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May 30, 2018, 12:50:35 AM
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RIP XVG - might be a good time to look into the $DAPS project - www.dapscoin.com

It seems they won't be vulnerable to these Time Warp attacks
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May 30, 2018, 12:52:57 AM
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https://dapscoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/daps-comparison-844x700.png
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May 30, 2018, 12:54:40 AM
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Quote from: cryptolovett on May 30, 2018, 12:52:57 AM
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seriously, it's not really the right place in this thread to promote another coin.....
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May 30, 2018, 12:58:00 AM
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When Verge will get attacked again and provide another faked fix ?  Cool
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May 30, 2018, 01:22:45 AM
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Quote from: cryptolovett on May 30, 2018, 12:50:35 AM
RIP XVG - might be a good time to look into the $DAPS project - www.dapscoin.com

It seems they won't be vulnerable to these Time Warp attacks

This project looks good, has great potential.
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May 30, 2018, 01:23:51 AM
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Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 12:54:40 AM
Quote from: cryptolovett on May 30, 2018, 12:52:57 AM
......

seriously, it's not really the right place in this thread to promote another coin.....

It is when the coin that is getting shafted NEVER listened to the DEVS of DAPS in regards to a fix for these time warp attacks
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May 30, 2018, 01:33:16 AM
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Quote from: StefanRvO on May 29, 2018, 09:31:31 PM
Quote from: Dogedarkdev on May 29, 2018, 08:59:17 PM
Quote from: StefanRvO on May 29, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Since the chain trust is only based on the length of the chain and not cumulated work, wouldn't it be quite easy to perform a double spend with much less than 51% hashrate?

On the original chain, send e.g. 10M XVG to an exchange.

While you wait for confirmations, start mining an alternative chain where you step down the difficulty by fakeing the timestamps. This should still be possible even though the maximum drift is changed to 10 minutes, it will just be somewhat slower. In this chain you include a transaction which invalidates your original transaction. Even if you only have e.g. 5% hashpower, your chain should eventually get longer than the original chain as it has much lower difficulty.

After you have converted the XVG to BTC on the exchange, you submit your privately mined chain to the network, and as it is longer than the original chain, it will cause the nodes to reorganize to your chain. Am I missing anything or would this be completly possible?
This would also make it possible to perform the attack with extremly limited ressources as you don't really have to compete with the honest miners.

that wouldn't work because the invalidation would also be accepted.

Could you expand on what you mean by the invalidation would also be accepted?

If you on your private chain sends the coins to yourself instead of the exchange, you will still own the coins when the network reorgs to your chain after you brodcasts your blocks.

bump for an unanswered serious question!
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May 30, 2018, 01:34:32 AM
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Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 12:42:37 AM
Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 12:41:15 AM
Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 12:34:20 AM
difficulty changed?  it must be 'hacked'  Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes
seems you get used to it after it's that funny ....  Wink

Actually, yeah. It is being attacked right now.

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lol that quote from ocminer means fukall my dude

Damn, you really are stupid. Those are blocks being mined at present. Do you know what that means?

anybody investigated this any further? News? Conclusion?
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May 30, 2018, 01:39:46 AM
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Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 01:34:32 AM
Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 12:42:37 AM
Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 12:41:15 AM
Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 12:34:20 AM
difficulty changed?  it must be 'hacked'  Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes
seems you get used to it after it's that funny ....  Wink

Actually, yeah. It is being attacked right now.

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lol that quote from ocminer means fukall my dude

Damn, you really are stupid. Those are blocks being mined at present. Do you know what that means?

anybody investigated this any further? News? Conclusion?

https://twitter.com/DZack23/status/1001591161285496832
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May 30, 2018, 01:47:15 AM
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Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 12:42:37 AM
Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 12:41:15 AM
Quote from: CHIEF56 on May 30, 2018, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: boxalex on May 30, 2018, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 12:34:20 AM
difficulty changed?  it must be 'hacked'  Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes
seems you get used to it after it's that funny ....  Wink

Actually, yeah. It is being attacked right now.

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lol that quote from ocminer means fukall my dude

Damn, you really are stupid. Those are blocks being mined at present. Do you know what that means?
yes.  it means  'fuck all'    watch the block explorer yourself.... everything is moving along fine lol
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May 30, 2018, 01:51:01 AM
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it's amusing to me that you people act like this matters in the long run 'at all'..... way to go short term vision... lol cause every other coin on earth hasn't had an issue from time to time lololololol
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but yeah you know... keep tryin to talk shit cause it may somehow boost your ego  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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pitiful noobs Wink  <3 <3 <3
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May 30, 2018, 01:55:38 AM
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Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 01:51:01 AM
it's amusing to me that you people act like this matters in the long run 'at all'..... way to go short term vision... lol cause every other coin on earth hasn't had an issue from time to time lololololol



I have both long term and short term vision. Both say its a shitcoin with a shitty developer and shitty cult following and shitty echo-chambers. Good luck stroking Verge!
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Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 01:54:40 AM
pitiful noobs Wink  <3 <3 <3


I am sorry but...


HAHAHA * Breath* HAHAHA

Not even taking sides in this debate but goddamn you are one stupid sob. Cheesy
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May 30, 2018, 02:03:26 AM
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Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 01:51:01 AM
it's amusing to me that you people act like this matters in the long run 'at all'..... way to go short term vision... lol cause every other coin on earth hasn't had an issue from time to time lololololol

And you with that behavour are really a Verge moderator on the VERGE Telegram channel??  Roll Eyes


Actually i'am speakless  Lips sealed
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May 30, 2018, 02:45:46 AM
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Quote from: siege3967 on May 29, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Would any verge supporter like to explain this? Negative balance: https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D7sbycsrSQpj6AjfjsHPb54fvEzN6JH3fp
has explaination on this been told?
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Quote from: drummerjdb666 on May 30, 2018, 01:51:01 AM
it's amusing to me that you people act like this matters in the long run 'at all'..... way to go short term vision... lol cause every other coin on earth hasn't had an issue from time to time lololololol



They haven't had the same attack occur twice even after multiple people pointed out it would happen to the dev. You have an incompetent dev Smiley
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Quote from: ktru19 on May 30, 2018, 02:45:46 AM
Quote from: siege3967 on May 29, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Would any verge supporter like to explain this? Negative balance: https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D7sbycsrSQpj6AjfjsHPb54fvEzN6JH3fp
has explaination on this been told?
No they simply can't explain it because they don't understand what's happening.
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Quote from: siege3967 on May 30, 2018, 03:09:19 AM
Quote from: ktru19 on May 30, 2018, 02:45:46 AM
Quote from: siege3967 on May 29, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Would any verge supporter like to explain this? Negative balance: https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D7sbycsrSQpj6AjfjsHPb54fvEzN6JH3fp
has explaination on this been told?
No they simply can't explain it because they don't understand what's happening.

Crickets.

That's OK tho. While I shouldn't need to, I'll break it down a little bit for them.

Notice anything suspicious about the transactions associated with that address?
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