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September 22, 2019, 09:44:54 PM
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I understand it differently.

VST has been sold, and is a separate private network with waves technology. VST will have another token increase for public and private associates, when they bring new money.

waves enterprise is a new entity that is parallel to VST and still not very precisely described. So a second professional entity, TBD..probably for different users.
it is this entity that is projected to merge with waves platform.
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https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=253762471501505&story_fbid=1096672997210444

we need to ascertain this scheme. Maybe waves support has something to say for that.

meanwhile waves turns to an inflationary level, its price decreases accordingly.

Waves enterprise is VST

It was rebranded.

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September 22, 2019, 10:40:56 PM
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Waves enterprise is VST

It was rebranded.
Total available supply of WAVES is 100,000,000 WAVES
Total available supply of VST is 1 billion.
So, WAVES cann't be VST or some another rebrended, otherwise this will be another coin.

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September 22, 2019, 11:19:45 PM
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VST integration with Waves in 2021, it will lead to increased supply from 100 million to 1.1 billion because VST will do everything that waves can do now.

Waves market cap should be determined from supply of 1.1 billion because VST cloning. So the value is actually 1.1 billion at $1 and this can go to $0.1.


Hello. I am interesting in more information on this. Do you have links or information on VST cloining or is this an assumption?
I find this alarming if it happens.

this is intriguing and would constitute another bad news.
more details are required if true.

@Waves.support Ask sasha ivanov or anyone from WAVES team if the theory of @MarquiseMuseum is true or not, we need a clear answer so some stop throwing random theories left and right and no more confusion among WAVES community.
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September 23, 2019, 12:59:03 AM
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What is going on with Coinomat swap?




Sasha launched all these assets before, but he never swap them in 2016 to WAVES as promised, why does he neglect his earliest investors so badly?

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September 23, 2019, 01:08:05 AM
Last edit: September 23, 2019, 01:32:51 AM by MarquiseMuseum
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Waves enterprise is VST

It was rebranded.
Total available supply of WAVES is 100,000,000 WAVES
Total available supply of VST is 1 billion.
So, WAVES cann't be VST or some another rebrended, otherwise this will be another coin.

These two coins will be connected with a side chain and merged into a new native token so that russian army through rostec can dilute supply by 90% ownership control of new chain. This is why VST is x10 times more supply than waves.

Everything about this is clearly written in the articles, did no one read them?

The only question that remains is that one article says two will become one new native coin, and the other article says that these coins will not be merged at all.

Ivanov was paid $120 million and he could not refuse this partnership because there may be problems for him legally otherwise...He was hotel jumping and then got intercepted, this is very easy for FSB operatives to find him.

It is nothing strange here, this is typical how governments behave and there is not only bad news because Russian oligarchs and Putin is capital strong and can influence price alot to attract significant userbase.Most normal people will use this anyway, they don't understand anything about money and power.

All the early investors who have coins now, will probably be rich, but the price to pay is that the old centralized system still is in control.

But atleast, they cannot print new currency unless max supply is changed in the future. And because they have 90% majority stake, they can now decide everything with voting.

The reason why Russia is early in this industry is because of international economic sanctions, it is a problem for their lackeys to hide capital around the world now because of international treaties.

None of the top coins are decentralized, NEO is china, Binance - China, NEXO - Goldman, CMC - Goldman, Bitcoin is same rich people and governments as before.

This industry stopped being decentralized years ago in 2017 with bittrex subversion by American Government through KYC implementation.

It was very easy to contact developers and demand that they follow the rules of their military commanders, because these developers are unarmed.

I already proposed a mobile militia currency to counteract this subversion, like flash mob but on a more advanced level. So when these things happen with government blackmailing, the mobile militia can intervene and protect devs.

Crypto is a big problem for fiat central banks, they lose all power without their money. So they try to do something smart and fool everyone, but it is obvious how their game works.

Russian, China, US and EU will have separate interests and stakes in different chains, similar to baidu, vkontakte, facebook and so on. Waves/Vst can become Russias main entry into blockchain, perhaps there will be some local cryptos for national and municipal election tampering and so on, but the mother chain for all these could be Waves/Vst because no investor will put money into something that is obviously controlled by Kremlin or Central banks. So they use the back door method of subversion.

Did someone think that these century old super powers would simply disappear because of crypto? This is soft power of influence, there are alot of bad things that can happen if there is a shift towards use of traditional force, such as civil wars and mass criminalization and persecution of investors who do not follow the rules. In their mind, this method that is used here with VST, is like diplomacy. They take all - business as usual.

There cannot be a decentralized merchant and retail adoption because this is brick and mortar stores subject to border control and domestic law enforcement. These wealthy businesses have no where to run or hide from governments while still making money.

Global market cap over $1tn requires government control because the capital influx will be fueled by retail and merchant onramping with crypto/crypto payment gateways within 12 months.

Decentralization is a pipe dream of crypto anarchists and they can have their privacy masternode sandbox at a far corner of crypto space, but mainstream will always follow the herd. It is the people who choose this Neo Feudal model of society for 21st century due to passivity and compliance. Everyone gets out, the effort that is put-i-n.

Patent studied 2017 Certified ABT/NFT catalogue
https://waves.exchange/trading/spot/BS1KFNR8zrXKBEWdUUvpaP6G57Hic3aESkwK7qQKdLpB_WAVES
ABTx swap certificate for https://rarible.com/MarquiseMuseum/sale 7.5m tokens per NFT
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September 23, 2019, 07:14:49 AM
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The reason why Russia is early in this industry is because of international economic sanctions, it is a problem for their lackeys to hide capital around the world now because of international treaties.

None of the top coins are decentralized, NEO is china, Binance - China, NEXO - Goldman, CMC - Goldman, Bitcoin is same rich people and governments as before.

This industry stopped being decentralized years ago in 2017 with bittrex subversion by American Government through KYC implementation.

It was very easy to contact developers and demand that they follow the rules of their military commanders, because these developers are unarmed.

HARD TRUTHs

Decentralization is a pipe dream of crypto anarchists and they can have their privacy masternode sandbox at a far corner of crypto space, but mainstream will always follow the herd. It is the people who choose this Neo Feudal model of society for 21st century due to passivity and compliance. Everyone gets out, the effort that is put-i-n.

https://tokenrating.wavesexplorer.com/?filter=top&page=1

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September 23, 2019, 07:49:07 AM
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The reason why Russia is early in this industry is because of international economic sanctions, it is a problem for their lackeys to hide capital around the world now because of international treaties.

None of the top coins are decentralized, NEO is china, Binance - China, NEXO - Goldman, CMC - Goldman, Bitcoin is same rich people and governments as before.

This industry stopped being decentralized years ago in 2017 with bittrex subversion by American Government through KYC implementation.

It was very easy to contact developers and demand that they follow the rules of their military commanders, because these developers are unarmed.

HARD TRUTHs

Decentralization is a pipe dream of crypto anarchists and they can have their privacy masternode sandbox at a far corner of crypto space, but mainstream will always follow the herd. It is the people who choose this Neo Feudal model of society for 21st century due to passivity and compliance. Everyone gets out, the effort that is put-i-n.

https://tokenrating.wavesexplorer.com/?filter=top&page=1

What is the purpose of posting the tokenrating link? Most tokens seem to get a good score.

I have yet to see a coin/token with high adoption or usage apart from Bitcoin. Perhaps if a government gets involved in a token somewhere in the world it would be an upside regarding adoption. It would not be good for decentralization but at least good for adoption and widespread use.
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September 23, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
Last edit: September 23, 2019, 05:23:53 PM by MarquiseMuseum
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There are benefits with Russian government involvement in Waves, but also excludes wealthy American customer base.

There were restrictions for Americans to buy Waves a few years ago during ICO, maybe this will be once more restricted because of VST.

It is self explanatory that America will not adopt a crypto by Russia. It is a Sovereignity issue.

Stellar is an Americanized version of Waves, and crypto industry is already divided into privatized domestic versions similar to search engines and social media.

Marquise $Museum is using WAVES because it is a piece of Russian engineering marvel. Waves is the most progressive diplomatic invention to come from Russia in decades, it is very good for Russia so they should be careful to not sabotage this beneficial prospect.

It is better if they instead of launching VST, buy waves in open market up to 40-60% majority stake and remain as passive owners in case of wide spread future adoption.

It seems this moderate style of control is not in their taste. VST is also censorship permitting so all projects there are vetted before approval.

A fully censorship permitting crypto issued by Sweden for example, would never be trusted by the people because why choose an autocratic model for the future if they can choose a free model for the future?

Governments of course understand this hard reality and crypto is a huge problem, like a hydra with many heads, impossible to kill, better to subvert.

Society would be divided over night with a government issued crypto, it can lead to civil unrest and possibly armed conflict.

Governments must use underhanded methods of infiltration and astroturfing and it is working so well, it is so easy to make investors and inventors fold, always were very easy to influence and control this class even in world war 2 with scientists switching sides all the time and mass propaganda for the people.

The strategic challenge is not against a mainstream of inventors or investors who are easily controlled, private money by large corporations will be a bigger rival to governments.

These companies are unarmed so it is only a small problem for now. I am sure super computing "weather simulators" inside mountains and military bases are very busy with statistical modeling of economic geo strategy based on crypto data set input.

If VST integration is stopped, I think waves will go to $200 because Russian military must then buy all waves in open market.

Because if they don't, they will be far behind in new economy, and no investor will trust something that they issue themselves. WAVES is Russias best option to win control and influence in new economy.

Patent studied 2017 Certified ABT/NFT catalogue
https://waves.exchange/trading/spot/BS1KFNR8zrXKBEWdUUvpaP6G57Hic3aESkwK7qQKdLpB_WAVES
ABTx swap certificate for https://rarible.com/MarquiseMuseum/sale 7.5m tokens per NFT
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September 23, 2019, 04:03:09 PM
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Game of Nodes is over! The competition was a huge success, resulting in a significant increase in decentralization and network security.

Find out the three winners, who will receive prizes totalling 2 million WAVES in leases: https://blog.wavesplatform.com/game-of-nodes-winners-announced-bbd87205fbc
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September 23, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
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What's happening?
Voting end:1720000 (Sep 24 2019 03:04 UTC, ~ in 11 hrs, 24 mins)

WavesGo, POSPOOL ??  Undecided
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September 23, 2019, 11:33:14 PM
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WavesGo, POSPOOL ??  Undecided

Don't you mean WavesGo, PISPOOL? Cheesy

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September 24, 2019, 12:13:20 AM
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no real response from waves support or forum members to the thesis of marquise museum.
so should we assume that he is correct, and that waves, waves enterprise and vostok would merge in the future..?
this is a very important point IMHO.
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September 24, 2019, 12:41:58 AM
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no real response from waves support or forum members to the thesis of marquise museum.
so should we assume that he is correct, and that waves, waves enterprise and vostok would merge in the future..?
this is a very important point IMHO.

WAVES - it's WAVES. WAVES 2.0, TurtleNetwork, or all another probable projects - this is just a fork from the main WAVES.
Do not believe dirty speculations about relationship of this forks with the WAVES.
Total available supply of WAVES is 100 million coins. And no more. And cann't be more coins, in future - this is a maximum.
Else, we will disagree with some updates, and will supporting, together, only the orthodox source code, and old blockchain.

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September 24, 2019, 01:12:22 AM
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no real response from waves support or forum members to the thesis of marquise museum.
so should we assume that he is correct, and that waves, waves enterprise and vostok would merge in the future..?
this is a very important point IMHO.

WAVES - it's WAVES. WAVES 2.0, TurtleNetwork, or all another probable projects - this is just a fork from the main WAVES.
Do not believe dirty speculations about relationship of this forks with the WAVES.
Total available supply of WAVES is 100 million coins. And no more. And cann't be more coins, in future - this is a maximum.
Else, we will disagree with some updates, and will supporting, together, only the orthodox source code, and old blockchain.

thank you for response.
seems legit, we have paid for that.
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no real response from waves support or forum members to the thesis of marquise museum.
so should we assume that he is correct, and that waves, waves enterprise and vostok would merge in the future..?
this is a very important point IMHO.

WAVES - it's WAVES. WAVES 2.0, TurtleNetwork, or all another probable projects - this is just a fork from the main WAVES.
Do not believe dirty speculations about relationship of this forks with the WAVES.
Total available supply of WAVES is 100 million coins. And no more. And cann't be more coins, in future - this is a maximum.
Else, we will disagree with some updates, and will supporting, together, only the orthodox source code, and old blockchain.
thank you for response.
seems legit, we have paid for that.
Just I already heard the tales about Signatum 2.0, but where is original SIGNATUM now?
This dirty tales just need for the dumpers, to corrupt a specified ORIGINAL coin, and turning this - into the last shit, and scam, on this crazy market.

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September 24, 2019, 06:27:35 AM
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no real response from waves support or forum members to the thesis of marquise museum.
so should we assume that he is correct, and that waves, waves enterprise and vostok would merge in the future..?
this is a very important point IMHO.

Hello wavessurfing! You can find all the answers by reading this aticle - https://blog.wavesplatform.com/your-questions-about-waves-enterprise-answered-dcc892589700 and this telegram news (with detailed roadmap) - https://t.me/wavesnews/1550

Kind regards, Waves Community Manager
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no real response from waves support or forum members to the thesis of marquise museum.
so should we assume that he is correct, and that waves, waves enterprise and vostok would merge in the future..?
this is a very important point IMHO.

Hello wavessurfing! You can find all the answers by reading this aticle - https://blog.wavesplatform.com/your-questions-about-waves-enterprise-answered-dcc892589700 and this telegram news (with detailed roadmap) - https://t.me/wavesnews/1550

Kind regards, Waves Community Manager

yes, i had read that.
from it: citation begins:
– What do you mean by Waves Platform and Waves Enterprise networks merging?

This is what will happen in our next major release, which we are calling ‘Waves 2.0’. This is currently in the research stage. Further details about this release will be published in Q4 2019.

– Will there be a VST and WAVES merger?

We do not plan to merge these tokens. We are starting development of both Waves Enterprise and Waves Platform networks in a such a way that they will become sidechains for each other, and they will interact with each other via a special protocol. Again, technical details about this development will be published in October 2019.

citation ends.
so  there will be no fusion but interaction between 2 sidechains, with still unknown modalities.

but marquise museum said that this plan has been changed, with government interaction..
so i was asking more details...

if the initial waves plan is mostly changed, the price will fall again, and we will reach some cents to the waves..
for exemple remember what occurred to iconomi ICN, whose initial whitepaper was subsequently changed...
investors left.
the other possibility being a significant fork.

IMHO waves must remain waves.
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September 24, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
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Any idea why Waves was removed from the list of coins/tokens being considered for Binance US? It was part of the original 30 but now it is not being considered anymore. Here is the link to the original list and here is the link to the current list going live.
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September 24, 2019, 12:49:36 PM
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Any idea why Waves was removed from the list of coins/tokens being considered for Binance US?

Obvious why! Waves is technologically superior to all those coins and poses a major threat. They ganged up and bribed Binance to not list Waves. Angry

No, mate, it's true - honest! Grin You can see Waves in action here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7rzaTWFyw8

Who wouldn't be scared?
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September 24, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
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The Dev Bounty contest on Ventuary DAO is finally over, and we are thrilled to announce the entries that have received grants from Waves Labs!

Nine projects with the highest size of donations have collected development grants with a total of value of 9,200 WAVES.

Congratulations to the winners of the Dev Bounty and thanks to everyone who donated and left reviews!

Read more: https://medium.com/@VentuaryDAO/dev-bounty-winners-announcement-9e42eb51b74b
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