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[Kuikens]

If you paid through bank transfer or with bitcoin that would have been the way out.
With CC ist's easier and faster to file a chargeback.
If that doesn't work you can still resort to claiming, but I don't think you will be able to collect your winning claim ticket...

You're doing it the wrong way, why leave decision up to cc and anyone else? get a judgement and enforce it.

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[penner42]

You're doing it the wrong way, why leave decision up to cc and anyone else? get a judgement and enforce it.

Enforcing a judgement is a probably lot harder than going the credit card route. It's really easy to prove to the credit card company that Alpha broke their terms. The simple fact that they asked for final payment in May, and 8-10 weeks after that is July 31, and they still haven't shipped, is enough. They can dispute all they want, but your credit card company can look at the documents. It took me two emails and two phone calls, and about two months of waiting before it was final. Dead simple with Chase.

My post about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314402.msg9647662#msg9647662

[jrose120]

A judgment is worthless if they go bankrupt, which they will before the pay out a dime in claims if they can help it. Your only sure route is to keep pressing your credit card processor. If you used PayPal to pay by credit card you should have two options. One to dispute directly with your original credit card, or to dispute it with PayPal. If you start a claim directly with your credit card PayPal will not be very cooperative should you call and ask for help. Go the PayPal route first, try a few times, if you still can't get your money back start calling the issuer of the credit card to open a dispute with them.

Bank Wires and BitCoin payments are not protected the same way. Wire transfers can be reversed 30-60 days after transfer, assuming the funds are still in the receiver's account. Fat chance of that, and BTC payments are pretty much SOL.

If you paid by credit card and or PayPal and haven't started your dispute you are risking losing due to the amount of time that has passed. Get on it now, like yesterday, the rest of you that can't go the CC or PP route will have to take your chance with getting your judgment against them enforced. You'll win the case, after Alpha-T's excuses prove to be BS. Now getting that judgment turned into your money is the tough part.  If they go bankrupt they won't have to pay a dime to any one who has a judgement against them. If out right fraud can be proven then they may be fined or put on probation, it would be shocking to me if they ever saw the inside of jail cell. But one can always hope!

[FreeJack2k2]

There are some of us who were substantially damaged by Alpha-T's refusal to fully refund our money, talking about pursuing a winding up petition with a UK law firm and possibly seeking the involvement of anyone who is willing to pay a portion of the legal fees to be part of it. It's just in the discussion stage right now, but that action would either force Alpha-T to pay its debts or have their company "wound up" and all assets liquidated (including the chips, etc...) to repay its debts. Now, whether or not there are substantial assets remaining to be liquidated, is the question. These guys ARE accountants, after all...but I know several of us are keen to pursue this avenue. As I understand it, Alpha-T currently has at least three judgments that have been entered against them, none of which have been satisfied...so it's pretty clear they intend to simply damage their credit (which they don't need anyway) by not paying these judgments off, but continue doing business. This is something we cannot allow.

[brian_23452]

There are some of us who were substantially damaged by Alpha-T's refusal to fully refund our money, talking about pursuing a winding up petition with a UK law firm and possibly seeking the involvement of anyone who is willing to pay a portion of the legal fees to be part of it. It's just in the discussion stage right now, but that action would either force Alpha-T to pay its debts or have their company "wound up" and all assets liquidated (including the chips, etc...) to repay its debts. Now, whether or not there are substantial assets remaining to be liquidated, is the question. These guys ARE accountants, after all...but I know several of us are keen to pursue this avenue. As I understand it, Alpha-T currently has at least three judgments that have been entered against them, none of which have been satisfied...so it's pretty clear they intend to simply damage their credit (which they don't need anyway) by not paying these judgments off, but continue doing business. This is something we cannot allow.

You are throwing away your money hiring attorneys.  Look, I know you aren't too keen on taking advice or you wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, but the time to talk to attorneys was 6-8 months ago.  Any money you throw at an attorney is just going to be additional money you lose on this.  There is 0% chance there is any money available to satisfy judgements left in a touchable, corporate account. 

[FreeJack2k2]

You are throwing away your money hiring attorneys.  Look, I know you aren't too keen on taking advice or you wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, but the time to talk to attorneys was 6-8 months ago.  Any money you throw at an attorney is just going to be additional money you lose on this.  There is 0% chance there is any money available to satisfy judgements left in a touchable, corporate account. 

I don't see the law in quite the same way you do, apparently. Stick to offering bad advice in other threads, rather than gloating about how much foresight you had in this thread. If all we manage to do is get them shut down completely and destroy their ability to ever do business in this industry again, I'm happy to pursue that.

[fightalpha]

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[brian_23452]

You are throwing away your money hiring attorneys.  Look, I know you aren't too keen on taking advice or you wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, but the time to talk to attorneys was 6-8 months ago.  Any money you throw at an attorney is just going to be additional money you lose on this.  There is 0% chance there is any money available to satisfy judgements left in a touchable, corporate account. 

I don't see the law in quite the same way you do, apparently. Stick to offering bad advice in other threads, rather than gloating about how much foresight you had in this thread. If all we manage to do is get them shut down completely and destroy their ability to ever do business in this industry again, I'm happy to pursue that.

Accepting the reality that your money is gone is not bad advice.  Bad advice is suggesting to people that they spend large sums of money to sue a company that clearly has no money to pay judgements.  I suppose though anyone stupid enough to pay thousands of dollars to a stranger with no product to sell would be stupid enough to do just about anything.  A fool and his money....

[s1gs3gv]

I suppose though anyone stupid enough to pay thousands of dollars to a stranger with no product to sell would be stupid enough to do just about anything.  A fool and his money....

You are seriously out of place calling people stupid and foolish Brian.

What price justice ? To some, any.

[ghost.rider]

The way we flush out this scum is by ceasing to pussy foot around.


Submit your suspicions about this gang of terrorists and Al-Qaeda operatives hiding the in the UK to

https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia

https://www.sis.gov.uk/contact-us.html

http://www.interpol.int/enเธ%20เธ/Contact-INTERPOL

The Ring Leader one Mohammed-Mubasher-Akram

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20140124193205im_%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Falpha-t.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FMohammed-Mubasher-Akram.jpg&t=546&c=dHRLAvCNHgifSg


Muhammad Akram
Mohammed Jafar Akram

The money handlers.


The Ring Leader known as Mohammed-Mubasher-Akram shall now forever be registered in every country's database wherever he tries to go.

This is how we flush out the filth.

[ghost.rider]

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[Calhil]

Is that the prototype cooling system in the background?

[FreeJack2k2]

Accepting the reality that your money is gone is not bad advice.  Bad advice is suggesting to people that they spend large sums of money to sue a company that clearly has no money to pay judgements.  I suppose though anyone stupid enough to pay thousands of dollars to a stranger with no product to sell would be stupid enough to do just about anything.  A fool and his money....

Yes, actually it IS bad advice. I lost money in BTC-Arbs when it shut down and vanished. Rather than simply throw up our arms and say, "Oh well, guess we were stupid and lost our money," certain people pursued a doxxing that resulted in finding the culprits, who have now been forced to repay the principal investment of everyone involved, or risk being turned over to their local authorities...or deal with a couple of Guidos at their doorstep, depending on who you talk to. They've been paying people back (slowly, but surely) ever since.

These a-holes cannot run from the law and they are not anonymous. What they have done is wrong. They broke their own terms, yet expect to hold their customers to them. They are in breach of contract and they will pay...and if it isn't compensation for what their customers lost, it's whatever we can get out of them until they've got nothing left but the shirts on their backs, with no ability to ever do business or take advantage of people again. People like you are the problem...people who will simply shrug their shoulders and say, "oh well." People like you are the reason NOTHING ever gets fixed...because why bother, right?

Seriously dude, why are you even in this thread at all? To gloat? Do you get off on seeing other people twist in the wind?

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[jrose120]

I say someone goes to their house's and toilet paper the trees and leave flaming dog poop on their doorstep. Can no one track one of these slimy bastards down? Isn't the dad still on the radar and was fully involved in the early stages. Nothing has shipped since he left, nothing has changed, don't see how he can say much about not knowing anything. Complain to the bureau that issues professional licences for accountants in the U.K. and inform them of the totality of the fraud involved. They will have serious trouble keeping their accounting licences if this is done properly.

[vesperwillow]

I say someone goes to their house's and toilet paper the trees and leave flaming dog poop on their doorstep. Can no one track one of these slimy bastards down? Isn't the dad still on the radar and was fully involved in the early stages. Nothing has shipped since he left, nothing has changed, don't see how he can say much about not knowing anything. Complain to the bureau that issues professional licences for accountants in the U.K. and inform them of the totality of the fraud involved. They will have serious trouble keeping their accounting licences if this is done properly.

You could track their houses down fairly easily, they have many paper trails due to business and financial records. The issue is, seems like nobody near them is willing to do anything.

Pay for my trip and housing and I'll go investigate for you guys, haha.

[edgar]

I say someone goes to their house's and toilet paper the trees and leave flaming dog poop on their doorstep. Can no one track one of these slimy bastards down? Isn't the dad still on the radar and was fully involved in the early stages. Nothing has shipped since he left, nothing has changed, don't see how he can say much about not knowing anything. Complain to the bureau that issues professional licences for accountants in the U.K. and inform them of the totality of the fraud involved. They will have serious trouble keeping their accounting licences if this is done properly.

You could track their houses down fairly easily, they have many paper trails due to business and financial records. The issue is, seems like nobody near them is willing to do anything.

Pay for my trip and housing and I'll go investigate for you guys, haha.

i said the same thing but got no interest.

ill be around there in a few weeks so i might have a nose about... not that i really care as i got my refund 11 months ago

like a boss

[FollowMe]

I say someone goes to their house's and toilet paper the trees and leave flaming dog poop on their doorstep. Can no one track one of these slimy bastards down? Isn't the dad still on the radar and was fully involved in the early stages. Nothing has shipped since he left, nothing has changed, don't see how he can say much about not knowing anything. Complain to the bureau that issues professional licences for accountants in the U.K. and inform them of the totality of the fraud involved. They will have serious trouble keeping their accounting licences if this is done properly.

For the beginning you can do this http://www.shitexpress.com/?language=en

[jrose120]

I say someone goes to their house's and toilet paper the trees and leave flaming dog poop on their doorstep. Can no one track one of these slimy bastards down? Isn't the dad still on the radar and was fully involved in the early stages. Nothing has shipped since he left, nothing has changed, don't see how he can say much about not knowing anything. Complain to the bureau that issues professional licences for accountants in the U.K. and inform them of the totality of the fraud involved. They will have serious trouble keeping their accounting licences if this is done properly.

For the beginning you can do this http://www.shitexpress.com/?language=en

That's hilarious, I remember hearing about this a while ago. Forgot all about it though.

[SCGenius]

I think someone is beginning to take pre-orders for 500TeraHash Bitcoin miner machine...