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June 04, 2019, 10:05:20 AM
 #4901

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?
Unverified accounts won't receive the airdrop.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager
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June 04, 2019, 10:16:36 AM
 #4902

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?
Unverified accounts won't receive the airdrop.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager

For both stages? So everyone has to verify, even if they only took part in the first stage?



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June 04, 2019, 10:18:33 AM
 #4903

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?
Unverified accounts won't receive the airdrop.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager

For both stages? So everyone has to verify, even if they only took part in the first stage?
Yes, you're right.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager
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June 04, 2019, 10:42:16 AM
 #4904

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?
Unverified accounts won't receive the airdrop.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager

For both stages? So everyone has to verify, even if they only took part in the first stage?
Yes, you're right.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

I am confused. It was never said that we should also verify ourself if we took part in the first part of the Airdrop only.

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Important! Users who do not follow the verification process between 1 April and 31 May will not receive an airdrop in the second phase.
https://vostok.wavesplatform.com/



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.BIG WINNER!.
[15.00000000 BTC]


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June 04, 2019, 10:42:53 AM
 #4905

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?
Unverified accounts won't receive the airdrop.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager

For both stages? So everyone has to verify, even if they only took part in the first stage?
Yes, you're right.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

But what's the reason for changing the rules? There is clearly written that for the first airdrop we have not to verify!
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June 04, 2019, 10:51:03 AM
 #4906

User still sends 0.0001 WAVES to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv to participate in the second stage of vostok airdrop.
https://wavesexplorer.com/address/3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv

Has the end date been extended?

Hello. The period of daily snapshots is over but users still can get verified to receive their $VST in case they held it before.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

What does "in case they held it before" mean? I thought we had to verify ourself first and then we get the Airdrop. So how can someone hold vostok from the Airdrop before?
The first phase lasted starting from February 1 until April 1. The second one started on April 1 and ended on May 31. You can't participate in the airdrop anymore, but if you forgot to verify your Waves account, you still have the opportunity to do it.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. But why would someone verify his account? What benefits would that have?
Unverified accounts won't receive the airdrop.

Best wishes,
Waves Community Manager

For both stages? So everyone has to verify, even if they only took part in the first stage?
Yes, you're right.

Sincerely,
Waves Community Manager

I am confused. It was never said that we should also verify ourself if we took part in the first part of the Airdrop only.

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Important! Users who do not follow the verification process between 1 April and 31 May will not receive an airdrop in the second phase.
https://vostok.wavesplatform.com/


All participants have to get verified now in order to receive the distribution. This is proof that a wallet is active and belongs to you

Kind regards,
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All participants have to get verified now in order to receive the distribution. This is proof that a wallet is active and belongs to you

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

Understandable that you don't want to give vostok to "death accounts". But you should have written in your rules that you changed  them - at least NOW!

Anyway thanks for the aidrop!!! Smiley
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June 04, 2019, 12:30:02 PM
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I am confused. It was never said that we should also verify ourself if we took part in the first part of the Airdrop only.

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Important! Users who do not follow the verification process between 1 April and 31 May will not receive an airdrop in the second phase.
https://vostok.wavesplatform.com/


All participants have to get verified now in order to receive the distribution. This is proof that a wallet is active and belongs to you

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

That is a real impudence. I have not verified myself for certain reasons and now I have to do it. Then I could have verified myself a week ago and would have received additional tokens. Now I don't get tokens from the second phase despite verification.



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June 04, 2019, 12:31:56 PM
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I am confused. It was never said that we should also verify ourself if we took part in the first part of the Airdrop only.

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Important! Users who do not follow the verification process between 1 April and 31 May will not receive an airdrop in the second phase.
https://vostok.wavesplatform.com/


All participants have to get verified now in order to receive the distribution. This is proof that a wallet is active and belongs to you

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

That is a real impudence. I have not verified myself for certain reasons and now I have to do it. Then I could have verified myself a week ago and would have received additional tokens. Now I don't get tokens from the second phase despite verification.
You will receive your $VST for both phases by default if your account has been verified.

Kind regards,
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I am so disappointed,  after all this time coinomat asset holders are offered less than 3 cents per asset, this does not make sense,

- not all assets are being swapped
- all assets are swapped for WCT when it should be WAVES token AND compensation for lost WCT airdrop
- original coinomat assets had different relative values and NXTswap rates in 2016, in 2019 they all have the same WCT rate, why?
- the swap value of 3 cents is ridiculously low

This is totally unacceptable, I do not accept this offer, what about INDEX and Cryptocard assets, what happens with those assets?




Coinomat asset swap victims

I feel your pain!

It's time to accept the truth,

Coinomat asset holders who did not swap in 2016 have been scammed, Sasha Ivanov is NEVER going to pay you anything close to what he owes you for using your wealth since 2014. This is a reality!

@Waves.support will continue to ignore this issue (HIS BOSS IS A SCAMMER), but who can blame him, he's just a forum mod worker, not the person who stole your funds in 2014 and used them to make millions.

I have spoken to my accountant and this is the best course of action IMO

Do not swap your old coinomat assets for WCT

If you swap now you will get no value from your original NXT coins from 2014-16, you effectively miss out on the crypto boom from 2017, your NXT was worth peanuts in 2014-16, and the swap rate of WCT is peanuts now. Ivanov used your money to bootstrap his WAVES ICO which made millions, BUT, you get nothing!

I think Sasha Ivanov will never personally speak of Coinomat asset swap ever again, he is going to try and tough this out, ignore the whole drama, and hope it goes away. He isn't even bothering to swap all the old coinomat assets.

You can use this to your advantage though.

What you should do is convert the value of what your old coinomat assets would have been worth at the peak of the 2017 boom in December, assuming you had swapped them to WAVES, and convert that value into a personal debt in your local fiat, a debt owed by Sasha Ivanov to you personally for keeping your money past the promised swap date.

ALL his public statements since 2016 clearly explain the terms of the Coinomat::WAVES swap, and you are legally allowed to value Ivanov's obligation to you using WAVES value from December 2017 if you want, he promised the swap as early as April 2016 so the obligation to pay WAVES, (i.e. the debt) is beyond doubt, and you are legally entitled to value the debt and write it off "when you realised it wasn't going to be paid". This is the Tax law for most countries, it is for me anyway.

The original promise to swap is very clear, when WAVES DEX started, and as this was never done, the swap became a debt that you can write off when you first realised it was not possible to recover.

What you want to do is maximise the cost basis of the 'thing' you are going to write off, so DO NOT swap now!

I am picking December 2017 as the date to value Sasha Ivanov's debt to me, and he made it clear he refused to repay his debt with the recent email!

The debt was in WAVES, not WCT!

This will not let me ever get my money back, but it does mean I can file a police report for an unpaid debt valued at the peak of the last bull market, and then I can claim that as a capital loss for tax purposes to offset against other income.

It's better than nothing, 100% legal, you just need to file a police report.


I checked with an accountant today and he has a slightly different opinion than @Adam Levine, he agreed Sasha's victims should not swap their NXT coinomat era assets for WCT now, because "they're already sold", his opinion is the swap details were explicit enough to record the "trade" around the time the swap was promised, so he said there's no need to worry about keeping coinomat assets as 'collateral' for a debt, the trade happened BUT delivery was delayed/deferred.

His opinion is coinomat victims owned "rights" to WAVES with Sasha as the custodian exactly the same as owning WAVES held by a custodial wallet, so ownership is separate from possession.

This is good, my accountant agrees with AL that as long as we use a consistent inventory tracking method for taxation of FIFO, we can legally account for the stolen waves using FIFO, which in effect means the "disposal" event for the stolen WAVES can actually be used to reduce WAVES that you owned from as far back as the ICO.

Summary: we owned the swap waves all along, Sasha's email the other day triggers a disposal of WAVES (he stole some of your WAVES ), but we're allowed to use an inventory control method of FIFO that means Sasha theft of WAVES can be accounted for using another parcel of WAVES,  they're all fungible after all.

You can indeed sell some WAVES now, keep the funds, and record the stolen waves as being from a parcel purchased before the swap (where we record the trade and change of ownership, with no physical delivery), BUT, you can't swap now for WCT (Sasha owns the coinomat assets already, he just hasn't taken possession of them yet), and you have to report the theft of waves Sasha's email implied to POLICE. You can't  sell the same assets twice!

Better than nothing!

https://onlinetaxman.com/fifo-vs-lifo-for-crypto-trades/

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June 04, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
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I am confused. It was never said that we should also verify ourself if we took part in the first part of the Airdrop only.

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Important! Users who do not follow the verification process between 1 April and 31 May will not receive an airdrop in the second phase.
https://vostok.wavesplatform.com/


All participants have to get verified now in order to receive the distribution. This is proof that a wallet is active and belongs to you

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

That is a real impudence. I have not verified myself for certain reasons and now I have to do it. Then I could have verified myself a week ago and would have received additional tokens. Now I don't get tokens from the second phase despite verification.
You will receive your $VST for both phases by default if your account has been verified.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

So if I send 0.0001 Waves to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv today, I will get the Airdrop amount of vostok token from the second stage and from the first stage?



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June 04, 2019, 03:27:07 PM
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So if I send 0.0001 Waves to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv today, I will get the Airdrop amount of vostok token from the second stage and from the first stage?

As far as I know the deadline was the 31st of May. And it seems like they already paid out the VST airdrops so you are probably too late to verify your address now.


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June 04, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
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I am confused. It was never said that we should also verify ourself if we took part in the first part of the Airdrop only.

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Important! Users who do not follow the verification process between 1 April and 31 May will not receive an airdrop in the second phase.
https://vostok.wavesplatform.com/


All participants have to get verified now in order to receive the distribution. This is proof that a wallet is active and belongs to you

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

That is a real impudence. I have not verified myself for certain reasons and now I have to do it. Then I could have verified myself a week ago and would have received additional tokens. Now I don't get tokens from the second phase despite verification.
You will receive your $VST for both phases by default if your account has been verified.

Kind regards,
Waves Community Manager

So if I send 0.0001 Waves to 3PBNiHBcp8rxiYkGVGNHEGZHEamb1aXeWVv today, I will get the Airdrop amount of vostok token from the second stage and from the first stage?


Hi, again. You'll get VST for the phases the terms of which you fullfilled during the airdrop. You can easily check whether you get any VST and how many here https://vostok.wavesplatform.com

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June 04, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
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You can't cry 'cause you're laughing at me
I'm down (I'm really down)
I'm down (Down on the ground)
I'm down (I'm really down)
How can you laugh when you know I'm down
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Man buys WAVES woman throws it away
Same old thing happens everyday
I'm down (I'm really down)
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June 04, 2019, 08:15:18 PM
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Marquise $Museum did 3 airdrops this week so far with 40 waves distributed to our partner who supplies the airdrop service and over 20 000 new owners of $MUSEUM.

I have some requests from Waves team and that is to retain unverified coin tickers after june 15 and permit waves voting on tokenrating using waves itself and not only wct and without waves keeper requirement and exclude single large votes regardless if they are 5 star or 1 star. There is one person who downvoted the entire Museum project which has been trading on waves since november of 2017 and accumulated several thousands of dollars in waves that are intended to be spent on the platform in the future.

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Waves is the best project ever.  All my Waves tokens have been more than paid for just from the airdrops of WCT, Liquid and Vostok.  Waves is the platform that keeps on giving.  Santa Sasha is the man! 
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I took a look at the waves exchange.  So as of now, 1 vostok is how much waves?
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It shows


VST/Waves   Price is 0.38



Does that mean vst is worth 38% of 1 wave?  Or does it mean vst is worth 38 cents?


So if you have 380 vostok... that means you can trade it for 100 waves?


Or does it mean 380 vostok means 380 X 38 cents = about 150 dollars?
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It shows


VST/Waves   Price is 0.38



Does that mean vst is worth 38% of 1 wave?  Or does it mean vst is worth 38 cents?


So if you have 380 vostok... that means you can trade it for 100 waves?


Or does it mean 380 vostok means 380 X 38 cents = about 150 dollars?

Hello jerry0!

The price you are able to see on the Waves Decentralised Exchange with this trading pair is the price of $WAVES per one $VST token which means 1 $VST tokens worth 0.38 $WAVES, not cents as it is not VST/USD trading pair which is available for trading operations as well. So, we can make a conclusion that 380 $VST worths 144.4 $WAVES which is currently equal to 332.12 $USD according to the price on CoinMarketCap https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/waves/

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Coinomat asset swap victims

I feel your pain!

It's time to accept the truth,

Coinomat asset holders who did not swap in 2016 have been scammed, Sasha Ivanov is NEVER going to pay you anything close to what he owes you for using your wealth since 2014. This is a reality!

@Waves.support will continue to ignore this issue (HIS BOSS IS A SCAMMER), but who can blame him, he's just a forum mod worker, not the person who stole your funds in 2014 and used them to make millions.

I have spoken to my accountant and this is the best course of action IMO

Do not swap your old coinomat assets for WCT

If you swap now you will get no value from your original NXT coins from 2014-16, you effectively miss out on the crypto boom from 2017, your NXT was worth peanuts in 2014-16, and the swap rate of WCT is peanuts now. Ivanov used your money to bootstrap his WAVES ICO which made millions, BUT, you get nothing!

I think Sasha Ivanov will never personally speak of Coinomat asset swap ever again, he is going to try and tough this out, ignore the whole drama, and hope it goes away. He isn't even bothering to swap all the old coinomat assets.

You can use this to your advantage though.

What you should do is convert the value of what your old coinomat assets would have been worth at the peak of the 2017 boom in December, assuming you had swapped them to WAVES, and convert that value into a personal debt in your local fiat, a debt owed by Sasha Ivanov to you personally for keeping your money past the promised swap date.

ALL his public statements since 2016 clearly explain the terms of the Coinomat::WAVES swap, and you are legally allowed to value Ivanov's obligation to you using WAVES value from December 2017 if you want, he promised the swap as early as April 2016 so the obligation to pay WAVES, (i.e. the debt) is beyond doubt, and you are legally entitled to value the debt and write it off "when you realised it wasn't going to be paid". This is the Tax law for most countries, it is for me anyway.

The original promise to swap is very clear, when WAVES DEX started, and as this was never done, the swap became a debt that you can write off when you first realised it was not possible to recover.

What you want to do is maximise the cost basis of the 'thing' you are going to write off, so DO NOT swap now!

I am picking December 2017 as the date to value Sasha Ivanov's debt to me, and he made it clear he refused to repay his debt with the recent email!

The debt was in WAVES, not WCT!

This will not let me ever get my money back, but it does mean I can file a police report for an unpaid debt valued at the peak of the last bull market, and then I can claim that as a capital loss for tax purposes to offset against other income.

It's better than nothing, 100% legal, you just need to file a police report.


I checked with an accountant today and he has a slightly different opinion than @Adam Levine, he agreed Sasha's victims should not swap their NXT coinomat era assets for WCT now, because "they're already sold", his opinion is the swap details were explicit enough to record the "trade" around the time the swap was promised, so he said there's no need to worry about keeping coinomat assets as 'collateral' for a debt, the trade happened BUT delivery was delayed/deferred.

His opinion is coinomat victims owned "rights" to WAVES with Sasha as the custodian exactly the same as owning WAVES held by a custodial wallet, so ownership is separate from possession.

This is good, my accountant agrees with AL that as long as we use a consistent inventory tracking method for taxation of FIFO, we can legally account for the stolen waves using FIFO, which in effect means the "disposal" event for the stolen WAVES can actually be used to reduce WAVES that you owned from as far back as the ICO.

Summary: we owned the swap waves all along, Sasha's email the other day triggers a disposal of WAVES (he stole some of your WAVES ), but we're allowed to use an inventory control method of FIFO that means Sasha theft of WAVES can be accounted for using another parcel of WAVES,  they're all fungible after all.

You can indeed sell some WAVES now, keep the funds, and record the stolen waves as being from a parcel purchased before the swap (where we record the trade and change of ownership, with no physical delivery), BUT, you can't swap now for WCT (Sasha owns the coinomat assets already, he just hasn't taken possession of them yet), and you have to report the theft of waves Sasha's email implied to POLICE. You can't  sell the same assets twice!

Better than nothing!

https://onlinetaxman.com/fifo-vs-lifo-for-crypto-trades/


This is good advice I think, the WAVES swap trade happened just physical delivery of the crypto didn't, thanks, it makes perfect sense doesn't it Smiley
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