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January 31, 2014, 09:32:52 AM
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ANNOUNCEMENT  Nxt Net Application http://95.85.8.113:9000/nxtnet

P.S. I'm surprised nobody tried to upload a torrent file; I recall someone wanted this feature very much.


I think its cause no one got how to do.
With an step by step how to it would get more drive...

so is this a torrent explorer like piratebay?

It's better: it can't be shutdown by authorities because data is stored in Nxt blockchain.

If people are interested I can release a desktop app similar to the web app that connects directly to NRS node.

awesome

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January 31, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
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Funny thing. Lyaffe made a challenge with guessing a passphrase https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3718.0.html

I decided to simplify rules, created an account with simple passphrase and sent 100 Nxt to that account. The passphrase was an answer to the question: "I'm a big fun of soap operas and have no idea about security.". Guess what. Someone stole 100 Nxt before I even managed to post the question Smiley

What the hell? How is that possible?

Obviously someone has an instant access to the account with passphrase "santabarbara" and auto withdrawal.

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January 31, 2014, 09:46:50 AM
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@CfB: I have 41 api calls so far. Would the prototype for the 'getAccount' call (number42) look like this...

Yes.

heyhey - the new api call works!

balance - 145402
assetBalances - [{'balance': 999837, 'asset': '14269709746849295412'}, {'balance': 60000, 'asset': '7527606552308067548'}, {'balance': 499998, 'asset': '15328485893864579482'}, {'balance': 100, 'asset': '7684392128795615477'}, {'balance': 49999910, 'asset': '12071405555361162374'}]
publicKey - 58be6060e13815503922acc3f0a9d4524f71b09b4d4a4a7c247907e4432af44c
effectiveBalance - 145400

 and even better: I have the API wrapped up so nicely, I can just add an extra call in half an hour!  Grin

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January 31, 2014, 09:48:26 AM
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The fact that dollar has been reserve currency for the world (international trade denominated in dollars) has allowed america to do one thing no other country could. Print money to get stuff from other countries. Nice advantage that allowed deficit spending for so long.

James

It's also allowed us to export our inflation, which does nothing to endear us to the folks that have to bear the brunt of our completely fucked fiscal policy.
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January 31, 2014, 09:57:48 AM
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Part of Nxt Messaging is already implemented (Arbitrary Messages, Alias System), part is being implemented (Account Control).


How will Account Control affect the current AM?

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January 31, 2014, 10:02:41 AM
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2 photos:
You see 2 cables going into the box, atm the batteries need a first charge with normal 5V/1A powersupplys, it should be done in ~14 hours


And the parts in the box:


If the community like it, I can send it to one of the Berlin conference people. Well, please resend to me when finished Wink

Todo:
- testing odroid U3 + XU
- measure power consumption of all parts, batteries and solar panel to optimice power usage for offgrid solar NXT nodes
- make a list off all pars + weblinks to shops
- howto
- ...

Greets,
eb

You could drill a hole thru the plastic instead of having to squeeze the ethernet cord....then it would be enclosed and maybe waterproof.


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January 31, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
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Part of Nxt Messaging is already implemented (Arbitrary Messages, Alias System), part is being implemented (Account Control).


How will Account Control affect the current AM?

It won't.
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January 31, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
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Rickyjames, Texas conference etc --

I can send you additional business card holders. Also, I'll have my dad do a test run on the stainless steel water bottles and see how they turn out (fingers crossed).

rj, justabit, nifty etc -- how many people do we anticipate a team of Nxt representatives would meet over the course of a conference? IOW, if I was to engrave a batch of bottles (or keychains, or <insert swag>), how many should I whip up? 20? 100?
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January 31, 2014, 10:23:06 AM
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@ AE client devs:

What data about a trade do u need? Is this enough:

- asset
- quantity
- price
- block (to get timestamp)
- position relative to other trades from the same block
- account of the seller
- account of the buyer

?
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January 31, 2014, 10:25:04 AM
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2 photos:
You see 2 cables going into the box, atm the batteries need a first charge with normal 5V/1A powersupplys, it should be done in ~14 hours


And the parts in the box:


If the community like it, I can send it to one of the Berlin conference people. Well, please resend to me when finished Wink

Todo:
- testing odroid U3 + XU
- measure power consumption of all parts, batteries and solar panel to optimice power usage for offgrid solar NXT nodes
- make a list off all pars + weblinks to shops
- howto
- ...

Greets,
eb

You could drill a hole thru the plastic instead of having to squeeze the ethernet cord....then it would be enclosed and maybe waterproof.



On the same note, can I suggest that you get some panel mounted IO ports. Like this panel mounted USB port - http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/08/23/new-panel-mount-usb-cable-b-female-to-mini-b-male-and-panel-mount-usb-cable-b-female-to-micro-b-male/. One for the ethernet cable and solar panel connectors would look great too.

A couple of NXT stickers on the sides of the box, line the insides with strips of LEDs, a bit of cable management and it will look amazing. It's the little things that make a setup/prototype like this. From experience, if you're going to do this you have to do it right and not have it look hacked together. That will scream the wrong message at people - "You can only do something like this if you are a genius". Even removing the casing from the batteries might make the whole thing look a little bit cooler (by doing this you can access their power switches then, such that you could daisy chain the power switches to one master switch mounted on the front of the box).

Also, purely from an Electrical Engineers pedantic perspective - I would mount a small fan running at low RPM on one of the sides of the box to prevent the entire thing from overheating.

Keep up the good work!  Smiley

Edit: On a very slightly related note - I don't suppose anyone has been watching this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334701.0. We could potentially launch a satellite and a swarm of solar powered forgers that locally communicate with the satellite. While Bitcoin might beat us to the first blockchain broadcast to/from space we can surely be the first to successfully secure our network (by forging) in space.

TL;DR: NXT IN OUTERSPACE!

In times of change, it is the learners who will inherit the earth, while the learned will find themselves beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists.
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January 31, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
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can there be contracts with nxt? is there a document?
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January 31, 2014, 10:50:08 AM
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@ AE client devs:

What data about a trade do u need? Is this enough:

- asset
- quantity
- price
- block (to get timestamp)
- position relative to other trades from the same block
- account of the seller
- account of the buyer

?

yes, I have something important. Include the ORDERIDS of the two orders that have been used to create the trade!!!!

There is a very important extra information in each TRADE. The timestamps of the two orders are important,

Let me try to explain. In a limit order book with resident limit orders and instant market orders, we have the mechanism as follows: LimitOrders do nothing when they are not matched, but will NOT execute above or below their limit (not above for buy orders, or not below for sell orders).

Now consider the Market Orders: They get the next best OPPOSITE limit order for execution.

That means:
If I buy using a market order, I get the LOWEST sell limit order, i.e. I have to BUY ONE TICK UP
If I sell using a market order, I get the HIGHETS buy limit order, i.e. I have to sell ONE TICK DOWN

Do a roundtrip:  example:                     buy at lowest sell = buy at 101
                                    immediately     sell again at lowest buy = sell at 100 ---> INSTANT MONEY LOST!
                                                            
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The logic behind this is the following: A trade always has two counterparties, the buyer and the seller.

One of them is 'resident', the other is 'initiator'.

The 'initiator' always thinks that his wish to trade is more urgent than the 'resident'. This is reflected by the fact, that the 'resident' GETS THE BETTER DEAL of the two, because the 'initiator' has to pay the 'residents' price.

Sort of like a 'goes the mountain to the prophet, or the prophet to the mountain' - game. That's the market for you in a nutshell.

In the market, this will be reflected as follows:

When people are BUYING, it is lots of BUYERS who go to the SELLERS. THE PRICE GOES UP.
When people are SELLING, it is lots of SELLERS who go to the BUYERS THE PRICE GOES DOWN.

This is the result of many trades.
Thus, when looking at a TRADE, it is very important to be able to tell which of the two parties was the 'initiator', and which was the 'resident'!!!

NXT does not seem to have market orders, but market orders are emulated by limit orders, that simply cross the threshold of the other side.

But in order to be able to gather this important information, it should be enough to include the two order ids that have been matched into a trade, and extract their timestamps.

However, if the orders are destroyed when thay are matched, I think it is crucial to include the timestamps of the two orders in the TRANSACTION!!


(I'll just post this this, and if the layout explodes I'll edit it afterwards)



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January 31, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
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yes, I have something important. Include the ORDERIDS of the two orders that have been used to create the trade!!!!

OrderId can't be used, zero-amount orders r removed completely.


One of them is 'resident', the other is 'initiator'.

This won't work. Who is Resident and who is Initiator is defined by forgers, not by owners of orders.
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January 31, 2014, 10:57:32 AM
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yes, I have something important. Include the ORDERIDS of the two orders that have been used to create the trade!!!!

OrderId can't be used, zero-amount orders r removed completely.


One of them is 'resident', the other is 'initiator'.

This won't work. Who is Resident and who is Initiator is defined by forgers, not by owners of orders.

don't know - two orders are matched only when they cross in price - so the the one that comes later is the initiator, and the one that was there earlier is the resident. I think it would be enough to simply include the timestamps of the two orders, that is all information that is needed
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January 31, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
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don't know - two orders are matched only when they cross in price - so the the one that comes later is the initiator, and the one that was there earlier is the resident. I think it would be enough to simply include the timestamps of the two orders, that is all information that is needed

Forgers "overwrite" timestamps of transactions upon including into a block. Even worse, if 2 matched orders included into the same block then Resident/Initiator is determined by ids of the orders.
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January 31, 2014, 11:00:11 AM
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can there be contracts with nxt? is there a document?

The following features are listed under the wiki's 'planned features' section:

multisig/escrow
two-phase payments
smart contracts

So out of those three, it looks like some fairly robust contracts can be cooked up. I would personally like to see more info on smart contracts.
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January 31, 2014, 11:05:31 AM
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don't know - two orders are matched only when they cross in price - so the the one that comes later is the initiator, and the one that was there earlier is the resident. I think it would be enough to simply include the timestamps of the two orders, that is all information that is needed

Forgers "overwrite" timestamps of transactions upon including into a block. Even worse, if 2 matched orders included into the same block then Resident/Initiator is determined by ids of the orders.

could it be possible to introduce a protected field 'timeOfCreation' into an order, that will not be overwritten by the forgers, and can then be put into the transaction field? I understand that there may be a reason for the forgers to overwrite the timestamps, but when we put the 'timeOfCreation' into a part of the payload of the order, we could get it out of the way of what the forgers are doing ...
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January 31, 2014, 11:06:01 AM
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can there be contracts with nxt? is there a document?

The following features are listed under the wiki's 'planned features' section:

multisig/escrow
two-phase payments
smart contracts

So out of those three, it looks like some fairly robust contracts can be cooked up. I would personally like to see more info on smart contracts.

Curious, how is multi-sig supposed to work when the account # is limited in length?

 
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January 31, 2014, 11:10:57 AM
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could it be possible to introduce a protected field 'timeOfCreation' into an order, that will not be overwritten by the forgers, and can then be put into the transaction field? I understand that there may be a reason for the forgers to overwrite the timestamps, but when we put the 'timeOfCreation' into a part of the payload of the order, we could get it out of the way of what the forgers are doing ...

Original timestamp is saved, but it means nothing. It also can be faked by transaction sender.
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January 31, 2014, 11:15:37 AM
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Who is the owner of the blockexplorer?

The "statistics" page shows a chart of the daily fees. I would like to see this data, but there was a day with 500.000 NXT fee that just fucks up the whole data. Would it be possible to make a log chart?

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=40&sub=4
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