow about them as if they are the be all and end all - just happy to be right and saying everyone should have listened.

If ActM fails then it is not going to be because of all this share bullshit or Belize or the eASIC chips themselves being worthless. It'll fail because of business failures if it's going to, and that should be more than apparent by now. All the facts one needs to identify the weak points are out there and you conspicuously and continually fail to pick up on them. If I were writing a takedown of Active Mining or IceDrill, I'd not mention any of your points at all.

You're intellectually lazy and an attention seeker (hence this is my last reply).

You throw the words scammer and illegal around as if that makes you right. It doesn't, although other lazy thinkers may not see that.

Exchanges and most share issuers are not scammers except by your lazy definition. They may be flawed in what they're doing but that doesn't make them a scammer nor do it make what they do illegal. Having done a great deal of due diligence, a lot more than you I'd wager, it's a lot more complicated than that.

What's clear from your last post is that you have a some weird politics going on there. It really doesn't matter to you if people are scamming or not, if they make money or not, if it's legal or not. Forex trading, silver, gold, stock, bonds - all legal and all full of regular traders alongside people doing grey area or illegal things for a buck. No different. You probably feel the same about them. Adding nothing to anything in the world perhaps, just shifting money about.

Fair enough. Who am I to argue with the politics of that - though I wonder how your real life works - but I will never agree with anyone enjoying people's misfortune. It's just plain old nasty. But maybe that's just me being all soft and humanist and actually giving a shit.

[iCEBREAKER]

I was talking generally, not talking about ActiveMining, not least because so much of that has been addressed already so I'm not arsed to get into an argument with someone not interested in actual discussion. My god if you wanted to pick ActiveMining apart you sure do go about it completely wrong. You only pick on the irrelevant points then crow about them as if they are the be all and end all - just happy to be right and saying everyone should have listened.

If ActM fails then it is not going to be because of all this share bullshit or Belize or the eASIC chips themselves being worthless. It'll fail because of business failures if it's going to, and that should be more than apparent by now. All the facts one needs to identify the weak points are out there and you conspicuously and continually fail to pick up on them. If I were writing a takedown of Active Mining or IceDrill, I'd not mention any of your points at all.

You're intellectually lazy and an attention seeker (hence this is my last reply).

You throw the words scammer and illegal around as if that makes you right. It doesn't, although other lazy thinkers may not see that.

Exchanges and most share issuers are not scammers except by your lazy definition. They may be flawed in what they're doing but that doesn't make them a scammer nor do it make what they do illegal. Having done a great deal of due diligence, a lot more than you I'd wager, it's a lot more complicated than that.

What's clear from your last post is that you have a some weird politics going on there. It really doesn't matter to you if people are scamming or not, if they make money or not, if it's legal or not. Forex trading, silver, gold, stock, bonds - all legal and all full of regular traders alongside people doing grey area or illegal things for a buck. No different. You probably feel the same about them. Adding nothing to anything in the world perhaps, just shifting money about.

Fair enough. Who am I to argue with the politics of that - though I wonder how your real life works - but I will never agree with anyone enjoying people's misfortune. It's just plain old nasty. But maybe that's just me being all soft and humanist and actually giving a shit.

This is a teachable moment for you Cheerleaders but it requires tough love, not indulgent automatic forgiveness.

You have the opportunity to salvage something valuable (lessons on investing and keeping an open mind) from your failed investment.

You failed to listen to the voices of reason and lost your Bitcoins as a result.

Instead of being neutral and studious, you got emotionally involved and defensive to the point of ignoring/attacking/demonizing your betters.

And you have the gall to call us "intellectually lazy?"  Oh please.   

I see you've learned nothing from this misadventure.  You socialists are beyond help, protected from harsh reality by a thick shell of smugness and self-congratulatory confirmation bias.

This sheepdog is done trying to protect you from the wolves, much less teaching you self-defense.  Enjoy your fate, chump.

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I was talking generally, not talking about ActiveMining, not least because so much of that has been addressed already so I'm not arsed to get into an argument with someone not interested in actual discussion. My god if you wanted to pick ActiveMining apart you sure do go about it completely wrong. You only pick on the irrelevant points then crow about them as if they are the be all and end all - just happy to be right and saying everyone should have listened.

If ActM fails then it is not going to be because of all this share bullshit or Belize or the eASIC chips themselves being worthless. It'll fail because of business failures if it's going to, and that should be more than apparent by now. All the facts one needs to identify the weak points are out there and you conspicuously and continually fail to pick up on them. If I were writing a takedown of Active Mining or IceDrill, I'd not mention any of your points at all.

You're intellectually lazy and an attention seeker (hence this is my last reply).

You throw the words scammer and illegal around as if that makes you right. It doesn't, although other lazy thinkers may not see that.

Exchanges and most share issuers are not scammers except by your lazy definition. They may be flawed in what they're doing but that doesn't make them a scammer nor do it make what they do illegal. Having done a great deal of due diligence, a lot more than you I'd wager, it's a lot more complicated than that.

What's clear from your last post is that you have a some weird politics going on there. It really doesn't matter to you if people are scamming or not, if they make money or not, if it's legal or not. Forex trading, silver, gold, stock, bonds - all legal and all full of regular traders alongside people doing grey area or illegal things for a buck. No different. You probably feel the same about them. Adding nothing to anything in the world perhaps, just shifting money about.

Fair enough. Who am I to argue with the politics of that - though I wonder how your real life works - but I will never agree with anyone enjoying people's misfortune. It's just plain old nasty. But maybe that's just me being all soft and humanist and actually giving a shit.

1. The points i harp on with ActM are particularly lulzy, that's why they bear repeating.  They instantly paint ActM in every shade of scam rainbow, while being so amateurish and infantile that i almost feel cruel pointing them out.  Almost.

2.  I don't care if you would pick my points to discredit ActM -- there's no need to dig beneath the surface when "SCAM" is plastered all over it.  But not just any sort of scam.

Nosir.

What we got in ActM is a lazy, grossly incompetent scam, scam that insults the bystander with its lack of effort and attention to detail.
A scam that's an embarrassment to all of the bitcoin.  It's the artlessness and shoddiness that gets me as much as the scamming.

3. Calling me "intellectually lazy" when you have nothing is intellectually lazy. (hence this is my last reply)

If you can't be polite, GTFO my thread.

P.S.  I've never called the exchanges "scams," and honestly don't remember using the word "illegal" more than a couple of times *in my life*.
The exchanges are not at fault here -- the TOS on both sites were clear, direct and explicit, leaving absolutely no room for confusion as to the nature of business conducted behind said TOS. 
Which makes the demanding attitudes of the sites' users particularly confounding.

[finlof]

speaking of capitalism - i have made WAAAAAY more off of Avalon than I EVER will off ActiveMining products/stock.  latest profit was from an Avalon mini that I purchased with 4BTC when BTC was worth around $190/each (i actually paid less than $100/BTC for these back in the day) - http://www.ebay.com/itm/331059461306?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1561.l2649.  even if you use today's coinbase price of $250/BTC then i still made around $350 (1501, subtract ebay and paypal fees, subtract shipping cost).

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There is no way on God's Earth that they will be shipping ANYTHING this year, apart from Christmas cards.  I hope it's a funny cat one for bALLBEAKER/mumble.  MEOW.   *lolzy lolz*

How's them eAsic test chips hashin' zumzero?
Is Ken's BitGoatse Megamine a 51% threat yet



PS:  Ken, be a doll & put this graphic back up on your site, pl0xy plox!

[iCEBREAKER]

HASHFAST TRIUMPHANT!

ALWAYS BET ON ICE...

Silicon Wafer Fabbed Out Successfully

The silicon wafers have completed fabrication. The silicon is the core of the chip, and the complicated etching process that creates the circuitry on the silicon is finished. Now the process is starting of taking this silicon, with its complete circuits, and packaging it into finished chips. The wafers are en route to San Jose, where they will be cut into individual die. We’ll get photos for you soon.

This is great news for HashFast customers.  Our 400GH/sec chips are done and being assembled!

This isn't great news for ACTM. 

Where are their 16GH/sec chips?  Where is their financial statement?

[iCEBREAKER]

Our 400GH/sec chips
their 16GH/sec chips

That's the only thing that matters really. They were supposed to have their chips faster than the others, and it looks like it's not happening. KnC shipping before them was already hard, but any custom 28 nm shipping is DEATH.

ACTM is great at deleting my posts.

Designing and producing ASICs?  Not so much!   

[iCEBREAKER]

VMC Sales:

3rd Quarter 2013           $1,404,217

October 2013                   $520,898

Total Sales YTD             $1,925,115

There is no way ACTM can compete with such paltry sales.

For comparison, HashFast sales are about $20 million in the same amount of time.

ACTM can't sell any more shares, because BitFunder is closing.

ACTM can't sell any more chips, because they are overdue, obsolete, and very slow (16GH).

No money to build out mine = empty Buttcave.

[iCEBREAKER]

How much has already been paid out per share?
How much per share is remaining to reach the .0025 mark?

A total of 25M, but only 10M listed until .0025 is paid in dividends.

About 0.0024 btc per share (10Million only) has still to be paid out.

That's not going to happen.

Even zumzero isn't stupid enough to believe that. 

Stuartuk, OHOH, has already spent his anticipated dividends on a spiffy new logo for ACTM.

Here's the old one:



And the new one:

[iCEBREAKER]

There is no way on God's Earth that they will be shipping ANYTHING this year, apart from Christmas cards.  I hope it's a funny cat one for bALLBEAKER/mumble.  MEOW.   *lolzy lolz*

ACTM will not be issuing full refunds in BTC when they fail to ship this year.

If HashFast doesn't ship anything this year, apart from Christmas cards, I get a full refund.  In BTC.

Given the coins have appreciated 300% vs fiat since I spent them, I'm fine with that.

How's your ACTM stock doing zz? 

Looks like a total loss!  Glad I sold at 0.0045 way back in August, to suckers like you!   

[babybonobo]

A lot of bitterness and pessimism here.  How about a big STFU until we see what actually happens with the company?  Nobody has a crystal ball, time will prove everything.

[finlof]

A lot of bitterness and pessimism here.  How about a big STFU until we see what actually happens with the company?  Nobody has a crystal ball, time will prove everything.

apparently you have a crystal ball Mr. "time will prove everything"

pessimism (maybe some have bitterness, but i didnt lose any $ so i am ok) are borne out of a sheer lack of real communication and information and bullshit one-word responses from Ken.  if you are ok with that then no worries and no reason for you to be posting here.

[iCEBREAKER]

Hi all,

Here is a picture of Kenneth Slaughter, VMC CEO, receiving the wafers!




Cheers,

ACTIVE MINING Team
























EDIT: Oops, that's actually the CEO of HashFast receiving their wafers. 

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