[Weexchange issue] The fall of Ukyo III - Updates and references

[glendall]

I can't fathom what all Ukyo's indecision or difficulty at defining what the situation even is.  And boy, it sure is difficult to spend 8 seconds to explain it. But that's okay, it's only $1.5+ million dollars, no big deal  


edit: as a thought experiment, ask a friend -- preferably someone who doesn't know about bitcoin -- for their advice. Tell them the whole situation here, but exchange 'bitcoins' for 'gold bars' / 'hats' / 'jars of jam' or anything else to not confuse them.  See what they say. Many of you guys are in denial, the writing is on the wall here.  

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[pascal257]

it looks Ukyo is active and in better mood

<CoinFarmer> good evening
<CoinFarmer> any news regarding WeEx
<CoinFarmer> ?
<Ukyo> hopefully soon.
<CoinFarmer> good
<CoinFarmer> so I hope this story will have win/win ending
<Ukyo> I hope it has a win+/win+

I'd only say that if I actually increased the amount of bitcoins.

[bittymitty]

I think this means he was lucky on just-dice and we all get our BTC back. 

[Kosmatos]

A few minutes ago:

<Kosmatos> how long before we find out what's going on?
<Ukyo> two weeks
<Kosmatos> you're kidding, right
<Kosmatos> come on that's from the movie 'The Money Pit'
<Ukyo> don't know it
<Ukyo> but the situation is complicated and needs time
<Kosmatos> are you the real Ukyo?
<Ukyo> no, this isn't even a real chat. You're typing up a fake chat session
<Kosmatos> aren't they all?

[bittymitty]

just a few more lucky rolls...

[SebastianJu]

I got ukyo on irc a hour ago and asked where the announcement is since in my timezone the day was over then already. He mentioned its 5pm at his place. So from now its around 6 more hours time.

He wrote that he has to post something tonight but it sounded like its not what he hoped to post. Maybe delays with the developers or so.

Im tired in more than one way. Of this topic and i go sleeping now...

[stonehoo]

Can I say that F word?

[thecoinjournal]

I got ukyo on irc a hour ago and asked where the announcement is since in my timezone the day was over then already. He mentioned its 5pm at his place. So from now its around 6 more hours time.

He wrote that he has to post something tonight but it sounded like its not what he hoped to post. Maybe delays with the developers or so.

Im tired in more than one way. Of this topic and i go sleeping now...

Only a few hours left even in West America.

[bittymitty]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

[Kosmatos]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

[bittymitty]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

[ffwong]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

True. Though I also hope Ukyo is telling the truth, currently we cannot exclude the possibility of he is bullshitting.

[Kosmatos]

Okay, I see what you mean. There was someone who got a withdrawal, but it could be the exception that proves the rule...

[SOSLOVE868]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

[bittymitty]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...

[SOSLOVE868]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...

We can found a layer to doing this case ,no matter how many BTC we can get back ,we can give some percentage to the layers as the fees.
like if we get back 1000BTC in total ,we can pay the layer 100 BTC which mean 10%. 100BTC =almost 100000 USD ,I think this enough for the fees.

[steban]

Has any one tried to contact Jon Montroll over Facebook, or perhaps give him a call. 

This says he is in Dallas, Texas:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE&usp=sharing


Bitfunder was a well designed service, I bet he is a talented coder. Colored coins?

[N_S]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0

[Pompobit]

updated first post.

Here is the pastebin to last Ukyo chat on IRC: http://pastebin.com/VnYL63dr

[mgio]

Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...

I have no given up on Ukyo yet. I am going to give him a little more time and wait for his big announcement. (I actually know what his big announcement is, and if it is true and going to happen, it is very good news for all of us).

If it doesn't happen though, I will have no choice but to hire a lawyer. Presently, the outstanding amount owed to me by ukyo.loan is nearly $250,000. That is definitely an amount I can not let slide. Fortunately, I have plenty of other bitcoins used to fund a lawyer if necessary.

Like I said, though, I have talked to ukyo occasionally on IRC and have not given up on him yet. I'll give it another 2 weeks for now and see what happens.