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[jl777]

As long as we trust Salsacz to make good decisions, then it is a matter of monthly budget. This is Feb. Are we really so objectively dissatisfied with January's marketing results that you are considering to not funding Feb? Are you ignoring emunie, etherium and mastercoin? They all make releases in Feb. You suggest to stop marketing spending now???

James

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Its been less than a month....i'm not asking for any results at the moment just for Salsacz to come up with some objective metrics so the community can quickly judge and decide when future portions are to be released.

EDIT: example No.1. RADIO SPOT or PRINT AD SPOT....which one had more results versus spent cost etc.


OBJECTIVE METRICS == Number of Tweets mentioning Nxt...per. day after the marketing effort. etc.

There is the problem. In order to get metrics on radio effectiveness, we will have to spend just as much or more to measure it with scientific polling of target demographic.

I keep saying marketing takes time, you say you are not asking for any results, but you are.

Do you have a problem with the quality of the marketing materials? The existing marketing bounties? The translations?

I think you might be confusing marketing with advertising. Advertising is directly measurable. I am open to advertising, but last I checked the NXT community was very set against it.

Advertising is directly measurable. Marketing/PR is not. To evaluate Marketing/PR you need to analyze the work product they release, eg. the content. Any problems there? you need to make sure what they are doing is reasonable.

Is our marketing plan unreasonable?

Please do not ask for marketing to be put under constraints that it should not be put under.

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[landomata]

landomata: it is impossible to get 100% metrics.

agree

[landomata]

There is the problem. In order to get metrics on radio effectiveness, we will have to spend just as much or more to measure it with scientific polling of target demographic.

not with twitter.


Salsacz is already tracking online media....so I think this is a natural progression.

[jl777]

@ Salscaz:

OBJECTIVE METRICS == Number of Tweets mentioning Nxt...per. day after the marketing effort. etc

you can build on this easily per. week.....per region.....very objective.

EDIT: Did the tweets spike up in southern California region after the LTB radio show?  we can track this for the next episode.

radio takes at least 3 exposures to have a measurable effect
Also do you care about commuters in California or crypto industry decision makers?
If you feel you can do marketing so well, then please become more active in marketing thread. The issue here is to BEGIN funding marketing with unclaimed NXT.

Do you think the marketing team deserves to get Feb's funding? Yes or No. If no, what is the reason?

[jl777]

There is the problem. In order to get metrics on radio effectiveness, we will have to spend just as much or more to measure it with scientific polling of target demographic.

not with twitter.


Salsacz is already tracking online media....so I think this is a natural progression.

There was a guy that paid to get a bunch of tweets or something like that. What good it total number of tweets?

[landomata]

@ Salscaz:

OBJECTIVE METRICS == Number of Tweets mentioning Nxt...per. day after the marketing effort. etc

you can build on this easily per. week.....per region.....very objective.

EDIT: Did the tweets spike up in southern California region after the LTB radio show?  we can track this for the next episode.

radio takes at least 3 exposures to have a measurable effect
Also do you care about commuters in California or crypto industry decision makers?
If you feel you can do marketing so well, then please become more active in marketing thread. The issue here is to BEGIN funding marketing with unclaimed NXT.

Do you think the marketing team deserves to get Feb's funding? Yes or No. If no, what is the reason?

Yes they should receive Feb funding....the Miami conference results were more than enough....we need to continue the momentum.

[landomata]

There is the problem. In order to get metrics on radio effectiveness, we will have to spend just as much or more to measure it with scientific polling of target demographic.

not with twitter.


Salsacz is already tracking online media....so I think this is a natural progression.

There was a guy that paid to get a bunch of tweets or something like that. What good it total number of tweets?

lets get Salsacz's opinion on the matter.

[jl777]

There is the problem. In order to get metrics on radio effectiveness, we will have to spend just as much or more to measure it with scientific polling of target demographic.

not with twitter.


Salsacz is already tracking online media....so I think this is a natural progression.

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=40&sub=6

Big spike in new accts today. Is this good enough for you? Also notice the spike at beginning of Jan, that was from marketing push around the source code release
Is this good enough?

What is your problem with our marketing effort? It is like people complaining about nexern's client's color scheme. Should we pull his funding because somebody doesn't like the color scheme? Or because he is a week late?

Find competent people. Trust them to do a good job. Delegate.

James

[jl777]

@ Salscaz:

OBJECTIVE METRICS == Number of Tweets mentioning Nxt...per. day after the marketing effort. etc

you can build on this easily per. week.....per region.....very objective.

EDIT: Did the tweets spike up in southern California region after the LTB radio show?  we can track this for the next episode.

radio takes at least 3 exposures to have a measurable effect
Also do you care about commuters in California or crypto industry decision makers?
If you feel you can do marketing so well, then please become more active in marketing thread. The issue here is to BEGIN funding marketing with unclaimed NXT.

Do you think the marketing team deserves to get Feb's funding? Yes or No. If no, what is the reason?

Yes they should receive Feb funding....the Miami conference results were more than enough....we need to continue the momentum.

Exactly! Thank you.

OK, CfB, please release 250K from unclaimed NXT for Feb marketing budget.

James

[l8orre]

CfB can offer a minimum bound on bandwidth required for 1000 TPS (1 MBS) but can't say how many NXT service nodes that can handle the full blockchain are required.

I forgot about a very important detail. 1000 tps @ 1 Mbps assumes that we use binary protocol. Now all data in protocol is encoded in JSON, this adds 3x-5x overhead.

We have to migrate to binary protocol before switching TF on.

I guess after the migration that the API as we know it now would cease to exist?  If so, how about if we did switch to full TF, but kept JSON transport?  Obviously we couldnt expect 1Mtps then, but could we expect 200Ktps?

If so that should sustain us well long enough to get a testbed setup to convert peerexplorer, block explorers, and custom clients over to a binary transport protocol.

@CfB & Client Devs: I was seriously considering putting the requests sent to the NRS into a separate thread in order not to block the GUI while it is under way. With MANY requests passing back and forth, this can be a real problem, when the GUI seems unresponsive!

Do you guys use a separate NRS-request Thread?  And is this still neccessary when the legacy thing CfB mentioned is droppped?

[abctc]

AM contest vote!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444081.0

- I propose to allocate 4 * 15k NXT from 10m unclaimed fund for 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th places in this contest.  

All the participants did a good programming work, and they deserve a solid consolation prizes.

[gimre]

Does anybody know how to setup a testnet? How many servers, etc.
I might need to get one setup as early as end of next week.

James

obtain a list of participants, have them generate new accounts from new passphrases

these particiapants will provide IP addresses of their clients that will particpate.  these IP addresses will be used in wellknownpeers files

set up a network of clients that are configured to use some other 2 ports other than 7874/7875

have a member on 1 client willing to send NXT from their local client on the testnet from an existing account to all other new accounts

then we are basically running on an isolated fork with just limited people

Thanks!

There is already one testnet running, search the thread.
Running another one doesn't seem to have much sense

[EmoneyRu]

Plz test free OpenShift VPS and thank fanaticalfishing if it works.

[landomata]

What is your problem with our marketing effort?
James

You forgot a seconded your initial idea for marketing fund which was released to Salsacz....so i'm very very pro marketing if I may say so.

[jl777]

Does anybody know how to setup a testnet? How many servers, etc.
I might need to get one setup as early as end of next week.

James

obtain a list of participants, have them generate new accounts from new passphrases

these particiapants will provide IP addresses of their clients that will particpate.  these IP addresses will be used in wellknownpeers files

set up a network of clients that are configured to use some other 2 ports other than 7874/7875

have a member on 1 client willing to send NXT from their local client on the testnet from an existing account to all other new accounts

then we are basically running on an isolated fork with just limited people

Thanks!

There is already one testnet running, search the thread.
Running another one doesn't seem to have much sense

The testnet I am talking about will have libzerocoin integrated into it. Wont be compatible with existing testnet

[landomata]

AM contest vote!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444081.0

- I propose to allocate 4 * 15k NXT from 10m unclaimed fund for 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th places in this contest.  

All the participants did a good programming work, and they deserve a solid consolation prizes.

+1

[jl777]

What is your problem with our marketing effort?
James

You forgot a seconded your idea for marketing fund which was released to Salsacz....so i'm very very pro marketing if I may say so.

Sorry about that. Getting tired and didn't expect a big debate on marketing funding.
I am glad we come to agreement.

[jl777]

OK, so I am assuming that there is a significant majority in favor of funding NXT marketing for Feb from unclaimed NXT.

This is about funding, not about specific marketing expenditures. If you want to feedback on specific expenditures, etc. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.440 is the right thread. It is an open process, best ideas win. Marketing meritocracy.

So, is anybody against funding marketing team for Feb?

I will be offline as it is late. I hope not to wake up to more debate over spending 250,000 out of 10 million NXT on Feb. But if there is debate I will debate. I hope to wake up to see CfB has transferred 250K from unclaimed NXT to marketing team.

Continuity in Marketing is important. Please continue funding Marketing. We are in critical time of other second gen making releases.

James

[marcus03]

CfB can offer a minimum bound on bandwidth required for 1000 TPS (1 MBS) but can't say how many NXT service nodes that can handle the full blockchain are required.

I forgot about a very important detail. 1000 tps @ 1 Mbps assumes that we use binary protocol. Now all data in protocol is encoded in JSON, this adds 3x-5x overhead.

We have to migrate to binary protocol before switching TF on.

I guess after the migration that the API as we know it now would cease to exist?  If so, how about if we did switch to full TF, but kept JSON transport?  Obviously we couldnt expect 1Mtps then, but could we expect 200Ktps?

If so that should sustain us well long enough to get a testbed setup to convert peerexplorer, block explorers, and custom clients over to a binary transport protocol.

@CfB & Client Devs: I was seriously considering putting the requests sent to the NRS into a separate thread in order not to block the GUI while it is under way. With MANY requests passing back and forth, this can be a real problem, when the GUI seems unresponsive!

Do you guys use a separate NRS-request Thread?  And is this still neccessary when the legacy thing CfB mentioned is droppped?

I'd advise to put communication with NRS in seperate, non-GUI threads. That's what I do in my client, except for things like sending NXT which I don't want to go through the more complex logic of another thread.

[S3MKi]

AM contest vote!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444081.0

- I propose to allocate 4 * 15k NXT from 10m unclaimed fund for 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th places in this contest.  

All the participants did a good programming work, and they deserve a solid consolation prizes.

why not? good idea. +1