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[Kakmakr]

For the record, Kakmaker, calling you dumbass or imbecile is much different than stating that you're acting like one or portraying yourself as one. I do like the debate, however, so thanks for that.

But your argument is still invalid in the sole fact that (after reading your last reply) you still seem to think that there is an expectation of someone getting paid out $200 every hour. I still don't know where you got this notion from, and I think it's safe to assume that you small into a very small percentile of people that think that someone is winning $200 every hour on the site.

As far as the site being provably fair, I would say that only matters when users are depositing their own money to play on a gambling style system, such as with the multiplier/dice section of the site, which IS provably fair. As far as the lottery goes, you enter it and buy tickets using your EARNED rewards from the faucet, which is zero risk of losing anything but the time the user put into claiming from the FREE faucet. At the end of the day, nobody is forcing anyone to claim from the site. But your argument has holes in it because you're basing it on your perception of the user being forced into making claims from the faucet and being required to play the lottery, which is not the case.

If I didn't think the site was fair OR worth my time, I wouldn't go back to it. Simple as that.

My reaction to your argument is solely based on your passive aggressive tone towards the players of freebitco.in, along with the owner of freebitco.in, in which you make it sound like he is scamming people because he's falsely advertising a claim that YOU have misconstrued and misunderstand (I have never once ever thought or believed that $200 were being paid out every hour lol) and is not providing proof of a provably fair system for the faucet. That's just absurd, and using a similar logic is why I say you look like a dumbass and an imbecile.

Now with this kind of tone, I can work much better. Anger just clouds your judgement. I have introduced a lot of my friends to this faucet a few years ago, and most of them were under the impression that this site were paying up to $200 per hour to some random winner. They have used it for a while, and then realized that they would never WIN more than 300 to 400 Satoshi's per hour. Most of them moved on, calling it a scam. < Their words >

As for people not having to deposit anything to participate, I would have to differ from you. They spend their time and the cost of their electricity, by doing this and some of them deposit their own money to buy Lottery tickets. Browse back in this thread and you will find people mentioning that they bought x amount of tickets and they still won nothing.
< The answer are always the same, "Buying more tickets only improve your chance, it does not guarantee it"  >

The fact is, this site are not regulated, they claim to be provably fair but it's not proven and winners for whatever reason do not report their winnings? It is just logical for some of us to start asking questions.

Most faucet users are from poor countries or they live in 1st world countries, but they not wealthy. We should make sure that these people are not exploited by sites that may not be above board, so questions needs to be asked, even if it makes some people uncomfortable. ^hmmmmmm^

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[BTCforJoe]

For the record, Kakmaker, calling you dumbass or imbecile is much different than stating that you're acting like one or portraying yourself as one. I do like the debate, however, so thanks for that.

But your argument is still invalid in the sole fact that (after reading your last reply) you still seem to think that there is an expectation of someone getting paid out $200 every hour. I still don't know where you got this notion from, and I think it's safe to assume that you small into a very small percentile of people that think that someone is winning $200 every hour on the site.

As far as the site being provably fair, I would say that only matters when users are depositing their own money to play on a gambling style system, such as with the multiplier/dice section of the site, which IS provably fair. As far as the lottery goes, you enter it and buy tickets using your EARNED rewards from the faucet, which is zero risk of losing anything but the time the user put into claiming from the FREE faucet. At the end of the day, nobody is forcing anyone to claim from the site. But your argument has holes in it because you're basing it on your perception of the user being forced into making claims from the faucet and being required to play the lottery, which is not the case.

If I didn't think the site was fair OR worth my time, I wouldn't go back to it. Simple as that.

My reaction to your argument is solely based on your passive aggressive tone towards the players of freebitco.in, along with the owner of freebitco.in, in which you make it sound like he is scamming people because he's falsely advertising a claim that YOU have misconstrued and misunderstand (I have never once ever thought or believed that $200 were being paid out every hour lol) and is not providing proof of a provably fair system for the faucet. That's just absurd, and using a similar logic is why I say you look like a dumbass and an imbecile.

Now with this kind of tone, I can work much better. Anger just clouds your judgement. I have introduced a lot of my friends to this faucet a few years ago, and most of them were under the impression that this site were paying up to $200 per hour to some random winner. They have used it for a while, and then realized that they would never WIN more than 300 to 400 Satoshi's per hour. Most of them moved on, calling it a scam. < Their words >

As for people not having to deposit anything to participate, I would have to differ from you. They spend their time and the cost of their electricity, by doing this and some of them deposit their own money to buy Lottery tickets. Browse back in this thread and you will find people mentioning that they bought x amount of tickets and they still won nothing.
< The answer are always the same, "Buying more tickets only improve your chance, it does not guarantee it"  >

The fact is, this site are not regulated, they claim to be provably fair but it's not proven and winners for whatever reason do not report their winnings? It is just logical for some of us to start asking questions.

Most faucet users are from poor countries or they live in 1st world countries, but they not wealthy. We should make sure that these people are not exploited by sites that may not be above board, so questions needs to be asked, even if it makes some people uncomfortable. ^hmmmmmm^

As much as I can understand your sentiments, it still doesn't justify the initial tone that you took with users of the site. The investment of time and electricity is a decision that the user freely makes based on their desire to fill out a captcha for claiming their 300 or 400 satoshi per hour. No one is forcing them to do so. Additionally, the site doesn't require the user to use the lottery or the multiplier; those are all free choices made by the user themselves.

I never play the lottery anymore (I stopped while I was well ahead after winning the 3rd place in one of them), and I never use the multiplier. I simply make faucet claims here and there, continue to refer users to the site, and reap my benefits from it while fully knowing that the chances of me hitting the $200 claim is minuscule and nearly non-existent.

As for your argument that winners do not report their winnings... It is absurd to think that every user of the site is a member of these forums. I, for one, have only been a part of these forums for a bit over a year, but I have been claiming from freebitco.in since well before the time I joined here.

Like I said before, your arguments are extremely invalid, because you're basing them on a notion that joining this site is a NECESSITY to the user that visits it. At the end of the day, the choice is fully theirs, just as it is for you not to visit the site again. But to continue to make an invalid argument here with such fallacies continues to make you look like you're just digging a bigger hole that was based on your own misunderstanding of how the site operates.

You're definitely entitled to your own opinion, but when you start making allegations and demands that players stop visiting the site, it makes YOU look like your judgment is highly clouded That's just my observation, and I really don't know why I've spent so much time going back and forth with you, especially knowing that our mentality isn't going to change on either side.

So this will be the last time I address you regarding this subject Thanks for the conversation, though; it actually ended up pretty civil here towards the end!

[Kakmakr]

For the record, Kakmaker, calling you dumbass or imbecile is much different than stating that you're acting like one or portraying yourself as one. I do like the debate, however, so thanks for that.

But your argument is still invalid in the sole fact that (after reading your last reply) you still seem to think that there is an expectation of someone getting paid out $200 every hour. I still don't know where you got this notion from, and I think it's safe to assume that you small into a very small percentile of people that think that someone is winning $200 every hour on the site.

As far as the site being provably fair, I would say that only matters when users are depositing their own money to play on a gambling style system, such as with the multiplier/dice section of the site, which IS provably fair. As far as the lottery goes, you enter it and buy tickets using your EARNED rewards from the faucet, which is zero risk of losing anything but the time the user put into claiming from the FREE faucet. At the end of the day, nobody is forcing anyone to claim from the site. But your argument has holes in it because you're basing it on your perception of the user being forced into making claims from the faucet and being required to play the lottery, which is not the case.

If I didn't think the site was fair OR worth my time, I wouldn't go back to it. Simple as that.

My reaction to your argument is solely based on your passive aggressive tone towards the players of freebitco.in, along with the owner of freebitco.in, in which you make it sound like he is scamming people because he's falsely advertising a claim that YOU have misconstrued and misunderstand (I have never once ever thought or believed that $200 were being paid out every hour lol) and is not providing proof of a provably fair system for the faucet. That's just absurd, and using a similar logic is why I say you look like a dumbass and an imbecile.

Now with this kind of tone, I can work much better. Anger just clouds your judgement. I have introduced a lot of my friends to this faucet a few years ago, and most of them were under the impression that this site were paying up to $200 per hour to some random winner. They have used it for a while, and then realized that they would never WIN more than 300 to 400 Satoshi's per hour. Most of them moved on, calling it a scam. < Their words >

As for people not having to deposit anything to participate, I would have to differ from you. They spend their time and the cost of their electricity, by doing this and some of them deposit their own money to buy Lottery tickets. Browse back in this thread and you will find people mentioning that they bought x amount of tickets and they still won nothing.
< The answer are always the same, "Buying more tickets only improve your chance, it does not guarantee it"  >

The fact is, this site are not regulated, they claim to be provably fair but it's not proven and winners for whatever reason do not report their winnings? It is just logical for some of us to start asking questions.

Most faucet users are from poor countries or they live in 1st world countries, but they not wealthy. We should make sure that these people are not exploited by sites that may not be above board, so questions needs to be asked, even if it makes some people uncomfortable. ^hmmmmmm^

As much as I can understand your sentiments, it still doesn't justify the initial tone that you took with users of the site. The investment of time and electricity is a decision that the user freely makes based on their desire to fill out a captcha for claiming their 300 or 400 satoshi per hour. No one is forcing them to do so. Additionally, the site doesn't require the user to use the lottery or the multiplier; those are all free choices made by the user themselves.

I never play the lottery anymore (I stopped while I was well ahead after winning the 3rd place in one of them), and I never use the multiplier. I simply make faucet claims here and there, continue to refer users to the site, and reap my benefits from it while fully knowing that the chances of me hitting the $200 claim is minuscule and nearly non-existent.

As for your argument that winners do not report their winnings... It is absurd to think that every user of the site is a member of these forums. I, for one, have only been a part of these forums for a bit over a year, but I have been claiming from freebitco.in since well before the time I joined here.

Like I said before, your arguments are extremely invalid, because you're basing them on a notion that joining this site is a NECESSITY to the user that visits it. At the end of the day, the choice is fully theirs, just as it is for you not to visit the site again. But to continue to make an invalid argument here with such fallacies continues to make you look like you're just digging a bigger hole that was based on your own misunderstanding of how the site operates.

You're definitely entitled to your own opinion, but when you start making allegations and demands that players stop visiting the site, it makes YOU look like your judgment is highly clouded That's just my observation, and I really don't know why I've spent so much time going back and forth with you, especially knowing that our mentality isn't going to change on either side.

So this will be the last time I address you regarding this subject Thanks for the conversation, though; it actually ended up pretty civil here towards the end!

Just to correct you on the highlighted section. Wetsuit in his own words <See below> sends emails out to Big winners to request them to join this forum and this thread to report their winnings. I have never assumed that all users of this faucet are Bitcointalk forum users. They are actively being requested to join, to report their winnings to the public.

The min. payout was increased because network fees just keep going up and we are spending more than $200 a week just in auto-payout fees. Also, small transactions are bloating up the size of our bitcoin wallet which makes sending payouts very very slow. It takes our wallet over 12 hours to complete the auto-payout run now during which time we receive about a hundred "where is my money you scammers?" emails every week. The affected users will receive auto-payouts every 2 weeks now instead of 1 week so it's not really that much of a difference. Also, you should avoid receiving small payments to your wallet anyways because it just increases the fees you have to pay when you spend those small inputs.


Also the reward points needed to redeem for bonuses has been reduced by 33%!

can you answer a decent question i think your faucet is here long enough for someone to get max payment 10000, there is opened thread with alot of users playing and noone ever heard someone wins it, is it just like its there but it does not exist or is it a real chance to get it?
regards.
-Katerniko1

I send emails to all winners who win big prizes to let others know but most users do not choose to do so. Some have posted about winning in the two threads in this forum so you just need to go through the threads to find them. Also, many users who use freebitco.in are not users of this forum or they post in their regional sub-forums.

I do not usually reply to these questions because the free play game and dice game both are provably fair. If you feel that the website somehow cheats, please let everyone know how.

Wetsuit should sort this uncertainty out soon, because people are starting to ask questions. Just look at his post history, he has to explain this provably fair claims over and over again. ^hmmmmm^

[wetsuit]

The advertising option will be phased out in the coming weeks. People were losing money by investing in pozi's and depositing in fake gambling websites after seeing their ads on freebitco.in and thinking that they were somehow trusted because we were showing their banners.

Simply disallowing these types of websites hasn't helped because now these advertisers are creating a faucet website to get approval and then redirecting to ponzi's and gambling websites after their websites are approved. I do not have the resources to monitor all active ads regularly and so it makes more sense to just disable the advertising option.

Once it is disabled, ads that are active will continue to be shown until they run out. Any future deposits sent to the advertising deposit address will be credited to the main balance after this.

You can still create ads now. I shall start phasing this out within the next 2 weeks.

[s1lverbox]

hey man. I love your site.

Lost shed loads of btc there. But no biggie. I won recently 1.74 BTC   . My question is : are you willing to offer maybe investing in your site like on dice sites?

[jaysabi]

I'm stlll curious if anybody has hit 10000 before? I asked it previously and nobody had claimed that they had. I don't want to go through all the posts to check. Anybody know?

The first person to post a screenshot of their 10,000 win just did today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341659.msg16578536#msg16578536

Those who are still claiming this faucet as scam please stop doing so because I had rolled 10k today on the Freerolls and won 0.3BTC from the site. Read the topic wetsuit posted here - and take a look at my big win.

This site has been paying well since ages and continues to do so even in the era where most faucets run dry.

Thanks for the 200$ on first claim this morning admin!

Wow, that's fantastic. I've never seen anyone claim to have won it. I'm always wondering about the odds of hitting it, because it seems certain that they are not 1/10,001 as you would think. None of the math geniuses who can convert the hash into numerals has ever ventured to help solve the problem, but I digress.

Thanks for posting your win. Now we all know it is possible.

Yes, I find it very strange that I have highlighted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.new#new that NOBODY has ever won the $200 hourly faucet payout, and BANG it just happens within the same week. The timing for that was impeccable to say the least. ^Rofl^

Well, What more can I say now that we have our FIRST supposed $200 hourly winner.  ^fishy smell^

One of these days, we might see our first Lottery winner too, because nobody has ever reported that they have won that. ^LoL^

Congratulations to the winner, your timing was perfect. ^hahahaha^

People have been wondering about the $200 winners  far longer than your post about the $200 winners. There's nothing suspicious about the coincidental timing of your post and the winner. As far as you know, there is one winner, however since a micro-fraction of the site's over one million users actually post about their claims, it's highly unlikely this is the only $200 winner. Assuming that he faked a winner to answer your trolling is placing a lot more importance on yourself than anyone else would venture to grant you.

[Danielofem]

I sincerely appreciate freebitco for standing out thus far over time. They got a good work going but i still have somethings against them. Freebitco is having a cheating bot. This is very evident in their multiply btc section. I will come back to this. Now lets take a consideration of their free roll. I know very well that the site is giving free bitcoins every hour which is too good but does no one actually think there should be a high level of fairness in their bot settings? It seems the bot watches what you roll and then readjusts your outcome to favour the site rather. I think i heard or read somewhere that the highest roll is 10000 or so if am not mistaken.... but is that suppposed to be absolutely possible that no one could roll 3xxxx, 4xxxx, 6xxxx, 9xxxx, etc. Inotherwords cant people keep rolling about six digits numbers which in many cases would even be higher than 10000 and thats gives one the lucky payout of that six digits? Why i say this about the bot manipulating the numbers is that many times i roll and while it tries to end with a six digit numbers, the bot immediately re-roll again to give me a five digit number.... this isnt fair. Getting numbers above 10000 is not supposee to be a difficult task if someone should roll even for just 50 to 100 times. Then what about those who have rolles for over 500 times and have never gotten 10000. Its hard to believe. Please admin, you are already doing a nice job and already being benevolent, please, try as much as possible to ensure that your benevolence is not questionable due to the attitude of your bot concerned with this section.

Coming back to multiply btc section.... the attitude of your bot is questionable. Just as i said berore, you are doing a great job giving out free coins where everyone relies on luck. On multiply btc, i hear some persons say that they got drained totally withing 10minutes or thereabout on a deposite above 10,000,000 while their bet is set at 0.00000001 on auto. Even a deposite of 1000000 cannot on a fair play squander your cash in 20 minutes using same multiply setting. And if this is true, of which i am not doubting, then your bot is cheaping on users to the favour of admin. Beside, admins manipulates and sets the bot's attitude. Hence, admin are cheating on users indirectly... that is so so wrong. Please let fairness be fairness. Its only that users cannot see the other end of the bot else everyone would get to know about the foul play.

Over to my experiences.... though i dont multiply on auto but i multiply on manual.. hence, reason for my doubt of that word "provably fair". That wors is only a deception even though we are getting free bitcoins. No one would ever succeed to convince me that i would ever bet on HI and then roll over 15 times only to be getting LO LO LO LO outcome..... on a bot that rolls fairly? thats never true except if something is involved and yes something is involved..... YOUR BOT IS CHEATING. Now would you imagine that while i keep getting a series of LO outcome when i bet HI for fifteen consecutive times, it would seem the system is just set to give you LO outcomes only to discover that you the moment you just decide to bet LO maybe the sixteenth time, the bot gives you a HI outcome and you still keep losing... what explanation would best suit such a fair outcome.

Besides, what always happen is that the moment you change your bet mayb from HI to LO or LO to HI, while you keep betting on a either HI or LO.... once you change, the roller would roll for over three seconds and above whereas while you were betting and losing, it takes just a second to roll. Is this attitude not also questionable? Why does the roller do that.... does it mean as you change your bet the bot knows you would win and then it starts recalculating the digits so it gives you the opposite of your bet and you keep losing? Once again, there is no better word to describe this acts but cheating.

Finally, i discovered that whenever i bet with a large amount, i may win the first time or lose and probably win same amount the second time expecially when i play alternatively. Remember i said i only play manual. But as you keep trying your luck you begin to lose and lose and lose and lose even when u play alternatively BUT immediately you change your amount to a very very very small amount, you win. What is really happening.... does it mean freebitco and its bots do not support huge amount betting? I just cant believe this because i have never experienced this on another faucet i have played multiply. On freebitco, you keep losing till you account is empty or significantly reduced except if some supernatural powers are on your side. No one needs a supernatural power over what is said to be fair. I keep doubting that word provably fair cause your bot cannot only keep producing losing server seeds when the amount to win or lose is fat. Once again this is a cheat.

Please check the server seeds your bot produces and if the behaviour of your bot has been tampered with, then correct it please. Let it be fair indeed as promised. No one has to go verify rolls.... that is just childs play because it will still show the same result since the server seed is hidden and decided by freebitco via its bots in accordance to its maipulated behaviour. So we dont actually need to verify anything. We just need fairness and your bot stops cheating when it has to do with large amounts.

Once again, i love you freebitco. Thanks for reading.

[wetsuit]

hey man. I love your site.

Lost shed loads of btc there. But no biggie. I won recently 1.74 BTC   . My question is : are you willing to offer maybe investing in your site like on dice sites?

Quite a few people have been asking about this so I have been considering offering an investment option. However, it won't be as straight forward as just investing in the bankroll, I was planning to offer "profit share" tokens that users could buy to share in the profits of the website. Not sure how much interest there would be in such a thing.

[wetsuit]

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Lol, there is no "bot" generating server seeds, they are just random strings. You could also change the client seed for every roll to influence the outcome (even offered as an option in auto-bet). Also, all client seeds are generated via javascript on the client side so we do not know what they are until the roll is played.

Numbers over 10,000 aren't possible because when a 8 character string is converted to decimal, the maximum value is 4294967295 and this is then divided by 429496.7295 so the max value can only be 10,000.

"Provably fair" is not just a word, it's the system that can be checked before and after every roll and there is no way we can generate a number in our favour. I wish more people would take time to read the provably fair tab because I spent a while writing everything in simple terms that everyone could understand, unlike many dice sites I see who claim to be provably fair but offer little to no explanation of the system they use.

[Danielofem]

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Lol, there is no "bot" generating server seeds, they are just random strings. You could also change the client seed for every roll to influence the outcome (even offered as an option in auto-bet). Also, all client seeds are generated via javascript on the client side so we do not know what they are until the roll is played.

Numbers over 10,000 aren't possible because when a 8 character string is converted to decimal, the maximum value is 4294967295 and this is then divided by 429496.7295 so the max value can only be 10,000.

"Provably fair" is not just a word, it's the system that can be checked before and after every roll and there is no way we can generate a number in our favour. I wish more people would take time to read the provably fair tab because I spent a while writing everything in simple terms that everyone could understand, unlike many dice sites I see who claim to be provably fair but offer little to no explanation of the system they use.

Well, you could be right but i find it hard to believe it is fair that one keep losing huge amounts on bets consecutively till your account is drained. Dont you think? That system is not at the favour of users. I still insist it is reviewed.

[Danielofem]

I made a request some time ago usig the contact form. I love the percentage given from referals' claims. Too too too good. Thanks once again. But i needed to asked that a new feature be added on sharing. On site, i think one can only share coins with referals... could it be possible to share coins with a freebitco user who is not your referal or who is not on your referal list? Please i realy need it so greatly. Thanks.

[TheUltraElite]

I made a request some time ago usig the contact form. I love the percentage given from referals' claims. Too too too good. Thanks once again. But i needed to asked that a new feature be added on sharing. On site, i think one can only share coins with referals... could it be possible to share coins with a freebitco user who is not your referal or who is not on your referal list? Please i realy need it so greatly. Thanks.

You mean to say tipping other users on the site who are using the site as well?

Do not know that will benefit you but it can help if the admin decides to start a "rain" system where people can rain coins to the active users or to any other user on the site.

[alfaboy23]

I made a request some time ago usig the contact form. I love the percentage given from referals' claims. Too too too good. Thanks once again. But i needed to asked that a new feature be added on sharing. On site, i think one can only share coins with referals... could it be possible to share coins with a freebitco user who is not your referal or who is not on your referal list? Please i realy need it so greatly. Thanks.

This is not possible in Freebitco.in. The tipping or sharing is for the users who where registered under you or your referrals only.
If you want to give a coins to a Freebitco.in user that is not your referral, why don't you just send a coins to their deposit address in Freebitco.in from your own bitcoin wallet?

[pawel7777]

I made a request some time ago usig the contact form. I love the percentage given from referals' claims. Too too too good. Thanks once again. But i needed to asked that a new feature be added on sharing. On site, i think one can only share coins with referals... could it be possible to share coins with a freebitco user who is not your referal or who is not on your referal list? Please i realy need it so greatly. Thanks.

What for? Freebitco.in is not a site where people interact with each other, so enabling any sort of tipping feature serves no purpose. The only use for that would be balance consolidation from multiple accounts into one (making it easier for the abusers).

[Kakmakr]

I'm stlll curious if anybody has hit 10000 before? I asked it previously and nobody had claimed that they had. I don't want to go through all the posts to check. Anybody know?

The first person to post a screenshot of their 10,000 win just did today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341659.msg16578536#msg16578536

Those who are still claiming this faucet as scam please stop doing so because I had rolled 10k today on the Freerolls and won 0.3BTC from the site. Read the topic wetsuit posted here - and take a look at my big win.

This site has been paying well since ages and continues to do so even in the era where most faucets run dry.

Thanks for the 200$ on first claim this morning admin!

Wow, that's fantastic. I've never seen anyone claim to have won it. I'm always wondering about the odds of hitting it, because it seems certain that they are not 1/10,001 as you would think. None of the math geniuses who can convert the hash into numerals has ever ventured to help solve the problem, but I digress.

Thanks for posting your win. Now we all know it is possible.

Yes, I find it very strange that I have highlighted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.new#new that NOBODY has ever won the $200 hourly faucet payout, and BANG it just happens within the same week. The timing for that was impeccable to say the least. ^Rofl^

Well, What more can I say now that we have our FIRST supposed $200 hourly winner.  ^fishy smell^

One of these days, we might see our first Lottery winner too, because nobody has ever reported that they have won that. ^LoL^

Congratulations to the winner, your timing was perfect. ^hahahaha^

People have been wondering about the $200 winners  far longer than your post about the $200 winners. There's nothing suspicious about the coincidental timing of your post and the winner. As far as you know, there is one winner, however since a micro-fraction of the site's over one million users actually post about their claims, it's highly unlikely this is the only $200 winner. Assuming that he faked a winner to answer your trolling is placing a lot more importance on yourself than anyone else would venture to grant you.

OK, prove me wrong then, and post any link to a post where a user of Freebitco.in reported that they have won $200 from the faucet payouts. You will not find anything, because I did a thorough search. I even searched with Google and used Google translate to translate discussions in other languages on other forums, not related to Bitcointalk. I could not find one post or mention being made, that someone have won the maximum amount in the FREE PLAY.

I have also used every aspect of this site, from the Ad's to the multiplier and Lotto and charity and still feel that this site is one of the best faucets we have ever had, but I have my doubts about the system being 100% above board.

You see this as trolling, I see this as open debate. ^hmmmm^

[pinoycash]

Quite a few people have been asking about this so I have been considering offering an investment option. However, it won't be as straight forward as just investing in the bankroll, I was planning to offer "profit share" tokens that users could buy to share in the profits of the website. Not sure how much interest there would be in such a thing.

Looking forward on that investment features. with the site advertising revenues and dice revenues, this will be surely profitable to shareholder and provide passive income.

[jaysabi]

I sincerely appreciate freebitco for standing out thus far over time. They got a good work going but i still have somethings against them. Freebitco is having a cheating bot. This is very evident in their multiply btc section. I will come back to this. Now lets take a consideration of their free roll. I know very well that the site is giving free bitcoins every hour which is too good but does no one actually think there should be a high level of fairness in their bot settings? It seems the bot watches what you roll and then readjusts your outcome to favour the site rather. I think i heard or read somewhere that the highest roll is 10000 or so if am not mistaken.... but is that suppposed to be absolutely possible that no one could roll 3xxxx, 4xxxx, 6xxxx, 9xxxx, etc. Inotherwords cant people keep rolling about six digits numbers which in many cases would even be higher than 10000 and thats gives one the lucky payout of that six digits? Why i say this about the bot manipulating the numbers is that many times i roll and while it tries to end with a six digit numbers, the bot immediately re-roll again to give me a five digit number.... this isnt fair. Getting numbers above 10000 is not supposee to be a difficult task if someone should roll even for just 50 to 100 times. Then what about those who have rolles for over 500 times and have never gotten 10000. Its hard to believe. Please admin, you are already doing a nice job and already being benevolent, please, try as much as possible to ensure that your benevolence is not questionable due to the attitude of your bot concerned with this section.

Coming back to multiply btc section.... the attitude of your bot is questionable. Just as i said berore, you are doing a great job giving out free coins where everyone relies on luck. On multiply btc, i hear some persons say that they got drained totally withing 10minutes or thereabout on a deposite above 10,000,000 while their bet is set at 0.00000001 on auto. Even a deposite of 1000000 cannot on a fair play squander your cash in 20 minutes using same multiply setting. And if this is true, of which i am not doubting, then your bot is cheaping on users to the favour of admin. Beside, admins manipulates and sets the bot's attitude. Hence, admin are cheating on users indirectly... that is so so wrong. Please let fairness be fairness. Its only that users cannot see the other end of the bot else everyone would get to know about the foul play.

Over to my experiences.... though i dont multiply on auto but i multiply on manual.. hence, reason for my doubt of that word "provably fair". That wors is only a deception even though we are getting free bitcoins. No one would ever succeed to convince me that i would ever bet on HI and then roll over 15 times only to be getting LO LO LO LO outcome..... on a bot that rolls fairly? thats never true except if something is involved and yes something is involved..... YOUR BOT IS CHEATING. Now would you imagine that while i keep getting a series of LO outcome when i bet HI for fifteen consecutive times, it would seem the system is just set to give you LO outcomes only to discover that you the moment you just decide to bet LO maybe the sixteenth time, the bot gives you a HI outcome and you still keep losing... what explanation would best suit such a fair outcome.

Besides, what always happen is that the moment you change your bet mayb from HI to LO or LO to HI, while you keep betting on a either HI or LO.... once you change, the roller would roll for over three seconds and above whereas while you were betting and losing, it takes just a second to roll. Is this attitude not also questionable? Why does the roller do that.... does it mean as you change your bet the bot knows you would win and then it starts recalculating the digits so it gives you the opposite of your bet and you keep losing? Once again, there is no better word to describe this acts but cheating.

Finally, i discovered that whenever i bet with a large amount, i may win the first time or lose and probably win same amount the second time expecially when i play alternatively. Remember i said i only play manual. But as you keep trying your luck you begin to lose and lose and lose and lose even when u play alternatively BUT immediately you change your amount to a very very very small amount, you win. What is really happening.... does it mean freebitco and its bots do not support huge amount betting? I just cant believe this because i have never experienced this on another faucet i have played multiply. On freebitco, you keep losing till you account is empty or significantly reduced except if some supernatural powers are on your side. No one needs a supernatural power over what is said to be fair. I keep doubting that word provably fair cause your bot cannot only keep producing losing server seeds when the amount to win or lose is fat. Once again this is a cheat.

Please check the server seeds your bot produces and if the behaviour of your bot has been tampered with, then correct it please. Let it be fair indeed as promised. No one has to go verify rolls.... that is just childs play because it will still show the same result since the server seed is hidden and decided by freebitco via its bots in accordance to its maipulated behaviour. So we dont actually need to verify anything. We just need fairness and your bot stops cheating when it has to do with large amounts.

Once again, i love you freebitco. Thanks for reading.

I don't think you understand at all how the "rolls" work. You're not rolling a number, you're rolling a hash in sha-256. That hash is then converted into a decimal number mathematically, which is displayed to you as the number you see on your screen. The "roll" you see is just a generic animation. Your "roll" is determined before those numbers begin displaying to you, and they're pre-determined to show you whatever the decimal number is that your hash mathematically converts to. By the time those numbers begin spinning and revealing themselves to you, your "roll" is already determined. Nothing about the animation is random or undetermined at that point. On top of that, your hash is provably fair, and you can independently verify that it was fair and converts to the number your "roll" shows you.

As for the multiply section, the house edge is 5%. This is rather large in arena of dice sites. It's not a place that favors the gambler. All your anecdotal evidence is first, all hearsay and low value information, but more importantly, completely in line with a site with such a large gambler disadvantage.

[jaysabi]

hey man. I love your site.

Lost shed loads of btc there. But no biggie. I won recently 1.74 BTC   . My question is : are you willing to offer maybe investing in your site like on dice sites?

Quite a few people have been asking about this so I have been considering offering an investment option. However, it won't be as straight forward as just investing in the bankroll, I was planning to offer "profit share" tokens that users could buy to share in the profits of the website. Not sure how much interest there would be in such a thing.

I would venture to guess this would be a popular feature, but I would rather see the site stay privately owned and run. Once you instigate outside "ownership" stakes, the independence of the operation is not as sound as you have shareholders to please rather than doing what is best for the site. On top of that, there's no way the investment can ever pay off for shareholders. If they make a profit on their investment in the site, that's money you've lost that could have been solely your profit. It is only in your interest to sell interests in the site if people could never possibly recoup the cost of buying in, because that would maximize YOUR revenue generated from the site. The only time a business should sell interests to the public is when they legitimately need the funding to expand the business to make it more profitable. Selling interests just for the sake of selling interests, absent a real business need to raise funding, calls into question the motivation of doing so. As for market "demand," people invested in bitcoin are unsophisticated investors and pretty bad at evaluating fiscal decisions. They would buy a stake in just about any bitcoin business touted here. Just because you could sell interests in the business doesn't mean you should, as it would be taking advantage of a rather dull investor class that thinks they're going to get rich buying bitcoin and investing in bitcoin businesses.

For all these reasons, I would rather see the integrity of the site and you as the owner remain above question, which it currently is, by keeping the ownership of the site private.

[jaysabi]

I'm stlll curious if anybody has hit 10000 before? I asked it previously and nobody had claimed that they had. I don't want to go through all the posts to check. Anybody know?

The first person to post a screenshot of their 10,000 win just did today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341659.msg16578536#msg16578536

Those who are still claiming this faucet as scam please stop doing so because I had rolled 10k today on the Freerolls and won 0.3BTC from the site. Read the topic wetsuit posted here - and take a look at my big win.

This site has been paying well since ages and continues to do so even in the era where most faucets run dry.

Thanks for the 200$ on first claim this morning admin!

Wow, that's fantastic. I've never seen anyone claim to have won it. I'm always wondering about the odds of hitting it, because it seems certain that they are not 1/10,001 as you would think. None of the math geniuses who can convert the hash into numerals has ever ventured to help solve the problem, but I digress.

Thanks for posting your win. Now we all know it is possible.

Yes, I find it very strange that I have highlighted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320959.new#new that NOBODY has ever won the $200 hourly faucet payout, and BANG it just happens within the same week. The timing for that was impeccable to say the least. ^Rofl^

Well, What more can I say now that we have our FIRST supposed $200 hourly winner.  ^fishy smell^

One of these days, we might see our first Lottery winner too, because nobody has ever reported that they have won that. ^LoL^

Congratulations to the winner, your timing was perfect. ^hahahaha^

People have been wondering about the $200 winners  far longer than your post about the $200 winners. There's nothing suspicious about the coincidental timing of your post and the winner. As far as you know, there is one winner, however since a micro-fraction of the site's over one million users actually post about their claims, it's highly unlikely this is the only $200 winner. Assuming that he faked a winner to answer your trolling is placing a lot more importance on yourself than anyone else would venture to grant you.

OK, prove me wrong then, and post any link to a post where a user of Freebitco.in reported that they have won $200 from the faucet payouts. You will not find anything, because I did a thorough search. I even searched with Google and used Google translate to translate discussions in other languages on other forums, not related to Bitcointalk. I could not find one post or mention being made, that someone have won the maximum amount in the FREE PLAY.

I have also used every aspect of this site, from the Ad's to the multiplier and Lotto and charity and still feel that this site is one of the best faucets we have ever had, but I have my doubts about the system being 100% above board.

You see this as trolling, I see this as open debate. ^hmmmm^

Again, you're under the false assumption that anyone who wins is going to go and post it somewhere. You're also assuming your inability to find a post, if it exists, is indicative of an event never happening. Neither assumption logically proves anything you're claiming, and furthermore, since you're the one making wild accusations, the burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claims.

The "trolling" was the tone you took in your post in which you assumed that your logical leaps equated to indisputable facts, and proceeded to talk down for a position of claimed superiority that was not warranted.

[forzendiablo]

this faucet gives winnings i tell you people. i know somebody who rolled almost biggest price in free roll.