Holdaaja
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Blocking by ip does not make effective. The portal freebitco.in losing users because of this. All ip for a long time occupied with the same ip address can have many users. It is strange that it is still not clear. Maybe freebitco.in should consider registering for another ID. Joseph, I hope you get justice. I do not understand how they could lose your account? It really sounds like a hoax or incompetence of specialists freebitco.in
I don't think that the ban is the problem here. It is about that 34btc he lost playing the multiply game. |
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May 28, 2016, 05:05:37 PM |
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Blocking by ip does not make effective. The portal freebitco.in losing users because of this. All ip for a long time occupied with the same ip address can have many users. It is strange that it is still not clear. Maybe freebitco.in should consider registering for another ID. Joseph, I hope you get justice. I do not understand how they could lose your account? It really sounds like a hoax or incompetence of specialists freebitco.in
I don't think that the ban is the problem here. It is about that 34btc he lost playing the multiply game. On the portal must be stored in the history of the game. What is the evidence that the money is lost? Only words of encouragement? They can provide a screenshot of the history of the game? |
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May 28, 2016, 06:25:34 PM |
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Anyone have a good strategy for multiply bet? Thanks  |
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I was travelling so I did not have access to the bets database server previously. I have gone through the bet history and the following series of bets are where the user seems to have lost his coins: { "_id" : "1681602-141712", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:21", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "656", "nonce" : 141712, "stake" : "4", "server_seed" : "1461082138-qIx9fvyqQCeHt8kp~OvZZ99CwkO2vdUHq4y_4l8pxdv~4dzkByr.FltB87hKNnqv-141711-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141713", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:30", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "6810", "nonce" : 141713, "stake" : "16", "server_seed" : "1461082161-nysRXInYMPPdkhIZSCsZ4zC8fHbORppSAClBL5SJKO_ouh.~pAc1XtbvpjA~3YJn-141712-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141714", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:31", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4537", "nonce" : 141714, "stake" : "64", "server_seed" : "1461082170-dbdZ0ctaML-ccRr3FD9ouvKJcGE0gKGmCT6S4~muzVMc4Uia1eMVgO8qlKtTP5QR-141713-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141715", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:33", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "9648", "nonce" : 141715, "stake" : "256", "server_seed" : "1461082171-EneparGeX39s5za4Gvl0SJK-YXRWdkvmQe3oCcYFIw6dWjZoHDX8gjUSIoaOqaZX-141714-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141716", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:41", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4530", "nonce" : 141716, "stake" : "1024", "server_seed" : "1461082173-60SrvMtgX.hXwsIM1FFCPRM5coniCTTQhezh7CQ-0A93OZ5FwCMRqprkWLV1pNGs-141715-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141717", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:41", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4998", "nonce" : 141717, "stake" : "4096", "server_seed" : "1461082181-119PjnGzg.A.oJLOX75noV4gw2csHmiShzaWvYM~Z9EtlwFZTmDJMmBfOGh6muBF-141716-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141718", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:47", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "2694", "nonce" : 141718, "stake" : "16384", "server_seed" : "1461082181-ENQNE3C11NT2jhUnhS-i.4AvFSs7yfXSzQau4s9NX8mAQrSESjN-Vu4_y3saokiy-141717-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141719", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:56", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "6739", "nonce" : 141719, "stake" : "65536", "server_seed" : "1461082187-VomYq.L-9yVpgudfmhg7s.gEQcFOMqZp.fi5sGSo4H0f5TY4lSWl21cq0-xtTA14-141718-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141720", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:05", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "3434", "nonce" : 141720, "stake" : "262144", "server_seed" : "1461082196-zDyJeZ0N1o7A-dovkxbUM5g83XuRRB_MYIe_R5_unME9Qkx3DeoIkc36EKFxpUOF-141719-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141721", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:12", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "5888", "nonce" : 141721, "stake" : "1048576", "server_seed" : "1461082205-6zqhm~Wav6maPDCbgWnfaEcKIunutXi345C2ic4cyghEWT52LSyG20u-5YmI-0Di-141720-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141722", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:21", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4540", "nonce" : 141722, "stake" : "4194304", "server_seed" : "1461082212-qHA8hYLsVSgsQNT2vt76vOEeJU9UiWOMDNJ..gL5hoWSuncSzl.MvKvVVt8zLDAK-141721-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141723", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:21", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "6453", "nonce" : 141723, "stake" : "16777216", "server_seed" : "1461082221-BNwCDWiEJFalcHx5nubaI~kqEeq.Eo4TyoB_HUSehq-5F_PX-CM5gMLP8yeYp~VR-141722-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141724", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:23", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "2600", "nonce" : 141724, "stake" : "67108864", "server_seed" : "1461082221-wo_xEqI_1Z1mG4x1xLMGiZpQTTiCxQUVmOcFeZ0MPskSWlP9Hzw0JSsw70aTgCIt-141723-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141725", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:26", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "8763", "nonce" : 141725, "stake" : "268435456", "server_seed" : "1461082223-9idN_fCTpTe9cBYuiEf-nVW~WlwjfmOhhMcI2XtobRA3kboUU.ARW9Dgc4RmVUbk-141724-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141726", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:31", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "1989", "nonce" : 141726, "stake" : "1073741824", "server_seed" : "1461082226-aMXKbvcvozKXLDFzkJA6wTCcdhXhu~XNuwdc2t0V1tfq_Y.Hh.tthwg4wrEb1FNc-141725-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141727", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:47", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "7426", "nonce" : 141727, "stake" : "2000000000", "server_seed" : "1461082231-25cG2IMcE.~tu-DattcwccpzDqK1oB5UIXQoy8zB6GApXjBbjxvz8TFKi5xCtuzl-141726-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
The bets are all verifiable using our roll verifier at https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html. This just seems like a case of martingale gone out of control. |
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I was travelling so I did not have access to the bets database server previously. I have gone through the bet history and the following series of bets are where the user seems to have lost his coins: { "_id" : "1681602-141712", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:21", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "656", "nonce" : 141712, "stake" : "4", "server_seed" : "1461082138-qIx9fvyqQCeHt8kp~OvZZ99CwkO2vdUHq4y_4l8pxdv~4dzkByr.FltB87hKNnqv-141711-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141713", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:30", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "6810", "nonce" : 141713, "stake" : "16", "server_seed" : "1461082161-nysRXInYMPPdkhIZSCsZ4zC8fHbORppSAClBL5SJKO_ouh.~pAc1XtbvpjA~3YJn-141712-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141714", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:31", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4537", "nonce" : 141714, "stake" : "64", "server_seed" : "1461082170-dbdZ0ctaML-ccRr3FD9ouvKJcGE0gKGmCT6S4~muzVMc4Uia1eMVgO8qlKtTP5QR-141713-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141715", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:33", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "9648", "nonce" : 141715, "stake" : "256", "server_seed" : "1461082171-EneparGeX39s5za4Gvl0SJK-YXRWdkvmQe3oCcYFIw6dWjZoHDX8gjUSIoaOqaZX-141714-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141716", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:41", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4530", "nonce" : 141716, "stake" : "1024", "server_seed" : "1461082173-60SrvMtgX.hXwsIM1FFCPRM5coniCTTQhezh7CQ-0A93OZ5FwCMRqprkWLV1pNGs-141715-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141717", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:41", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4998", "nonce" : 141717, "stake" : "4096", "server_seed" : "1461082181-119PjnGzg.A.oJLOX75noV4gw2csHmiShzaWvYM~Z9EtlwFZTmDJMmBfOGh6muBF-141716-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141718", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:47", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "2694", "nonce" : 141718, "stake" : "16384", "server_seed" : "1461082181-ENQNE3C11NT2jhUnhS-i.4AvFSs7yfXSzQau4s9NX8mAQrSESjN-Vu4_y3saokiy-141717-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141719", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:09:56", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "6739", "nonce" : 141719, "stake" : "65536", "server_seed" : "1461082187-VomYq.L-9yVpgudfmhg7s.gEQcFOMqZp.fi5sGSo4H0f5TY4lSWl21cq0-xtTA14-141718-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141720", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:05", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "3434", "nonce" : 141720, "stake" : "262144", "server_seed" : "1461082196-zDyJeZ0N1o7A-dovkxbUM5g83XuRRB_MYIe_R5_unME9Qkx3DeoIkc36EKFxpUOF-141719-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141721", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:12", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "5888", "nonce" : 141721, "stake" : "1048576", "server_seed" : "1461082205-6zqhm~Wav6maPDCbgWnfaEcKIunutXi345C2ic4cyghEWT52LSyG20u-5YmI-0Di-141720-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141722", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:21", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "4540", "nonce" : 141722, "stake" : "4194304", "server_seed" : "1461082212-qHA8hYLsVSgsQNT2vt76vOEeJU9UiWOMDNJ..gL5hoWSuncSzl.MvKvVVt8zLDAK-141721-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141723", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:21", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "6453", "nonce" : 141723, "stake" : "16777216", "server_seed" : "1461082221-BNwCDWiEJFalcHx5nubaI~kqEeq.Eo4TyoB_HUSehq-5F_PX-CM5gMLP8yeYp~VR-141722-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141724", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:23", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "2600", "nonce" : 141724, "stake" : "67108864", "server_seed" : "1461082221-wo_xEqI_1Z1mG4x1xLMGiZpQTTiCxQUVmOcFeZ0MPskSWlP9Hzw0JSsw70aTgCIt-141723-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141725", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:26", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "8763", "nonce" : 141725, "stake" : "268435456", "server_seed" : "1461082223-9idN_fCTpTe9cBYuiEf-nVW~WlwjfmOhhMcI2XtobRA3kboUU.ARW9Dgc4RmVUbk-141724-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141726", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:31", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "1989", "nonce" : 141726, "stake" : "1073741824", "server_seed" : "1461082226-aMXKbvcvozKXLDFzkJA6wTCcdhXhu~XNuwdc2t0V1tfq_Y.Hh.tthwg4wrEb1FNc-141725-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "hi", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
{ "_id" : "1681602-141727", "client_seed" : "Lq46K2D1hqYOX5mY", "win" : "0", "date" : "2016-04-19 09:10:47", "jackpot" : "0", "userid" : "1681602", "lucky_number" : "7426", "nonce" : 141727, "stake" : "2000000000", "server_seed" : "1461082231-25cG2IMcE.~tu-DattcwccpzDqK1oB5UIXQoy8zB6GApXjBbjxvz8TFKi5xCtuzl-141726-1681602", "type" : "m", "method" : "lo", "multiplier" : "2.00" }
The bets are all verifiable using our roll verifier at https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html. This just seems like a case of martingale gone out of control. It's remarkable described! Bravo freebitco.in !!! Show the current time block account !! I have proof that all these bets were made after the closure of the account, or it was the fact of breaking! I recorded a video with your screen during games. In the US, a lot of relatives, we turned to a lawyer, gave a video authentication, will be treated with the FBI investigation. See you in court !!! Not saying that you are guilty of it !! Perhaps there was a fact of hacking? But closed the account it is you !!! |
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Perhaps there was a fact of hacking? Not really difficult to "hack" you, because you are using the same login and password(ratier@rambler.ru; BOG23R10A1979BOG) for mail.ru, stoloto.ru, coinbase.com(found $3 there  ), poloniex.com and some others  Currently, anyone can change your freebitco.in password knowing your mail.ru login |
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May 29, 2016, 12:49:01 PM |
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Perhaps there was a fact of hacking? Not really difficult to "hack" you, because you are using the same login and password(ratier@rambler.ru; BOG23R10A1979BOG) for mail.ru, stoloto.ru, coinbase.com(found $3 there ), poloniex.com and some others Lol rekt, Joseph is a idiot |
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Joseph Shtern
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May 29, 2016, 01:41:29 PM |
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Perhaps there was a fact of hacking? Not really difficult to "hack" you, because you are using the same login and password(ratier@rambler.ru; BOG23R10A1979BOG) for mail.ru, stoloto.ru, coinbase.com(found $3 there ), poloniex.com and some others Lol rekt, Joseph is a idiot You know what I mean? It is not good to go to other people's accounts !!! I put it specifically for the support !!! But in an email yesterday I even changed the password. |
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May 29, 2016, 02:59:55 PM |
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Perhaps there was a fact of hacking? Not really difficult to "hack" you, because you are using the same login and password(ratier@rambler.ru; BOG23R10A1979BOG) for mail.ru, stoloto.ru, coinbase.com(found $3 there ), poloniex.com and some others Currently, anyone can change your freebitco.in password knowing your mail.ru login Jesus, he really give us his email and password? And he is using same email and password for every site he log in? It's not wonder he lost money, maybe he gave email and pass before on some other site, and someone else just pick it up and log in in freebitcoin and who knows elsewhere |
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May 30, 2016, 05:26:14 PM |
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 I didn't get paid the amount I was supposed to. There's a zero missing at the end. Is this a bug or a mistake on the admins part? Either way I would appreciate it if you could clear this up. You sir, you are a very dumb person |
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Holdaaja
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May 30, 2016, 05:40:23 PM |
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I didn't get paid the amount I was supposed to. There's a zero missing at the end. Is this a bug or a mistake on the admins part? Either way I would appreciate it if you could clear this up. You sir, you are a very dumb person lol, I hope he was just joking. But if you didn't, it is the same amount, zeros at the end after decimal doesn't make any difference. 1.10 and 1.1 and 1.10000000000000 are all exactly the same. |
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May 30, 2016, 05:49:29 PM |
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You sir, you are a very dumb person
No need to be rude it was a mistake on my part. lol, I hope he was just joking.
But if you didn't, it is the same amount, zeros at the end after decimal doesn't make any difference.
1.10 and 1.1 and 1.10000000000000 are all exactly the same.
Thank you for answering and being nice about it.  |
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Newcoins2020
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May 30, 2016, 07:03:43 PM |
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I've claimed my bonus a few times yesterday, but I can't find how many times a day you can claim? It's also not in the FAQ section?
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wdnj
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May 30, 2016, 09:02:05 PM |
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I've claimed my bonus a few times yesterday, but I can't find how many times a day you can claim? It's also not in the FAQ section?
As the title says, you can claim every hour. |
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Mongmongako
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May 31, 2016, 02:24:18 AM |
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Any proof of lottery pls..
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BTCforJoe
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May 31, 2016, 02:57:51 PM |
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Any proof of lottery pls..
Huh, what kind of proof of lottery are you asking for? This is probably the longest operating Bitcoin faucet that is still paying, and you're implying that the lottery is staged or something? Just go back through the 73 pages of posts, and somewhere, you'll find a post about people hitting the lottery on the site. |
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jaysabi
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June 01, 2016, 07:20:50 PM |
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I'm interested in the odds of winning the top prize. On the face of it, it would seem the odds of rolling a 10,000 would be 1 in 10,000; however due to the way the hash is converted into a five digit number, I suspect this may not actually be the case. But I am not proficient in the math to be able to understand how the hash is converted anyway, so I cannot figure it out myself. (Side note, with the number of rolls this site gets per day, if 1 in 10,000 of them were winning $200, I don't see how the site could generate enough money from ads to stay in business.) So basically, I'm looking for the odds of rolling in each tier when taking into account the conversion from the hash to a 5 digit number. 0001 - 9885, implied odds: 98.85%; actual odds: ? 9886 - 9985, implied odds: 1.00%; actual odds: ? 9986 - 9993, implied odds: 0.08%; actual odds: ? 9994 - 9997, implied odds: 0.04%; actual odds: ? 9998 - 9999, implied odds: 0.02%; actual odds: ? 10000, implied odds: 0.01%; actual odds: ? Are the implied odds and the actual odds the same?From the site: How are rolls calculated?
Two strings are created :
STRING1 = "[NONCE]:[SERVER SEED]:[NONCE]"
STRING2 = "[NONCE]:[CLIENT SEED]:[NONCE]"
For your last roll :
STRING1 = "5250:1464797785-lIL61ZFZyuaDg8Bb1dxq42CbphyIyos2YUL9itCr3WKIdps1P7ns71eWWcuMjJDa-96.95.116.29:5250"
STRING2 = "5250:3EkoE4cLHBBrGCnx:5250"
Then HMAC-SHA512 is used to hash STRING1 with STRING2 as the secret key, giving us a 128 character hex string.
The first 8 characters of the hex string are taken and converted to a decimal.
This decimal is then divided by 429496.7295 and rounded off to the nearest whole number.
This whole number is used as your roll, with the maximum possible value being 10,000.
Emphasis added. I think that converting the string to a decimal, dividing the string by 429496.7295, and rounding to the nearest whole number probably makes the odds that the result is 10,000 far less than 1 in 10,000. Does anyone know? |
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Holdaaja
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June 01, 2016, 10:25:58 PM |
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I'm interested in the odds of winning the top prize. On the face of it, it would seem the odds of rolling a 10,000 would be 1 in 10,000; however due to the way the hash is converted into a five digit number, I suspect this may not actually be the case. But I am not proficient in the math to be able to understand how the hash is converted anyway, so I cannot figure it out myself. (Side note, with the number of rolls this site gets per day, if 1 in 10,000 of them were winning $200, I don't see how the site could generate enough money from ads to stay in business.) So basically, I'm looking for the odds of rolling in each tier when taking into account the conversion from the hash to a 5 digit number. 0001 - 9885, implied odds: 98.85%; actual odds: ? 9886 - 9985, implied odds: 1.00%; actual odds: ? 9986 - 9993, implied odds: 0.08%; actual odds: ? 9994 - 9997, implied odds: 0.04%; actual odds: ? 9998 - 9999, implied odds: 0.02%; actual odds: ? 10000, implied odds: 0.01%; actual odds: ? Are the implied odds and the actual odds the same?From the site: How are rolls calculated?
Two strings are created :
STRING1 = "[NONCE]:[SERVER SEED]:[NONCE]"
STRING2 = "[NONCE]:[CLIENT SEED]:[NONCE]"
For your last roll :
STRING1 = "5250:1464797785-lIL61ZFZyuaDg8Bb1dxq42CbphyIyos2YUL9itCr3WKIdps1P7ns71eWWcuMjJDa-96.95.116.29:5250"
STRING2 = "5250:3EkoE4cLHBBrGCnx:5250"
Then HMAC-SHA512 is used to hash STRING1 with STRING2 as the secret key, giving us a 128 character hex string.
The first 8 characters of the hex string are taken and converted to a decimal.
This decimal is then divided by 429496.7295 and rounded off to the nearest whole number.
This whole number is used as your roll, with the maximum possible value being 10,000.
Emphasis added. I think that converting the string to a decimal, dividing the string by 429496.7295, and rounding to the nearest whole number probably makes the odds that the result is 10,000 far less than 1 in 10,000. Does anyone know? It has been calculated earlier in this thread that the possibility to win biggest price is 1 in 20000 Here is that post quoted for you. Can you calculate how much he get from publicity per roll compared to how much he gives away?
Too many unknowns, do you want to start a similar faucet?  I can tell you probabilities of payouts, and therefore average payout from one roll (without referrals): [0 - 9885]: ~ 1/20000 + 9885/10000 = 0.98855 [9886 - 9985] ~ (9985-9886+1)/10000 = 0.01 (~ once per 100 rolls) [9986 - 9993] ~ (9993-9986+1)/10000 = 0.0008 (~ once per 1250 rolls) [9994 - 9997] ~ (9997-9994+1)/10000 = 0.0004 (~ once per 2500 rolls) [9998 - 9999] ~ (9999-9998+1)/10000 = 0.0002 (~ once per 5000 rolls) [10000] ~ 1/20000 = 0.00005 (~ once per 20 000 rolls) sanity check: 0.98855+0.01+0.0008+0.0004+0.0002+0.00005 = 1 average payout (using values right now): (0.98855*0.00000438)+(0.01*0.00004376)+(0.0008*0.00043764)+(0.0004*0.00437637)+(0.0002*0.04376368)+(0.00005*0.43763676) = 0.00003750 BTC Whoa, that's much bigger than I thought, but math checks out, it seems. |
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wetsuit (OP)
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June 02, 2016, 03:09:08 PM |
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All advertisement spots on the website are now available for users to advertise on and can be accessed by clicking the ADVERTISE tab. In the coming weeks, I shall be working on adding CPM bidding and frequency capping options to the advertisement module.
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jaysabi
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June 03, 2016, 05:03:29 PM |
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I'm interested in the odds of winning the top prize. On the face of it, it would seem the odds of rolling a 10,000 would be 1 in 10,000; however due to the way the hash is converted into a five digit number, I suspect this may not actually be the case. But I am not proficient in the math to be able to understand how the hash is converted anyway, so I cannot figure it out myself. (Side note, with the number of rolls this site gets per day, if 1 in 10,000 of them were winning $200, I don't see how the site could generate enough money from ads to stay in business.) So basically, I'm looking for the odds of rolling in each tier when taking into account the conversion from the hash to a 5 digit number. 0001 - 9885, implied odds: 98.85%; actual odds: ? 9886 - 9985, implied odds: 1.00%; actual odds: ? 9986 - 9993, implied odds: 0.08%; actual odds: ? 9994 - 9997, implied odds: 0.04%; actual odds: ? 9998 - 9999, implied odds: 0.02%; actual odds: ? 10000, implied odds: 0.01%; actual odds: ? Are the implied odds and the actual odds the same?From the site: How are rolls calculated?
Two strings are created :
STRING1 = "[NONCE]:[SERVER SEED]:[NONCE]"
STRING2 = "[NONCE]:[CLIENT SEED]:[NONCE]"
For your last roll :
STRING1 = "5250:1464797785-lIL61ZFZyuaDg8Bb1dxq42CbphyIyos2YUL9itCr3WKIdps1P7ns71eWWcuMjJDa-96.95.116.29:5250"
STRING2 = "5250:3EkoE4cLHBBrGCnx:5250"
Then HMAC-SHA512 is used to hash STRING1 with STRING2 as the secret key, giving us a 128 character hex string.
The first 8 characters of the hex string are taken and converted to a decimal.
This decimal is then divided by 429496.7295 and rounded off to the nearest whole number.
This whole number is used as your roll, with the maximum possible value being 10,000.
Emphasis added. I think that converting the string to a decimal, dividing the string by 429496.7295, and rounding to the nearest whole number probably makes the odds that the result is 10,000 far less than 1 in 10,000. Does anyone know? It has been calculated earlier in this thread that the possibility to win biggest price is 1 in 20000 Here is that post quoted for you. Can you calculate how much he get from publicity per roll compared to how much he gives away?
Too many unknowns, do you want to start a similar faucet? I can tell you probabilities of payouts, and therefore average payout from one roll (without referrals): [0 - 9885]: ~ 1/20000 + 9885/10000 = 0.98855 [9886 - 9985] ~ (9985-9886+1)/10000 = 0.01 (~ once per 100 rolls) [9986 - 9993] ~ (9993-9986+1)/10000 = 0.0008 (~ once per 1250 rolls) [9994 - 9997] ~ (9997-9994+1)/10000 = 0.0004 (~ once per 2500 rolls) [9998 - 9999] ~ (9999-9998+1)/10000 = 0.0002 (~ once per 5000 rolls) [10000] ~ 1/20000 = 0.00005 (~ once per 20 000 rolls) sanity check: 0.98855+0.01+0.0008+0.0004+0.0002+0.00005 = 1 average payout (using values right now): (0.98855*0.00000438)+(0.01*0.00004376)+(0.0008*0.00043764)+(0.0004*0.00437637)+(0.0002*0.04376368)+(0.00005*0.43763676) = 0.00003750 BTC Whoa, that's much bigger than I thought, but math checks out, it seems. That's not the correct way to figure it out, that's why I posted, to find out what the correct odds are. This explanation completely ignores how the number is generated, so cannot be the correct odds for each tier. This would be correct if a number was randomly generated between 0-10000 (except in the case of the last tier, he's wrong on the odds, it's 1:10,000; not 1:20,000). But that's not how the number is generated. It's far more complex than that and the process was detailed in my original post on the matter (and quoted above). |
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