NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[skytaper]

More importantly the agreement would not say I own your BTC nor I would bitch around if my system broke, I would pay my dues.

-Lophie

Great! That's true business man do true business!

It's nice to see someone who takes personal responsibility.

 I don't want to see hyip manager to run the biggest nxt exchange anymore. So, we need another biggest exchange. Best wishes, lophie!

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[msin]

Yes automatic withdrawals and deposits for both NXT and Bitcoin and possibly other cryptos. Yes signed ssl certificates and, feesbas low as 0.2% with no fees for withdrawals with any currency except the network fees.

More importantly the agreement would not say I own your BTC nor I would bitch around if my system broke, I would pay my dues.

-Lophie

+1 Good work Lophie, the sooner the better, I have several 100k Nxt I'll throw in to get things going and spread the wealth.  We need a better dedicated exchange, Dgex and Ripple are not doing it for me.

[allwelder]

This guy is very productive - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402032.msg4354079#msg4354079

Where is the link?

[ZeroTheGreat]

I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ?

By actions! For example, (honest) Bitcoiners and Nxters in consensus, each one supports liked sysem. No voting needed and no one is suppressed.

[utopianfuture]

I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ?

By actions! For example, (honest) Bitconers and Nxters in consensus, each one supports liked sysem. No voting needed and no one is suppressed.

We are not talking about bitcoin here, aren't we?  Now could you answer my question?

[ZeroTheGreat]

I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ?

By actions! For example, (honest) Bitconers and Nxters in consensus, each one supports liked sysem. No voting needed and no one is suppressed.

We are not talking about bitcoin here, aren't we?  Now could you answer my question?

Same with alias-selling supporters and haters. Both groups can be in consensus w/o voting. Each group'll have their own network (if could manage it, ofc). No supression! Which problem can u solve with global voting and can't solve with actions? I can't imagine any, so idea of voting (people/coins, doesn't matter) doesn't fit in decentralized system. Like 3rd leg.

[utopianfuture]

I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ?

By actions! For example, (honest) Bitconers and Nxters in consensus, each one supports liked sysem. No voting needed and no one is suppressed.

We are not talking about bitcoin here, aren't we?  Now could you answer my question?

Same with alias-selling supporters and haters. Both groups can be in consensus w/o voting. Each group'll have their own network (if could manage it, ofc). No supression!

So you don't mind the developer  implementing voting system for me right? If you don't want to vote, just don't vote. What is the matter then?

[ZeroTheGreat]

I'm curios why anyone need it. And I can't command u or dev. Ofc, I'm still disagree with idea, for now not so strong to leave project immidiately (I foresee many discussions and, may be, fail of implementation, not a technical one, I suppose), but strong enough to discuss it  

[utopianfuture]

I'm curios why anyone need it. And I can't command u or dev. Ofc, I'm still disagree with idea, for now not so strong to leave project immidiately (I foresee many discussions and, may be fail of implementation, not a technical one, I suppose), but strong enough to discuss it  

Well we will need it when NXT is as big as Skynet and we need to decide whether to destroy Kim jong jun to free the people there.
 

[ZeroTheGreat]

If you don't want to vote, just don't vote

Incorrect. I don't want such feature to exist.

[utopianfuture]

If you don't want to vote, just don't vote

Incorrect. I don't want such feature to exist.

So why do you want to "suppress" my request?

[ZeroTheGreat]

Well we will need it when NXT is as big as Skynet and we need to decide whether to destroy Kim jong jun to free the people there.

Still can be solved with actions.

In my eyes Nxt is absolutely silent. No one can talk as Nxt. It'd not be saying: "Let's go bomb some place!", saying anything. Such thing would mean exactly center exists and growing (less people, more power).

[ZeroTheGreat]

If you don't want to vote, just don't vote

Incorrect. I don't want such feature to exist.

So why do you want to "suppress" my request?

Request can't be supressed by me. Dev or implement it, or decline request. In near future I'm not going to code anything myself. And it's really not a request, it's planned feature as I recall, what concerns me more than form of someone's request.

[utopianfuture]

Well we will need it when NXT is as big as Skynet and we need to decide whether to destroy Kim jong jun to free the people there.

Still can be solved with actions.

In my eyes Nxt is absolutely silent. No one can talk as Nxt. It'd not be saying: "Let's go bomb some place!", saying anything. Such thing would mean exactly center exists and growing (less people, more power).

Nah it would work like this. An account would broadcast an message request a voting on bombing a certain place before a deadline. Accounts   would vote or not vote before deadline. At deadline if the votes are enough, drones will be sent out automatically to carry the mission.

[rickyjames]

Closure On The EpicThomas Attack Of 31 Dec 2013

OK, time for EpicThomas restitution distribution.

EpicThomas has sent 47,960 NXT to my account 16092180239932658439 as a restitution payment for NXT lost in his hack attack of December 31.

From the previous charity distribution described at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4275210#msg4275210 this is the split applied:

Framewood: 35.16%
plasticAiredals: 6.56%
newcn: 6.39%
sparta_cuss: 51.89%

So I have transfered:

47960*0.3516 = 16863 to Framewood's  11516574435181434547
47960*0.0656 = 03146 sent to PlasticAiredale's  17139321135754562770
47960*0.0639 = 03065 sent to newcn's 13187911577562526278
47960*0.5189 = 24886 sent to Sparta-cuss's 14748981975238803545

These actions can be verified via the block explorer at http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=34 .  Between charity and restitution payments, these four individuals have now recovered just shy of 30% of their losses.

There still  remains doubt over whether the bandit accounts associated with this heist contain stolen NXT or darkNXT.   Furthermore, the sentiment  in the NXT general forum seems to be that EpicThomas paying a restitution of 47,960 NXT balances the scales of justice for his crime of distributing infected NXT clients on December 31, 2013.

Accordingly, I consider the matter of EpicThomas to be closed and I will take no further actions regarding him.

[msin]

Closure On The EpicThomas Attack Of 31 Dec 2013

OK, time for EpicThomas restitution distribution.

EpicThomas has sent 47,960 NXT to my account 16092180239932658439 as a restitution payment for NXT lost in his hack attack of December 31.

From the previous charity distribution described at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4275210#msg4275210 this is the split applied:

Framewood: 35.16%
plasticAiredals: 6.56%
newcn: 6.39%
sparta_cuss: 51.89%

So I have transfered:

47960*0.3516 = 16863 to Framewood's  11516574435181434547
47960*0.0656 = 03146 sent to PlasticAiredale's  17139321135754562770
47960*0.0639 = 03065 sent to newcn's 13187911577562526278
47960*0.5189 = 24886 sent to Sparta-cuss's 14748981975238803545

These actions can be verified via the block explorer at http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=34 .  Between charity and restitution payments, these four individuals have now recovered just shy of 30% of their losses.

There still  remains doubt over whether the bandit accounts associated with this heist contain stolen NXT or darkNXT.   Furthermore, the sentiment  in the NXT general forum seems to be that EpicThomas paying a restitution of 47,960 NXT balances the scales of justice for his crime of distributing infected NXT clients on December 31, 2012.

Accordingly, I consider the matter of EpicThomas to be closed and I will take no further actions regarding him.

Nice work on that rickyjames, thanks for regulating.

[joefox]

Here's a fun diversion.  I just waded through hundreds of pages of CfB and Jean-Luc's posts to build a full change log history for Nxt:

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_Software_Change_Log

I also want to point out a comment I found in a forum thread.  Guess which cryptocurrency this guy is talking about?

the genius doesn't lie in the code base, but in the algorithms and that the code is crap. I agree with that assessment. ... I've been thinking about refactoring the code myself. Everybody is afraid of breaking it since it appears to work, and that is reasonable to an extent, but on the other hand this code base is utterly unsuitable for serious work.

It's Bitcoin.  And the thread was started in June 2013.  Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225163.0

[pandaisftw]

I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ?

By actions! For example, (honest) Bitcoiners and Nxters in consensus, each one supports liked sysem. No voting needed and no one is suppressed.

I already explained this to you. NXT is not the same as bitcoin. Bitcoin does not use hallmarks because it is PoW. NXT uses hallmarks.

I can create 1000 non-hallmarked nodes, they will support the network but they have 0 power vs. hallmarked nodes (meaning, my 1000 nodes would be rejected if the hallmarked nodes are running a different fork). As I pointed out earlier, people running the hallmarked nodes are not necessarily representing the majority of stakeholders.

I'm curious though, how do you mean voting would suppress people?

[rickyjames]

Hey, just for the record, here's something I noticed from actually sending NXT four times in a row.  Regarding the final message in the process, "The money is sent" - a native English speaker would never say or write that.  They would say "The money WAS sent" of "The money HAS BEEN sent".  I would recommend changing that...

[utopianfuture]

Well we will need it when NXT is as big as Skynet and we need to decide whether to destroy Kim jong jun to free the people there.

Still can be solved with actions.

In my eyes Nxt is absolutely silent. No one can talk as Nxt. It'd not be saying: "Let's go bomb some place!", saying anything. Such thing would mean exactly center exists and growing (less people, more power).

Explain how can my hypothetical example be solved with "action" ?