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[hosseinimr93]

Each time you roll you are generating a decimal, not a whole number. There are over 4 billion possible decimal numbers you can generate and only 0.005% of those decimals can be rounded to 10000.

You are right. I corrected the calculations in my previous post regarding the chance if not hitting 10000 in 20000 rolls.

So, it's true then? Hitting any other number is twice as likely than hitting either 00000 or 10000?

Yes, that's because the possible outcomes are 0-10000. We have 10001 numbers. So, it's logical.

Does it mean that if a dice site allows you to choose which number to hunt for 9900x multiplier, it is better to choose any other number but 0.00 or 99.99? (Sorry if it's a stupid question, I'm a bit confused now).

I don't think there is any difference. Because there are exactly 10,000 numbers and the chance of hitting each of them is exactly 0.01%

[SirLancelot]

Wow that's nice! It's great to see Freebitco.in going into big audiences and promoting themselves beyond crypto community. And fancy Lambo is one of the best way to do that. Damn, I just remember that Freebitco.in  started just as simple faucet and now it's not only huge crypto gambling website - it's third biggest casino on the whole internet!

Just imagine on how far freebitco.in made already to have such prize. Clearly getting in earlier has an advantage. They came in community early and became the most famous faucet site. Some faucet got burn already because it's not profitable anymore for owner amd for people but not this site. HI LO game is really a hooker even before and even more when they add jackpot, etc. Now they came into this scene. I know how hard to get it since that prize is really something. Even harder to get than the famous dice site jackpot that I know.

Yeah, there was a lot of faucets back in the day I can tell you that, hell I personally owned a faucet rotator once and even sold it, it had a great name too that I won't share that helped me with google SEO, for some reason I thought if I had a faucet rotator that has my affiliate links involved I could get a lot of people signed up to a lot of faucets and eventually have a combined a ton of money, the only one that actually worked was freebitco.in.

I still do ads and banners here and there on some familiar websites of my friends but main portion of my affiliates came back on those days, all other websites either never been used even back than or they were so small that it didn't really worth it so they stopped, only freebitcoin survived because they were actually really good and really paid out very well as well.

[fullhdpixel]

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

[Kprawn]

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

I think people are still debating this issue, because they think the free roll is rigged or something. In any way, you have it spot on with your analogy,

so I gave you one merit for that.    A homeless man could care less how you generated the free money that you are giving to them, even if it was

thought cheating or stealing. A lot of people in 3rd world countries with weak currencies would celebrate if they win anything higher than $10 and

we have seen several people reporting that they are frequently winning between $10 and $20 from this faucet. 

[mindrust]

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

I think people are still debating this issue, because they think the free roll is rigged or something. In any way, you have it spot on with your analogy,

so I gave you one merit for that.    A homeless man could care less how you generated the free money that you are giving to them, even if it was

thought cheating or stealing. A lot of people in 3rd world countries with weak currencies would celebrate if they win anything higher than $10 and

we have seen several people reporting that they are frequently winning between $10 and $20 from this faucet. 

It is not just about the dollar amount you win.

There is a special feeling when you hit a big number. The feeling only the RPG players can understand. If you played a game like diablo or world of warcraft or anything similar, you would probably understand what I mean. When a good item drops and somehow you manage to get it before the others, something inside of me gets so fucking happy. (my little degenerate gambler)

That 9990 I lately had gave me a similar feeling. I would probably go bat shit crazy if I had 9999 and posted here.

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

[hosseinimr93]

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

You can find many freebitco users that have rolled 9999 or 10000 in the following thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855

[LTU_btc]

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

You can find many freebitco users that have rolled 9999 or 10000 in the following thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855

If you will go through whole topic, you will find quite many who rolled 10000, not even talking about 9999.
There is one guy who posted his win recently:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.msg53270641#msg53270641

[Indymoney]

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

You can find many freebitco users that have rolled 9999 or 10000 in the following thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855

If you will go through whole topic, you will find quite many who rolled 10000, not even talking about 9999.
There is one guy who posted his win recently:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.msg53270641#msg53270641

One thing is very interesting if you check there are nearly 1500 posts and more then 1000 are from newbies with just one or two posts and very few from active users.

[LTU_btc]

One thing is very interesting if you check there are nearly 1500 posts and more then 1000 are from newbies with just one or two posts and very few from active users.

It's nothing strange. After winning $20 or $200, Freebitco.in users get email message to post proof of winning in order to get $5 bonus. And judt for this bonus they make Bitcointalk account.
Bitcointalk have just 2.7 million users and even much less in reality. While Freebitco.in hsve over 34 million registered users. Numbers obviously tells that only small part of Freebitco.in users have Bitcointalk account.

[docthusinh]

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.

[UserU]

I wonder if anybody had that number and posted it before in this thread.

Those numbers are super rare, given the fact that most aren't aware that this forum exists or only lurk around.

[TheQuin]

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.

It didn't answer because the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" is something anyone with primary school education will understand and comparing how the rolls are calculated to how something completely different is calculated is yet another straw man.

I will ask you to read again and explain how "rounded off to the nearest whole number" could possibly be any more clear or truthful.

[docthusinh]

The issue is we need to know what's inside the free thing,

You would know if you took the 30 seconds required to read understand the provably fair tab.

There is no information, that why I've asked and you didn't answer that key part, let I repeat, if the results are from 9999.51 - 9999.99 will it get rounded "to nearest integer" to become 10000, or it would be "rounded down" to become 9999 as similar to Multiply BTC results? If you will answer that it is truly "rounded to nearest integer" then explain why there is different in Multiply BTC game given the example: betting on 0.48% win chance or 197.92 odd, the payout would be only 196 in which equal to 197.92 less 0.92 part is stripped off (or rounded down) and less 1.00 stake.

Don't ask me to read because there is different found already, it's yours to clarify, just tell the truth.

It didn't answer because the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" is something anyone with primary school education will understand and comparing how the rolls are calculated to how something completely different is calculated is yet another straw man.

I will ask you to read again and explain how "rounded off to the nearest whole number" could possibly be any more clear or truthful.

OK so I can confirm that your statement of:" to get a result 0 or 10000 there is 1/2 lesser chance of getting other numbers" is COMPLETELY WRONG.
According to the calculation statement of your "PROVABLY FAIR" there are 1:4,294,967,295 maximum possible outcomes of that HEX to Integer, BUT to be yielded a 10,000 rolled number there is only ONE chance (which is 4294967295 / 429496.7295 = 10000).
To get a 9999, it need to be at least 429496.7295*9999 = 4294537798. Since they are "rounded off to the nearest whole number" any numbers from 4294537798 -> 4294967294 (less the last Integer 4294967295) will become 9999. There are: 4294967294 - 4294537798 = 429496 chance of getting 9999 compare with ONE(1) chance of getting a 10000. Apply the sam calculation any number from 0-9999 will have the same chance of 1:429496 to occur while there is 1:4294967295 chance to get a 10000.

Don't ask me again to learn superb math if the above calculation is wrong, I only have enough math to finish my job as a seasonal Progammer, peach.



 

[TheQuin]

Don't ask me again to learn superb math if the above calculation is wrong, I only have enough math to finish my job as a seasonal Progammer, peach.

I'm not questioning your programming skills. It is your comprehension of simple basic terms like "rounded off to the nearest whole number" I am having doubts about.

I assumed everyone knew that means x.0 to x.49999..... is rounded down and x.5 to x.99999..... is rounded up. That's why the question was too dumb to answer the first time you asked it.

4294967295÷429496.7295=10000
4294967294÷429496.7295=9999.999997672
4294967293÷429496.7295=9999.999995343

etc. all get rounded up.

[docthusinh]

Don't ask me again to learn superb math if the above calculation is wrong, I only have enough math to finish my job as a seasonal Progammer, peach.

I'm not questioning your programming skills. It is your comprehension of simple basic terms like "rounded off to the nearest whole number" I am having doubts about.

I assumed everyone knew that means x.0 to x.49999..... is rounded down and x.5 to x.99999..... is rounded up. That's why the question was too dumb to answer the first time you asked it.

4294967295÷429496.7295=10000
4294967294÷429496.7295=9999.999997672
4294967293÷429496.7295=9999.999995343

etc. all get rounded up.

A simple term can be understand the same way by everyone but it can be another meaning by the one whom defined it. The reason I've asked so many time that is because on your site what currently going on an can be checked and verified is the payout of winning of Multiply BTC game which is not "rounded of to the nearest whole number" but to benefit the house it's rounded down. It's a strange thing that in any other site the rounding thing is done correctly and fair (up to the smallest unit is satoshi), but in your site despite the already high house edge, by using the math rounding, it's again "make used" to benefit the house on paying the winning payout by round down.

The same would be apply to the free roll thing where everyone can check is, the winning of $200 or 10000 will be much much more than what's currently is, if there really a 1:492496 chance for getting 10000. With that huge number of accounts (30 mil+) in average of 1 user doing 1 roll per day (average out the case a user can roll many more than that and those accounts are inactive), it 30+ million times rolled per day and surprising that a very small number of users are reporting their big win over time, if that's real then 30000000/492496 = 60 wins at least per day, this is certainly not happening but with the rate of users who reported the win...only few of them over a week, it's clearly that the later case is currently going on which is 1:4294967295 chance, and thus the report winning thread is representing this correctly which is just one or two users are reporting winning for a specific day as well as there were already days without any report. Anyone know how to think and do the statistcal math can see it clearly .

 

[TheQuin]

A simple term can be understand the same way by everyone but it can be another meaning by the one whom defined it.

There is no room for misunderstanding the meaning of the word "nearest".

The reason I've asked so many time that is because on your site what currently going on an can be checked and verified is the payout of winning of Multiply BTC game which is not "rounded of to the nearest whole number" but to benefit the house it's rounded down. It's a strange thing that in any other site the rounding thing is done correctly and fair (up to the smallest unit is satoshi), but in your site despite the already high house edge, by using the math rounding, it's again "make used" to benefit the house on paying the winning payout by round down.

This is a completely different subject and I didn't reply because I didn't want the 2 issues to cloud or confuse.

There is a very simple and essential mathematical reason why the payouts are rounded down to the nearest Satoshi. If we rounded to the nearest whole number and you bet 50 sats at 1.01x the 0.5 Sat win would be rounded up to 1 Sat but you would only lose 50 Sats when you lose. That would make it a +EV bet and the bankroll would emptied 1 Sat at a time.
For anyone making reasonable size bets the rounding loss of up to 0.000072 USD isn't really of any significance.

[docthusinh]

A simple term can be understand the same way by everyone but it can be another meaning by the one whom defined it.

There is no room for misunderstanding the meaning of the word "nearest".

The reason I've asked so many time that is because on your site what currently going on an can be checked and verified is the payout of winning of Multiply BTC game which is not "rounded of to the nearest whole number" but to benefit the house it's rounded down. It's a strange thing that in any other site the rounding thing is done correctly and fair (up to the smallest unit is satoshi), but in your site despite the already high house edge, by using the math rounding, it's again "make used" to benefit the house on paying the winning payout by round down.

This is a completely different subject and I didn't reply because I didn't want the 2 issues to cloud or confuse.

There is a very simple and essential mathematical reason why the payouts are rounded down to the nearest Satoshi. If we rounded to the nearest whole number and you bet 50 sats at 1.01x the 0.5 Sat win would be rounded up to 1 Sat but you would only lose 50 Sats when you lose. That would make it a +EV bet and the bankroll would emptied 1 Sat at a time.
For anyone making reasonable size bets the rounding loss of up to 0.000072 USD isn't really of any significance.

So that what I say is correct, it get doubled, first the already house edge 5% and the next is 1 sat. Too aggressive in this case.

[TheQuin]

So that what I say is correct, it get doubled, first the already house edge 5% and the next is 1 sat. Too aggressive in this case.

Are you for real? Are you really complaining about rounding of up to 0.000072 USD. I just explained why it is essential. Why do you just ignore that. Is it because it shows you don't have a complaint? Or is it because you want to change the subject after I just proved you incorrect?

How about apologising for this?

OK so I can confirm that your statement of:" to get a result 0 or 10000 there is 1/2 lesser chance of getting other numbers" is COMPLETELY WRONG.

Why did you just go back and edit your previous post after I had already answered it? Are you trying to make look like I ignored you latest bullshit?

This post up above sums it up perfectly.

Seriously how did someone finally figured out a way to complain about something that is free? I know it took years for them to figure out a way but how can someone really complain about something which is absolutely free?

Analogy is more like "would you accept money from strangers" which normally homeless people for example do, of course we are not homeless and this free money doesn't change anything for us but would a beggar on the street say "I think you are not being fair" to someone that gives them 1 dollars instead of 100? Do they only accept 100 dollars and reject the rest? They all take even cents they are thrown at.

So, free money is free money, there is nothing you can complain about at all, it is just free, take it and continue your life or don't take it if you don't want to but don't complain about free money not being a lot, nobody dishes out free money like freebitco.in anyway.

I will not give you any more the time of day than I do The Village Idiot from now on.

[STT]

If the website does follow the convention of rounding up fractional numbers over 0.5  I dont see a big point to argue over.

With that huge number of accounts (30 mil+)

Active every 24hr userbase will be largely different to the total amount.   Also the website has to deal with people who try to make many accounts not just one.

One thing is very interesting if you check there are nearly 1500 posts and more then 1000 are from newbies with just one or two posts and very few from active users.

Bitcoin is bigger then this website and Freebitco is top ranked in the world for betting websites apparently, someone mentioned it a while back.    Not everyone can be bothered using a forum, making posts even if they read the forum a bit.  I can type 70wpm, not sure I can speak properly that fast even so its zero effort to me but I know tons of single digit typers might spend 1 minute trying to find the L key lots of people dont like typing on forums even if they do read here so I know theres tons of users out there not on the radar in registered posts.   
  I dont have the name for the phenomena but the shadow or footprint of an object can be far larger then the physical register, BTC in potential user base is giant compared to active people who will speak up on these forums.  Im a member of many big and small forums and some are just shy, funny as that is on the internet.
  I was  reading these forums for a few months on and off before I decided that I should sign up, sadly it was similar with Bitcoin I heard of it years beforehand.  Like a decade before I thought digital currency on the net would be something, there was a few token services that rose in the dotcom boom and fell so I guess BTC was in that category for me initially.

[TheQuin]

If the website does follow the convention of rounding up fractional numbers over 0.5  I dont see a big point to argue over.

He's just trying to obfuscate the fact he couldn't understand the difference between "rounded off to the nearest whole number" and "rounded down" or "rounded up". The same tactics The Village Idiot uses. When proved wrong just make a lot of noise complaining about something else or just keep making the same complaint ignoring that I've already explained why they are wrong.