YIFU IS AUCTIONNING?

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Just got this from Tradehill:

Due to raising difficulty, BitSyncom has decided to lower the minimum bid price of its 2 module 60 GH/s unit from 9 BTC to a more competitive 6 BTC. The 2 module unit auction will also be extended to Tuesday, October 15th, 12PM (noon) EST. BitSyncom would like to reassure its customers this unit is currently in stock and is ready for immediate shipment upon the close of the auction.
 
BitSyncom has also made the decision to suspend the auction of its 4 module 90 GH/s unit, at this time.

Looks like Avalon is now selling the 4 module units directly on their website for 15BTC and they lowered the price of the upgrade modules to 3.8BTC. It showed only 2 in stock earlier today but now just says "in stock". The only way these would be worth the BTC is if you bought a new PSU and overclocked them which would still be cutting it close IMO. I have no idea where Yifu got the minimum bids for those initial auctions but at least 6BTC for 60GHASH is more realistic. Guess he had to see how many suckers were out there first OOPS...

They have extended the "auction" twice now and the prices were so high nobody would buy.  Maybe they never had the units ready in the first place?

This is EXACTLY why i will not be bidding on these. They'll keep "extending" the auction indefinitely to get the price they want for these.

They shouldn't be auctioning these, just sell the damn things and ship immediately. Everyone knows that the rigs lose potential value daily.

[edgar]

even with the modules at 3.80 it is still cheaper to buy a minirig!!

and they still wont make a return!!

this guy must have lost his marbles!

these modules should be sent out to anyone who has a 3 module rig as a weak apology before they become WORTHLESS!

i tried to leave comments explaining as such on the store but my comments dont seem to have been approved yet...

[Bicknellski]

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Oh my god! The pain!
LOL!

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[driksson]

now avalon mini 60gh oc'd is 6btc on tradehill. 4 bidders and 496 units left.. auction end next tuesday.. useless again. to long auctions.

[joeventura]

now avalon mini 60gh oc'd is 6btc on tradehill. 4 bidders and 496 units left.. auction end next tuesday.. useless again. to long auctions.

[rocks]

We all knew Avalon's ASIC chip design & fab process technology would be poor compared to current state of the art, but people (including me) were interested in their chips due to the time to market advantage.

What was not understood was just how poor and low performing Avalon's design was compared to Gen2 ASICs from other strong design teams. KnC, Cointerra and other groups are now coming out with designs that render anything Avalon is offering completely obsolete, even Avalon's gen2 is behind by a wide margin.

I think Avalon might be out of the game soon, it makes little sense to buy an Avalon based system at any price due to their higher Watts/GH requirements. Avalon self mining with their own gen2 might not be very profitable either. If that is the case where does that leave them? Sure they made a ton of money in the past year, but did they blew the money on a Gen2 design that they can not recoup?

[Its About Sharing]

Too many people lost too much money. What is the word on a class action lawsuit?
There must be a few in the works.

IAS

[PuertoLibre]

We all knew Avalon's ASIC chip design & fab process technology would be poor compared to current state of the art, but people (including me) were interested in their chips due to the time to market advantage.

What was not understood was just how poor and low performing Avalon's design was compared to Gen2 ASICs from other strong design teams. KnC, Cointerra and other groups are now coming out with designs that render anything Avalon is offering completely obsolete, even Avalon's gen2 is behind by a wide margin.

I think Avalon might be out of the game soon, it makes little sense to buy an Avalon based system at any price due to their higher Watts/GH requirements. Avalon self mining with their own gen2 might not be very profitable either. If that is the case where does that leave them? Sure they made a ton of money in the past year, but did they blew the money on a Gen2 design that they can not recoup?

I actually agree with this statement with one major caveat.

Avalon catched up to BFL (performance per watt wise) in gen 2. So if you make the argument that Avalons second generation is now obsolete....then the case is also made for BFL hardware.

Good thing Yifu is already working on gen 3 and 4 in parallel.

Question what is the $$$ to GH/s ratio for Avalon in gen 2? How does it compare to BFL hardware or current 28nm designs?

[YipYip]

We all knew Avalon's ASIC chip design & fab process technology would be poor compared to current state of the art, but people (including me) were interested in their chips due to the time to market advantage.

What was not understood was just how poor and low performing Avalon's design was compared to Gen2 ASICs from other strong design teams. KnC, Cointerra and other groups are now coming out with designs that render anything Avalon is offering completely obsolete, even Avalon's gen2 is behind by a wide margin.

I think Avalon might be out of the game soon, it makes little sense to buy an Avalon based system at any price due to their higher Watts/GH requirements. Avalon self mining with their own gen2 might not be very profitable either. If that is the case where does that leave them? Sure they made a ton of money in the past year, but did they blew the money on a Gen2 design that they can not recoup?

I actually agree with this statement with one major caveat.

Avalon catched up to BFL (performance per watt wise) in gen 2. So if you make the argument that Avalons second generation is now obsolete....then the case is also made for BFL hardware.

Good thing Yifu is already working on gen 3 and 4 in parallel.

Question what is the $$$ to GH/s ratio for Avalon in gen 2? How does it compare to BFL hardware or current 28nm designs?

He has beyond the pale burnt his bridges ...nobody will trust him with anything

He better hope that what he produces is a the friken solution to the fusion reactor of an ASIC chip.... as the guy is a scammer and a dog and is not welcome

To be honest If i had 1 spare life jacket and both Yifu & Josh where drowning ...I would give it to Josh ..lolz

[Minor Miner]

Why the eff would I bid on something that is probably made from boards from batch II that should have been shipped to batch II customers instead of mined with for their personal gain?

[Unacceptable]

We all knew Avalon's ASIC chip design & fab process technology would be poor compared to current state of the art, but people (including me) were interested in their chips due to the time to market advantage.

What was not understood was just how poor and low performing Avalon's design was compared to Gen2 ASICs from other strong design teams. KnC, Cointerra and other groups are now coming out with designs that render anything Avalon is offering completely obsolete, even Avalon's gen2 is behind by a wide margin.

I think Avalon might be out of the game soon, it makes little sense to buy an Avalon based system at any price due to their higher Watts/GH requirements. Avalon self mining with their own gen2 might not be very profitable either. If that is the case where does that leave them? Sure they made a ton of money in the past year, but did they blew the money on a Gen2 design that they can not recoup?

I actually agree with this statement with one major caveat.

Avalon catched up to BFL (performance per watt wise) in gen 2. So if you make the argument that Avalons second generation is now obsolete....then the case is also made for BFL hardware.

Good thing Yifu is already working on gen 3 and 4 in parallel.

Question what is the $$$ to GH/s ratio for Avalon in gen 2? How does it compare to BFL hardware or current 28nm designs?

BFL hardware WILL BE obsolete in a matter of weeks,my 30GH'er consumes 130+ watts & earns .08BTC perday= 4.3 watts per GH   

Some new ASIC's consume(theoretically) .5 watt per GH,no way for 110nm, 65nm or 55 nm to compete with 28nm tech.You HAVE to go with the lower watt per GH solution for longevity,unless you have free power 

I think Avalon hurt more folks than BFL with thier delay in chips,no communication & his trust factor was ALOT higher than BFL.....ALOT more.At least BFL IS shipping,albeit VERY slowly(no better than Avalon,basically).

Plus all Y I FU had to do was order chips,recieve chips & pack & ship chips,how the fuck do you fuck up something SOO easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Littleshop]

BFL hardware WILL BE obsolete in a matter of weeks,my 30GH'er consumes 130+ watts & earns .08BTC perday= 4.3 watts per GH   

Maybe 16 weeks at a 90% per month difficulty increase with no slowdown.  But looks like that is starting to level out giving more time of profitability. 

[Unacceptable]

BFL hardware WILL BE obsolete in a matter of weeks,my 30GH'er consumes 130+ watts & earns .08BTC perday= 4.3 watts per GH   

Maybe 16 weeks at a 90% per month difficulty increase with no slowdown.  But looks like that is starting to level out giving more time of profitability. 

Yeah,any amount is profit right Sorry,but NO,to me its already a loss,due to diff rise,after only 2 months.It will only work with 90GH of Drillbit & Avalon 30GH of 5GH'ers I got coming 

[DPoS]

BFL hardware WILL BE obsolete in a matter of weeks,my 30GH'er consumes 130+ watts & earns .08BTC perday= 4.3 watts per GH   

Maybe 16 weeks at a 90% per month difficulty increase with no slowdown.  But looks like that is starting to level out giving more time of profitability. 

Yeah,any amount is profit right Sorry,but NO,to me its already a loss,due to diff rise,after only 2 months.It will only work with 90GH of Drillbit & Avalon 30GH of 5GH'ers I got coming 

I guess it is time to shutdown my ModMiner        I saw that it jumped my PC psu 40 watts when running at its ~800Mh !!

but it looks so cool inside my pc case

[Unacceptable]

BFL hardware WILL BE obsolete in a matter of weeks,my 30GH'er consumes 130+ watts & earns .08BTC perday= 4.3 watts per GH    

Maybe 16 weeks at a 90% per month difficulty increase with no slowdown.  But looks like that is starting to level out giving more time of profitability.  

Yeah,any amount is profit right Sorry,but NO,to me its already a loss,due to diff rise,after only 2 months.It will only work with 90GH of Drillbit & Avalon 30GH of 5GH'ers I got coming  

I guess it is time to shutdown my ModMiner       I saw that it jumped my PC psu 40 watts when running at its ~800Mh !!

but it looks so cool inside my pc case

Maybe,I just sold 3 BFL FPGA's    Hated too but the power consumption is too much vs hashrate....even sold my 8 BE's  

While I could still get some cash out of em 

[DPoS]

Maybe,I just sold 3 BFL FPGA's    Hated too but the power consumption is too much vs hashrate....even sold my 8 BE's  

While I could still get some cash out of em  

sad times, but new era is here

I might sell 7 of my Bees that are on crappy hubs... leave the 9 Bees on a nice 10 port with fan... shutdown the old ModMiner

makes it easier since my two jupiters are hashing over 500 Gh each  

[lajz99]

They dropped the min bid on Minis to 2BTC

Now who's interested?

[bobsag3]

They dropped the min bid on Minis to 2BTC

Now who's interested?

I would be interested if tradehill wasnt involved, but screw waiting a week for bids