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October 31, 2013, 08:09:39 PM
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http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bitcoin-dark-wallet

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links to the founder of terrahash, good to see all the money that went missing went to good use.





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October 31, 2013, 08:16:19 PM
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links to the founder of terrahash, good to see all the money that went missing went to good use.

I wouldn't be worried, it's not like others involved in this thing were similarily involved in several 'hacked' exchanges.

Oh.. Oh wait.
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October 31, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
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Cool concept. I'll be sure to donate some.

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October 31, 2013, 08:29:09 PM
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Dark Wallet needs $50k to finish its development and testing
Why do they need $50k for that? are they hiring a software firm? Are they using the money to compensate themselves for the work they put in?

Their "dark wallet" is a browser plugin, so it's probably connecting to a third party server. Unless the plugin directly connects to the bitcoin network, it's far less secure and anonymous than the satoshi client.

A quick skim of their indiegogo page shows more idealism and buzzwords than any actual planning. This is mirrored by the massive gap between what they want for bitcoin (anonymity, resistance to censorship, anti corporation/goverment), and what they've done (browser plugin wallet).

tl;dr: a group with more ideals than work wants money

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October 31, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
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Some serious dudes and serious thinking behind this project. Will be watching closely.

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October 31, 2013, 08:45:59 PM
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nice video, nice idea. I'm going to try and explore some details.
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October 31, 2013, 09:09:55 PM
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Which comes first?

  • Donating $50,000
  • Finding out what it is and how it is supposed to work
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October 31, 2013, 09:17:49 PM
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http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6630/trustless-bitcoin-anonymity-here-at-last/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282086.0

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/what-libbitcoin-and-sx-are-and-why-they-matter/

http://libbitcoin.dyne.org/

http://libbitcoin.dyne.org/doc/

http://libbitcoin.dyne.org/libbitcoin.pdf

http://darkwallet.unsystem.net/

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/37516/amir-taaki-bitcoin-2013-plan-b-7/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1f19sr/interview_with_amir_taaki_about_libbitcoin_the/

http://sx.dyne.org/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291581

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50721.0

https://github.com/spesmilo/libbitcoin

https://github.com/spesmilo/obelisk

https://github.com/spesmilo/sx

http://www.ohloh.net/p/libbitcoin/estimated_cost

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this is not simple stuff, and we've already been working on this for 3+ years with no financial support fulltime.

cody is crystallising this together for us in a usable coherant whole as our director. we are a community and everyone is free to participate through our mailing list on unsystem.net

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October 31, 2013, 09:32:57 PM
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Another trick to get funded by the name Bitcoin. Tell me, what is wrong with Electrum? You make a wallet, you save your secret key, you dump your btc's on it which you want to preserve and you dump Electrum from your pc.
Electrum make hundreds of btc addresses and as long you use a different address for every transaction, you are anonymous as hell. Want to dump money again on your Electrum? Just install Electrum, give in your secret key and voila, there it is again.

Sorry, but i do not like these kind of fund raising ideas.There are people who deserve a lot more credits for making wallets then 50k $ for making another wallet.

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers

Yes, that sounds like exactly something I'd like to have installed on my PC and accessing my Bitcoin wallet, they seem like they're going to open source it but until I see that happen I won't touch it until other programmers have investigated it before hand.
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Another trick to get funded by the name Bitcoin. Tell me, what is wrong with Electrum? You make a wallet, you save your secret key, you dump your btc's on it which you want to preserve and you dump Electrum from your pc.
Electrum make hundreds of btc addresses and as long you use a different address for every transaction, you are anonymous as hell. Want to dump money again on your Electrum? Just install Electrum, give in your secret key and voila, there it is again.

Sorry, but i do not like these kind of fund raising ideas.There are people who deserve a lot more credits for making wallets then 50k $ for making another wallet.

Using multiple addresses doesn't make transactions untraceable, just more complicated.  There's a big difference between security and obscurity, and you're describing the latter.

Further, there is a big difference between anonymity and and privacy.  Bitcoin is already anonymous, but it has absolutely no privacy.
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October 31, 2013, 10:00:36 PM
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Security is in your hands, not only by a tool or plugin. Please remember that instead of giving all your trust to a tool/plugin. Even Linux is safe, but there are still holes in it. Don't get me wrong, i like the way people are working for the Bitcoin scene, but 50k for developing a plugin or hook is a lot of money.

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers
how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

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combine libbitcoin + electrum + hive: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322483.0
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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers
how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

usage: The words discrete and discreet are pronounced in the same way and share the same origin but they do not mean the same thing. Discrete means ‘separate,’ as in a finite number of discrete categories, while discreet means ‘careful and circumspect,’ as in you can rely on him to be discreet .

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers
how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

usage: The words discrete and discreet are pronounced in the same way and share the same origin but they do not mean the same thing. Discrete means ‘separate,’ as in a finite number of discrete categories, while discreet means ‘careful and circumspect,’ as in you can rely on him to be discreet .
in this case, i don't see how a browser plugin is more "discrete"(separate) than any other app.

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers
how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

usage: The words discrete and discreet are pronounced in the same way and share the same origin but they do not mean the same thing. Discrete means ‘separate,’ as in a finite number of discrete categories, while discreet means ‘careful and circumspect,’ as in you can rely on him to be discreet .
in this case, i don't see how a browser plugin is more "discrete"(separate) than any other app.

Sorry to carry on pedantically, but that would not be the 'discreetly' in the OP, but rather 'discretely':

discrete |disˈkrēt|
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individually separate and distinct: speech sounds are produced as a continuous sound signal rather than discrete units.
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how much bloat would ubiquitous use of this "trustless mixing" add to the blockchain?

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Using multiple addresses doesn't make transactions untraceable, just more complicated.  There's a big difference between security and obscurity, and you're describing the latter.

Further, there is a big difference between anonymity and and privacy.  Bitcoin is already anonymous, but it has absolutely no privacy.

This is why I don't really understand the privacy concerns:

You have some dirty bitcoins in your wallet.

You send these dirty bitcoins to another wallet you own.

If someone questions you about the second wallet, you say you bought them anonymously from local bitcoins.

Where is the problem?
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