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if they actually had all of these units ready and made for shipping when they first announced the auction they would probably have made 2x as much (if not more) by just selling them directly for immediate shipping, this Tradehill auction is just silly.
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October 15, 2013, 10:58:24 AM |
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With the auction ending at 12PM EST, here are the current bids:  |
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Its got to the point where it is costing him more to store them than it costs to send them around the world which is more than they're worth in purchase price to us. How sad  So what happened previously with this YIFU guy? He held back all the chip shipments until they were worthless and then didn't refund the buyers money or offer a discount on Gen II chips? Meanwhile, Avalon developers were stuck with bare PCB's? |
"That which you call your soul or spirit is your consciousness, and that which you call 'free will' is your mind's freedom to think or not, the only will you have, your only freedom, the choice that controls all the choices you make and determines your life and your character."
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October 15, 2013, 11:10:29 AM |
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Its got to the point where it is costing him more to store them than it costs to send them around the world which is more than they're worth in purchase price to us. How sad So what happened previously with this YIFU guy? He held back all the chip shipments until they were worthless and then didn't refund the buyers money or offer a discount on Gen II chips? Meanwhile, Avalon developers were stuck with bare PCB's? He offered refunds on ALL chips, including non delayed chips. Buyers took him up on that, leaving avalon developers with bare PCBs. |
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October 15, 2013, 11:12:21 AM |
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Its got to the point where it is costing him more to store them than it costs to send them around the world which is more than they're worth in purchase price to us. How sad So what happened previously with this YIFU guy? He held back all the chip shipments until they were worthless and then didn't refund the buyers money or offer a discount on Gen II chips? Meanwhile, Avalon developers were stuck with bare PCB's? He offered refunds on ALL chips, including non delayed chips. Buyers took him up on that, leaving avalon developers with bare PCBs. That's messed up. Has there been any confirmation that the Gen II chips will be compatible with the original footprint? |
"That which you call your soul or spirit is your consciousness, and that which you call 'free will' is your mind's freedom to think or not, the only will you have, your only freedom, the choice that controls all the choices you make and determines your life and your character."
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October 15, 2013, 11:36:09 AM |
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Has there been any confirmation that the Gen II chips will be compatible with the original footprint?
Which Gen II chips? I don't believe Yifu is able to produce anything worth buying in the 28nm era. Even if he does accomplish that, nobody will preorder anything from him, ever. He maybe alive and well, but business-wise he is dead. |
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October 15, 2013, 11:54:44 AM |
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if they are coming from China then who knows how long the will take...you need to factor that into the equation too...they are very noisy as well
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October 15, 2013, 12:14:15 PM |
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Has there been any confirmation that the Gen II chips will be compatible with the original footprint?
Which Gen II chips? I don't believe Yifu is able to produce anything worth buying in the 28nm era. Even if he does accomplish that, nobody will preorder anything from him, ever. He maybe alive and well, but business-wise he is dead. Here is the spec for the A3255 chip: https://github.com/BitSyncom/avalon-ref/blob/master/SPEC/A3255Q48-130929-V03-EN.pdf |
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October 15, 2013, 12:24:39 PM |
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Has there been any confirmation that the Gen II chips will be compatible with the original footprint?
Which Gen II chips? I don't believe Yifu is able to produce anything worth buying in the 28nm era. Even if he does accomplish that, nobody will preorder anything from him, ever. He maybe alive and well, but business-wise he is dead. Here is the spec for the A3255 chip: https://github.com/BitSyncom/avalon-ref/blob/master/SPEC/A3255Q48-130929-V03-EN.pdfWow, spec published two weeks ago, announcing the chip with 2.05Ws/GHash power consumption. That is an electricity waster, burning 3x more electricity than the current generation of chips. Now they only have to tape-out and manufacture it while the difficulty skyrockets. Good luck to them finding the suckers to buy these things. |
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October 15, 2013, 12:35:20 PM |
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The only place left for Avalon gen 2 is if they sell it at such a bargain that 1-2 month positive ROI is pretty much guaranteed no matter what happens to diff, or just sell them dirt cheap to people who got screwed by their delays as compensation.
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October 15, 2013, 12:48:08 PM |
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The only place left for Avalon gen 2 is if they sell it at such a bargain that 1-2 month positive ROI is pretty much guaranteed no matter what happens to diff, or just sell them dirt cheap to people who got screwed by their delays as compensation.
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October 15, 2013, 01:08:48 PM |
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anyone managed to find out if they come with a psu or not yet?
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October 15, 2013, 01:15:15 PM |
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Does anyone even has seen a proof of the existing units ?
Are there any proofs at all ?
What about the "stuck in customs" things ?
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October 15, 2013, 01:22:04 PM |
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anyone managed to find out if they come with a psu or not yet?
I'm betting on no PSU. |
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Its got to the point where it is costing him more to store them than it costs to send them around the world which is more than they're worth in purchase price to us. How sad So what happened previously with this YIFU guy? He held back all the chip shipments until they were worthless and then didn't refund the buyers money or offer a discount on Gen II chips? Meanwhile, Avalon developers were stuck with bare PCB's? Something like that. Claimed they were confiscated in customs, didn't refund, didn't ship, caused terrahash to go out of business caused millions in loses |
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October 15, 2013, 03:20:27 PM |
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Claimed they were confiscated in customs,
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Blazed
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October 15, 2013, 03:31:11 PM |
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He must be all done mining with them... time to sell!
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rograz
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October 15, 2013, 03:35:38 PM |
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He must be all done mining with them... time to sell!
Probably why there was no rush to sell them indeed, any delay and they just mine some more BTC anyway ;P |
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October 15, 2013, 03:39:32 PM |
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Claimed they were confiscated in customs,
Source? YiFuck himself stated that. Go check his posting history, cba to search through his garbage myself. |
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October 15, 2013, 03:56:16 PM |
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Claimed they were confiscated in customs,
Source? Professor, I sense you are having difficulty coming to grips with the reality that that man is an unprincipled slug who deserves no further business, nor even any further recognition as a contributing member of the bitcoin community. After all, it's not like the case of BFL, where one can at least argue that there are no innocent victims, and that the customers were greedy followers of an illusion of free money and learned the lesson of that. The failure on the part of Avalon destroyed many in the open source community who expended time and treasure in the belief that the chips would be delivered. For example, the Klonkike developer, BKKcoins, has completely disappeared. While one might hope that he got a great job out of the effort and left bitcoin behind, I fear that that is not the true outcome. |
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