BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)

[coinnewbit]

This is stealing and the behavior of the owners/operators is outrageous, in my opinion. That policy is completely unjustifiable and I hope nobody uses this site until it's changed.

Indeed, the owners of bitbet are hiding behind policies

[TwinWinNerD]

Circlejerking in here...

MP fap fap

People discussing how other people should run their business.  It's all the minuses of a circlejerk without the happy ending.

No, it is customers complaining. Most businessowners DO give a shit.

Your circlejerking "#bitcoin-assets" ring doens't give a shit. Why would you, you did enough to scam newbs out of money.

[MPOE-PR]

Circlejerking in here...

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People discussing how other people should run their business.  It's all the minuses of a circlejerk without the happy ending.

Lol.

But you don't understand! THEY HAD A POLL!

No, it is customers complaining. Most businessowners DO give a shit.

Your circlejerking "#bitcoin-assets" ring doens't give a shit. Why would you, you did enough to scam newbs out of money.

Actually that's exactly opposite of what's going on. Not that you're not welcome to your own mistaken opinion.

[TwinWinNerD]

Circlejerking in here...

MP fap fap

People discussing how other people should run their business.  It's all the minuses of a circlejerk without the happy ending.

Lol.

But you don't understand! THEY HAD A POLL!

No, it is customers complaining. Most businessowners DO give a shit.

Your circlejerking "#bitcoin-assets" ring doens't give a shit. Why would you, you did enough to scam newbs out of money.

Actually that's exactly opposite of what's going on. Not that you're not welcome to your own mistaken opinion.

That's not really an opinion and you know it. I know MPEx is a good exchange and it is good that you charge so much, so that you don't have to bother with newbs. But you can't tell me that you give a shit about newbz, because i read your channel long enough to know you guys. It is like a cult and you laugh your asses of if newbs fall for scams. Also you don't mind getting money from mistakes of newbs.

[MPOE-PR]

That's not really an opinion and you know it. I know MPEx is a good exchange and it is good that you charge so much, so that you don't have to bother with newbs. But you can't tell me that you give a shit about newbz, because i read your channel long enough to know you guys. It is like a cult and you laugh your asses of if newbs fall for scams. Also you don't mind getting money from mistakes of newbs.

Be specific. Use quotes.

[TwinWinNerD]

That's not really an opinion and you know it. I know MPEx is a good exchange and it is good that you charge so much, so that you don't have to bother with newbs. But you can't tell me that you give a shit about newbz, because i read your channel long enough to know you guys. It is like a cult and you laugh your asses of if newbs fall for scams. Also you don't mind getting money from mistakes of newbs.

Be specific. Use quotes.

when i get some time on my hands i will post some IRC logs. Not today though..

[MPOE-PR]

when i get some time on my hands i will post some IRC logs. Not today though..

Great, so you only walk around with your head some of the time. What do you do the rest of the time if it starts raining, say? Does it rain straight into your gullet?

[FalconFly]

Just my 2 cents :

- anyone willing or able to bet 10 BTC in gambling is an extreme risk-taker (or wealthy enough not to give a sh*t)
- anyone willing to gamble in online BTC gambling/betting sites must know all these only exist to take the gambler's money and are more or less pronounced scams intended only to skin the sheeple. There are no exceptions.
- anyone not extremely carefully researching every single rule and condition (to detect the traps) is likely gonna lose money - deal with it (remember these sites only exist for you to lose money in one form or another ?)

On a positive note, the OP would likely have lost that bet anyway.

Morale of the story :
a) gamblers are fools
b) a fool and his money are soon parted
c) never participate in online bitcoin betting or gambling, you'll be skinned in one way or another (that's how these "services" make money and their sole purpose)

Heed these lessions and you'll be spared of becoming a loser.

Last tip for the OP :
- locate the juristiction of that gambling site
- check approprate national law for validity of these business conditions (as expressed by their FAQ, which I'm 99% sure do not fulfill legal requirements regardless of juristiction)
- if found invalid (very likely), take a lawyer and go the oldschool legal way
- note that law virtually knows no borders (these are just delays that consume some time)

You might be surprised that the oldschool laws still work just fine in the bitcoin world, as nothing is truly anonymous on the Internet.
Keeping these matters in forum discussions usually gets you nowhere - they got the money and don't care (naturally never have) and are happy another fat victim fell into one of their traps. They feel anonymous. They feel safe.
Take it into the real world and teach them their percieved safety is an illusion and be consequent about it.

[TwinWinNerD]

when i get some time on my hands i will post some IRC logs. Not today though..

Great, so you only walk around with your head some of the time. What do you do the rest of the time if it starts raining, say? Does it rain straight into your gullet?

rofl, are you unable to dechiffre what i said? Do you keep quotes of everything?

[MPOE-PR]

- anyone willing to gamble in online BTC gambling/betting sites must know all these only exist to take the gambler's money and are more or less pronounced scams intended only to skin the sheeple. There are no exceptions.

That's perfectly ignorant bs.

- anyone not extremely carefully researching every single rule and condition (to detect the traps) is likely gonna lose money - deal with it (remember these sites only exist for you to lose money in one form or another ?)

Yeah, just like the legal system.

[tonyq]

never participate in online bitcoin betting or gambling, you'll be skinned in one way or another (that's how these "services" make money and their sole purpose)

Not true in any way, shape or form in my opinion.
A lot of punters (not all)  may be ground down mercilessly by the laws of mathematics over time  but to say the operators 'skinned' them is very unfair.

[FalconFly]

- anyone willing to gamble in online BTC gambling/betting sites must know all these only exist to take the gambler's money and are more or less pronounced scams intended only to skin the sheeple. There are no exceptions.

That's perfectly ignorant bs.

Unfortunately, that's the perfectly realistic truth.
If you haven't gotten around to realize that basic fact, I feel sorry for you and wish you the best of luck - you'll need it but eventually will run out of it.
You're either very young and haven't learned these basic lessons yet or too naive (or both).

never participate in online bitcoin betting or gambling, you'll be skinned in one way or another (that's how these "services" make money and their sole purpose)

Not true in any way, shape or form in my opinion.
A lot of punters (not all)  may be ground down mercilessly by the laws of mathematics over time  but to say the operators 'skinned' them is very unfair.

True in every single way, like it or not. These services aren't there for anyone's welfare or entertainment. They're after their money. Always have been since the dawn of gambling, always will be.
The bank always wins and above is the simple reason for that.
In the world of the internet, in fact 10x more than in classic casinos.
In the Bitcoin niche of the internet, in fact 100x more than classic casinos.

The "better" services skin the sheeple just a little bit, others are less covert about it.
To think otherwise would at best be... highly naive (and that's a very diplomatic understatement).

Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites.
The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays).

[MPOE-PR]

- anyone willing to gamble in online BTC gambling/betting sites must know all these only exist to take the gambler's money and are more or less pronounced scams intended only to skin the sheeple. There are no exceptions.

That's perfectly ignorant bs.

Unfortunately, that's the perfectly realistic truth.
If you haven't gotten around to realize that basic fact, I feel sorry for you and wish you the best of luck - you'll need it but eventually will run out of it.
You're either very young and haven't learned these basic lessons yet or too naive (or both).

never participate in online bitcoin betting or gambling, you'll be skinned in one way or another (that's how these "services" make money and their sole purpose)

Not true in any way, shape or form in my opinion.
A lot of punters (not all)  may be ground down mercilessly by the laws of mathematics over time  but to say the operators 'skinned' them is very unfair.

True in every single way, like it or not. These services aren't there for anyone's welfare or entertainment. They're after their money. Always have been since the dawn of gambling, always will be.
The bank always wins and above is the simple reason for that.
In the world of the internet, in fact 10x more than in classic casinos.
In the Bitcoin niche of the internet, in fact 100x more than classic casinos.

The "better" services skin the sheeple just a little bit, others are less covert about it.
To think otherwise would at best be... highly naive (and that's a very diplomatic understatement).

Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites.
The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays).

Dude, get off your retarded high horse, acquire a clue as to the things you're discussing, come back later or something. It's beyond ridiculous this carrying on, what the hell.

[FalconFly]

Dude, get off your retarded high horse, acquire a clue as to the things you're discussing, come back later or something. It's beyond ridiculous this carrying on, what the hell.

Oh, did I hit a nerve there ?

Sorry that such a simple truth hurts ya... But whenever that happens to you, it's time to reconsider your evaluations. Or deny it and wait until it hurts again another day - your call, I couldn't care less.
After all, it's a free world. Some people like getting burned more than once...

[Medz]

It's pretty weird how nobody in this thread cared to do some proper research instead of commenting

[jimmothy]

It's pretty weird how nobody in this thread cared to do some proper research instead of commenting

Care to elaborate enlightened one?

[Medz]

It's pretty weird how nobody in this thread cared to do some proper research instead of commenting

Care to elaborate enlightened one?

Well, for example you've been here for 8 months and you still don't have a clue. How come? Why don't you research the stuff you're commenting about? I don't get it really.

[jimmothy]

It's pretty weird how nobody in this thread cared to do some proper research instead of commenting

Care to elaborate enlightened one?

Well, for example you've been here for 8 months and you still don't have a clue. How come? Why don't you research the stuff you're commenting about? I don't get it really.

Still don't have a clue about what?

Are you just rambling now?

[SgtSpike]

It's pretty weird how nobody in this thread cared to do some proper research instead of commenting

Care to elaborate enlightened one?

Well, for example you've been here for 8 months and you still don't have a clue. How come? Why don't you research the stuff you're commenting about? I don't get it really.

Not much research is required to figure out that bitbet/MPOE-PR is outright stealing people's money.

[MPOE-PR]

It's pretty weird how nobody in this thread cared to do some proper research instead of commenting

Care to elaborate enlightened one?

Well, for example you've been here for 8 months and you still don't have a clue. How come? Why don't you research the stuff you're commenting about? I don't get it really.

Not much research is required to figure out that bitbet/MPOE-PR is outright stealing people's money.

Sure, about as much as is required to imagine GLBSE, Bitfunder, Havelock etc are making you peasants rich. GLWT.

See here.