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October 30, 2013, 05:05:29 PM
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How will the discount be decided for the party that spend Bitcoin to receive items after Beta?
In the long run, the discount/fee will be adjusted based on demand of either side such that there will be consistently be spend orders available, but they are quickly purchased. It'll stay at 4% for some time until we figure out where that sweet spot is.


Because merchants benefits form near zero transaction costs of bitcoin and zero fraud risk, the reputable and competitive merchant must reduce the price (about 5%) on items paid in bitcoin. Given the hassle and cost of acquiring bitcoins, zero premium is still an uneconomic choice for the consumer. This lack of economic benefit is the sole barrier preventing bitcoin from becoming the glorious currency it should be. We aim to keep the fee low enough so that it's always cheaper for Spenders to replaced spent coins from exchanges in order to create a deep market for Buyers.
 

By fee do you mean the discount the Spenders get off retail cost of item?  When you say Merchant must reduce price on items paid in bitcoin, since the actual Amazon Merchants will be receiving cash from the Buyer, do you mean the discount will come from the amount of Bitcoin the Buyer receives?

Yes, I meant to say discount there. And Yes, the purchase is essentially subsidized by the buyer.

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November 09, 2013, 07:30:43 AM
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It's coming along nicely.
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November 19, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
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Check out the FAQ section I've been compiling. Anything you guys wanna add in there? http://beta.getbspendb.com/faq/

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November 22, 2013, 02:20:51 PM
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Just created a reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r7o7u/dear_reddit_for_the_last_6_months_weve_been/

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December 16, 2013, 03:46:27 AM
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We've changed our name to purse.io (from getbspendb). There are currently over $1k in available orders.

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December 22, 2013, 09:03:21 AM
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As an update, we've recently had several successful transactions, but currently, there are no available spend orders. Many customers have been requesting for orders, so expect your order to be purchased very quickly.

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January 01, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
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This is really cool man.
Is there a list of wishlists on the site or do I have to search for specific price points?

I've been a Bitcoiner since 2010, and currently working on TheStandard.io, a next-generation stablecoin, and lending protocol.
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January 04, 2014, 04:50:50 AM
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This is really cool man.
Is there a list of wishlists on the site or do I have to search for specific price points?


The user base is currently relatively small, so new spend orders are often taken up by buyers very fast, resulting in an empty orderbook.

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January 08, 2014, 08:49:59 AM
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A 2.5 min walk through of how to place orders.

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January 10, 2014, 02:15:52 AM
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mrkent, I think purse.io is a great idea. I would like to use it sometimes, is it possible to buy for spenders in China Amazon? The problem for buyers is the bitcoin price volatility. Until the the spender has not confirmed the package the buyer will not get the bitcoins, assuming gain/losses due to that fluctuation. Is this right? Thanks!
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January 10, 2014, 02:19:18 AM
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mrkent, I think purse.io is a great idea. I would like to use it sometimes, is it possible to buy for spenders in China Amazon? The problem for buyers is the bitcoin price volatility. Until the the spender has not confirmed the package the buyer will not get the bitcoins, assuming gain/losses due to that fluctuation. Is this right? Thanks!

China Amazon isn't currently supported but we do plan to in the future. Do you have a spender in China you're thinking of?

The BTC price rate is set in stone at the time of purchase, not when spender confirms the package.

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January 10, 2014, 05:45:24 AM
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I am still not clear because in the explanation video I could see "Notice a part of the balance is now reserved as "Outgoing". This number will move with the BTC exchange rate, so be sure to have some extra in our account to accommodate volatility"



So my question before was due to a misunderstanding. It is not the buyer who assume the BTC/usd changes but the spender. Is this correct? Sorry for the questions but I am still a little confused. Perhaps is simpler than I see it. Is the spender assuming this volatility all the way until he/she receive the packet and mark it as received? I guess no but, why that indication in the video?

But the buyer will always consider volatility otherwise: The "buyer then purchases the products in the wishlist" with fiat at the price set at the moment the spender made the purchase (as you said, that is fixed). I am guessing buyer will only do so when there is an appreciation in the BTC price and this will result in many spenders purchase not being realized, would this be a possible outcome?

Could you also explain on the tax part of the price. Isn't it that already included in Amazon selling price? Sorry again because perhaps I do not know how it works. When I buy in amazon the price I pay is the one offered in the website. In the Amazon website for your example is 26.99 usd and the price after discount is 27.27 usd. Again, sorry because I may not be seeing something and that is way I came to this conclusion.

I would be spender myself but this could really spread fast here. I see great growth for your start up here in China where bitcoin is not accepted as a currency so purchases in btc are not allowed (other problem is that it seems BTC are more seen as long/short term investments rather than as currency). This is a good way to go over it! Problem still will be blocking the site by the government as it happens with many sites as youtube and I am seeing also many btc related places being blocked. I use vpn but many people do not have.

In China on-line shopping is incredible popular. Even to buy the daily shopping people use the Internet. You can buy anything and the good thing is that the delivery takes very short time. Some pages even deliver the same day! Do you think there are ways to do the same with other on-line stores that do not have wishlist? Would it be possible to "put" BTC in the middle of purchasing transactions to reduce the price? Merchants are limited for BTC adoption due to regulation but if there would be a way for them to access it via ideas similar to purse.io then this will be a great push to BTC economy.
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January 10, 2014, 06:12:52 AM
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I am still not clear because in the explanation video I could see "Notice a part of the balance is now reserved as "Outgoing". This number will move with the BTC exchange rate, so be sure to have some extra in our account to accommodate volatility"



So my question before was due to a misunderstanding. It is not the buyer who assume the BTC/usd changes but the spender. Is this correct? Sorry for the questions but I am still a little confused. Perhaps is simpler than I see it. Is the spender assuming this volatility all the way until he/she receive the packet and mark it as received? I guess no but, why that indication in the video?

But the buyer will always consider volatility otherwise: The "buyer then purchases the products in the wishlist" with fiat at the price set at the moment the spender made the purchase (as you said, that is fixed). I am guessing buyer will only do so when there is an appreciation in the BTC price and this will result in many spenders purchase not being realized, would this be a possible outcome?
I wasn't clear before. There would be key points in time:
1. Spender places the order and the is asked to deposit BTC (ideally, a bit more than quoted price to accommodate fluctuations)
2. Buyer accepts the order and buys it from Amazon. At this point, the rate/amount is locked at exactly what the outgoing quantity shows.
3. Spender confirms shipment and the BTC moves from Spender to Buyer.
So, spender assumes exchange risk before the buyer buys the item, and buyer receives BTC at the rate he agreed to in step 2, won't have access to it until step 3 (usually 2 days later). It's similar to coinbase in that sense for the btc buyer, except he'd get it faster.

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Could you also explain on the tax part of the price. Isn't it that already included in Amazon selling price? Sorry again because perhaps I do not know how it works. When I buy in amazon the price I pay is the one offered in the website. In the Amazon website for your example is 26.99 usd and the price after discount is 27.27 usd. Again, sorry because I may not be seeing something and that is way I came to this conclusion.
Amazon charges tax for certain states, listed here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512

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I would be spender myself but this could really spread fast here. I see great growth for your start up here in China where bitcoin is not accepted as a currency so purchases in btc are not allowed (other problem is that it seems BTC are more seen as long/short term investments rather than as currency). This is a good way to go over it! Problem still will be blocking the site by the government as it happens with many sites as youtube and I am seeing also many btc related places being blocked. I use vpn but many people do not have.
Yes I agree with everything, although we'd be flattered if China actually blocks Purse.IO. I spoke with several Chinese folks recently to ask about taobao, but apparently taobao doesn't have a wishlist. They said Amazon is #2 in China, so it'll definitely be a market to expand to soon. However, we're working on a few features that will make the service more attractive along with an affiliate program before expanding internationally.

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In China on-line shopping is incredible popular. Even to buy the daily shopping people use the Internet. You can buy anything and the good thing is that the delivery takes very short time. Some pages even deliver the same day! Do you think there are ways to do the same with other on-line stores that do not have wishlist? Would it be possible to "put" BTC in the middle of purchasing transactions to reduce the price? Merchants are limited for BTC adoption due to regulation but if there would be a way for them to access it via ideas similar to purse.io then this will be a great push to BTC economy.
There are plans to add other stores, but it will come later. I'm unfamiliar with the Chinese e-commerce, so if you know any good sites with Amazon-like wishlists, let me know and we'll try to add it. If you'd send me an email at kent@purse.io, I'll make sure to contact you when localizing the service for the Chinese market.

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January 18, 2014, 01:44:19 AM
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No HTTPS/SSL during registration, really?!?!?!?! I see that sign-up info is passed in the clear with no security....

Also, I see that the 'activation' link is passed without HTTPS and your link in that email https://purse.io is dead/non-functioning

I like the site and the idea, but you need to address basic, VERY BASIC security.

If the sign up process is this fundamentally flawed then I can only imagine how flawed your security of consumer data & bitcoins is/are......

Looking forward to your response & insight into how you(r)/company addresses security and not just ignoring this question.
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January 21, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
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No HTTPS/SSL during registration, really?!?!?!?! I see that sign-up info is passed in the clear with no security....

Also, I see that the 'activation' link is passed without HTTPS and your link in that email https://purse.io is dead/non-functioning

I like the site and the idea, but you need to address basic, VERY BASIC security.

If the sign up process is this fundamentally flawed then I can only imagine how flawed your security of consumer data & bitcoins is/are......

Looking forward to your response & insight into how you(r)/company addresses security and not just ignoring this question.

We have just received the SSL certificate from Comodo and currently modifying the code/config to work with it. SSL was somewhat neglected due to name change (from getbspendb) and a email forwarding issue. All traffic will go through SSL soon enough.

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January 21, 2014, 09:13:46 PM
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No HTTPS/SSL during registration, really?!?!?!?! I see that sign-up info is passed in the clear with no security....

Also, I see that the 'activation' link is passed without HTTPS and your link in that email https://purse.io is dead/non-functioning

I like the site and the idea, but you need to address basic, VERY BASIC security.

If the sign up process is this fundamentally flawed then I can only imagine how flawed your security of consumer data & bitcoins is/are......

Looking forward to your response & insight into how you(r)/company addresses security and not just ignoring this question.

We have just received the SSL certificate from Comodo and currently modifying the code/config to work with it. SSL was somewhat neglected due to name change (from getbspendb) and a email forwarding issue. All traffic will go through SSL soon enough.

SSL has been added. Purse.IO can now be securely accessed at https://purse.io. If it is still taking you to the http site, it may mean a browser cache removal is needed.

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March 10, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
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Update: We introduced a huge new update featuring "name your own price" orders for bitcoin spenders as well as support for international Amazon marketplaces.

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April 11, 2014, 12:38:02 PM
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site Looks very interesting. Just registered and will give it a try. Hopefully there are more buy orders soon
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April 11, 2014, 03:43:17 PM
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site Looks very interesting. Just registered and will give it a try. Hopefully there are more buy orders soon

If you have any questions, let me know.

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April 15, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
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site Looks very interesting. Just registered and will give it a try. Hopefully there are more buy orders soon

If you have any questions, let me know.

I feel you definitely should limit the discount. I see some people giving BTC a value at over $900. Maybe allow some fluctuation/discount but that is insane.
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