[PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela

[cryptoviagra]

Lol a fraudster now loool, how am I suppose to trust a governement who tells me to pay without knowing how much petro I will get, this is just common sense to protect myself from being deceived, I am far from a fraudster call me a very good detective with good sense, I am exposing the Venezuela incompetence and I bet President Maduro is about to scream that the ICO got them 8 billions but you can't pay in dollars neither in euros looool!!!!!!!

AMATEUR!!!

OMG you are a clown. Why would you buy in the first place? Nobody would buy while complaining like you. So you're probably even a liar.
Apart from that, I don't see what you would be "exposing".

Venezuelan opposition people online often seem escaped from a psychiatric hospital  

Dude you can maybe check people on here but you can't never check me, you and your favorite government are deiceving people, I bought Petro because I had faith but I must let the world know that this coin is about to die before it will even start officially, you are the clown, nothing in this project is done properly that is why you on Twitter begging Venezuelan officials to correct their terrible mistakes with the IBAN accounts, the worst thing you could do is trying to fight me because I would always put u in check, I thought you had. Good sense now I know you are just a pro Maduro with no good judgement, that means people fighting you with political arguments may be right.

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[cryptoviagra]

Bye bye USD

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/us-dollar-death-blow-china-petro-yuan/

[STT]

Spotted this article calling out some basic mistake on amount raised.   Anyone else seen the $5bn claim stated ?

According to the whitepaper on the official site of the initiative,  exactly 38,400,000 tokens were on offer worth $ 60 each token (not counting the discount of 60% announced by the government during this phase). Crunching the numbers,  the maximum the government could raise would be $ 2.304 billion, not counting the discount. If Maduro tells the truth in his announcement, he does not tell the truth in the official document of the project and in all previous announcements made by the president himself. After all, according to a new statement released,  all tokens were sold at 46% off the officially amount announced (not counting the discounts).

https://www.ccn.com/venezuelas-president-false-information-petro/


Also interesting is the alleged link between Russia and Venezuela which this Petro to be used as a trade between the two.  In a way thats bullish because it gives a large backer and future user, though Russia has plenty oil of its own where as China does not.

[alemacgo]

This should be responsibility of Abrahan Landaeta Parra, Treasurer of cryptoassets of Venezuela! @AbrahanDLP
     

In other news, you can see Abrahan Landaeta Parra's very poor knowledge of Venezuelan pop culture https://youtu.be/xIJAUgYP8dE. Spoiler alert: he knows about cryptocurrency even less 

[cryptoviagra]

This should be responsibility of Abrahan Landaeta Parra, Treasurer of cryptoassets of Venezuela! @AbrahanDLP
     

In other news, you can see Abrahan Landaeta Parra's very poor knowledge of Venezuelan pop culture https://youtu.be/xIJAUgYP8dE. Spoiler alert: he knows about cryptocurrency even less 

Lmao that was funny Total 0 hahahaha , The Circus being exposed with lead CLOWN Taseenb!!!

[cryptoviagra]

Bitfinex first exchange to decline Petro and the coin is not even out yet...👀🤕😎
http://blog.bitfinex.com/announcements/statement-venezuelan-petro-token/

[STT]

Bitfinex really has no choice, its already been outlawed as a legal trading activity and they are a company with assets within the USA.   I'm slightly surprised at the start they state they have no personal belief in the viability of the crypto currency, which goes above and beyond what I expected of the rest as just mostly a legal statement assuring investors and regulators they will avoid any participation.    Risk vs reward for them its not even close to viable so really not surprising.
   If I owned my own desert island or lived in somewhere independent like that I could examine it more closely but I already said I fear for the background efficiency case to any improvement for the value PTR might bring.   Even if its a massive online crypto asset, the idea of just paying bills doesnt fit a growth prospect for me.  For the people who are already rich, it may be some benefit.  I would love to be wrong however and the people of Venezuela are better off and more able to do business and/or improve oil yields.

[taseenb]

https://www.ccn.com/venezuelas-president-false-information-petro/

Also interesting is the alleged link between Russia and Venezuela which this Petro to be used as a trade between the two.  In a way thats bullish because it gives a large backer and future user, though Russia has plenty oil of its own where as China does not.

CNN is a propaganda joke but yes it could likely be used in trade with China and India. And for all Venezuelan oil trade actually.

[taseenb]

Bitfinex first exchange to decline Petro and the coin is not even out yet...👀🤕😎
http://blog.bitfinex.com/announcements/statement-venezuelan-petro-token/

Least surprising news ever.

Embarrassing troll btw.

[cryptoviagra]

https://www.ccn.com/venezuelas-president-false-information-petro/

Also interesting is the alleged link between Russia and Venezuela which this Petro to be used as a trade between the two.  In a way thats bullish because it gives a large backer and future user, though Russia has plenty oil of its own where as China does not.

CNN is a propaganda joke but yes it could likely be used in trade with China and India. And for all Venezuelan oil trade actually.

I believe you mean CCN not CNN 🤔

[EHEP]

Petro

    Precios Referencia del Petro
 
 Fecha          Yuan/Bl*    Euro/Bl*        Tendencia
19/03/2018       ¥370.08    €47.49   -
20/03/2018   ¥375.70    €48.08   
21/03/2018   ¥384.76   €49.23   
22/03/2018   ¥378.07   €48.46   
23/03/2018   ¥386.64   €49.47   
26/03/2018   ¥384.20   €49.40   
 
(*) Promedio de cesta de crudos marcadores venezolanos.
Tipo de Cambio (26/03/2018): 1 USD = ¥ 6.30 ; 1 USD = € 0.81
 



http://www.minpet.gob.ve/portalmenpet/secciones.php?option=view&idS=244

[cryptoviagra]

The Android wallet for Petro is here and honestly it's simple and Beautiful...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.isarq.ptrwallet

UPDATE: THE PETRO WEBSITE IS OFFLINE SINCE FEW HOURS!!!!


UPDATE: WEBSITE BACK ONLINE (IBAN ACCOUNT STILL NOT AVAILABLE)

[happyminer1]

UPDATE: THE PETRO WEBSITE IS OFFLINE SINCE FEW HOURS!!!!

Up and running in most parts of the world.

[coinve]

this link works: http://www.elpetro.gob.ve
petro wallet android, official link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.isarq.ptrwallet

IBAN ACCOUNT STILL NOT AVAILABLE

pay with a cryptocurrency, done.

[cryptoviagra]

this link works: http://www.elpetro.gob.ve
petro wallet android, official link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.isarq.ptrwallet

IBAN ACCOUNT STILL NOT AVAILABLE

pay with a cryptocurrency, done.

No, the website says euro is available so they should correct it, we dealing with a government it's not a joke, millions of people don't deal with cryptocurrency yet, this is an opportunity to deal with the cryto world!!!

[happyminer1]

Spotted this article calling out some basic mistake on amount raised.   Anyone else seen the $5bn claim stated ?

Sure, and often. Maduro made the claim for the first time on 9th of March:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/10/c_137029264.htm

Interestingly on 22nd of March he repeated the statement and claimed more precisely that 200.927 offers totaling $5.025.181.787,54 were made during the whole presale.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/23/c_137059983.htm
http://minci.gob.ve/2018/03/10-mas-de-5-mil-millones-de-dolares-obtuvo-el-petro-en-su-preventa/

There was no explanation why the alleged amount didn't increase between 9th and 22nd of March.

[EHEP]

Spotted this article calling out some basic mistake on amount raised.   Anyone else seen the $5bn claim stated ?

Sure, and often. Maduro made the claim for the first time on 9th of March:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/10/c_137029264.htm

Interestingly on 22nd of March he repeated the statement and claimed more precisely that 200.927 million offers totaling $5.025.181.787,54 were made during the whole presale.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/23/c_137059983.htm
http://minci.gob.ve/2018/03/10-mas-de-5-mil-millones-de-dolares-obtuvo-el-petro-en-su-preventa/

There was no explanation why the alleged amount didn't increase between 9th and 22nd of March.

I am at ease with my belief that Venezuela and its allies will try to prevent the short-term failure of the Petro.
Those persons, on the contrary, that believe and try to demonstrate that the Venezuelan government may be perpetrating a scam, shouldn't waste their time commenting on each petty detail of the process. Since they have a fundamental mistrust of the Venezuelan government, they should, of course, not even consider buying Petros.

[andryp99]

Venezuela + oil + US propaganda = hysteria

Let's forget for a moment the Petro and the current economic crisis in Venezuela. Let's see some FACTS:

• Venezuela has a strongly democratic Constitution and is a liberal democracy.
• Their electoral system, introduced in early 2000s, was defined by US ex-president Jimmy Carter "the best in the world" (Carter was an international observer during elections in dozens of countries).
• Private property is protected under the law, exactly like in any other liberal democracy.
• Private media (that includes several TV channels, newspapers and websites) are mostly controlled by the opposition.
• In Venezuela you have debates defining Maduro a dictator and the government a "regime" on TV, every day.
• They have dozens of political parties: some belong to the government coalition, some are opposition parties. All of them can (obviously) participate in free, secret, universal elections.
• Venezuela guarantees the right to demonstrate and protest, free speech and press freedom are protected by the law.
• Only in the last year Venezuela held 3 different elections: Constituent Assembly, Mayors and Governors.
• On April 22nd, 2018, Venezuela will have the Presidential Election and the electoral campaign has already started.
• If you like McDonalds or Burger King, you can find them in Caracas.
• You can actually find any other major multinational brand and, among them, many US companies operating in Venezuela.

Therefore Venezuela is definitely not a "communist dictatorship", not even close.
Venezuela is a liberal democracy with elected governments that the US have tried to overthrow (undemocratically) for 20 years.

Many people fail to analyse Venezuelan political and economic situation, without falling for narratives that are unsupported by facts. I can't blame them. Some of them have no idea but repeat what they heard. Some are influenced by 20 years of massive propaganda by the US funded opposition and the US. A minority (mostly middle and upper class Venezuelans) have reasons to think that their privileges and interests are not supported, as they've always been, under Chavez and Maduro. And last but not least, radical anti-socialists or fascists of the world developed a biased judgement based on their ideology and hatred towards anything that uses the word "socialism".

The guy whose wife is Venezuelan (cbair3) admits he has "strong opinions" for that reason. Sure, middle class Venezuelans (mostly white) grew up in an environment of toxic propaganda (and sometimes outright racism), mostly after Chavez was first elected. Many middle class Venezuelans dream to be a sort of American surrogate, and they are: they idolise the model of the masters (the de-facto rulers of the country for a century), dreaming a life of consumption that the vast majority of Venezuelans cannot even afford to imagine. This happens in all Latin American countries and represents a major effect of US imperial power over the continent.

We see this power reflected in the anti-chavista propaganda that you can find on a daily basis on all major TV networks and news outlets. rme's post is one in a million: you can find tons of posts like that in social media. Why? Where do the lies and hysteria come from? Why people hate so much the government of Venezuela and not, let's say, the government of Colombia, where life conditions for millions are catastrophic and political assassinations a daily reality? Very simple: Colombia has a puppet government controlled by the US and is militarily occupied by the US with several military bases, so everything's "fine" in Colombia (despite 5 decades of civil war, tens of thousands of deaths, death squads, paramilitaries violence, massive drug trade, massive political assassinations etc).

I let you analyse the news on Venezuela that you can find on CNN, BBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post and so on, in the last 20 years. And then compare all that with what actually happened in Venezuela in the last 20 years, by only relying on the facts. Take your time.

Do you ever been in Venezuela? Who told you all that? Or where did you heard it, from RT or Telesur?

[coinve]

Do you ever been in Venezuela? Who told you all that? Or where did you heard it, from RT or Telesur?

it doesn't matter, this thread is about Petro.
if you registered to repeat fakenews about the venezuelan government, you're wasting your time.
whatever you say here won't stop Petro.
if you don't like Petro, don't buy it, it's simple.
i don't buy Apple products because i don't like it and i don't talk shit about Apple because it's time wasted.

[EHEP]

i'm sorry.
This is my commentary, which was included above:

I am at ease with my belief that Venezuela and its allies will try to prevent the short-term failure of the Petro.
Those persons, on the contrary, that believe and try to demonstrate that the Venezuelan government may be perpetrating a scam, shouldn't waste their time commenting on each petty detail of the process. Since they have a fundamental mistrust of the Venezuelan government, they should, of course, not even consider buying Petros.