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November 21, 2013, 04:39:14 PM
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Hello all,

I see lophie closed his thread to not disperse information among subforums, but Ukyo responded almost exclusively on the the securities board so I'm starting this new thread hoping in a better comunication from him.
He stated that:
The number of threads is becoming to great for me to post in all of them.

Please reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316546.380

I have started posting proof of transactions.
So, now he could use this as reference.


Please DO NOT POST HERE YOUR PROCESSING WITHDRAWALS, do it in the scam accusation thread, it is already filled with a lot of user's withdrawals infos and lophie is trying to track the amount of coins/usd stucked in weexchange.

Here I'll try to report in chronological order Ukyo's announcements about this mess, relevant infos and updates on successfull withdrawals (althoug up to now are very few).
 Many posts come from locked lophie's thread, so I couldn't simply quote them and copy&paste here, but had to wrap the contents and fix the reference links, so some link could be broken, tell me if you find something wrong (all the date post links from the lophie thread refer to 1 january 1970, I had to convert all dates to unix timestamp, but the correct date is reported in red above each post).

Also suggestions are welcome if you think I missed something useful.


Disclaimer: I have about 10.5XBT currently in processing status on weexchange


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UPDATE AFTER 4 YEARS: THEY CAUGHT HIM!

They got him  Cheesy

SEC Charges Former Bitcoin-Denominated Exchange and Operator With Fraud

SEC Charges Former Bitcoin-Denominated Exchange and Operator With Fraud
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2018-23

Washington D.C., Feb. 21, 2018 —
The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a former bitcoin-denominated platform and its operator with operating an unregistered securities exchange and defrauding users of that exchange.  The SEC also charged the operator with making false and misleading statements in connection with an unregistered offering of securities.

The SEC alleges that BitFunder and its founder Jon E. Montroll operated BitFunder as an unregistered online securities exchange and defrauded exchange users by misappropriating their bitcoins and failing to disclose a cyberattack on BitFunder’s system that resulted in the theft of more than 6,000 bitcoins.The SEC also alleges that Montroll sold unregistered securities that purported to be investments in the exchange and misappropriated funds from that investment as well.

“We allege that BitFunder operated unlawfully as an unregistered securities exchange.  Platforms that engage in the activity of a national securities exchange, regardless of whether that activity involves digital assets, tokens, or coins, must register with the SEC or operate pursuant to an exemption.  We will continue to focus on these types of platforms to protect investors and ensure compliance with the securities laws,” said Marc Berger, Director of the SEC’s New York Regional Office.

“As alleged in the complaint, Montroll defrauded exchange users by misappropriating their bitcoins and failing to disclose a cyberattack on the exchange’s system and the resulting bitcoin theft.  We will continue to vigorously police conduct involving distributed ledger technology and ensure that bad actors who commit fraud in this space are held accountable,” said Lara S. Mehraban, Associate Regional Director of the SEC’s New York Regional Office.

The SEC’s complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, charges BitFunder and Montroll with violations of the anti-fraud and registration provisions of the federal securities laws.  The complaint seeks permanent injunctions and disgorgement plus interest and penalties.

The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne Downes, and Valerie A. Szczepanik in the New York Regional Office.  Ms. Waxman and Ms. Szczepanik also are members of the SEC’s Distributed Ledger Working Group and the Enforcement Division’s Cyber Unit.  The litigation will be led by Dugan Bliss.  The case is being supervised by Lara S. Mehraban.

In a parallel criminal case, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York today filed a complaint against Montroll for perjury and obstruction of justice during the SEC’s investigation.  The SEC appreciates the assistance of the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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US Gov’t Indicts Founder Of Long Defunct Crypto Exchange BitFunder

The US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and Department of Justice (DOJ) have officially leveled charges against the founder of the now non-operational Bitcoin-dominated exchange BitFunder, Jon E. Montroll, Wednesday Feb. 21.

The SEC released a press statement Wednesday stating that they have charged Montroll, also known as Ukyo, with operating BitFunder as an unregistered securities exchange, defrauding the users of said exchange, and making “false and misleading statements in connection with an unregistered offering of securities.”  

The SEC alleges that both BitFunder and its founder Montroll defrauded exchange users by “misappropriating their bitcoins”, operated as an unregistered securities exchange, and failed to disclose a cyberattack which led to the loss of over 6,000 bitcoins.

In 2013, hackers exploited a weakness in BitFunder’s programming code to falsely credit themselves with over 6,000 bitcoins. In an effort to recuse himself of the responsibility of having lost what was then about $720,000, today worth over $60 mln, Montroll denied the success of the hackers, and additionally provided false balance statements to SEC investigators.

The formal complaint filed by the SEC charges Montroll with violations of the anti-fraud and registration provisions of US federal securities laws. According to the press release, ”[t]he complaint seeks permanent injunctions and disgorgement plus interest and penalties.”

The DOJ also announced today Feb. 21, that Montroll has been arrested and taken into custody by the federal government. The DOJ has charged Montroll with two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice. The counts of perjury and obstruction carry maximum sentences of 5 and 20 years, respectively.

Investor protection remains a priority concern for the federal government in these proceedings. Marc Berger, Director of the SEC’s New York Regional Office stated:

“...Platforms that engage in the activity of a national securities exchange, regardless of whether that activity involves digital assets, tokens, or coins, must register with the SEC or operate pursuant to an exemption.  We will continue to focus on these types of platforms to protect investors and ensure compliance with the securities laws.”

BitFunder ceased trading on Nov. 14, 2013 amid complaints about delayed and frozen withdrawals of funds, following the August hack. Adding to BitFunder’s woes from the hack, the exchange went bankrupt after, following a ban on US traders, American traders left the platform in droves.

At a senate hearing earlier this month, SEC Chairman Jay Clayton noted that, so far, every ICO-issued token the SEC has observed is likely a security under US law, regardless of how the issuer refers to or markets the token. As of December, 2017, Clayton noted that not a single ICO had registered their tokens with the SEC.



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Summary about last Updates:
- Cryptocyprus (from NEO&BEE) is now dealing with the weexchange issue.
- Ukyo updated the issue on Decmber 17, you can read his post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg4006582#msg4006582
- Ukyo is trying to liquidate his ActM shares to refunds a part of his debt
- Only 386 bitcoin are available, so you can withdraw up to 6% of your stucked XBT
- No ETA for when the remaining BTC will be returned and for an explanation about why all this mess started

LAST UPDATE:

Ukyo claimed he wants to liquidate his ActiveMining assets to reimburse a part of his debt with weex users. Actually Ken Slaughter, the CEO of ActiveMining, holds Ukyo's Activemining shares and explained we wants to sell the shares to pays back his personal company's debt with weexchange (106btc),
then give the remaining earnings to Ukyo.. Shares are being sold for 0.0005 XBT each one, so the total earning (if they are sold) would be 100XBT, just enough to pay back the Ken's debt. So nothing will be left for other weexchange users.

Ukyo is currently working for a portal to redeem Ukyo.loans

A site to withdraw a portion of your stucked XBT is up here: https://weexclaims.weexchange.co/main.php
Currently you can withdraw 6% of your XBT, hopefully you will able to withdraw the rest later

The thread started from cryptocyprus is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0

Last cryptocyprus' post about weexchange issue (upon my and stereotype's request) is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg4664866#msg4664866

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Relevant user's posts (Most recent first):

January 22, 2014, 03:40:41 PM (user's activity: 336)
We are selling Ukyo shares on Crypto-Trade to recover our losses on Bitfunder.

We will start moving Investors shares to Crypto-Trade within the next 7 days.


January 22, 2014, 04:15:24 PM (user's activity: 252)
I haven't touched anything from a technical standpoint, I'm not sure who Andreas A is to be honest. If it is Andreas Antonopolous then I would be surprised as he hasn't mentioned anything to me about helping Ukyo. I am trying in my spare time (of which I have very little of) to give Ukyo a helping hand with achieving a workable solution, to ensure he can pay everyone back and once complete he can pay me back.

January 22, 2014, 03:13:27 PM (user's activity: 252)

Helping Ukyo out is something that I am doing in my spare time for the benefit of everyone involved and getting help from others that work here in their spare time (of which no one has available right now). I have so little time at the minute to do anything other than attend meetings for Neo & Bee and travel to meetings which dominates my life due to the fact we are launching a multitude of businesses across the coming weeks. I am still personally committed to helping resolve this issue by helping Ukyo get everyone settled.


December 13, 2013, 09:58:21 PM (user's activity: 210)
As was announced earlier, most of the coins that were stored in WeExchange.co are now gone. We are still limited in what we can share about how that happened, and what is being done about it, but we do have some updates.

There are still approximately 386btc available in the wallets. These coins will be paid proportionally to all owed users, based on current user balances, by Monday night.

All old withdrawal requests will be removed and each user will need to initiate new withdrawals when this new balance is ready.

Full instructions on how to access the site to process these withdrawals will be provided by 5pm (GMT+2) on Monday 16th December, when you should be able to withdraw the portion of available funds allotted to your account.

This is far from ideal, but it gets every satoshi that is available to those with outstanding balances. When we are able, we will announce more details on what is being done to repay the remaining coins that are owed to WeExchange.co users.


December 07, 2013, 12:52:18 PM (user's activity: 196)
Apologies for the slight delay in getting this information out.

Jon (Ukyo) is now here with me in Cyprus to ensure this problem is resolved for everyone involved.

The bitcoins are simply not there anymore, we are continuing to work through the implementation of a number of solutions to correct the issue. We are hoping to have one of many very important announcements before the Christmas holidays that will enable the bitcoins to be returned to those that are owed, however the run up to the holiday period may cause delays in some aspects.

The solution will take time to pay everyone in full however, there will be no preferential payments and the payments will be distributed proportionally.

A full explanation as to why the bitcoins are no longer there, will be provided as soon as we possibly can.

Neo & Bee has no exposure to the liabilities of WeExchange. The solution will enable Neo & Bee and all of those involved in Bitcoin to benefit greatly in the future.

December 02, 2013, 12:20:18 PM (user's activity: 196)
From the Activemining thread (https://109.201.133.195/index.php?topic=297503.4220;topicseen):

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From Bitfunder shutdown notice:


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Notwithstanding the shut-down, the site will remain available for viewing and users will be able to request records from BitFunder until at least December 15, 2013.


It seems that Bitfunder has shutdown all of ActiveMining accounts.  This was expected due to my "Legal Demand For Payment" and the fact that I release the information about meeting with our lawyers.

This is also why we had a cutoff date on the transfers to AMC-TENDER"; however, I was still accepting transfers, but it was expected that Ukyo "God Of Bitfunder" would use his almighty power to shut off our accounts.  So the last transaction time to AMC-TENDER is 2013-11-30 20:35:59.  Any transfers after that date will be limbo, until we can get the records.  This will also apply to the automatic transfers that Ukyo promised on December 2.  In our law suite we will try and recover the records after the above date using discovery.
 
  
 
The more I read about Bitfunder the more I believe Ukyo is a scumbag scammer and I really hope getting involved with this guy won't damage the image of Neo.

If I held the same views on Ukyo, would I be getting involved? Certainly not! When people have their Bitcoin back because I stepped in to ensure this was fixed, how could that possibly reflect negatively on myself or Neo & Bee?

Its very easy to throw mud based on limited information, there is a valid reason as to why this information cannot be made public, at this moment in time, but that will change. Once it is public knowledge will all these people throwing mud be queuing up to apologize, I highly doubt it.

I have also made it known that anyone pursuing legal action should contact me personally or through their legal representative, if they want to save themselves a lot of time, effort and money.

November 30, 2013, at 08:44:33 PM (user's activity: 280)
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Bitfunder/WeExchange Problems:

We have ~106 BTC in the Bitfunder/WeExchange system which we can not obtain.  We have sent Bitfunder's/WeExchange's Ukyo a Legal Demand For Payment within 72 hours.  We expect this problem to result in the loss of the 106 BTC.  We are meeting with our Lawyers to determine what our next steps will be.  This 106 BTC has been deducted from our liquid cash position above.
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November 27, 2013, at 11:40:11 AM (user's activity: 196)

November 27, 2013, at 08:17:30 AM (user's activity: 196)
Hello everyone,

I know everyone here is waiting for "the big announcement".

I have been brought in by Jon (Ukyo) to help with the situation. For those who do not know me, I am Danny Brewster of Neo & Bee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.0;topicseen) Neo & Bee has agreed to take an active role in ensuring this situation gets resolved.

I have a full understanding of the situation and have agreed to work with Jon to help sort out the problem in the best and quickest manner possible. At this point in time it is no longer possible to be immediately able to pay out all users. Jon has been working to ensure that a process is in place to remedy this situation and to ensure that all users get the bitcoins owed to them. This is the unfortunate reality of the situation. The biggest question is going to be “why or how has this happened?” I will be providing the answer in full, however right now it is impossible for what I would describe as legal reasons, but the answers are coming, that I promise, but cannot give an exact time as to when this information can be made public.

To this end, we would like to ask that everyone continues to be patient while the final preparations are put in place that will allow for users to enable recovery of their funds, the holidays in the United States are not helping with this specific matter in the slightest.

Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Unlike other situations where an inability to payout bitcoins to users has occurred, Jon has been fully committed to ensuring that payouts will happen. He has not gone into hiding and continues to try to make himself available to people on IRC on a fairly consistent basis. You have trusted Jon with your bitcoins and as of right now, you are being told that there is no immediate solution. At this point, Jon has two options: first he can continue to work with the community to ensure that the issue is resolved properly, or he can throw his hands up and simply say "sorry, there’s nothing I can do". I prefer option one as I think many of you will as well, so that is why I am throwing myself and my team behind this effort to ensure solutions are implemented and successful.

I know both myself and Jon would like to be able to post everything out in the open to give a full explanation about everything that has brought everyone into this position and what is currently going on to resolve this issue. I understand that this is not the optimal solution for any one person, however we believe that it is the best solution for everyone.

You can have my word that everything conceivably possible, to resolve these problems are being done to the best of our abilities.

I would like to thank you for your understanding and cooperation so far and we look forward to having this situation resolved as soon as possible.

November 25 at 02:16:25 PM] (user's activity: 175)
In an IRC conversation between me and Graet, playing proxy between myself and Ukyo, I was told that Ukyo would make a statement to either myself personally or to the public today. Based on the nature of that conversation I fully expect Ukyo to follow through and provide a statement of some form. Sadly, I have no insight into what said statement may include.

KrimsonKla

November 22, 2013, at 08:38:22 PM (user's activity: 175)
"There is some light in the tunnel"

<Ukto> he
<Ukto> he
<Ukto> ... "heh"
<nsa_> hehe?
<Syloq> Ukto, hide, quick.
<nsa_> the "mob" is going to start a witchhunt soon.. what is the status?
<Ukto> i have brought in some other people to help with the situation
<Ukto> and work towards the fastest resolution.
<blastbob> Sounds good Smiley
<nsa_> what is the actual problem with bitcoind?
<Ukto> I am hoping to post some sort of update tonight if possible, but probably a real update Monday/Tuesday when everything can be put together at once
<Ukto> the world.
<Ukto> it was decided to stop handing out small bits of information causing misinformation
<Ukto> until we can give a full an accurate explanation
<the20year1> yay
<Ukto> so please work with me on this for the moment.
<Ukto> I am not dissapearing, and have no intentions to
<Ukto> I have just been very very busy lately trying to work on everything being pushed on me
<Ukto> but, i have to get back to the current crap
<Ukto> i'll be back around a bit later
<the20year1> joy
<Ukto> wish i had better news
<Ukto> but there is some light in the tunnel
<Ukto> afk

November 22, 2013, 12:54:18 PM (user's activity: 210)
I did catch him earlier(by skype voice). I told him he really needs to post -something-, put it that way.

For now we should sit tight. We're all in this boat and going off on one isn't going to fix anything. He knows how frustrated people are, and I can tell that the guy is super stressed (as he should be).

I do know he has plans for WeExchange as he's said here, and he can't proceed with anything until this issue is resolved. There is no reason to think he's run off with the money since he's not anonymous and has everything to lose if this goes bad. I also know he's been seeking help from other devs in the Bitcoin world, which I think he's posted about previously.

This contrasts with the TradeFortress situation. Please don't confuse the two.

He's definitely trying to resolve things, but obviously I'm not exactly happy as I'm owed one of the larger sums. Even so, I do think we should give this another week or two to get sorted.

The lack of anonymity is crucial here, ukyo is not going anywhere. The important thing is resolving the situation rather than making it worse.

I have over 75 BTC waiting, which is most of my liquid funds, and I know others who have more at stake who've agreed to give this a bit more time, so I hope some of you can too.

I'm travelling now but I'll have another catch up early next week (Monday or Tuesday).


November 21, 2013, 10:49:57 AM (user's activity: 5)
Yeah. I have the same. Processing, Processing, Processing....

BUT:  There was one Transaction with a very small amount 2 weeks or something Processing und 3-4 days ago: Completed!

So, at least there is hope...

My Opinion: After Bitfunder closed, - WeExchange had a lot of trouble with beeing the only one Partner for Instant Exchange to BF.




November 20, 2013, 09:25:37 PM (user's activity: 5)
I did have a withdraw completed in November.

I don't know if this helps or not, if I understand correctly there are still October withdraws that are not yet done and this was from early November.

Date   2013-11-03 15:55:49
Transaction ID   Ug3rfwbCV0dBAxeQHVKclVMyTglDjPs6
Type   Withdraw
Debit   7.03271000 BTC
Credit  
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   0d0dc03db421619ebcfa85292c0478a8fcd5fc65424b2af786730ef30542fb6b
Status   Completed

I have a few more withdraws that are still processing.

I know everyone here is stressed out, I can say with confidence that Ukyo is under great stress as well, regardless of his machinations.

EDIT: There was no help ticket associated with this withdraw, it just worked. I did not learn there was a withdraw problem until the next day.



November 19, 2013, 08:11:11 PM (user's activity: 238)
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(19:09:16) Ukto: for the record, I _am_ here. i have not dissapeared.
(19:09:23) Ukto: I am working on doing everything in my power to get everything to everyone
(19:09:26) Ukto: I am not going to dissapear
(19:09:35) Ukto: if I was going to, I would have already.
(19:09:49) Ukto: I want to get the new weexchange online. It has huge oppertunity
(19:09:53) Ukto: but i have to sort this problem first
(19:09:57) Ukto: and my time is highly limited
(19:10:30) Ukto: as soon as I have a real update for the forums I will post one.
(19:10:47) Ukto: I just have no real update at themoment except that I am here, and I am trying to make it work
Fresh from #bitfunder



November 19, 2013, 11:57:18 AM (user's activity: 150)
I have withdrawal request from October 23rd and support ticket from the same day.
I was waiting one month and checking my BTC address balance every day.
Today I found my withdrawal canceled and this message as a response to the support ticket:
Hello,

We are having issues with bitcoind and getting it to send large amounts without taking long periods of time.
I have canceled these two withdraws, could you please resubmit them in about 20 btc amounts so we have a proper withdraw request for each transaction? Please update this ticket so I can make sure you hold your place in withdraws.

Thank You,
WeExchange Customer Service
Well, I believe I made it clear that I want withdraw the BTC.
If it was a problem to process a larger sum they could have divided it into smaller ones.
Now I have re-created withdrawals as limited to 20BTC ... and expect to have it processed in place of original withdrawal ...
Otherwise it's time to bring lawyers in.

I was convinced that Ukyo is brave and honest guy ... today I start to have doubts



November 16, 2013, 10:08:56 PM (user's activity: 10)
It was a very stressful few weeks, but I finally received my Bitcoins  Smiley. Thank you Ukyo.
Good luck and see you all later.

-carnivale


November 16, 2013, 09:54:42 PM (user's activity: 210)
Quote from: kleeck link=topic=316546.msg3604813#msg3604813
WeExchange Transaction Confirmation:

I was contacted today, 11/16/2013, at 14:19:27 by Ukyo to confirm the transaction of 19.11521709 BTC from WeExchange to address 1H9TFQM8qxzT2Wwdq5TVGDQ1UhxhXJXs7q.

https://blockchain.info/address/1H9TFQM8qxzT2Wwdq5TVGDQ1UhxhXJXs7q

The transaction completed successfully as can be seen at the Blockchain address.

Thank you.


November 16, 2013, 04:47:41 PM (user's activity: 19)
Ukyo asked me to watch https://blockchain.info/address/16zHkphBn9FjfNNrHLZJcCwQTnfSCMors1 for "about 8.6btc" around 6.20 PST.

At some point after the transaction, I saw the address getting funded.

I have no idea what is going on here. Nor do I want to.


November 16, 2013, 01:50:41 PM (user's activity: 34)
Ukto asked me to witness a payment of BTC26.42 to this address  https://blockchain.info/address/1PyxKKtughgJKZkAv15MW8YgZdiYLviLQu

I don't have any stuck withdrawals and all my transactions from Bitfunder and WeeX worked fine

November 16, 2013, 11:13:36 AM (user's activity: 106)
yes, a friend  of mine have been get through withdraw (1/11) 

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Relevant Ukyo's posts about weexchange issue (most recent first):

Jauary, 24, 2013, 05:25:35 AM
Repeated cross-post from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4699685#msg4699685

Ken Slaughter thinks his personal debt is more important than all other Weex users and is using his book education in Indian law to personally keep 100+ BTC worth of shares that I have been trying to sell to distribute to WeEx debtors.

He has gone as far as laugh it off with "good luck gong to belize to sue us"


I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.

Also from PM:
Just to give you a fair warning, there are a lot of laws in the us about disclosing customer information.

Good luck going to Belize to sue us.

I will explain it to you, a corporation has a lien on its shares for any sums owed by a shareholder, so we have a lien on your shares.  You are the owner of Bitfunder and the funds where on Bitfunder.  Because they where transferred to WeEx in a contract that you had with them does not relieve you of your obligation to pay us our funds.  Also, 38 BTC was left on Bitfunder and I have screenshots of it being there.  I did not authorize it to be transferred to WeEx.

The shares have a lien on them.  You are hereby notified that if the ~100 BTC is not paid in the next 10 days, we will sell your shares to the public to satisfy your debt to the company.  Should the shares not satisfy your debt to the company you will still be liable for the remaining debt.  Any amouts over the debt will be disperse to you less any cost of the sale.

I appreciate your 'good luck to sue us'. That's a real show of character.
I suggest all shareholders take heed of this warning.
What is wrong with posting your history? Are you afraid of something? You seem pretty concerned if your willing to make threats over it.

Notice was given 45 days before the transfer from BitFunder to WeExchange.
The site was shutting down and it was known to you that the only method of bitcoin transfer is via WeExchange which you accepted and used.

You should have no funds left on BitFunder. Any account that was properly linked (Which would be the ActM official account) had its full balance transferred. I think everyone is well aware that only a few people who had linking issues with weex have a small stuck balance.

How is it you have an account with 38btc that is not ActM that you are linking into this?
How many more accounts exactly did you create for trading on BitFunder than the handful I know of?
I suppose I will have to do a more in depth search on all of you ip addresses, linked accounts and addresses.
Why have you not claimed or reported this stuck 38btc prior?
You have not mentioned the 6% claimed from the portal yet either and subtracted that.

In the end, your argument is that I owe you XXX btc personally.
If your argument holds up then that means you are not the only debtor.
If this was the case, as someone mentioned prior, any funds of mine would need to be proportionally distributed.
This is not a mechanics lien.  You did not do work or provide services. You do not have first right to the funds.
Also I see you are not including "legal costs" of unspecified amounts into what you plan to take from any proceeds.
It sounds like no matter what, your intention it to keep 100% for your personal issues.

And just because you are CEO of a company does not mean you can abuse that authority on behalf of your own personal
problems and desires.

So to be clear, you are using your position as CEO of a company to force a sale of a shareholders shares to ensure your personal BTC losses are covered before other debtors can claim their portion when you have absolutely no evidence to show that the shareholder has directly owes you anything.

You do understand the difference between a corporation and an individual?
I hope you have this same understanding with accounting practices and funds.

WeExchange has a debt to many individuals and not just you.

Again, why the sudden rush and need to sell the shares? Why can't they just be locked worst case scenario?
You seem desperate. Why? I figure it will take you at least 2~3 more months to finish buying back ActM shares.
Why the need for threats? What is it you are so afraid of?

I bet people would love to see the complete shareholder listing as it stands. Would probably be more interesting
if ownership names could be included / proven.

Also, for a lien you must file something, somewhere with a valid reason and provide notification to the person you are filing against.
Normally, unless it is a mechanics lien, you file a lien against a person or entity.

I think you need to talk to your Belize lawyers and not whatever lawyer gave you a book quote rather than an official statutory listing.
(Personally, I would fire that lawyer and hire a new one.)

I found your link very interesting though. How about linking some documentation regarding Belize Corporate law instead?
Unless this is a confession that you are operating as a Indian entity and these are shares of an Indian entity?
You do realize that book is about Corporate laws in India... right? Your lawyer must be short on time and not taken notice.
Next time you are gasping at straws, you should check the first few chapters for relevance and stop trying to mislead people.

(For those of you who are curious, start with page 2. Definition of a company regarding the Companies Act of 1956. (India) and
the following line of "a company formed and registered under previous Company Laws in India."
I am going to go out of my way to say that you have had absolutely zero legal advice and are acting solely based on random google searches
and relying on "Well let him try something." rather than doing things properly.
I truly hope for those who have invested into ActM that you run your business better than this.

Please stop being inconsistent and show people if you actually have an understanding of the things you are talking about.
It's almost like you are purposefully misleading people.

(For anyone curious, feel free to call a US corporate lawyer for a free consultation and ask about shareholder rights and liens.)
Then again, that's US law, not Brazilian.

I response to your unofficial "notice of lien" hereby request that you post the contact information for your corporate Belize lawyers or PM it to me so I can contact them to make arrangements so this can be handled properly and officially. I will make sure that any documents are released to the public so they are fully aware of the situation.

Please keep in mind that your professional manner in handling this situation dictates how you will and ActM will be viewed going forward.
As a ActM shareholder and I am sure many others agree, if ActM is to succeed, it must act properly and not arbitrarily or expose the
company to unnecessary risks.

Stop acting so desperate and do things right.

Thank You,
Ukyo


December 27, 2013, 04:59:32 PM
I think there has been enough speculation now.
The short of it, is that the funds are not available for distribution.
This is fact. Reasoning behind it won't change this.
We are doing what we can to make funds available to users.
The holidays have greatly disrupted any if not all potential business activity for the past few weeks.
Right now my biggest goal is to get AM claim system up while keeping everything else moving as best as things allow in the mean time.

I will post an update as soon as the AM claim portal is ready.

Thank you for your continued patience.

-Ukyo

November 16, 2013, 11:52:13 AM
Hello Everyone,

I would like to say thank you to everyone for being patient and understanding during these difficult times.

All BTC stuck on WeExchange.co has been migrated to a new claim portal. You will notice your BTC balance
on the main weexchange site zero out. Withdraws via the portal will list in your weexchange.co history.
As funds become available they will be dispursed proportionally on this portal for immediate withdraw.
The first round has been dispersed and is ready. Please keep in mind that the amount and percentage
of bitcoins being released is effected by many variables as we tried to make as much available as possible.

Login details are the same as the weexchange.co site.

Below is a link to a weexchange.co claim portal.
https://weexclaims.weexchange.co/

Now, many of you are still quite concerned over the situation, which given the little information released
is sadly expected. I will address what concerns I can for now.

First off, Danny:
Danny has been extremely helpful and supportive of getting things moving forward. Danny has "not" been paid
off or made any offer of early compensation for his help. In fact he made the opposite offer to take his last
after everyone else. He is the real deal when it comes to wanting to help the community and put the community
first. Several other people, some vocal and some not have also been very helpful and this has been much appreciated.

Secondly, Identification documents:
For legal reasons, and as much as we would like, we can not just purge the data. There are many many factors
behind this. The data is kept off-system. This data (and any other data) has not been compromised.

Thirdly, BitFunder remaining balances:
There are a very small number of users on BitFunder who still have balances and need to transfer out due to
WeExchange account linking and various other reasons. Users in this situation are not out of luck for the first
disbursement. As the problems are worked through on BitFunder, the remaining balances will get moved into
the new claim portal and they will be able to collect their equal distribution.

Fourth, Ukyo.Loan shares:
A portal for shares is being setup for claiming shares where users can put in redemption requests. I stopped
depositing interest payouts through BitFunder due to the problems with WeExchange. All interest owed will be
paid out and redemption requests will be honored as soon as it is possible.

Fifth, G.AsicMiner-PT:
A few weeks ago, I sent FriedCat an email and asked him to hold dividends for the AM shares being held. He still
sent that weeks dividends which I currently hold in a separate wallet apart from WeExchange. At that point
all shares were accounted for by dividend payout calculation. (The only method to track shares directly held.)
No transfers have been made since so all shares should be 100% accounted for. I spoke to FriedCat and he agreed
to hold the future dividends and will disperse them as he processes the transfers. Many users have asked to not
use their email address, or public bitcoin address, etc for the transfer and dividends. So it was decided
to use the same portal as the loan shares or a third portal for transfer management so users can decide what
bitcoin address to send the held dividends to, and what email/bitcoin address to list with FriedCat.
FriedCat will get a weekly lists of transfers and will payout the remaining held dividends he is holding.

I want to make one thing very clear. We are working very hard trying to do everything we can to ensure all
users will be able to claim a full 100% of the amount stuck.  No one set out with or currently has the
intention to scam anyone. That is why we are here and doing all this. The available bitcoin issue is not due
to me spending other peoples bitcoins or accidentally deleting the wallet. It is your choice to believe it or not.

As for "getting bitcoins out of him" goes, no matter which direction you may choose to pursue, at this point
all bitcoins we have access to at this moment have been distributed. If more were available, they would be distributed.
As bitcoins become available, they will be distributed via the portal.

I have seen some people talk about meeting up with me. I think this is a great idea. Let me state however, more
details than what you are getting here will not be available and I will not be able to make any "special arrangements".
I state again, no matter what is said or done, I will not be able to "speed things up". This is something we simply
do not have control over. I do think it would be a good idea to have more community interaction though. If you are
interested, PM me on the Forums or IRC and we can try to pick a date between Christmas and New years and a place that
is easy for all in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. If you PM me here, please use the subject "DFW MEETUP" because as you
can imagine I get quite a few PMs and as much as I want to respond to them all, it is very difficult with already
limited time.

And yes, I am still in Cyprus due to an unexpected problem wth the flight and expect to be home for the holidays.

Once again, I would like to extend my deepest apologies for the situation and thank everyone for their patience and
understanding. We will continue to work towards all solutions that will help to correct for this.

Thank You,
Jon Montroll / Ukyo

November 16, 2013, 03:13:42 PM
This is great, Ukyo, and I appreciate that you are working hard to fix this problem. But most of us would like to know:
a)When will you finish October 23rd wihdrawals?
b)When will the rest of October be done?
c)When do you expect to fix bitcoind or migrate to a different system?

Personally, I am checking blockchain.info at least 3 times a day for my transaction, and I will post here as soon as I receive it.

a: Just a couple left. Looking ahead I am expecting to get to or through the 26th today. Possibly 28th. There were less requests these days.
b: I am hoping for Monday assuming there is no fix before. There were a larger number of withdraws on the 28th.
c: I am still really hoping to get things cleared up this weekend.


November 16, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
To be clear, that was a random person. The address listed was not his nor was the withdraw.

I will continue to randomly ask people to help with this.

Please keep in mind, out of thousands of users on BitFunder, very few have posted here and seem to be looking at this thread.

If any of these transactions that I do this way throughout are yours feel free to claim them or not for privacy reasons but at least state you got your withdraw.


Also, the minimal withdraw on BitFunder has been lowered to 0.00000001 so users with any balance can withdraw.

-Ukyo


November 13, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Of course no new withdraws are working.
I have stated over and over that bitcoind is in a constant state of non-use by the system because it either in startup/wallet loading mode, or locked up due to the latest transfer request.

Let me repeat again.
During startup, bitcoind does not respond to RPC calls.
Once it is up, I make a transfer. The moment I make the transfer, no matter what hardware is provided, it goes to 100% resources and fails to respond to any RPC requests, even after the transaction eventually makes it to the network.

-Ukyo


November 13, 2013, 05:58:41 PM
Yes, I was helping with asicminer. Divs were only delayed that one week because of FriedCat shorting the div amount and I was waiting for the rest.

I think we will be done with the 23rd today. The next few days had a lot less transactions as I mentioned before.

-Ukyo


November 12, 2013, 01:09:08 AM
WeExchange is about to make a rather important and very positive announcement about the immediate future.
There is every reason to work on WeExchange.


November 11, 2013, 10:06:44 PM
I have tried moving bitcoind to extremely powerful systems.
This did not make a difference.

I talked to a dev about running multiple copies of the wallet, however doing so could cause the private keys/keypool between the wallets to diverge and cause more problems.


November 10, 2013, 08:14:29 PM
I actually have been doing that to get more of the smaller ones done I am skipping around a large withdraw for about 30 minutes to be able to get 4 or 5 out during the same time of the bigger withdraw. It has also been hit or miss. From what I can tell, and note that I am not a bitcoind dev and have not looked at the source, that the issue seems to be bitcoind trying to located unspent inputs to put together to send out. Although this should be a fairly easy process and fast process as I have noticed most transactions do not have more than 5 to 10 inputs. All I can think of is that it has something to do with key management of such a large volume of keys.

-Ukyo


November 10, 2013, 07:14:06 PM
We are now over halfway through Oct 23rd requests. The next couple days withdraws mostly consist of smaller transactions so I think those should go a bit quicker.

Please keep in mind, we have been getting 50 to 100 withdraw requests a day.
At 20 to 50 minutes per manual transfer it is taking a while. We also noticed that larger transactions such as 50btc end up taking about 30 minutes before seeing them advertised to the network, and around 100btc taking as much as a full hour.

The other day I attempted to just move all funds to a new wallet and waited for a bit over 3 hours and the transaction never completed to the network.
At that point I returned to manual transactions. In the mean time I am working on a new system for better load handling and a method try to import the current wallet data to it so that as soon as it is ready we will be able to speed through the remaining withdraws at that time.

At this point I can understand if you wish to open a scammer tag. This has been a very unfortunate event that really caught me off guard but I will work through
everything as fast as bitcoind will let me and continue to work on the quick/permanent fix. I will not fight it but will continue to work through things to fix them and make everything right by everyone. Though if you do open one, I ask that you update it when your withdraw does eventually show up.

Many many transactions go out every day. Many people become happy about their funds and don't bother to post here or do not even know to post here.
I again would like to remind those users who are reading this that if you get your withdraw, please post here so everyone else knows. While I understand your
privacy matters, I am sure people will also be happy to know the amounts too, esp. if you are one of the larger withdraws.

Please keep in mind that BitFunder had almost 10,000 user accounts. I am sure you could imagine the massive spike in withdraws over the last few weeks on WeExchange.

Thank you for your continued understanding and support.
-Ukyo


November 05, 2013, 12:19:53 AM
Nope, didn't miss that. And wasn't surprised to see it. Ukyo said there would be an announcement later today after which he would have more time to deal with weexchange issues. From the sound of it, weexchange will be sorted out properly in a few weeks but for now we just need the wallet to work again.

Let's hope much much much sooner than a few weeks..
That seems excessive...


October 30, 2013, 07:04:50 PM
WeExchange has many many support tickets, all being handled in order.
There are technical issues with bitcoind timing out due to maxing out excessive ram & cpu no matter how much is made available to it.

You can view your addresses by clicking 'Profile'.
You can also 'Add Address' there as well as which one is your primary address. If you need this updates, please open a ticket.

I have looked into your account, and see where you did have a stuck 70btc transaction.
Looking further I see where after fixing it, your second transaction for 70btc was stuck again and was immediately fixed while we monitored it.
Within minutes afterwards you were able to withdraw more than 70btc worth.

As I stated, there are thousands of requests to be handled currently between ID requests, multiple duplicate id requests that still take time to process, users with multiple tickets asking when their id requests will be handle, users with real support requests, and users with multiple tickets open when the real requests will be looked into, not to mention all of the support tickets on BF, and the PM's I receive here, and all the code and prep work for the upcoming updates to BF as well as id verification's that need to be completed less than 48 hours from now, as well as continuing to spend time trying to identify the issue with bitcoind.

Contacting me directly is not a good reason for me to give anyone preference over another. The more time I have to spend answering questions of 'how long' and duplicate tickets, the longer it will take to get to the actual problems.

Rewriting the whole withdraw mechanism for constant retry's is certainly a good 'patch' fix but there is no time for that right now and will be at least a week out.

All users are being handled in order. No exception as it is not fair to someone else.
Now, I am going back to focusing on handling requests.

-Ukyo

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Thanks for making this thread.

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2013-10-28 14:46:35   Withdraw        11.XXXXXXXX BTC        Processing   
2013-10-28 14:44:49   Instant Payment From: BitFunder        11.XXXXXXXX BTC        Completed

Nothing yet.

All I wanted was to transfer my G.Asicminer-PT shares to Havelock, by selling them on Bitfunder, withdrawing, then repurchasing on Havelock. This was the day before TATI announced they would do this without the 1 BTC fee and that the G.Asicminer-PT shares would also be transferred.

Gangsta's paradise.





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2013-10-28 14:46:35   Withdraw        11.XXXXXXXX BTC        Processing   
2013-10-28 14:44:49   Instant Payment From: BitFunder        11.XXXXXXXX BTC        Completed

Nothing yet.

All I wanted was to transfer my G.Asicminer-PT shares to Havelock, by selling them on Bitfunder, withdrawing, then repurchasing on Havelock. This was the day before TATI announced they would do this without the 1 BTC fee and that the G.Asicminer-PT shares would also be transferred.

Gangsta's paradise.

You should post this here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337523

Please ALWAYS contact me through bitcointalk pm before sending someone coins.
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Link to my post after speaking to Ukyo today. Not a lot of news to report but he's alive and working on solutions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337523.msg3668630#msg3668630
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Thanks for making this thread.

you are welcome


Link to my post after speaking to Ukyo today. Not a lot of news to report but he's alive and working on solutions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337523.msg3668630#msg3668630


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2013-11-05 00:15:54   Withdraw   3.60017775 BTC      Processing   



ukyo, where are you now?
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I did catch him earlier. I told him he really needs to post -something-, put it that way.

For now we should sit tight. We're all in this boat and going off on one isn't going to fix anything. He knows how frustrated people are, and I can tell that the guy is super stressed (as he should be).

I do know he has plans for WeExchange as he's said here, and he can't proceed with anything until this issue is resolved. There is no reason to think he's run off with the money since he's not anonymous and has everything to lose if this goes bad. I also know he's been seeking help from other devs in the Bitcoin world, which I think he's posted about previously.

This contrasts with the TradeFortress situation. Please don't confuse the two.

He's definitely trying to resolve things, but obviously I'm not exactly happy as I'm owed one of the larger sums. Even so, I do think we should give this another week or two to get sorted.

The lack of anonymity is crucial here, ukyo is not going anywhere. The important thing is resolving the situation rather than making it worse.

I have over 75 BTC waiting, which is most of my liquid funds, and I know others who have more at stake who've agreed to give this a bit more time, so I hope some of you can too.

I'm travelling now but I'll have another catch up early next week (Monday or Tuesday).

We need to make a master plan which we would operate to make a pressure on Ukyo, I assume that everyone would like to get it's own coins back instead stalking and putting Greame into jail, right? I think he made a mistake and his intentions weren't to cheat WeEx members. I think the law suit is last thing that we should do.

We shouldn't work in rush and trying to make justice fast, we should make it as professionals in business do, patience in this situation is crucial, of course also finding personally Ukyo and punching him is not solution. Please treat him as a partner in negotiations with liquidity issues, and try to find solution win/win.


As you said that we'll wait until end of this week. After all we have to follow with below plan:

1) Choose mediator whom would commucate with Greame on behalf of creditors to provide us clear and transparent current status (should be choosed via voting, I propose to candidature of ff69, blastbob, Tyrion70, Lophie of course if they'll agree for that function) - deadline (end of W48/2013)

2) Mediator and we should find as many creditors as possible in similiar situation and put them together into one group + verify their IDs and reliability (end of W49/2013)

3) Mediator contact with Ukyo and ask for proof of reliability - Ukyo will have a time until end of W50

4) Depending on reply from Ukyo we should see two scenarios
a. Ukyo will show the funds until end of W51 - then he has to transfer BTC until end of W52 (end of story - everyone happy)
b. Ukyo won't prove his funds, deadline until end of W51 => proceed to point 5)

5) Clear statement from Ukyo side - what exacly happened with our BTC until end of W52 (if don't proceed to point 7)

6) How many coins of required sum he has? Maybe we could start negotiations to retreive partially our BTC from WeEx e.g. 70% of BTC (has to be decided by vote) - if we won't find any agreement satisfying both sides we have to proceed to next point - deadline end of W01/2014

7) Hire lawyer and ask for representing us as a creditors community (someone from Australia has to do it - mediator has to find out someone) until end of W02/2014

What do you think? Any suggestions?

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I did catch him earlier. I told him he really needs to post -something-, put it that way.

For now we should sit tight. We're all in this boat and going off on one isn't going to fix anything. He knows how frustrated people are, and I can tell that the guy is super stressed (as he should be).

I do know he has plans for WeExchange as he's said here, and he can't proceed with anything until this issue is resolved. There is no reason to think he's run off with the money since he's not anonymous and has everything to lose if this goes bad. I also know he's been seeking help from other devs in the Bitcoin world, which I think he's posted about previously.

This contrasts with the TradeFortress situation. Please don't confuse the two.

He's definitely trying to resolve things, but obviously I'm not exactly happy as I'm owed one of the larger sums. Even so, I do think we should give this another week or two to get sorted.

The lack of anonymity is crucial here, ukyo is not going anywhere. The important thing is resolving the situation rather than making it worse.

I have over 75 BTC waiting, which is most of my liquid funds, and I know others who have more at stake who've agreed to give this a bit more time, so I hope some of you can too.

I'm travelling now but I'll have another catch up early next week (Monday or Tuesday).

We need to make a master plan which we would operate to make a pressure on Ukyo, I assume that everyone would like to get it's own coins back instead stalking and putting Greame into jail, right? I think he made a mistake and his intentions weren't to cheat WeEx members. I think the law suit is last thing that we should do.

We shouldn't work in rush and trying to make justice fast, we should make it as professionals in business do, patience in this situation is crucial, of course also finding personally Ukyo and punching him is not solution. Please treat him as a partner in negotiations with liquidity issues, and try to find solution win/win.


As you said that we'll wait until end of this week. After all we have to follow with below plan:

1) Choose mediator whom would commucate with Greame on behalf of creditors to provide us clear and transparent current status (should be choosed via voting, I propose to candidature of ff69, blastbob, Tyrion70, Lophie of course if they'll agree for that function) - deadline (end of W48/2013)

2) Mediator and we should find as many creditors as possible in similiar situation and put them together into one group + verify their IDs and reliability (end of W49/2013)

3) Mediator contact with Ukyo and ask for proof of reliability - Ukyo will have a time until end of W50

4) Depending on reply from Ukyo we should see two scenarios
a. Ukyo will show the funds until end of W51 - then he has to transfer BTC until end of W52 (end of story - everyone happy)
b. Ukyo won't prove his funds, deadline until end of W51 => proceed to point 5)

5) Clear statement from Ukyo side - what exacly happened with our BTC until end of W52 (if don't proceed to point 7)

6) How many coins of required sum he has? Maybe we could start negotiations to retreive partially our BTC from WeEx e.g. 70% of BTC (has to be decided by vote) - if we won't find any agreement satisfying both sides we have to proceed to next point - deadline end of W01/2014

7) Hire lawyer and ask for representing us as a creditors community (someone from Australia has to do it - mediator has to find out someone) until end of W02/2014

What do you think? Any suggestions?

+1
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Thanks for this thread and your work man !!

                                                                               
                
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Is this only me who can not log into WeExchange?
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I managed to login to WeExchange. Then I followed the deposit address they give me and I found this related bitcoin address a few nodes downstream:

https://blockchain.info/address/14E4jGTvz1Jfbv4bzkDtieTzYA66x9J7GF

Is this Jon Montroll's stash? (Jon Montroll is Ukyo, perhaps @jonmontroll on Twitter, friend of Ken Hashimoto aka @asmotan's friend).
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[19:28] <@Ukto> he
[19:28] <@Ukto> he
[19:28] <@Ukto> ... "heh"
[19:29] <nsa_> hehe?
[19:29] <Syloq> Ukto, hide, quick.
[19:31] <nsa_> the "mob" is going to start a witchhunt soon.. what is the status?
[19:33] <@Ukto> i have brought in some other people to help with the situation
[19:33] <@Ukto> and work towards the fastest resolution.
[19:33] <blastbob> Sounds good Smiley
[19:33] <nsa_> what is the actual problem with bitcoind?
[19:34] <@Ukto> I am hoping to post some sort of update tonight if possible, but probably a real update Monday/Tuesday when everything can be put together at once
[19:34] <@Ukto> the world.
[19:34] <@Ukto> it was decided to stop handing out small bits of information causing misinformation
[19:34] <@Ukto> until we can give a full an accurate explanation
[19:34] <the20year1> yay
[19:34] <@Ukto> so please work with me on this for the moment.
[19:34] <@Ukto> I am not dissapearing, and have no intentions to
[19:35] <@Ukto> I have just been very very busy lately trying to work on everything being pushed on me
[19:35] <@Ukto> but, i have to get back to the current crap
[19:35] <@Ukto> i'll be back around a bit later
[19:35] <the20year1> joy
[19:35] <@Ukto> wish i had better news
[19:36] <@Ukto> but there is some light in the tunnel
[19:36] <@Ukto> afk
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^ What utter bullshit!  Undecided
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[19:34] <@Ukto> it was decided to stop handing out small bits of information causing misinformation

Thats one stupid decision... lets not communicate because something could be misunderstood. I believe the persons that decided this underestimate the effects of circles of doom massively. Didnt they notice that we are are at lawsuits being spoken about already?

Anyone thinking with noncommunicating something will be better is delusional in my eyes. You only need to check different projects in the forum. The one that went bad and communicated went way way better than those that stopped communicating.

I hate this tendency in bitcoin community to stop communicating if something goes wrong.

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Update from me:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337523.msg3678253#msg3678253

CoinFarmer - completely appreciate everything you said. I'm already working on things with ukyo but unfortunately there is a need for a bit of time, which none of us want to hear but it's unfortunately true.

I should make clear - I didn't know ukyo before my I reported the problems a few weeks ago. I'm very much on the side of ensuring this is resolved properly for those with Bitcoins stuck in WeExchange.
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I hate this tendency in bitcoin community to stop communicating if something goes wrong.

Human nature, not just Bitcoins

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So what's the status Ukyo?

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So what's the status Ukyo?

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he missed the update yesterday. I hope he will not miss the monday one
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http://khanaas.com/kirk/Ukyo
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So I have less than 0.1 BTC in WeExchange but the minimum is 0.1 BTC. I was originally planning on sending more BTC to end up at least 0.1 BTC but if this is indeed a scam then I would just be out with more BTC. Any ideas, or just stay put like everyone else?
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So I have less than 0.1 BTC in WeExchange but the minimum is 0.1 BTC. I was originally planning on sending more BTC to end up at least 0.1 BTC but if this is indeed a scam then I would just be out with more BTC. Any ideas, or just stay put like everyone else?


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ukyo is now red
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It's Monday afternoon here in Aus now ... oh well.

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I tried to link my weexchange account using the code, but it doesn't work after trying many times. If I can't link to my weexchange account could my BTC be transferred to my linked BTC address?

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added last update:

In an IRC conversation between me and Graet, playing proxy between myself and Ukyo, I was told that Ukyo would make a statement to either myself personally or to the public today. Based on the nature of that conversation I fully expect Ukyo to follow through and provide a statement of some form. Sadly, I have no insight into what said statement may include.

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Ukyo?
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transcription from IRC:

[17:58] <kanoi> so the issue has now changed from being a wallet issue into some other issue ....
[17:59] <@Ukyo> kanoi: this is why there will be a public announcement
[17:59] <@Ukyo> so everythings 100% complete and together on exactly what/when/how/why
[17:59] <@Ukyo> instead of some things guessed and peiced together
[17:59] <@Ukyo> Just waiting on confirmation of the final peice
[18:00] <VinceSamios> Are funds safe Ukyo?
[18:00] <kanoi> as we all are waiting ...
[18:01] <@Ukyo> VinceSamios: Funds will be discussed during the post.
[18:01] <VinceSamios> That's a no then.
[18:02] <@Ukyo> Take it how you wnt to. but details will be provided.
[18:02] <VinceSamios> Lost or seized?
[18:02] <@Ukyo> I am expecting all users to get their owed btc.
[18:02] <VinceSamios> seized then.
[18:02] <@Ukyo> sigh
[18:02] <@Ukyo> I am expecting all users to get their owed btc via me.
[18:02] <@Ukyo> and my control.
[18:03] <VinceSamios> You've got to forgive me for following the logical path of a lack of information
[18:03] <@Ukyo> better?
[18:03] <@Ukyo> see
[18:03] <@Ukyo> heres the issue
[18:03] <@Ukyo> your getting bits and peices
[18:03] <@Ukyo> without the full story
[18:03] <VinceSamios> yup it is an issue
[18:03] <@Ukyo> this is why i stopped posting on the forums
[18:03] <VinceSamios> you're right
[18:03] <@Ukyo> the full story is not complete yet.
[18:03] <@Ukyo> until that time consider all of this guess work at best.
[18:03] <VinceSamios> Simple posts like "funds a safe" are all that's needed
[18:04] <@Ukyo> thats depending on point of view, is it not ?
[18:04] <@Ukyo> anywho, i need to get back to working on things.
[18:04] <VinceSamios> The only assumption anyone can make if you don't provide that info, is that shit has hit the fan
[18:04] <@Ukyo> I just wanted to stop and talk here for a bit since I saw someone looking for me
[18:04] <VinceSamios> I'm a supporter of yours Ukyo
[18:04] <VinceSamios> for the record
[18:04] <@Ukyo> VinceSamios: at this point shit "has" hit the fan
[18:04] <@Ukyo> just to what level is the issue
[18:05] <@Ukyo> but I a doing everything I can
[18:05] <@Ukyo> to resolve it and insure everyone is taken care of to the best of my ability
[18:05] <VinceSamios> IF you need any help let me know - I'm going to chill now with my wife and an episode of something
[18:05] <@Ukyo> thanks
[18:07] <kanoi> Well - just to state the obvious - you'll need to explain how a wallet issue has turned into some other issue coz otherwise few will believe you (since the original issue was simply a wallet issue)
[18:07] <@Ukyo> yeah
[18:07] <@Ukyo> that will all be explained.
[18:08] <@Ukyo> whats being done to resolve the situation, whos involved, etc
[18:10] <kanoi> ... and I also presume that you reliase that if you have been using the weex funds elsewehere and lost any of them - you'll have a lynch mob after you Tongue
[18:11] <w|zzy> hi Ukyo
[18:12] <@Ukyo> kanoi: I did not spend the funds. -_-;
[18:12] <@Ukyo> w|zzy your update is coming along with everyone elses
[18:12] <@Ukyo> I have a ton of documentation to put together still today
[18:12] <@Ukyo> so i need to get back to that
[18:12] <@Ukyo> as i said, just wanted talk to ppl for a bit
[18:13] <kanoi> yes - was just mentioning that if that was in the explanation - you'll need to run Tongue
[18:13] <nsa_> Tongue
[18:13] <w|zzy> my problem is a different one though..
[18:13] <@Ukyo> your reserve will be fixed tonight/tomorrow
[18:13] <@Ukyo> then your in the same boat
[18:14] <@Ukyo> the old beta is shut down
[18:14] <@Ukyo> kanoi: well, no worries about that being in the explanation
[18:14] <kanoi> Smiley
[18:14] <@Ukyo> the only funds I spent was from the loan stuff
[18:14] <w|zzy> that's fine. I don't have any withdrawals in place
[18:14] <@Ukyo> and i didnt even get to spend as much of that as I wanted
[18:14] <@Ukyo> or my own coins
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Monday is passing....
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Monday is passing....
relax,
"[18:03] <@Ukyo> the full story is not complete yet."  Roll Eyes
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November 26, 2013, 05:44:04 AM
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I am afraid Ukyo is some way gambled with the amounts on We-Exchange.
And might made a fatal error. I really do hope not...

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<@Ukyo> the only funds I spent was from the loan stuff

sounds like i will get nothing from my ukyo.loans ?!
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he invested it all into labcoin and lost all of bf's and weex users coins.
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Weexchange has been hacked. The support ticket interface does not filter html entities, which allows code injection. An attack was carried out and the cookie for "weexchange" was stolen, and Ukyo kept pretty much the entirety of their Bitcoins on the server.

Don't believe me? Open up a new support ticket. <b>Test it yourself</b>. For JS injection, you'll need to craft it specially to bypass cloudflare, and " is slashed (but ' is not).

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So any news from Ukyo side?
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So any news from Ukyo side?

not yet
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it looks Ukyo is active and in better mood

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<CoinFarmer> good evening
<CoinFarmer> any news regarding WeEx
<CoinFarmer> ?
<Ukyo> hopefully soon.
<CoinFarmer> good Smiley
<CoinFarmer> so I hope this story will have win/win ending Smiley
<Ukyo> I hope it has a win+/win+
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well, that sounds much better  Cheesy

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Weexchange has been hacked. The support ticket interface does not filter html entities, which allows code injection. An attack was carried out and the cookie for "weexchange" was stolen, and Ukyo kept pretty much the entirety of their Bitcoins on the server.

Don't believe me? Open up a new support ticket. <b>Test it yourself</b>. For JS injection, you'll need to craft it specially to bypass cloudflare, and " is slashed (but ' is not).

Maybe you should work out what a cookie is and does before you try the technobabble again ^^
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I can't fathom what all Ukyo's indecision or difficulty at defining what the situation even is.  And boy, it sure is difficult to spend 8 seconds to explain it. But that's okay, it's only $1.5+ million dollars, no big deal  Roll Eyes


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it looks Ukyo is active and in better mood

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<CoinFarmer> good evening
<CoinFarmer> any news regarding WeEx
<CoinFarmer> ?
<Ukyo> hopefully soon.
<CoinFarmer> good Smiley
<CoinFarmer> so I hope this story will have win/win ending Smiley
<Ukyo> I hope it has a win+/win+
I'd only say that if I actually increased the amount of bitcoins.
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I think this means he was lucky on just-dice and we all get our BTC back. 
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A few minutes ago:

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<Kosmatos> how long before we find out what's going on?
<Ukyo> two weeks
<Kosmatos> you're kidding, right
<Kosmatos> come on that's from the movie 'The Money Pit'
<Ukyo> don't know it
<Ukyo> but the situation is complicated and needs time
<Kosmatos> are you the real Ukyo?
<Ukyo> no, this isn't even a real chat. You're typing up a fake chat session
<Kosmatos> aren't they all?
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just a few more lucky rolls...
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November 27, 2013, 12:07:17 AM
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I got ukyo on irc a hour ago and asked where the announcement is since in my timezone the day was over then already. He mentioned its 5pm at his place. So from now its around 6 more hours time.

He wrote that he has to post something tonight but it sounded like its not what he hoped to post. Maybe delays with the developers or so.

Im tired in more than one way. Of this topic and i go sleeping now...

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Can I say that F word?
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I got ukyo on irc a hour ago and asked where the announcement is since in my timezone the day was over then already. He mentioned its 5pm at his place. So from now its around 6 more hours time.

He wrote that he has to post something tonight but it sounded like its not what he hoped to post. Maybe delays with the developers or so.

Im tired in more than one way. Of this topic and i go sleeping now...

Only a few hours left even in West America.

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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.

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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.



True. Though I also hope Ukyo is telling the truth, currently we cannot exclude the possibility of he is bullshitting.

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Okay, I see what you mean. There was someone who got a withdrawal, but it could be the exception that proves the rule...
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.





Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.





Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.





Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...
We can found a layer to doing this case ,no matter how many BTC we can get back ,we can give some percentage to the layers as the fees.
like if we get back 1000BTC in total ,we can pay the layer 100 BTC which mean 10%. 100BTC =almost 100000 USD ,I think this enough for the fees.
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November 27, 2013, 05:36:22 AM
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Has any one tried to contact Jon Montroll over Facebook, or perhaps give him a call. 

This says he is in Dallas, Texas:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE&usp=sharing


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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0
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updated first post.

Here is the pastebin to last Ukyo chat on IRC: http://pastebin.com/VnYL63dr
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.





Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...

I have no given up on Ukyo yet. I am going to give him a little more time and wait for his big announcement. (I actually know what his big announcement is, and if it is true and going to happen, it is very good news for all of us).

If it doesn't happen though, I will have no choice but to hire a lawyer. Presently, the outstanding amount owed to me by ukyo.loan is nearly $250,000. That is definitely an amount I can not let slide. Fortunately, I have plenty of other bitcoins used to fund a lawyer if necessary.

Like I said, though, I have talked to ukyo occasionally on IRC and have not given up on him yet. I'll give it another 2 weeks for now and see what happens.
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Dont say two weeks in here  Smiley

                                                                               
                
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2 weeks after another 2 weeks.... ukyo is red now
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Guys you need to give it up. The BTC is lost and Ukyo is just bullshitting to stop the witch hunt.

More speculation. Whatever your intuition and experience tells you, eh?

Dude, if he had the BTC he would have paid the withdrawal's already.  There isn't any valid excuses left now so he stays quite and uses the tried and tested "two weeks" method.

Facts:
He hasn't offered any proof of funds. 
He hasn't honoured any withdrawal requests.
He hasn't redeemed any Ukyo loan
He hasn't paid any ukyo loan divs

Please provide any facts/evidence to the contrary.





Hi, Dude ,Can we delegate a  layer to help us get back our BTC??

The problem is if there is no funds then lawyers will not help.  If Ukyo acted fraudulently then he might spend some time in the clink. 
I hope I am wrong...

I have no given up on Ukyo yet. I am going to give him a little more time and wait for his big announcement. (I actually know what his big announcement is, and if it is true and going to happen, it is very good news for all of us).

If it doesn't happen though, I will have no choice but to hire a lawyer. Presently, the outstanding amount owed to me by ukyo.loan is nearly $250,000. That is definitely an amount I can not let slide. Fortunately, I have plenty of other bitcoins used to fund a lawyer if necessary.

Like I said, though, I have talked to ukyo occasionally on IRC and have not given up on him yet. I'll give it another 2 weeks for now and see what happens.

Migo, when you decided go through the law process, please add me together with you ,I got personally 200K USD in his hand...
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Migo, when you decided go through the law process, please add me together with you ,I got personally 200K USD in his hand...
We should set him a reasonable deadline and consider legal actions if he does not comply.
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Migo, when you decided go through the law process, please add me together with you ,I got personally 200K USD in his hand...
We should set him a reasonable deadline and consider legal actions if he does not comply.

What is reasonable? For me it looks like he is working on it. And i wait for more than a month already. But i fear when legal actions come into play what will happen. Raiding his server? Block it for a year until the legal case is solved? I even can imagine these policemen format the wallet disc because they dont have a clue.
At least i would say that legal actions should be the very last step. Before you do it contact ukyo on IRC. Username ukto or now mostly Ukyo.

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At least i would say that legal actions should be the very last step. Before you do it contact ukyo on IRC. Username ukto or now mostly Ukyo.

+1

People suggesting legal action whilst there are clearly attempts being made with others in the Bitcoin community to remedy the situation would benefit from professional legal advice. No lawyer worth anything will go forward with an action at this point because it's a worst case scenario - expensive, time consuming, difficult, and frequently with absolutely nothing at the end of it. Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would expect their lawyer to write to Ukyo (and possibly Neo later for fact confirmation) before doing anything otherwise you're wasting your time and more of your money. It's likely the process required.

You do it as a last resort, when you believe are significant assets, and you threaten it when you don't think genuine attempts are being made.

Post Neo announcement at least, any relevant neutral (i.e. a lawyer) would see that they are. You have a major bitcoin company, the major start-up in Cyprus and who are working with directly with their financial regulators and with KPMG, helping ukyo out in some form. There is zero chance they can get involved in anything they see as dodgy. It's not relevant that the full story isn't public.

Also, anyone thinking they can 'get in first' doesn't understand how the law works. It is not first come first served, whether it ends up in court or not. Anyone thinking they can hassle ukyo into paying them first is going to fail because he cannot give preference legally. We all 'win' or we all lose, we're in it together. We just all want to be repaid in full, end of story.

As for how long - I'm giving it two weeks from Neo's announcement for some real progress.

However angry and pissed off we all may be, however much we don't like it, this is the situation.
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Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would need their lawyer to speak to Neo & Ukyo before doing anything ...

You guys are really doing more damage than good here.  To be clear, i'm not suggesting that legal action is warranted.  But a lawyer having to speak to Neo?  Why pray tell?  And "...policemen format the wallet disc because they dont have a clue." ??  Really?
I hope you guys know your audience better than i do, because to me it seems you don't thing too much of their intelligence. 
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Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would need their lawyer to speak to Neo & Ukyo before doing anything ...

You guys are really doing more damage than good here.  To be clear, i'm not suggesting that legal action is warranted.  But a lawyer having to speak to Neo?  Why pray tell?  And "...policemen format the wallet disc because they dont have a clue." ??  Really?
I hope you guys know your audience better than i do, because to me it seems you don't thing too much of their intelligence.  

I'm sure they do 'thing' about their intelligence a plenty. Major Lolz

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Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would need their lawyer to speak to Neo & Ukyo before doing anything otherwise you're wasting your time and more of your money.


Absolutely correct. Neo are clearly partners about to take a controlling influence if not complete ownership. Who is your lawyer going to sue? Ukyo is on his way out of the door so you do not have the option to take him on. While this is in flux there is nothing to do. It will be resolved before your lawyer could draw up any papers and charge you an arm and a leg to do so anyway. So chillax. And don't listen to the illiterate Gremlin above.

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Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would need their lawyer to speak to Neo & Ukyo before doing anything ...

You guys are really doing more damage than good here.  To be clear, i'm not suggesting that legal action is warranted.  But a lawyer having to speak to Neo?  Why pray tell?  And "...policemen format the wallet disc because they dont have a clue." ??  Really?
I hope you guys know your audience better than i do, because to me it seems you don't thing too much of their intelligence. 

I think ffssixtynine didnt mean that they should let a lawyer speak with NEO. He meant in case that someone goes so far the lawyer had to do this. Collecting info is crucial and a lawyer that wouldnt do this would be strange.
Regarding formatting... most policemen are similarly internet and tech affine than politicians. So hand over an encrypted harddisc then most of them wont have a clue and think its a new disc. At least one might hope that this changed in the last years but i still can imagine that such things happen when the wrong policemen is doing the job. In the past policemen can be very sure that every raid is successful since nearly every pc has anything copied on it that should be copyrighted. And for private persons your chance is big that you never see your equipment back. The police is using it if they can use it or auction it. At least thats how it goes in germany.
So yes... its not hard for me to imagine that one of these guys get such a disc and think it needs a formatting to be useable.
But i admit the chance should be low when its done by the correct persons. It was only a worst case scenario... Smiley

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Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would need their lawyer to speak to Neo & Ukyo before doing anything ...

You guys are really doing more damage than good here.  To be clear, i'm not suggesting that legal action is warranted.  But a lawyer having to speak to Neo?  Why pray tell?  And "...policemen format the wallet disc because they dont have a clue." ??  Really?
I hope you guys know your audience better than i do, because to me it seems you don't thing too much of their intelligence.  

I think ffssixtynine didnt mean that they should let a lawyer speak with NEO. He meant in case that someone goes so far the lawyer had to do this. Collecting info is crucial and a lawyer that wouldnt do this would be strange.
Regarding formatting... most policemen are similarly internet and tech affine than politicians. So hand over an encrypted harddisc then most of them wont have a clue and think its a new disc. At least one might hope that this changed in the last years but i still can imagine that such things happen when the wrong policemen is doing the job. In the past policemen can be very sure that every raid is successful since nearly every pc has anything copied on it that should be copyrighted. And for private persons your chance is big that you never see your equipment back. The police is using it if they can use it or auction it. At least thats how it goes in germany.
So yes... its not hard for me to imagine that one of these guys get such a disc and think it needs a formatting to be useable.
But i admit the chance should be low when its done by the correct persons. It was only a worst case scenario... Smiley

US has pretty nasty & unfair asset forfeiture laws, and i'm sure many beat cops aren't too computer savvy (though if a cop knows enough to format a drive,he should know enough not to do it).  Computer crime is (guessing here) more common than pickpockets, and even the dumbest beat cops are taught *procedure*.  Stuff like that is taught by rote & requires no intelligence.  Computer crimes, of course, aren't handled by those cops -- they're handled by the FEDs, their Cyber Crime department.  Some of those kids even went to college Shocked
All this is irrelevant to this thread, i don't think bringing the law in is going to help anyone.
The corollary of this, of course, is:  If now is not a good time to bring in the law, in the future it will only become more pointless.
When someone picks your pocket, screaming "stop thief!" might be pointless, but screaming it tomorrow is *definitely* pointless.
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Anyone who did require their lawyer to push something (at this point) would need their lawyer to speak to Neo & Ukyo before doing anything otherwise you're wasting your time and more of your money.


Absolutely correct. Neo are clearly partners about to take a controlling influence if not complete ownership. Who is your lawyer going to sue? Ukyo is on his way out of the door so you do not have the option to take him on. While this is in flux there is nothing to do. It will be resolved before your lawyer could draw up any papers and charge you an arm and a leg to do so anyway. So chillax. And don't listen to the illiterate Gremlin above.

You're making major assumptions there mate. Neo are there to help ukyo, nothing more than that as far as we know. Ukyo is in charge, no one else.

Crumbs, one area I've seen you wrong on frequently is legal stuff. On other things you're pretty good. In this case your lawyer would most likely suggest sending letter to ukyo as the first step. It'd then be up to ukyo how to respond. They could also, optionally, try and arrange to get further information. Again, this would have to start with ukyo but may involve one or more third parties latterly. To be fair, it should have read Ukyo and then possibly Neo (will edit).

In the time all this takes, we'll likely know what's happening anyway but people will do whatever they feel the need to do.

PS I don't think police messing up computers is the thing to be worrying about! Also, there is no evidence of criminality at this point and what you're actually doing is contacting Bitfunder or WeEx or whatever. It is not Ukyo personally (the loan may be different).
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At least i would say that legal actions should be the very last step. Before you do it contact ukyo on IRC. Username ukto or now mostly Ukyo.

People suggesting legal action whilst there are clearly attempts being made with others in the Bitcoin community to remedy the situation would benefit from professional legal advice. No lawyer worth anything will go forward with an action at this point because it's



Do we have any clear evidence that people are actually working on resolving the problem? Or is this just the same sort of "entertainment for the masses to buy time" that was provided by the Labcoin team before they disappeared for good? I think that given the circumstances, and the style of communication from the parties involved, this is a legitimate question that many people ask at this point.
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Anonymity has a lot to do with the difference. Ukyo is anything but and has actually been around virtually every day. Neo have made a statement that they are helping him so yes, there is independent evidence - that's why a statement was made, even tho they are  limited on the detail they can provide. They have only just made a statement and warned that US hols would hold things up, give them a chance. If you need to know more about neo, read up on them. They are as legit as they come. If they are helping, efforts are being made.
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Now ffssixtynine, are you willing to put your balls on the table for both Ukyo and Neobee?
The statement is completely empty and provides no evidence at all. It is just an attempt to gain time and reflects that they are probably both full of shit.
As a Weex user you should be seeking your own legal advice instead of following the legal advice of your adversary.
If you have any personal EVIDENCE of the work that's being done please provide it.
Otherwise it very much looks like fraud, an empty wallet, and user funds being diverted to so called "reserves" without their consent, very probably because of luck of enough funds.
Now, that is illegal boy!
Defend yourself boy, you will never reach the carrot they have placed on you!
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I've made my position very clear adara. The only important thing is fixing this mess.

The only person at fault here is ukyo, not those trying to help.

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The only important thing is fixing this mess.
The only person at fault here is ukyo, not those trying to help.

Agree on both of those.
However Weex users should not be taken hostage of issues between Ukyo and Neo. Neo statement is empty and shady to say the least and has not provided any evidence of work.



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However Weex users should not be taken hostage of issues between Ukyo and Neo. Neo statement is empty and shady to say the least and has not provided any evidence of work.

AFAIK they were only recently involved so need time to see how they can help. Hopefully that can happen next week. There is definitely nothing shady involved - all they've said is they are trying to help and will say more when they are able to. That's a positive, not a negative. The negative here is the situation in the first place, but don't let thoughts on that bleed into everything else.

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Do not agree with that at all unless an estimated time frame is given.
If you have access to Neo ask them about that.
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However Weex users should not be taken hostage of issues between Ukyo and Neo. Neo statement is empty and shady to say the least and has not provided any evidence of work.

AFAIK they were only recently involved so need time to see how they can help. Hopefully that can happen next week. There is definitely nothing shady involved - all they've said is they are trying to help and will say more when they are able to. That's a positive, not a negative. The negative here is the situation in the first place, but don't let thoughts on that bleed into everything else.



There is at least one thing here that is shady. And that is the communication. If somebody says so little with so many words, it is suspicious. I would have had much more trust in Neo&Bee's involvement if they had just stated in two sentences that they were working on it and for legal reasons they could not reveal any more information.

But I hope that you are right and something is really happening that will eventually solve this problem.
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Timeframe: I know that US holidays have got in the way. Let's look towards late next week for a more meaningful update but it's feasible it'll be the week after that. Any longer is likely to be problematic.

morabana: If they had put out two lines as you suggest, they'd have been criticised for that as well. They have said what they feel is right. Not to say anything would have been worse because then it would look like ukyo is doing this all himself and that's not exactly been positive.

None of us know if their help will get results, but at least there is help.

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morabana: If they had put out two lines as you suggest, they'd have been criticised for that as well. They have said what they feel is right. Not to say anything would have been worse because then it would look like ukyo is doing this all himself and that's not exactly been positive.


OK, I understand, it is probably a cultural difference. In my quarters it is mostly politicians that use this sort of communication style and nobody believes them any more.
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Timeframe: I know that US holidays have got in the way. Let's look towards late next week for a more meaningful update but it's feasible it'll be the week after that. Any longer is likely to be problematic.

morabana: If they had put out two lines as you suggest, they'd have been criticised for that as well. They have said what they feel is right. Not to say anything would have been worse because then it would look like ukyo is doing this all himself and that's not exactly been positive.

None of us know if their help will get results, but at least there is help.

Sorry can not follow that carrot.
At least 13 Weex users (and more will probably join) deny that path because they can fully secure their funds by other means.

Neo's involvement and movements could in fact complicate things unless the time frame he gave you is for coins in user's wallets and not for useless statements, and he is willing to give interim proof of work and status reports along the way.
If you have access to Neo ask them about that.
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Sorry can not follow that carrot.
At least 13 Weex users (and more will probably join) deny that path because they can fully secure their funds by other means.


Could you be more specific? What other means are there to secure our funds? Any link? What is your alternative plan?
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Secure means there are enough funds already located through Ukyo alone and other recently discovered Ukyo's interests which are enough to cover all funds.
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Secure means there are enough funds already located through Ukyo alone and other recently discovered Ukyo's interests which are enough to cover all funds.

Adara, how do you think that works mate? You don't get priority, that's not how it works. You seemingly have no experience of these situations and nor have you taken professional advice because if you had you would not be talking like that. You'd also understand that you'd be forcing the situation unnecessarily and most likely ensuring you get virtually nothing if you believe the money isn't there versus there actually being a rescue plan.

If a situation were to occur which involved a creditor situation, preferred creditors are paid first (receivers, taxman, etc) and then any remaining WeExchange assets are divided out such that everyone gets a % in the dollar.

I suggest you speak to a lawyer and they explain to you how a company claim would work - since that's what you seem to want to push - and how/what happens to an individual's assets, whether they have or haven't broken the law. As far as I know, ukyo has not acted illegally but you could get advice for both sides.

For example, if ukyo had $500k of assets and owed 1500 BTC ($1.5m) then there won't be much left for anyone after costs, and we all get the same %. I'm making those numbers up but you get my point. And that's if ukyo personally would be on the hook.

There is no vigilante stuff you can do here.

(Note: I have not experienced this in the US/Aus but AFAIK it's fairly similar; I'm unsure about personal assets)

TL;DR There are no other means. This is the real world where we're subject to the rule of law - corporate law included.
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Seems like its you boy, who has not taken legal advice except that of your adversary.
There is enough to cover all funds for all users.

Now go to that friend of yours of Neo & Bee and propose what was stated above and let us know what his answer is. May be empty words again?
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Seems like its you boy, who has not taken legal advice except that of your adversary.
There is enough to cover all funds for all users.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Only one of us two has taken legal advice and knows how to deal with these situations.

If ukyo had easy access to everything then you think we'd be in this mess? You think he'd be calling in third parties who would be able to expose that?

Anyway, I won't change your mind because you're not interested in listening. I just hope you don't do anything that destroys the chance for the rest of us to get our funds back. Hopefully a good lawyer will give you a dose of reality.
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Secure means there are enough funds already located through Ukyo alone and other recently discovered Ukyo's interests which are enough to cover all funds.

How exactly would you go about getting those funds from Ukyo and distributing to WeEx users?
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Secure means there are enough funds already located through Ukyo alone and other recently discovered Ukyo's interests which are enough to cover all funds.

How exactly would you go about getting those funds from Ukyo and distributing to WeEx users?

He can't. That's the point.

He doesn't even know whats owed, what funds are there, the loan status, what the problem is/are, how the law works, which entities are involved and have what assets, whether there has been any wrong doing by any agents of those companies, the legal costs involved not to mention multiple countries, etc etc. He's just trying to make ukyo pay him out first by being threatening.

So you can choose to that or you can choose to see if Neo or any other parties can help fix properly this asap.

Adara, I understand where you're coming from but this is not the way.
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Looks like your lawyer is not located in the U.S right? That does not seem like a good choice, does it?
Different lawyers, different opinions. Your choice boy.

Now as said go to that friend of yours of Neo & Bee and ask him what was stated above.
Let's see what he has to say about that.
Then let all the other Weex users know that you are putting your balls on the table for that.
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Looks like your lawyer is not located in the U.S right? That does not seem like a good choice, does it?
Different lawyers, different opinions. Your choice boy.

Now as said go to that friend of yours of Neo & Bee and ask him what was stated above.
Let's see what he has to say about that.
Then let all the other Weex users know that you are putting your balls on the table for that.


I am really curious. Please explain what exactly you want to do. Unless you also have to respect an NDA... Smiley
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Looks like your lawyer is not located in the U.S right? That does not seem like a good choice, does it?
Different lawyers, different opinions. Your choice boy.

Now as said go to that friend of yours of Neo & Bee and ask him what was stated above.
Let's see what he has to say about that.
Then let all the other Weex users know that you are putting your balls on the table for that.

Sigh, you don't even know which country to start in. You are going to get a terrible shock if you find out how the law works. I'm going to leave you to it.

You can ask Neo whatever you want yourself.


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hey ,is there any real updates from UKYO side? like when will we get the fund ,what is the difficulties for him right now... I am tired of reading these vogue post... use lot of words to represent unclear information... this really suspicious.
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hey ,is there any real updates from UKYO side? like when will we get the fund ,what is the difficulties for him right now... I am tired of reading these vogue post... use lot of words to represent unclear information... this really suspicious.

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As detailed in the following thread on Bitcointalk.org: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0 Neo & Bee are now involved with the resolution of ongoing issues with WeExchange. Internally we are under a legal advice not to disclose the origin of these problems, of which we are desperate to change, the minute that we can explain the full extent of the issues and how it will be resolved, we shall do just that. Once the restrictions enforced upon us have been lifted, our plans will become extremely clear. Please note that any speculation with regards to our involvement is in fact nothing more than pure speculation. People who are invested, are more than aware that we are open, honest and will move the business forward at every given opportunity...

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Looks like your lawyer is not located in the U.S right? That does not seem like a good choice, does it?
Different lawyers, different opinions. Your choice boy.

Now as said go to that friend of yours of Neo & Bee and ask him what was stated above.
Let's see what he has to say about that.
Then let all the other Weex users know that you are putting your balls on the table for that.

Sigh, you don't even know which country to start in. You are going to get a terrible shock if you find out how the law works. I'm going to leave you to it.

You can ask Neo whatever you want yourself.


You are the one on the wrong path ffssixtynine. Good luck! We'll see what happens.
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Remember, sixtynine is the same guy who conspired with a board of insiders to sell all their shares of active mining, then a day later destroying its share price with public announcements of FUD. He is an unethical and shady person, destroyed everyones share value in Active Mining, now is the PR guy here telling us 'everything's gonna be okay'. Every day this goes on it's getting clearer to me no one is getting a cent back.
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When someone picks your pocket, screaming "stop thief!" might be pointless, but screaming it tomorrow is *definitely* pointless.

Its not that he picked our pocket. We gave him our bitcoins. Now he claims he have technical problems and he isnt running. So when the police would stop by or a lawyer checks back he would explain that he works on the problem and... thats it. They wont do anything when he isnt running and can show that he works on it.

I guess ukyo wont be able to bring out good news before monday if he really waits for some kind of company or so. But maybe its something different.

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When someone picks your pocket, screaming "stop thief!" might be pointless, but screaming it tomorrow is *definitely* pointless.

Its not that he picked our pocket. We gave him our bitcoins. Now he claims he have technical problems and he isnt running. So when the police would stop by or a lawyer checks back he would explain that he works on the problem and... thats it. They wont do anything when he isnt running and can show that he works on it.

I guess ukyo wont be able to bring out good news before monday if he really waits for some kind of company or so. But maybe its something different.

Well, on the off chance that this is not obvious to everyone, i'll explain.  Technically, Ukyo, my USA compatriot, broke a whole bevy of laws before your money vanished.  Please don't make me spell out what laws.  LEO won't have a shortage of reasons to give him a ride in the party van.  No explanations could *possibly* overcome the mother of all paper trails that is this esteemed forum.

That's how the legal mechanics work out.  I'm not suggesting that people should run to the Nanny State they despise so much at the first sign of things going wrong.  That's just weak.  I'm only saying that if now is not a proper time to do it, the proper time will never arrive.  That's how this works.  Always.
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When someone picks your pocket, screaming "stop thief!" might be pointless, but screaming it tomorrow is *definitely* pointless.

Its not that he picked our pocket. We gave him our bitcoins. Now he claims he have technical problems and he isnt running. So when the police would stop by or a lawyer checks back he would explain that he works on the problem and... thats it. They wont do anything when he isnt running and can show that he works on it.

I guess ukyo wont be able to bring out good news before monday if he really waits for some kind of company or so. But maybe its something different.

Well, on the off chance that this is not obvious to everyone, i'll explain.  Technically, Ukyo, my USA compatriot, broke a whole bevy of laws before your money vanished.  Please don't make me spell out what laws.  LEO won't have a shortage of reasons to give him a ride in the party van.  No explanations could *possibly* overcome the mother of all paper trails that is this esteemed forum.

That's how the legal mechanics work out.  I'm not suggesting that people should run to the Nanny State they despise so much at the first sign of things going wrong.  That's just weak.  I'm only saying that if now is not a proper time to do it, the proper time will never arrive.  That's how this works.  Always.

I think you are right crumbs for a change.
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When someone picks your pocket, screaming "stop thief!" might be pointless, but screaming it tomorrow is *definitely* pointless.

Its not that he picked our pocket. We gave him our bitcoins. Now he claims he have technical problems and he isnt running. So when the police would stop by or a lawyer checks back he would explain that he works on the problem and... thats it. They wont do anything when he isnt running and can show that he works on it.

I guess ukyo wont be able to bring out good news before monday if he really waits for some kind of company or so. But maybe its something different.

Well, on the off chance that this is not obvious to everyone, i'll explain.  Technically, Ukyo, my USA compatriot, broke a whole bevy of laws before your money vanished.  Please don't make me spell out what laws.  LEO won't have a shortage of reasons to give him a ride in the party van.  No explanations could *possibly* overcome the mother of all paper trails that is this esteemed forum.

That's how the legal mechanics work out.  I'm not suggesting that people should run to the Nanny State they despise so much at the first sign of things going wrong.  That's just weak.  I'm only saying that if now is not a proper time to do it, the proper time will never arrive.  That's how this works.  Always.

I think you are right crumbs for a change.

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Ken actually replies to the trolls more than his actual investors and customers.  Undecided
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please don't take your Activemining issues here.

Ken in this thread is an user who has his money stuck on weexchange (something like 70xbt if I'm not wrong) and has all the rights to post here (even to quote... crumbs).

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Last posts of Ken:

Day 4 post:
"You are exactly right.  Just what I have been thinking!"

Day 3 post:
"I think you are right crumbs"

Day 2 post:
"ur a blackmailer!"

Day 1 post:
"ur shares r safe"

That pretty much sums up the amazing PR from this guy within the last 4 days.  
He peeks his head in once in awhile to agree with something (with no contribution of any worth to the topic)
In the meantime, his investors beg him for information on what he's doing with their money as he remains secretive about his spending habits.

Because of this, I have more respect for someone like Ukyo than LabKen.

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VE, what is hard to understand from my previous post? We don't care about your thoughts about Ken, take your issues out of here.
I wish I had opened this thread as self-moderated.




Btw, updated first post with this:

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Bitfunder/WeExchange Problems:

We have ~106 BTC in the Bitfunder/WeExchange system which we can not obtain.  We have sent Bitfunder's/WeExchange's Ukyo a Legal Demand For Payment within 72 hours.  We expect this problem to result in the loss of the 106 BTC.  We are meeting with our Lawyers to determine what our next steps will be.  This 106 BTC has been deducted from our liquid cash position above.
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ukyo is going to face a lawsuit..
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ukyo is going to face a lawsuit..

Is there any updates from him?? he said he will posting something very soon....
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No, but a challenger appears:

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It seems that Bitfunder has shutdown all of ActiveMining accounts.  This was expected due to my "Legal Demand For Payment" and the fact that I release the information about meeting with our lawyers.
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No, but a challenger appears:

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It seems that Bitfunder has shutdown all of ActiveMining accounts.  This was expected due to my "Legal Demand For Payment" and the fact that I release the information about meeting with our lawyers.
...

This will be soon followed by "our lawyers are delayed, so we will be making legal intellidemands instead, which could be a huge game changer.  This will be our SMART edition of making legal demands!"

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Ukyo lost a lot of money in Active Mining, so he's being vengeful. It's his fault for gambling with users money though.

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Ukyo lost a lot of money in Active Mining, so he's being vengeful. It's his fault for gambling with users money though.



Can you quote your source for this information please?

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Ukyo lost a lot of money in Active Mining, so he's being vengeful. It's his fault for gambling with users money though.



Can you quote your source for this information please?

He hangs around in the active mining and labcoin IRCs 24/7.
Until he proves there is a legit reason why he's stolen so many funds, this is the most likely scenario.
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Anyone been able to login to Weexchange today... or Bitfunder for that matter?

both sites show up but any attempt to login just seems to refresh the login page...  Huh

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Anyone been able to login to Weexchange today... or Bitfunder for that matter?

both sites show up but any attempt to login just seems to refresh the login page...  Huh



cant login to weexchange. and dont get an answer when i contact ukyo via irc since days. he always answered before.

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I can't even log in the weexchange.co, when I tried to obtain my password using forget my password feature, it says my email was not indentified, so ukyo has deleted my account?


Ukyo, did you do that?
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ukyo is going to face a lawsuit..

Is there any updates from him?? he said he will posting something very soon....

obviously he was lying... He even dare not to disclose the whole story.
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The timeframe and pattern (buying time to cover tracks) are very similar to another (TF) scam.
Don't dump this lead too fast, imho.

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can't log in weexchange.co on yesterday and now, and my 56 btc not back , so upset..
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I'm making a trip right away down south to meet up with a few scammers, I'd love to pay this guy a visit too.  I appreciate the support I'm getting with what I'm doing.. if anyone wants to release the address of this guy, I'm the guy you want to release it to.  I'm ready

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I'm making a trip right away down south to meet up with a few scammers, I'd love to pay this guy a visit too.  I appreciate the support I'm getting with what I'm doing.. if anyone wants to release the address of this guy, I'm the guy you want to release it to.  I'm ready

Thanks man, good luck. This guy is holding 3 btc of mine, which is 30% of my assets....
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Ukyo wrote on irc (#weex) a few hours ago, not much new stuff but its better than silence:

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[22:42] <VinceSamios> Ukyo why did you shut down activemining accounts?
[03:02] <@Ukyo> I havetn shut down anything
[03:12] <w|zzy> I can't log in
[03:14] <@Ukyo> should be able to
[03:16] <whitty> i logged in just now
[03:17] <w|zzy> So it's enabled again?
[03:18] <whitty> i've never had an issue logging in so I don't know
[03:18] <whitty> I have nothing to do with the site, just letting you know it worked for me
[03:19] <w|zzy> That's cool whitty. I'm not getting aggressive.
[03:19] <whitty> yeah that's cool
[03:19] <w|zzy> Just asking the question as a few would like to know.
[03:20] <w|zzy> I've been incredibly patient with Ukyo
[03:21] <@Ukyo> i can release it from the trade
[03:21] <@Ukyo> i will try to do it tonight
[03:21] <@Ukyo> but it wont change your ability to withdraw
[03:21] <@Ukyo> i just have a lot on my plate atm so people can get their withdraws
[03:24] <w|zzy> I just want to know where I stand..
[03:24] <w|zzy> right now everything is on the ether
[03:24] <@Ukyo> k
[03:24] <@Ukyo> i'll try to work on it tonight
[03:24] <@Ukyo> that old beta system was scrapped due to issues w/ mtgox
[03:25] <w|zzy> that's ok.
[03:26] <@Ukyo> but yeah, it will need to be sorted anywhere so you will be able to claim your btc
[03:26] <w|zzy> Indeed.
[03:33] <B0g4r7> So it's been a week now since we were supposed to get some real information.
[03:34] <@Ukyo> its also been holidays as Danny mentioned.
[03:34] <B0g4r7> When does no confirmation of this "key element" become a negative confirmation?
[03:34] <whitty> bitcoin world doesn't even have night time, expecting people to understand holidays si a stretch Smiley
[03:34] <@Ukyo> That's a Danny question.
[03:34] <B0g4r7> Who is Danny?
[03:34] <@Ukyo> But your theory is currently that it is based off of a single key element and not multiple. Smiley
[03:35] <whitty> Danny Zucho
[03:35] <@Ukyo> whitty: i know.
[03:35] <B0g4r7> My patience grows thinner.
[03:35] <@Ukyo> Danny from NEO&BEE who made the post.
[03:35] <@Ukyo> B0g4r7: What would you like me to do?
[03:35] <whitty> Zuko sorry, google corrected me
[03:35] <B0g4r7> Release our funds, obviously.
[03:35] <@Ukyo> The post was clear that the funds are not currently available for release.
[03:36] <B0g4r7> :sigh:
[03:36] <B0g4r7> Link to post?
[03:36] <@Ukyo> As much as I would like to give you the btc and make you happy
[03:36] <@Ukyo> I can not :/
[03:36] <@Ukyo> So I am working as hard as I can, through the holidays even, to try to get this resolved asap.
[03:37] <whitty> hey I'm just impressed you're still replying to people to say you can't help atm
[03:37] <@Ukyo> I can't dissapear. That would defenitely be "the end"
[03:37] <whitty> that TF cunt just shut down and stopped replying after trying to settle for USD equivs
[03:37] <@Ukyo> And by no means, is this "the end"
[03:38] <@Ukyo> whitty: to be fair, I had to stop using the forums over a week ago
[03:38] <@Ukyo> so in that way, I have
[03:38] <whitty> even if this was a scam, you're putting in the effort Wink
[03:39] <@Graet> the forums are hard to deal with atm :/
[03:39] <@Ukyo> whitty: Well, I am just trying to make things 'right' so I can hold my head high in the community. even if people don't like it.
[03:39] <whitty> man the forums are just a turn based troll box
[03:40] <@Ukyo> Great, Danny, and myself have been working on things
[03:40] <@Ukyo> Graet is limited in what he can do
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Interesting to read that other people have had issues logging into bitfunder, I haven't been able to log in for over a week now. The issue apparently is my 2 factor is incorrect which is absolute rubbish.

Now the site is shut down for maintenance so it will be interesting to see if its sorted when its back up and running again
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Anyone thinking of doing silly things or not prepared to wait a bit longer can lawyer up and have them speak to neo. Your lawyer can then advise you accordingly. Danny has said he will do this.

Although the story is not complete/public, Ukyo has not scammed anyone and if someone goes so far as to break the law in retribution for something that hasn't happened, it's going to bite you back. So lawyer up first and do it properly. There are clearly problems but it is not a scam. In either case, a lawyer is the proper way to deal with it.

Or you could wait for the results of neo's input bearing in mind last week were US holidays.
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Anyone thinking of doing silly things or not prepared to wait a bit longer can lawyer up and have them speak to neo. Your lawyer can then advise you accordingly. Danny has said he will do this.

Although the story is not complete/public, Ukyo has not scammed anyone and if someone goes so far as to break the law in retribution for something that hasn't happened, it's going to bite you back. So lawyer up first and do it properly. There are clearly problems but it is not a scam. In either case, a lawyer is the proper way to deal with it.

Or you could wait for the results of neo's input bearing in mind last week were US holidays.

Yes, holding onto someone's money (in any currency), saying that it is freely available to withdraw, and then not returning it when requested is definitely not scamming.

Especially when he wasn't supposed to be running any kind of fractional reserve anyway. I'm sure no one here thinks he's scamming, especially when he's said that everyone will not get back all of their BTC.
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Anyone thinking of doing silly things or not prepared to wait a bit longer can lawyer up and have them speak to neo. Your lawyer can then advise you accordingly. Danny has said he will do this.

Although the story is not complete/public, Ukyo has not scammed anyone and if someone goes so far as to break the law in retribution for something that hasn't happened, it's going to bite you back. So lawyer up first and do it properly. There are clearly problems but it is not a scam. In either case, a lawyer is the proper way to deal with it.

Or you could wait for the results of neo's input bearing in mind last week were US holidays.

What do you exactly mean by ``something that hasn't happened''? Our funds have been held by Ukyo for at least a month and it is not clear that we are getting anything back. Even if we get everything, there will be no compensation for lost opportunities. This much has happened.

I agree, though that the fact that Ukyo broke the law does not authorize or warrant anybody else to act in a similar way. On the other hand, I do not quite understand why Danny or Ukyo would be more likely to give out any useful information to lawyers that we hire than to us directly. 
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I don't think he is scamming anyone. But I do think things clearly went over his head, or at least, he was responsible for more than he could handle.
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... he's said that everyone will not get back all of their BTC.

Is there a quote you can provide to back this up?  Because I've been following all the many Bitfunder threads, and I don't remember him saying anything like this.  (In other words: quote or it's FUD)
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... he's said that everyone will not get back all of their BTC.

Is there a quote you can provide to back this up?  Because I've been following all the many Bitfunder threads, and I don't remember him saying anything like this.  (In other words: quote or it's FUD)

FUD

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December 03, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
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please avoid to report your personal opinions as facts.


Updated the first post:
- moved the relevant users' posts above the Ukyo's post (since he's not posting since november 17)
- added a cryptocyprus' statement
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an update from cryptocyprus will be released this friday:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3818385#msg3818385
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<@Ukyo> changes: Shares moved to issuers for permenant list. remaining balances moved to weex accounts.
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What do you exactly mean by ``something that hasn't happened''? Our funds have been held by Ukyo for at least a month and it is not clear that we are getting anything back. Even if we get everything, there will be no compensation for lost opportunities. This much has happened.

All you actually know is we can't access our funds and we'd been told of technical problems. Since then, we've been told that external help is involved. Everything else is conjecture. I understand the conjecture totally, but it isn't fact so shouldn't be reported as such.

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I agree, though that the fact that Ukyo broke the law does not authorize or warrant anybody else to act in a similar way. On the other hand, I do not quite understand why Danny or Ukyo would be more likely to give out any useful information to lawyers that we hire than to us directly. 

It isn't necessarily about more information and Danny will talk to individuals too. It's about having someone who understands how the legal system works; who can give proper advice; who will judge the situation correctly and without bias.
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What do you exactly mean by ``something that hasn't happened''? Our funds have been held by Ukyo for at least a month and it is not clear that we are getting anything back. Even if we get everything, there will be no compensation for lost opportunities. This much has happened.

All you actually know is we can't access our funds and we'd been told of technical problems. Since then, we've been told that external help is involved. Everything else is conjecture. I understand the conjecture totally, but it isn't fact so shouldn't be reported as such.

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I agree, though that the fact that Ukyo broke the law does not authorize or warrant anybody else to act in a similar way. On the other hand, I do not quite understand why Danny or Ukyo would be more likely to give out any useful information to lawyers that we hire than to us directly. 

It isn't necessarily about more information and Danny will talk to individuals too. It's about having someone who understands how the legal system works; who can give proper advice; who will judge the situation correctly and without bias.

Can we see the addresses holding our funds so we know they haven't moved?

Publishing those addresses and signing to demonstrate control would be a huge help in battling the 'fractional reserve' and 'lost our BTC to LabScam' rumors.


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December 05, 2013, 08:52:29 AM
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anyone know when will the G.ASICMINER-PT be transferred to friedcat since it already passed 2 Dec
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Im assuming no one can log onto bitfunder yet?

the site was supposed to be back up yesterday... what a stuff around
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any news?
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I have managed to login to weexchange.co and can see my still pending/processing withdrawal.

There's that.
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an update from cryptocyprus will be released this friday:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3818385#msg3818385

Did I miss the update? It is past 5pm in Cyprus. In Europe, this is pretty much the end of the week...
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an update from cryptocyprus will be released this friday:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3818385#msg3818385

Did I miss the update? It is past 5pm in Cyprus. In Europe, this is pretty much the end of the week...

You missed nothing, we are still waiting
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an update from cryptocyprus will be released this friday:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3818385#msg3818385

Did I miss the update? It is past 5pm in Cyprus. In Europe, this is pretty much the end of the week...

You missed nothing, we are still waiting

Guess there will be no update as promised, no excuse, no update, no btc.  Embarrassed

And if there will be one, there wont be a date when we get our money back. Sad but true

                                                                               
                
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Guess there will be no update as promised, no excuse, no update, no btc.  Embarrassed

Since this is an update about WeExchange, US hours are applicable.
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Guess there will be no update as promised, no excuse, no update, no btc.  Embarrassed

Since this is an update about WeExchange, US hours are applicable.

Do you really believe that?
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Since this is an update about WeExchange, US hours are applicable.

Which time zone?

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Guess there will be no update as promised, no excuse, no update, no btc.  Embarrassed

Since this is an update about WeExchange, US hours are applicable.

Do you really believe that?

Heh, it's a fact. Any news is likely to be on Ukyo's hours since it's about his business, and US hours are certainly applicable anyway. We were told we'd get some kind of update today so let's wait and see before criticising.

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Guess there will be no update as promised, no excuse, no update, no btc.  Embarrassed

Since this is an update about WeExchange, US hours are applicable.

Do you really believe that?

Heh, it's a fact. Any news is likely to be on Ukyo's hours since it's about his business, and US hours are certainly applicable anyway. We were told we'd get some kind of update today so let's wait and see before criticising.

When Danny wrote about the upcoming update, Ukyo said on IRC that he didn't knew what Danny's update was about. Note that this might/probably has changed.
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The update that I had planned for today shall now be made at noon (GMT+2) tomorrow. Sincere apologies for this, however the information that can be provided tomorrow will be much more detailed than previously expected.
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Apologies for the slight delay in getting this information out.

Jon (Ukyo) is now here with me in Cyprus to ensure this problem is resolved for everyone involved.

The bitcoins are simply not there anymore, we are continuing to work through the implementation of a number of solutions to correct the issue. We are hoping to have one of many very important announcements before the Christmas holidays that will enable the bitcoins to be returned to those that are owed, however the run up to the holiday period may cause delays in some aspects.

The solution will take time to pay everyone in full however, there will be no preferential payments and the payments will be distributed proportionally.

A full explanation as to why the bitcoins are no longer there, will be provided as soon as we possibly can.

Neo & Bee has no exposure to the liabilities of WeExchange. The solution will enable Neo & Bee and all of those involved in Bitcoin to benefit greatly in the future.
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None of you will get any of your coins back.  Sorry but that is painfully obvious at this point.
Ukyo is among a handful of scammers right now who are robbing us all blind.

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None of you will get any of your coins back.  Sorry but that is painfully obvious at this point.
Ukyo is among a handful of scammers right now who are robbing us all blind.

Hi VE did you pay him a visit? how was your trip ?
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Apologies for the slight delay in getting this information out.

Jon (Ukyo) is now here with me in Cyprus to ensure this problem is resolved for everyone involved.

The bitcoins are simply not there anymore, we are continuing to work through the implementation of a number of solutions to correct the issue. We are hoping to have one of many very important announcements before the Christmas holidays that will enable the bitcoins to be returned to those that are owed, however the run up to the holiday period may cause delays in some aspects.

The solution will take time to pay everyone in full however, there will be no preferential payments and the payments will be distributed proportionally.

A full explanation as to why the bitcoins are no longer there, will be provided as soon as we possibly can.

Neo & Bee has no exposure to the liabilities of WeExchange. The solution will enable Neo & Bee and all of those involved in Bitcoin to benefit greatly in the future.

 Roll Eyes They arent there anymore? But they want to pay in full? The bitcoins cant vanish. They have to be sent form the addresses. And the wallet cant be lost if you have backups or at least the private keys.
So this is a strange use of words here.

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Apologies for the slight delay in getting this information out.

Jon (Ukyo) is now here with me in Cyprus to ensure this problem is resolved for everyone involved.

The bitcoins are simply not there anymore, we are continuing to work through the implementation of a number of solutions to correct the issue. We are hoping to have one of many very important announcements before the Christmas holidays that will enable the bitcoins to be returned to those that are owed, however the run up to the holiday period may cause delays in some aspects.

The solution will take time to pay everyone in full however, there will be no preferential payments and the payments will be distributed proportionally.

A full explanation as to why the bitcoins are no longer there, will be provided as soon as we possibly can.

Neo & Bee has no exposure to the liabilities of WeExchange. The solution will enable Neo & Bee and all of those involved in Bitcoin to benefit greatly in the future.

 Roll Eyes They arent there anymore? But they want to pay in full? The bitcoins cant vanish. They have to be sent form the addresses. And the wallet cant be lost if you have backups or at least the private keys.
So this is a strange use of words here.

Perhaps authorities seized all of Ukyo's servers and private keys, thereby leaving him with no access to those coins.

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From everything they've said it's pretty clear the justice system is involved and a judge is dictating what can and cannot be done, what can and cannot be said.

The natural assumption is that it's some sort of enforcement from the SEC or some such.

But what if it's the result of a lawsuit from some trigger happy customer?  And the judge ordered the assets frozen until the court unravels the situaiton.

Now that would be amusing.
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Perhaps authorities seized all of Ukyo's servers and private keys, thereby leaving him with no access to those coins.

They know how to do this? I mean i cant imagine ukyo is so noob that he dont know how to back up.

Anyway... why should ukyo fly to cyprus to work with NEOBEE then? When the coins are gone that wouldnt make sense.

If you promise to support my family, following me making that information public at this very moment in time.
You will have to excuse the fact that I value my freedom.

There will be a solution in active progress extremely soon.


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Guess there will be no update as promised, no excuse, no update, no btc.  Embarrassed

Since this is an update about WeExchange, US hours are applicable.

Do you really believe that?

Heh, it's a fact. Any news is likely to be on Ukyo's hours since it's about his business, and US hours are certainly applicable anyway. We were told we'd get some kind of update today so let's wait and see before criticising.


So you waited and ... didn't see.

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None of you will get any of your coins back.  Sorry but that is painfully obvious at this point.
Ukyo is among a handful of scammers right now who are robbing us all blind.

Hi VE did you pay him a visit? how was your trip ?

due to my far location I have delayed the trip so that I can get 2 birds with 1 stone

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still no news from Ukyo....
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Stonehoo - the news is out on the moving forward thread.

VE - your attention seeking knows no bounds! Always entertaining though Smiley

Kano - yes we did. You won't see updates in this thread though.

Seb - you'll need to wait and see, or make your own guesses at the moment unfortunately.
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Kano - yes we did. You won't see updates in this thread though.
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If you mean the update that said the update is delayed but Ukyo has afforded an international flight from USA to Greece - then yep - still no update that was promised quite a while ago now.

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I don't really get the point of liquidating BitFunder and moving funds to WeExchange, if there are no funds at all?

I have 3.2+ BTC on WeExchange but of course can't get past the infamous Could not connect to 2nd stage server. Do you think there are any chance to recover the funds, or is the whole thing yet another scam?
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Do you think there are any chance to recover the funds, or is the whole thing yet another scam?

The announcement of Neo&Bee's involvement would not make sense if it was a scam.
They wouldn't help Ukyo if they figured out it was a scam. And if they were involved in the scam in the first place they wouldn't have announced their involvement.
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"Dear Lawyer,

I've got to tell you something about BASIC-MINING, LABCOIN, ACTIVEMINING and WeExchange.

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Sincerely,

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Do you think there are any chance to recover the funds, or is the whole thing yet another scam?

The announcement of Neo&Bee's involvement would not make sense if it was a scam.
They wouldn't help Ukyo if they figured out it was a scam. And if they were involved in the scam in the first place they wouldn't have announced their involvement.

The announcement makes perfect sense as a stall tactic.  It has already paid off -- Ukyo is in Cyprus, hangin' with Danny.
If it is not a stall tactic, making an announcement "we can't tell you anything 'coz law" makes absolutely no sense.
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[…] would not make sense if it was a scam.
That was said about pretty much every scam ever.

Right... but NEOBEE have their own Business. Helping a scammer for no good reason would hurt their own business badly. Might be they dont have a clue about what really is going on but im pretty sure they are cautious and checked before they jumped in. I mean i wouldnt risk my business so easily.

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[…] would not make sense if it was a scam.
That was said about pretty much every scam ever.

Right... but NEOBEE have their own Business. Helping a scammer for no good reason would hurt their own business badly. Might be they dont have a clue about what really is going on but im pretty sure they are cautious and checked before they jumped in. I mean i wouldnt risk my business so easily.

But as i understand it's not NEOBEE who jumped in.. it's just a single person who is working for NEOBEE...

                                                                               
                
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But as i understand it's not NEOBEE who jumped in.. it's just a single person who is working for NEOBEE...

As for most BTC related projects at this stage.

Google, Apple and Microsoft started with 2, AFAIK Cheesy

If only they had the same success...
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[…] would not make sense if it was a scam.
That was said about pretty much every scam ever.

Right... but NEOBEE have their own Business. Helping a scammer for no good reason would hurt their own business badly. Might be they dont have a clue about what really is going on but im pretty sure they are cautious and checked before they jumped in. I mean i wouldnt risk my business so easily.

But as i understand it's not NEOBEE who jumped in.. it's just a single person who is working for NEOBEE...

Really? I read it from the start that NEOBEE is helping. The announcement from NEOBEE sounded so too. I might be wrong though.

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It's Neo & Bee and they have 30+ people working for them, not just one or two Smiley

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg3732068#msg3732068

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Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.
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Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Does that include the janitor?
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Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Does that include the janitor?

The whole thing was his idea.
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still no news from Ukyo....

just checked WEx...still in Processing mode. sucks.

Date    2013-11-17 16:12:00
Transaction ID    Dnb5QQvKN1tWbR7kULACDrdK89heQn6K
Type    Withdraw
Debit    2.06771160 BTC
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Fee    0.00000000 BTC
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Right... but NEOBEE have their own Business. Helping a scammer for no good reason would hurt their own business badly. Might be they dont have a clue about what really is going on but im pretty sure they are cautious and checked before they jumped in. I mean i wouldnt risk my business so easily.

Your statement is based on the assumption and Neo & Bee want to run a legit business. Unfortunately there is no hard evidence for that.
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Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Does that include the janitor?

Apparently not.  Turns out NO ONE at Neo & Bee is involved.
From Danny* himself :
When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.

*he uses his name on this forum
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Right... but NEOBEE have their own Business. Helping a scammer for no good reason would hurt their own business badly. Might be they dont have a clue about what really is going on but im pretty sure they are cautious and checked before they jumped in. I mean i wouldnt risk my business so easily.

Your statement is based on the assumption and Neo & Bee want to run a legit business. Unfortunately there is no hard evidence for that.

Even if they were scam you need some kind of scammer honor to protect other scammers. Thats not existing. Except you think its a conspiracy.

But im already at the stage of giving up. I cant being angry anymore. Ill wait and at some point i will use an lawyer. Till now i think theres a chance they work on it.

Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Does that include the janitor?

Apparently not.  Turns out NO ONE at Neo & Bee is involved.
From Danny* himself :
When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.

*he uses his name on this forum
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It can be read as no employee is working for ukyo. So no employee costs are used. That doesnt have to mean the NEOBEE-Heads.

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...
Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Does that include the janitor?

Apparently not.  Turns out NO ONE at Neo & Bee is involved.
From Danny* himself :
When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.

*he uses his name on this forum
 Undecided


It can be read as no employee is working for ukyo. So no employee costs are used. That doesnt have to mean the NEOBEE-Heads.

Not sure i understand.  How are you reading these two statements:
Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.
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...
Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Does that include the janitor?

Apparently not.  Turns out NO ONE at Neo & Bee is involved.
From Danny* himself :
When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.

*he uses his name on this forum
 Undecided


It can be read as no employee is working for ukyo. So no employee costs are used. That doesnt have to mean the NEOBEE-Heads.

Not sure i understand.  How are you reading these two statements:
Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.


Yes, it contradicts each other somehow. I only try to find an explaination. The last sentence might mean no paid users are involved so its no cost for NEOBEE and the first sentence might mean they want to say that NEOBEE is fully behind this now. Something like that. But the sentences are strange for sure...

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Not sure i understand.  How are you reading these two statements:
Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.


I'm sure it is just a matter of the definition of "involved".

My guess is that the employees of Neo&Bee are working on the Neo&Bee stuff and not working specifically on the solution to the weex issue.
Jon and Danny are most likely working in Neo&Bee's building which means that the employees are available to help.

The people I have at Neo and Bee are available to me for advice, ideas  in their free time. Also every contact I have are available to me.

Being available to advice makes them "kind of" involved.


Edit:
Reading Danny's quote again makes me think he only meant that they aren't involved in the sense that they aren't getting paid to help.
When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.
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Not sure i understand.  How are you reading these two statements:
Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.


I'm sure it is just a matter of the definition of "involved".

My guess is that the employees of Neo&Bee are working on the Neo&Bee stuff and not working specifically on the solution to the weex issue.
Jon and Danny are most likely working in Neo&Bee's building which means that the employees are available to help.

The people I have at Neo and Bee are available to me for advice, ideas  in their free time. Also every contact I have are available to me.

Being available to advice makes them "kind of" involved.


Edit:
Reading Danny's quote again makes me think he only meant that they aren't involved in the sense that they aren't getting paid to help.
When I say no monetary cost, then NO ONE who works for Neo & Bee is involved, then I mean just that.

Danny made a public statement that Neo & Bee was involved in resolving this thing.  Then he stated that it is not, only he, Danny, an individual, is involved.  This is an entirely different can of beans.

If N&B was involved, it could be held accountable for any wrongdoing as a corporation, with all of its assets exposed.
If it's only Danny, then the corporate money is off limits here -- we're just dealing with a private individual.
You can see how a person might feel more secure knowing that a large corporation is behind a promise, as opposed to only its CEO.
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Basically, all I want to know is: when will we be able to withdraw from WeExchange.

Simple question that needs a simple answer...
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when bitcoin is <250$ maybe  Roll Eyes
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when bitcoin is <250$ maybe  Roll Eyes

Well, actually, that works for me... I just wonder if it will even fall back to that level one day!
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Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.
Does that include the janitor?

Looks like janitor is the man in charge!

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Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.
Does that include the janitor?

Looks like janitor is the man in charge!

That works for me too, if the janitor can refund us Cheesy
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As was announced earlier, most of the coins that were stored in WeExchange.co are now gone. We are still limited in what we can share about how that happened, and what is being done about it, but we do have some updates.

There are still approximately 386btc available in the wallets. These coins will be paid proportionally to all owed users, based on current user balances, by Monday night.

All old withdrawal requests will be removed and each user will need to initiate new withdrawals when this new balance is ready.

Full instructions on how to access the site to process these withdrawals will be provided by 5pm (GMT+2) on Monday 16th December, when you should be able to withdraw the portion of available funds allotted to your account.

This is far from ideal, but it gets every satoshi that is available to those with outstanding balances. When we are able, we will announce more details on what is being done to repay the remaining coins that are owed to WeExchange.co users.

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Hello Everyone,

I would like to say thank you to everyone for being patient and understanding during these difficult times.

All BTC stuck on WeExchange.co has been migrated to a new claim portal. You will notice your BTC balance
on the main weexchange site zero out. Withdraws via the portal will list in your weexchange.co history.
As funds become available they will be dispursed proportionally on this portal for immediate withdraw.
The first round has been dispersed and is ready. Please keep in mind that the amount and percentage
of bitcoins being released is effected by many variables as we tried to make as much available as possible.

Login details are the same as the weexchange.co site.

Below is a link to a weexchange.co claim portal.
https://weexclaims.weexchange.co/

Now, many of you are still quite concerned over the situation, which given the little information released
is sadly expected. I will address what concerns I can for now.

First off, Danny:
Danny has been extremely helpful and supportive of getting things moving forward. Danny has "not" been paid
off or made any offer of early compensation for his help. In fact he made the opposite offer to take his last
after everyone else. He is the real deal when it comes to wanting to help the community and put the community
first. Several other people, some vocal and some not have also been very helpful and this has been much appreciated.

Secondly, Identification documents:
For legal reasons, and as much as we would like, we can not just purge the data. There are many many factors
behind this. The data is kept off-system. This data (and any other data) has not been compromised.

Thirdly, BitFunder remaining balances:
There are a very small number of users on BitFunder who still have balances and need to transfer out due to
WeExchange account linking and various other reasons. Users in this situation are not out of luck for the first
disbursement. As the problems are worked through on BitFunder, the remaining balances will get moved into
the new claim portal and they will be able to collect their equal distribution.

Fourth, Ukyo.Loan shares:
A portal for shares is being setup for claiming shares where users can put in redemption requests. I stopped
depositing interest payouts through BitFunder due to the problems with WeExchange. All interest owed will be
paid out and redemption requests will be honored as soon as it is possible.

Fifth, G.AsicMiner-PT:
A few weeks ago, I sent FriedCat an email and asked him to hold dividends for the AM shares being held. He still
sent that weeks dividends which I currently hold in a separate wallet apart from WeExchange. At that point
all shares were accounted for by dividend payout calculation. (The only method to track shares directly held.)
No transfers have been made since so all shares should be 100% accounted for. I spoke to FriedCat and he agreed
to hold the future dividends and will disperse them as he processes the transfers. Many users have asked to not
use their email address, or public bitcoin address, etc for the transfer and dividends. So it was decided
to use the same portal as the loan shares or a third portal for transfer management so users can decide what
bitcoin address to send the held dividends to, and what email/bitcoin address to list with FriedCat.
FriedCat will get a weekly lists of transfers and will payout the remaining held dividends he is holding.

I want to make one thing very clear. We are working very hard trying to do everything we can to ensure all
users will be able to claim a full 100% of the amount stuck.  No one set out with or currently has the
intention to scam anyone. That is why we are here and doing all this. The available bitcoin issue is not due
to me spending other peoples bitcoins or accidentally deleting the wallet. It is your choice to believe it or not.

As for "getting bitcoins out of him" goes, no matter which direction you may choose to pursue, at this point
all bitcoins we have access to at this moment have been distributed. If more were available, they would be distributed.
As bitcoins become available, they will be distributed via the portal.

I have seen some people talk about meeting up with me. I think this is a great idea. Let me state however, more
details than what you are getting here will not be available and I will not be able to make any "special arrangements".
I state again, no matter what is said or done, I will not be able to "speed things up". This is something we simply
do not have control over. I do think it would be a good idea to have more community interaction though. If you are
interested, PM me on the Forums or IRC and we can try to pick a date between Christmas and New years and a place that
is easy for all in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. If you PM me here, please use the subject "DFW MEETUP" because as you
can imagine I get quite a few PMs and as much as I want to respond to them all, it is very difficult with already
limited time.

And yes, I am still in Cyprus due to an unexpected problem wth the flight and expect to be home for the holidays.

Once again, I would like to extend my deepest apologies for the situation and thank everyone for their patience and
understanding. We will continue to work towards all solutions that will help to correct for this.

Thank You,
Jon Montroll / Ukyo

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I withdrew approx 6% successfully. 94% to go, but it's a start.
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I withdrew approx 6% successfully. 94% to go, but it's a start.

...
This is my prediction:
Within the next week, you and others will receive a small fraction of the money that has been taken from you.  This will create enough "good will" to quiet the detractors, generate fresh hope and buy more time.
Given a choice between hope and nothing, 9 out of 10 people chose hope.

Though i thought it would be a bit more than 6%.  Never stop learning Smiley
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I withdrew approx 6% successfully. 94% to go, but it's a start.

...
This is my prediction:
Within the next week, you and others will receive a small fraction of the money that has been taken from you.  This will create enough "good will" to quiet the detractors, generate fresh hope and buy more time.
Given a choice between hope and nothing, 9 out of 10 people chose hope.

Though i thought it would be a bit more than 6%.  Never stop learning Smiley

Shows on the other hand that it means way more work and time for ukyo to work back the missing coins. Practically gone if he has to really work them back instead being able to reclaim them.

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I found reading this interesting ... who is the CPA?

https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17

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any information when the rest will be available ?

                                                                               
                
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Balance Stuck is 0 for me after a withdraw at weexclaims.
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Balance Stuck is 0 for me after a withdraw at weexclaims.

A lot of users reported the same (I have the same issue, too).

Probably Ukyo/Danny is "playing" with the site, I don't think is anything to be worried about.

You can be much more worried about the 94% left to withdraw  Wink
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I had some withdraws stuck on weexchange, but on the claim sight it says 0 balance stuck 0 available 0 withdrawn 0 and I can't log into the origional site at all.
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^^ I cant log into it either, this is becoming beyond a joke... I could learn how to do their job and then get it done quicker than these fools.

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not able to login to weexchange or bitfunder.

anyone else get in?
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Balance Stuck   0.00000000   Available   0.00000000   Withdrawn   0.00000000
nice, where are my coins?

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The "zero" issue has been fixed now.

Hey everyone,

I finally made it back home. During my trip the backup server decided it was a great time to fail. This caused the main systems to fill up with logs due to current extreme logging that is in place and break cookie data. i.e. cookie data was unavailable meaning new logins were not possible and anyone logged in had empty cookie data so the system showed 0's.

I have already got everything cleaned back up.

I am going to _try_ to get the AM claim port up on Monday and then building in the loan claiming.

-Ukyo
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December 21, 2013, 11:47:33 AM
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well I actually have some of my balance available now, and by some I mean less than 7% I guess its a good idea to start withdrawing bit by bit
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December 21, 2013, 08:23:13 PM
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The "zero" issue has been fixed now.

Really? I have read that in the other thread already. But when i logged in i only see the zeros.

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December 21, 2013, 11:24:59 PM
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The "zero" issue has been fixed now.

Really? I have read that in the other thread already. But when i logged in i only see the zeros.

Confirmed, the zero issue is NOT fixed:

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Balance Stuck   0.00000000   Available   0.00000000   Withdrawn   0.00000000
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December 22, 2013, 12:29:37 AM
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I had some withdraws stuck on weexchange, but on the claim sight it says 0 balance stuck 0 available 0 withdrawn 0 and I can't log into the origional site at all.

same problem here...where are my BTC?

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December 27, 2013, 03:16:46 PM
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I think there has been enough speculation now.
The short of it, is that the funds are not available for distribution.
This is fact. Reasoning behind it won't change this.
We are doing what we can to make funds available to users.
The holidays have greatly disrupted any if not all potential business activity for the past few weeks.
Right now my biggest goal is to get AM claim system up while keeping everything else moving as best as things allow in the mean time.

I will post an update as soon as the AM claim portal is ready.

Thank you for your continued patience.

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January 16, 2014, 06:18:12 AM
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Balance Stuck   0.00000000   Available   0.00000000   Withdrawn   0.00000000

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January 17, 2014, 02:57:43 AM
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So going on three months for some folks, they deposited money to WeExchange, and the coins 'magically vanished' and we still don't even have an excuse why they went missing.

And most people are oddly thinking that they will somehow get their coins back, I suppose? 

Just doesn't make much sense.  This was about the easiest, most painless multi million dollar scam that I have ever heard of in my life.  Ukyo Jon Montroll does not even have a negative trust rating.  And I'm guessing only 1/10 of the people he scammed even know of these threads existence.  What a sad new big scam for the world of bitcoin.

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January 17, 2014, 03:09:46 AM
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I'ma let you finish, but look, "g