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January 11, 2014, 02:16:57 PM
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Will this implement coinjoin by default for transactions or enable one to participate continuously in the background when running?

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January 11, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
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Will this implement coinjoin by default for transactions or enable one to participate continuously in the background when running?

Doing Coinjoin transactions in the background sounds like a bad idea to me.

First, it would require a network-connected machine to have access to your private wallet keys.

Second, even if randomized, the "spam" transactions may be distinguishable from real transactions.

The way coinjoin integration should work is: if you don't need to send immediately, the client should look for other coinjoin participants.



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January 11, 2014, 05:09:06 PM
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lets wait for Zerocoin. thats a better solution:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992


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January 11, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
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lets wait for Zerocoin. thats a better solution:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992



where can i buy Zerocoin? Can´t find them on Coinmarketcap or other sites, which offer an overview of
existing crypto currencies. Or is Zerocoin still to launch?

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January 11, 2014, 05:19:05 PM
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Will this implement coinjoin by default for transactions or enable one to participate continuously in the background when running?

Doing Coinjoin transactions in the background sounds like a bad idea to me.

First, it would require a network-connected machine to have access to your private wallet keys.

Second, even if randomized, the "spam" transactions may be distinguishable from real transactions.

The way coinjoin integration should work is: if you don't need to send immediately, the client should look for other coinjoin participants.


I agree background transactions under the scenario you described would be a poor solution, one might easily imagine better implementations. 
The question was a sort of a shot in the dark as the Dark Wallet project seems opaque in what it delivers.
Is there some published feature list yet?  Or is it still at the stage of a bundle of hoped-for benefits and rhetoric?

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January 14, 2014, 03:57:25 PM
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well, I have been using the sx tools to manually build transactions: without having the coins actually stored on my machine until I move them.

The project seems to be a effort to tie together a bunch of separate tools that together can replace Bitcoind that tries to do everything.

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January 14, 2014, 08:09:38 PM
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well, I have been using the sx tools to manually build transactions: without having the coins actually stored on my machine until I move them.

The project seems to be a effort to tie together a bunch of separate tools that together can replace Bitcoind that tries to do everything.


We probably think about these terms differently.  So I translate in my head when I read this, so please excuse my misunderstanding.  I never think of coins as stored on any machine except all of them, in the block chain, but to me it seems what you are saying is that you have coins spendable by a private key which is only sometimes stored on your machine?
A private key can be recorded on a machine, or not.
Do you mean the private keys are on your machine only at the time of a transaction?

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January 14, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
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Do you mean the private keys are on your machine only at the time of a transaction?

Yes. I have been using Addresses generated off-line with Vanitygen. I only copy the private key immediately before sending the funds. Using this as an outline, but moving the private key step down

I installed multibit for "normal" transactions, but have not been able to actually spend any funds with it yet.

I think technically, all the coins are actually stored in the Block-chain Smiley

PS: I am not necessarily advocating other people adopt my practice. Manual transactions are error-prone and may involve unusually large mining fees if you are not careful.

I hope to upgrade to N-of-M +P2SH transactions for savings, but that is likely off-topic.

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January 14, 2014, 09:13:05 PM
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Do you mean the private keys are on your machine only at the time of a transaction?

Yes. I have been using Addresses generated off-line with Vanitygen. I only copy the private key immediately before sending the funds.

I installed multibit for "normal" transactions, but have not been able to actually spend any funds with it yet.

I think technically, all the coins are actually stored in the Block-chain Smiley

PS: I am not necessarily advocating other people adopt my practice. Manual transactions are error-prone and may involve unusually large mining fees if you are not careful.

I hope to upgrade to N-of-M +P2SH transactions for savings, but that is likely off-topic.


It seems a pretty safe method, except the needing to be careful part.
Sort of a manual form of trezor.

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January 14, 2014, 09:15:17 PM
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It seems a pretty safe method, except the needing to be careful part.
Sort of a manual form of trezor.

trezor  also does key calculations off-machine.

I reasoned that while a separate machine is ideal, malware can still piggy-back on USB keys.

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January 14, 2014, 11:17:48 PM
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lets wait for Zerocoin. thats a better solution:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362468.msg3878992#msg3878992



where can i buy Zerocoin? Can´t find them on Coinmarketcap or other sites, which offer an overview of
existing crypto currencies. Or is Zerocoin still to launch?


take a look at my link, first page.  Wink


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February 20, 2014, 11:26:37 AM
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Is there a site/blog (other than darkwallet.unsystem.net) where we can monitor the progress?
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February 20, 2014, 03:38:54 PM
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Darkcoin already has coinjoin working plus a few other thing in the pipeline.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0
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February 20, 2014, 04:00:47 PM
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Is it at all related to DarkWallet? Did DarkWallet ever even get started?
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February 23, 2014, 11:44:05 AM
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Is there a site/blog (other than darkwallet.unsystem.net) where we can monitor the progress?

Watching the code commits (https://github.com/darkwallet/darkwallet) seems to be the best way... the devs are not doing a good job on news updates and such.  But there is progress as you can see  :-)
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March 27, 2014, 04:46:43 PM
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It is amazing that, no matter how complex and math based this bitcoin Core ecosystem is, it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole. It is purely a reaction - counter reaction situation. We may not see the day of the end of this experimentation but I am grateful to be alive to see this.

The last IRS news makes me think how visionary Satoshi was.
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March 27, 2014, 04:52:20 PM
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it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole.


I like that quote!  So true

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March 27, 2014, 05:21:03 PM
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Please provide all infos about Dark Wallet to the central coin privacy thread.

It will be added to OP.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=539777
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March 28, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
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What does it do exactly.

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March 28, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
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It is amazing that, no matter how complex and math based this bitcoin Core ecosystem is, it is still very organic. Based on humans. The market will decide how far this experimentation is going as a whole. It is purely a reaction - counter reaction situation. We may not see the day of the end of this experimentation but I am grateful to be alive to see this.

The last IRS news makes me think how visionary Satoshi was.
Believe a bitcoin's coming, ups and downs, have greatly small disturbance, but can not be denied is the currency has the characteristics and Enlightenment of it, the future value of more people to be long-term focus. I hope we will be able to see all this

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