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June 03, 2019, 01:02:31 AM
Last edit: June 03, 2019, 02:05:21 AM by Adam D Levine
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So you're going to add trades to your records that show swapping coinomat assets into waves @ Dec 2017 prices? What good does that do? I want my money, not a tax deduction.

Mr Ivanov will be prosecuted by the SEC and other regulators around the world for securities fraud, some ICO's might get through, but probably not WAVES, and definitely not Coinomat assets which included dividend-paying securities which unambiguously are NOT cryptocurrencies, they are securities like shares. The INDEX security was tracking the price of the top20 cryptos supposedly ... you can't issue something like that to American citizens without a proper license, and raising +20M USD in a high profile ICO during the peak of the ICO wild west scam-era will have put Sasha Ivanov in the sights of global regulators looking to send a message by prosecuting some of the worst offenders from 2016-17, especially public people from geopolitically juicy targets like Russia.

If you doubt this look into the history of Liberty Reserve, the same thing will happen to Mr Ivanov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve

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In January 2016, Arthur Budovsky pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to commit money laundering. On May 6, 2016, Budovsky was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

The most likely scenario is Sasha Ivanov will be prosecuted by the SEC later this year for illegal securities fraud and be sent to prison, Coinomat will feature in the prosecution as everything is documented and police reports will now be mounting up. The crackdown is coming and Sasha Ivanov is an easy target.

If you swap your Coinomat assets now for WCT you will get nothing back, however, so assuming you are declaring your crypto activities the best course of action is to convert your Coinomat assets into collateral held by you for a debt of WAVES owed to you by Mr Ivanov, and write it off against other crypto gains now that full details of the theft are known.

If you keep WAVES on an exchange what you really own is WAVES IOU's from that particular exchange - not your keys, not your crypto - and with the long-delayed coinomat swap we are entitled to use all the stated terms for the swap to convert the coinomat assets into WAVES IOU's with Sasha Ivanov as the counterparty. That is the law!

You could even sell other WAVES IOU's held on an exchange, keep the funds, and for Tax purposes your WAVES balance would stay the same, you just sell WAVES to decrease your exchange IOU's by the amount of the Ivanov IOU's you gained during the 'OTC swap' you did with Ivanov at the peak in 2017 and your WAVES balance is unaffected. Mr Ivanov is NOT going to protest is he, he's not negotiating at all, and even if you get audited later you can easily show the calculations and evidence for where the Ivanov WAVES IOU's came from, and when and how they were stolen

All crypto is just ledger entries for taxation purposes anyway, and IOU's for crypto tokens stored on exchange custodial wallets are treated the same as coins you own the private keys for in a wallet on your PC, until you dispose of them, or they get stolen like Mr Ivanov has done - he admitted he stole your WAVES with this recent email (he is offering to swap to WCT, not WAVES at all), and you can value them at the peak if you want, when the 2nd Coinomat swap should have happened. Remember, the debts Ivanov owes you were denominated in WAVES with set values, not worthless WCT, which you were entitled to anyway from the airdrop. The goal is to maximise the fiat value of the theft that you can write off, the value of what you lost at the peak of the 2017 bubble.

But, if you swap now you wont have the Coinomat collateral for the debt Ivanov owes you, and you effectively forgo the chance to value your Ivanov WAVES IOU's at the 2017 peak, and your write-off is peanuts. What you'll get is a trade from coinomat assets valued in 2016 at a few cents, into WCT valued at 0.03 cents today, you miss the 2017 boom completely, like you hodl'd the worst shitcoin from bottom to top, and back to bottom, and you never took any profit. Bad trade!

My advice above is obviously not relevant if you're not declaring your crypto activities, for those poor people I don't have any useful advice.

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If you doubt this look into the history of Liberty Reserve, the same thing will happen to Mr Ivanov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve

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In January 2016, Arthur Budovsky pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to commit money laundering. On May 6, 2016, Budovsky was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

The most likely scenario is Sasha Ivanov will be prosecuted by the SEC later this year for illegal securities fraud and be sent to prison, Coinomat will feature in the prosecution as everything is documented and police reports will now be mounting up. The crackdown is coming and Sasha Ivanov is an easy target.


Why can't we get the WCT scraps being offered and get the tax deduction for the stolen coins too?

Great post too by the way Smiley
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Why can't we get the WCT scraps being offered and get the tax deduction for the stolen coins too?


The terms of the 2016 Coinomat::WAVES asset swap were very public, and have all the requirements for a legally binding contract - parties, consent, object consideration - in my own case I purchased directly from Mr Ivanov OTC via forum messages on nxtforum.org. All the evidence suggests there was a new implied contract for a debt once the WAVES DEX went live and the swap date was past due.

If you agree to swap for WCT now there is no actual theft of your WAVES debt anymore (just a shit load of lost value), coz you agreed to the new terms and settled, so there's no debt @ 2017 bull prices you can write-off now, nothing to report to the police except your bad trades with Mr Ivanov that you consented to.

If your crypto activities have been declared for taxation (as mine have been since 2013) then Ivanov has broken a legally enforceable contract with you, and you have legal ways to claw back some wealth, so DO NOT swap for 0.03 cents now.

If your crypto activities are off the grid then your only option is to seek compensation off the grid.
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Why can't we get the WCT scraps being offered and get the tax deduction for the stolen coins too?


The terms of the 2016 Coinomat::WAVES asset swap were very public, and have all the requirements for a legally binding contract - parties, consent, object consideration - in my own case I purchased directly from Mr Ivanov OTC via forum messages on nxtforum.org. All the evidence suggests there was a new implied contract for a debt once the WAVES DEX went live and the swap date was past due.

If you agree to swap for WCT now there is no actual theft of your WAVES debt anymore (just a shit load of lost value), coz you agreed to the new terms and settled, so there's no debt @ 2017 bull prices you can write-off now, nothing to report to the police except your bad trades with Mr Ivanov that you consented to.

If your crypto activities have been declared for taxation (as mine have been since 2013) then Ivanov has broken a legally enforceable contract with you, and you have legal ways to claw back some wealth, so DO NOT swap for 0.03 cents now.

If your crypto activities are off the grid then your only option is to seek compensation off the grid.

I think your right, Sasha knows most crypto guys don't declare their gains so most victims will walk away. Some guys reckon they're down 100k USD so Sasha might get a $5 wrench hack one of these days lol
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June 03, 2019, 05:39:01 AM
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Some great discussion today about Coinomat scam keep it up guys Smiley

Below post from Sasha explains swap details from 2016, 100% unambiguous!





Below are the terms for guys who were convinced by Sasha himself to wait for WAVES go live before swapping, "to get more dividends from a smaller asset pool"





This from just a few months ago confirming a swap for Coinomat assets was still promised ...




As others have said, DON'T SWAP NOW, don't capitulate to Sasha stealing your money!!!

Fight on until Sasha pays what he owes since 2016, with hefty compo

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June 03, 2019, 05:57:52 AM
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Looks like Sasha might get a bukakke payback facial from some of his coinomat victims after all these years

please video any encounters for the rest of us Smiley
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June 03, 2019, 06:19:17 AM
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Looks like Sasha might get a bukakke payback facial from some of his coinomat victims after all these years

please video any encounters for the rest of us Smiley

I don't want payback, revenge doesn't pay the mortgage

I want pay-up for ALL my Coinomat assets (not just a few), ALL OF THEM, and sizable compensation for +3 years of dividends that were never paid
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June 03, 2019, 06:52:34 AM
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Why can't we get the WCT scraps being offered and get the tax deduction for the stolen coins too?


The terms of the 2016 Coinomat::WAVES asset swap were very public, and have all the requirements for a legally binding contract - parties, consent, object consideration - in my own case I purchased directly from Mr Ivanov OTC via forum messages on nxtforum.org. All the evidence suggests there was a new implied contract for a debt once the WAVES DEX went live and the swap date was past due.

If you agree to swap for WCT now there is no actual theft of your WAVES debt anymore (just a shit load of lost value), coz you agreed to the new terms and settled, so there's no debt @ 2017 bull prices you can write-off now, nothing to report to the police except your bad trades with Mr Ivanov that you consented to.

If your crypto activities have been declared for taxation (as mine have been since 2013) then Ivanov has broken a legally enforceable contract with you, and you have legal ways to claw back some wealth, so DO NOT swap for 0.03 cents now.

If your crypto activities are off the grid then your only option is to seek compensation off the grid.

I think your right, Sasha knows most crypto guys don't declare their gains so most victims will walk away. Some guys reckon they're down 100k USD so Sasha might get a $5 wrench hack one of these days lol

I am calling a lawyer later today and will show her @Adam Levine's post, maybe it's the best we can hope for now.

I lost too much to walk away, most in INDEX and Cryptocard which aren't being swapped now, not even for measly 0.05 WCT. INDEX alone should be +10k USD each fair value, especially with the action the last 2 months. Far too big a loss to just absorb and walk away from.

What happened to this guy, I remember him from 2014 when he was a nxtforum mod, he seemed like a normal guy, then he makes millions of USD and scams all his old investors, other devs, and some friends even. It baffles my mind why he is doing this, he made millions out of waves ICO which was funded in large part from coinomat, he should be able to easily cover the swap with some compensation for lost dividends and delays, the amount involved in total is not that large really, probably 25 guys who backed Sasha with large investments like myself when he first started coinomat as part of NXT community.

He lost his soul from greed, and his mind too, ALL his coinomat victims are long term crypto guys from the early 2013-14 years, some are heavy hitting devs in their own right, like jl777 and IOTA founders, NXT ardor LISK NEM etc, why scam anyone, but why scam those guys who will speak of it forever more?

Why scam me, I used to chat with Sasha often on Nxtforum, and komodo/SuperNET slack when he issued some of these coinomat assets on jl777's multigateway, like NEXTBOND this is personal for me, and very very very costly. I went balls deep on Coinomat  assets, wow, i fucked up trusting this prick, and thinking he would come good all these years.

Time for whiskey ...

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June 03, 2019, 07:41:11 AM
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....
I am calling a lawyer later today and will show her @Adam Levine's post, maybe it's the best we can hope for now.
.....


which lawyer? american one, russian one, swiss one?
what kind of police,

what jurisdiction?
would be nice to understand.
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....
I am calling a lawyer later today and will show her @Adam Levine's post, maybe it's the best we can hope for now.
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which lawyer? american one, russian one, swiss one?
what kind of police,

what jurisdiction?
would be nice to understand.

I'm an Australian citizen so I first report Coinomat scam here - https://www.acorn.gov.au/ - for the stolen WAVES.

From there the complaint gets reported to Australian Federal Police, who can then involve Interpol.

I'm not sure Australian regulator would act against Coinomat for illegal issuing of securities, that's probably SEC from USA, and anyone can lodge a scam complaint here - https://www.sec.gov/tcr

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I am calling a lawyer later today and will show her @Adam Levine's post, maybe it's the best we can hope for now.

I lost too much to walk away, most in INDEX and Cryptocard which aren't being swapped now, not even for measly 0.05 WCT. INDEX alone should be +10k USD each fair value, especially with the action the last 2 months. Far too big a loss to just absorb and walk away from.

What happened to this guy, I remember him from 2014 when he was a nxtforum mod, he seemed like a normal guy, then he makes millions of USD and scams all his old investors, other devs, and some friends even. It baffles my mind why he is doing this, he made millions out of waves ICO which was funded in large part from coinomat, he should be able to easily cover the swap with some compensation for lost dividends and delays, the amount involved in total is not that large really, probably 25 guys who backed Sasha with large investments like myself when he first started coinomat as part of NXT community.

He lost his soul from greed, and his mind too, ALL his coinomat victims are long term crypto guys from the early 2013-14 years, some are heavy hitting devs in their own right, like jl777 and IOTA founders, NXT ardor LISK NEM etc, why scam anyone, but why scam those guys who will speak of it forever more?

Why scam me, I used to chat with Sasha often on Nxtforum, and komodo/SuperNET slack when he issued some of these coinomat assets on jl777's multigateway, like NEXTBOND this is personal for me, and very very very costly. I went balls deep on Coinomat  assets, wow, i fucked up trusting this prick, and thinking he would come good all these years.

Time for whiskey ...

Sasha is close to his final exit scam, that's why he doesn't care now, the Vostok airdrop scam tokens will be dumped on noobs and WAVES/Vostok will fade away.

Does anyone think Sasha cares about real dev work since he cashed in during waves ICO? Everything since then is all BS, just waiting for the exit.

The failed Coinomat swap is the sign everything is over, it's the most blatant scam in crypto, just very old dating back to 2014, and not very large in magnitude, but 100% open and visible to anyone with half a brain. Just read the screenshots that get posted here for last 2 years.

Waves is a dead coin walking
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June 03, 2019, 11:30:18 AM
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I am a waves supporter but I have to admit that some suspicious things are going on. (Coinomat, Vostok airdrop, that dump on binance to 1 sat only somebody with 100k+ waves could have done that)
Well, we have to observe it
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If you're visiting WeAreDevelopers World Congress in Berlin and interested in building dApps, make sure to attend our 'Full-cycle Web3 app development' workshops on 6 June.

Learn more about the workshops and register below👇

In Part 1 you will learn about Waves' tools, write a smart contract and connect a dApp on the blockchain with a UI: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/full-cycle-web3-app-development-part-1-tickets-62518929802

In Part 2 you will dive into issues of security, test the application you have created and learn more about the opportunities for developers with Waves Labs: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/full-cycle-web3-app-development-part-2-tickets-62519540629
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June 03, 2019, 07:40:49 PM
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So i got vostok coins from the airdrop.  How much is 1 vostok coin worth in usd?  So you can only trade it for waves right as the only pair?
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June 03, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
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So i got vostok coins from the airdrop.  How much is 1 vostok coin worth in usd?  So you can only trade it for waves right as the only pair?

Hello jerry0. You can check the price and tradable pairs by using WavesDEX. All the latest version of our apps are available on our website - https://wavesplatform.com/

Best wishes, Waves Community manager.
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User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?



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June 04, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
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User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
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User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
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What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?



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June 04, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
 #4899

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

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June 04, 2019, 09:27:06 AM
 #4900

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?



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