[PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela

[cryptoviagra]

As of now yes we got scammed,time will tell if it was a good investment or not, I would suggest Taseebb to close this topic and come back stronger if the Petro rise...Cheers

[coinve]

i believe that those 200 transactions was a test.
that's why there is exactly 200.
that mean, they sent a small fraction of what they have sold so far.
also that mean, not everybody who bought petros received their petros.
and nobody can confirm shit.

flooding this thread repeating the same shit over and over and over again is not gonna change anything.
you're wasting your time.

[nutildah]

i believe that those 200 transactions was a test.
that's why there is exactly 200.
that mean, they sent a small fraction of what they have sold so far.
also that mean, not everybody who bought petros received their petros.
and nobody can confirm shit.

Try reading the Mosaic transaction history in the block explorer again. There was 204 transactions, not 200 exactly. If you're meaning transaction by address NBC2LLR5W2NSH6MYI7O6PT7OF34CSL55L27ZXTQZ, then yes the number is 200.

But you're contradicting your best friend taseenb's words. He said everybody who purchased petros got the ICO token. So who is incorrect, you or him?

Also, why wouldn't the government tell people that you need NEM in your petro wallet if you want to send PTR tokens anywhere? You just do. It's not an opinion. It's the way any coin network operates. You can't send anything for free on the NEM network. So every single person who wants to trade the petro, use it to pay for this and that, will also need NEM. Yet not one peep out of the government about this.

flooding this thread repeating the same shit over and over and over again is not gonna change anything.
you're wasting your time.

Taseenb should have made the thread a moderated one, but he didn't. Pretty colossal error if totalitarianism and censorship is your thing, which it is, apparently.

[coinve]

Try reading the Mosaic transaction history in the block explorer again. There was 204 transactions, not 200 exactly.
If you're meaning transaction by address NBC2LLR5W2NSH6MYI7O6PT7OF34CSL55L27ZXTQZ, then yes the number is 200.

it seems to me that only 200 are wallets from real buyers.
and those 200 exactly was a test.
that's what i think.
i can be wrong or not, you can believe me or not.
it's simple.

But you're contradicting your best friend taseenb's words. He said everybody who purchased petros got the ICO token. So who is incorrect, you or him?

we are not the same person and we don't work together.
he has his opinions and thoughts, i have mines.
i can be wrong or not, he can be wrong or not, you can believe me (or believe him) or not.
it's simple.

Also, why wouldn't the government tell people that you need NEM in your petro wallet if you want to send PTR tokens anywhere? You just do. It's not an opinion. It's the way any coin network operates. You can't send anything for free on the NEM network. So every single person who wants to trade the petro, use it to pay for this and that, will also need NEM. Yet not one peep out of the government about this.

NEM is the project, the technology, the blockchain, the foundation...
XEM is the native token of NEM.

Do you need XEM to pay the NEM blockchain fees to send Petros? as far as i know, yes.
https://forum.nem.io/t/will-fees-for-sending-mosaics-always-be-in-xem/14968
to send ERC20 tokens you need to pay gas in ETH.
i guess Petro's buyers are aware of this.
it will be that way forever? we don't know.

fees are 0.05 XEM
right now is $0.0075

Taseenb should have made the thread a moderated one, but he didn't.
Pretty colossal error if totalitarianism and censorship is your thing, which it is, apparently.

saying: "flooding this thread repeating the same shit over and over and over again is not gonna change anything. you're wasting your time."
it's not totalitarianism and censorship.
you're free to waste your time, go ahead, lmao.

[cryptoviagra]

[quote
Do you need XEM to pay the NEM blockchain fees to send Petros? as far as i know, yes.
https://forum.nem.io/t/will-fees-for-sending-mosaics-always-be-in-xem/14968
to send ERC20 tokens you need to pay gas in ETH.
i guess Petro's buyers are aware of this.
it will be that way forever? we don't know.

What??? I have no clue  about paying gas in ETH nothing was mentioned on the whitepaper, what bullshit is that again, all I know is that I have tokens in a wallent and it's impossible to move them, coinve so you was aware that we needed gas, how did you get informed of that? I m not expecting Petro to succeed anymore but I d like to understand how dumb I was to believe the Venezuelan regime could be honest....

[Axioman]

Everything, absolutely in everything, where the Bolivarian regime has participated, has ended in ruin. The sad thing for Venezuela is that it practically did everything.

His biggest mistake: CONTROL OF CHANGE

You have to be very stupid, very ignorant or very fanatical to think that this regime that only generates ruin and tension would do something right.

THE PETRO IS ONLY A PAGES MORE THAN A LONG AND SORRY HISTORY

In Venezuela there are unfortunately people who survive to applaud, and even knowing how wrong the system continues.

[nutildah]

What??? I have no clue  about paying gas in ETH nothing was mentioned on the whitepaper, what bullshit is that again, all I know is that I have tokens in a wallent and it's impossible to move them, coinve so you was aware that we needed gas, how did you get informed of that? I m not expecting Petro to succeed anymore but I d like to understand how dumb I was to believe the Venezuelan regime could be honest....

Yes, you have to buy XEM (the network parent coin -- think of it as ETH, and the transaction fee of 0.05 XEM as "gas") from an exchange and deposit it to the address that is holding your tokens. Because I am interested to see if you can move the tokens or not, I will send you a couple XEM for free if you post your NEM address here. You'll have to create a secondary NEM address first though.

it seems to me that only 200 are wallets from real buyers.
and those 200 exactly was a test.
that's what i think.
i can be wrong or not

Oh, you're definitely wrong. There's no question.

Do you need XEM to pay the NEM blockchain fees to send Petros? as far as i know, yes.
...
i guess Petro's buyers are aware of this.

Why on earth would you guess petro's buyers are aware of this? It said nothing about it in their whitepaper or anywhere on the website, or by anybody associated with the petro, ever. It was appealing to a largely non-technical audience. Its ridiculous to think people would know about tokens, mosaics and network transaction fees who didn't already have experience in cryptocurrency.

What I don't understand is why you insist on conning your own people so hard. This is obviously a scam and yet you keep defending it. What kind of lowlife sociopath are you?

"in the next few days, the transfer of Tokens begins." -- petro website's been saying that for the last 2 weeks (or more).

[coinve]

What??? I have no clue  about paying gas in ETH nothing was mentioned on the whitepaper, what bullshit is that again, all I know is that I have tokens in a wallent and it's impossible to move them, coinve so you was aware that we needed gas, how did you get informed of that? I m not expecting Petro to succeed anymore but I d like to understand how dumb I was to believe the Venezuelan regime could be honest...

dude
seriously?
Did you really buy Petros without knowing what nem tokens are and how they work?

anyway, as far as i know:

you need to pay fees to send erc20 tokens through the ethereum blockchain.
transactions are not free, ethereum miners have to receive something in return.
those fees are called "gas" and you pay them in ethereum.

the same way with nem tokens and the nem blockchain.
you need xem to pay transaction fees on the nem blockchain.

Will Petro be a nem token forever? Will you have to pay xem fees forever? we don't know.

Oh, you're definitely wrong. There's no question.

Do you have any proof of that?

Why on earth would you guess petro's buyers are aware of this? It said nothing about it in their whitepaper or anywhere on the website, or by anybody associated with the petro, ever. It was appealing to a largely non-technical audience. Its ridiculous to think people would know about tokens, mosaics and network transaction fees who didn't already have experience in cryptocurrency.

right now petro is a nem token.
someone interested in buying petros, read first what nem tokens are and how they work.
if the white paper doesn't say anything about nem tokens in detail, he or she goes to the nem website to get informed the same way I did the first time.
it's simple.

What I don't understand is why you insist on conning your own people so hard.
This is obviously a scam and yet you keep defending it.
What kind of lowlife sociopath are you?

you already said that, that petro is a scam.
Why repeat the same shit over and over again knowing that it won't change anything?
if you think that Petro is a scam, it's fine, just don't buy it and leave the thread.
otherwise, What kind of lowlife sociopath are you?

[taseenb]

My god, I come back to this thread hoping to find something interesting and lately only find idiots repeating their bullshit over and over again. Idiocy has no bottom. So sad there's people who love to waste their lives like this. Hate and ignorance. Mostly because whatever shit they fill their washed brains with, nothing will change: they are sheep and they will be sheep forever. This is true in politics, in finance, in trading, in life. There's nothing others can do to help: the origin of the word idiot is "private", someone autistic, isolated, unable to relate and communicate. An idiot basically.

Anyway. I don't have much time to keep updating this atm, and certainly have no time to deal with idiotic spammers. Luckily there is Coinve posting something meaningful (thanks man). I will keep following (hope the garbage will disappear soon).

[coinve]

Anyway. I don't have much time to keep updating this atm, and certainly have no time to deal with idiotic spammers.
Luckily there is Coinve posting something meaningful (thanks man).
I will keep following (hope the garbage will disappear soon).

thanks man.
the reason i keep posting everyday is because i'm practicing english.
i will keep posting updates if something big happen, like the last change.

[cryptoviagra]

I d like to say that Taseebb you're the worst idiot in this thread, calling people idiots all the time, I personally had no clue about having to pay fees to move my tokens, I knew about a possible swap when Petro will get their own blockchain eventually but nowhere it is clearly explain what is those mosaic and Petro tokens, we paid an amount to receive token and gave them our wallet adress and since months no news anymore,so yes we got scanned by the Venezuelan  governement, even on this thread nothing is mentioned about the foncionality of those nem tokens....I only respect Coinve who is trying his best to explain and inform us about the Petro but you Taseenb you have been exposed multiple times as an fanatic idiot,so bring  answers or shut the fuck up stupid idiot,stop calling people out of their names.

[nutildah]

you already said that, that petro is a scam.
Why repeat the same shit over and over again knowing that it won't change anything?
if you think that Petro is a scam, it's fine, just don't buy it and leave the thread.
otherwise, What kind of lowlife sociopath are you?

The kind that is trying to undo the words of blatant scam apologists such as yourself.

I mean, the damage is already done, there's no way to get these people back their money.

But why do you keep rushing to the defense of this scam?

Can you prove you and taseenb aren't the same people? It seems like you are, and you'll just say the first thing that comes to mind when cobbling a pathetic defense against the reality that this is a scam. Both you and him have absolutely no life outside of shilling for the petro, which might go down in history as the biggest ICO scam of all-time. Neither of you have any credibility whatsoever. You both should go back to your dayjobs and forget you ever had an account here.

[coinve]

The kind that is trying to undo the words of blatant scam apologists such as yourself

ok.

the damage is already done, there's no way to get these people back their money

Are you sure? Can you prove it?
 

why do you keep rushing to the defense of this scam?

i'm not defending anything.
but i'm not going to say that petro is already a scam because it's not true.
petro is not dead, we are just waiting for new news.
soon or later, they are going to release it.
Why? because they need it.
it has to happen something really bad to ditch the petro.
in that scenery, they will return the money that buyers paid.
because the venezuelan government is not an unknown startup company that can disappear tomorrow.

Can you prove you and taseenb aren't the same people? It seems like you are.

Can you prove you and cryptoviagra aren't the same person? because it seems like you are.

you'll just say the first thing that comes to mind when cobbling a pathetic defense against the reality that this is a scam.

"petro is a scam", you already said that a gazillion times.
now you can leave in peace.

Both you and him have absolutely no life outside of shilling for the petro

well... at least we don't incarcerate, torture and drug children from "shithole countries" in concentration camps.

which might go down in history as the biggest ICO scam of all-time.

How can it be the biggest ICO scam of all time if nobody bought it? according to the "experts", including yourself.
remember? "only +200 buyers"
How much is that? a few thousands of dollars?
OMG!!! the biggest ICO scam EVER!!
 

Neither of you have any credibility whatsoever.

and you have of course.
excuse me, Who are you?

You both should go back to your dayjobs and forget you ever had an account here.

Weren't you the one that mentioned before something about "totalitarianism and censorship"?

[nutildah]

How can it be the biggest ICO scam of all time if nobody bought it? according to the "experts", including yourself.
remember? "only +200 buyers"
How much is that? a few thousands of dollars?
OMG!!! the biggest ICO scam EVER!!

The website claims $5 billion. If you add up transactions from the NEM mosaic, its about $260,000. But according to you, that's only a "test" portion of buyers.

I ask you again, why do you keep defending this blatant scam? What's wrong with you?

Neither of you have any credibility whatsoever.

and you have of course.
excuse me, Who are you?

I am Nutilda the Hungry, Destroyer of Buffets. I have more credibility in my left pinky than the both of you do in your entire lineages. I repeat - all you and taseenb do is shill for the petro. That's your entire, pathetic existence. I hope the pay was at least good for selling out your soul and helping at least 200 people lose their money.

[Haekat]

Hello guys! I've noticed that there is no new members at this thread. Only experienced guys. I guess it's very bad because there won't be demand in the token so it won't grow when release date comes. Why do you think it happens?
What recommended parameters to adjust in my wallet for investing in your project?

[coinve]

The website claims $5 billion.
If you add up transactions from the NEM mosaic, its about $260,000.
But according to you, that's only a "test" portion of buyers.

following the "experts" including yourself, nobody bought petros.
if nobody bought petros, How can it be the biggest scam ever?

I ask you again, why do you keep defending this blatant scam? What's wrong with you?

i ask you again
Why do you keep repeting yourself?
What's wrong with you?

I am Nutilda the Hungry, Destroyer of Buffets.
I have more credibility in my left pinky than the both of you do in your entire lineages.

now we know the reason.

I repeat - all you and taseenb do is shill for the petro.
That's your entire, pathetic existence.
I hope the pay was at least good for selling out your soul and helping at least 200 people lose their money.

fine. don't forget to close the door after leave. thanks.

[coinve]

Hello guys! I've noticed that there is no new members at this thread. Only experienced guys. I guess it's very bad because there won't be demand in the token so it won't grow when release date comes. Why do you think it happens?

it's silly to think that the future of a coin/token depends on new members in a fucking thread.
most people are just waiting for its release to buy.

What recommended parameters to adjust in my wallet for investing in your project?

wtf are you talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOnENVylxPI

[Axioman]

the Bolivarian regime lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO4zk27xG_U

MIPPCIVzla

Posted on Jun 15 2018

Only in its pre-sale, the Petro managed to attract investors from 127 countries, and have already bought about 3 billion dollars in Petro and have made 171,015 certified purchases of the cryptocurrency, the only one backed by the nation's oil reserves.

[Axioman]

The seventh largest holder of Petros is cryptoviagra

[Axioman]

Recommendations to address the economic situation   (((((Alleged group of experts)))))
June 12, 2018

Proposals

Strengthen the value of the bolivar. We propose:

The creation of the sovereign gold bolivar whose value is fixed by the amount of gold deposited in the vaults of the Central Bank of Venezuela. The objective is to anchor the value of the bolivar to a good whose price is marked on the international market, not susceptible to manipulation by third parties, which has been the determining factor of induced inflation and economic destabilization. As an alternative proposal, it is suggested to set the value of the bolivar with respect to oil, based on the whole of the same block decreed as support for Petro.

In either of the two alternatives, the Petro would function as a currency only for foreign trade, and the sovereign bolivar (backed by gold or oil) would circulate as the national currency.

Both options require preventing the acquisition of Petros with sovereign bolivars to prevent the flight of foreign currency, and to prohibit the free use of cryptocurrency within the country

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