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December 16, 2014, 01:20:24 AM
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FDIC arose from public demands for protection due to bank runs that destroyed life savings and cratered the economy. These bank runs were a direct consequence of fractional reserve lending. FDIC was simply the wrong solution to the problem.

The 1930s was probably the last chance to avert a major economic collapse that is now probably unstoppable. Had we as a nation instituted the Chicago plan our economic situation today would be very different.

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The Chicago plan was a collection of banking reforms suggested by University of Chicago economists in the wake of the Great Depression. A six-page memorandum on banking reform was given limited and confidential distribution to about 40 individuals on March 16, 1933. The plan was supported by such notable economists as Frank H. Knight, Lloyd W. Mints, Henry Schultz, Henry C. Simons, Garfield V. Cox, Aaron Director, Paul H. Douglas, and Albert G. Hart.
 
These memoranda generated much interest and discussion among lawmakers but the suggested reforms, such as the abolition of the fractional reserve system and imposition of 100% reserves on demand deposits, were set aside and replaced by watered down alternative measures. The Banking Act of 1935 institutionalized Federal deposit insurance and the separation of commercial and investment banking. It successfully restored the public's confidence in the banking system and ended discussion of banking reform.[1]

Of course even if the Chicago plan been implemented vested interests would likely have overturned it eventually. Sometimes people and societies have to learn lessons the hard way.

Fractional reserve banking is not without its advantages. If high reserves on deposits were made mandatory, banks would need to charge a huge spread on their loans to ensure that the return on capital is acceptable.

The problem is when the reserve ratio was unregulated, banks tried to make it as low as possible because that would result in higher return on capital. The reserve ratio is being increased to acceptable levels through the various Basel standards. The objective seems to be to keep the RR high enough to minimize risk of the bank going bust, but sufficiently low to generate acceptable returns on capital.
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December 16, 2014, 01:53:39 AM
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Fractional reserve banking is not without its advantages. If high reserves on deposits were made mandatory, banks would need to charge a huge spread on their loans to ensure that the return on capital is acceptable.

Knowledge can't be financed (which was the entire point of the linked essays in the OP which I wrote in 2010 or 2012) so good riddance.

The problem is when the reserve ratio was unregulated...

Regulation always means the regulated capture the regulators. Top-down collectivization is the problem. How many more times is humanity going to fall for that nonsense? Answer: forever.

The only solution I see are to continue to make frontiers.
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December 16, 2014, 03:14:37 AM
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Fractional reserve banking is not without its advantages. If high reserves on deposits were made mandatory, banks would need to charge a huge spread on their loans to ensure that the return on capital is acceptable.

Untrue nothing prevents banks from making a conservative living via time deposits. Banks could make an acceptable return by matching capital from lenders to appropriate borrowers or lending out their own capital. Obviously there is no problem with time deposits having a 0% reserve requirement as said funds would be returned to the depositor only when the loan was paid back.

In any honest system, demand deposits would be subject to 100% reserve requirements. Anything other then a 100% reserve allows the banking institution to artificially inflate the monetary supply to its own benefit and to the detriment of all other holders of the currency.

The problem is when the reserve ratio was unregulated, banks tried to make it as low as possible because that would result in higher return on capital. The reserve ratio is being increased to acceptable levels through the various Basel standards. The objective seems to be to keep the RR high enough to minimize risk of the bank going bust, but sufficiently low to generate acceptable returns on capital.

Banks want minimize the reserve ratio. This allows them to maximize the extent of their theft. Of course the real trick is to make reserve requirements effectively meaningless so banks can operate unrestrained by such petty concerns. Fortunately for the banks this is something that they have already accomplished.

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December 16, 2014, 07:47:02 AM
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Who cares about fractional reserves?! Did you guys forget about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/18/truth-money-iou-bank-of-england-austerity
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December 16, 2014, 09:22:00 AM
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December 16, 2014, 11:14:24 AM
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Who cares about fractional reserves?! Did you guys forget about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/18/truth-money-iou-bank-of-england-austerity

This is considered incredible material in a newspaper? I know it's the Guardian, but this just further confirms my opinion of the public- if a reporter can only half understand the mechanism of money as debt, how will the general public fare? Only took them a century to catch on.

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Just consider what might happen if mortgage holders realised the money the bank lent them is not, really, the life savings of some thrifty pensioner, but something the bank just whisked into existence through its possession of a magic wand which we, the public, handed over to it.

Answer- absolutely nothing. Those that cared to investigate the nature of the system would have done so already. As long as they have their TV, frozen food and booze or whatever. I would love to be wrong though, let the whole rotten thing disintegrate.




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December 17, 2014, 03:27:14 AM
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Subject: ONLY SOLUTION is bifurcation frontier;  fractional reserves will always exist; masses are always wrong
From:    me
Date:    Tue, December 16, 2014 10:45 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics"
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Much easier to read this post online so you can see the intended layout:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg9862898#msg9862898


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Readers be reminded that I am the author of the essays linked in the OP.

Fractional reserve banking is not without its advantages. If high reserves on deposits were made mandatory, banks would need to charge a huge spread on their loans to ensure that the return on capital is acceptable.

Untrue nothing prevents banks from making a conservative living via time deposits.

That is false when you consider all the externalities. It is only true isolated in vitro (in theory), not in vivo (in reality).

Not only do you not consider the opportunity cost of being eaten by larger fish when not being the one who captures the power vacuum of the Realpolitik (by creating fractional reserves, etc.), but you also don't consider the fact that when all money is loaned, then the money supply must increase at the aggregate level of interest in the economy, else the debt can't be paid. So mathematically those are two reasons that fractional reserves must exist and will always exist.

This is not theory, the mega-banks have captured the Realpolitik.

Even crypto-currency can't change that. Banks will loan fractional reserve units of Bitcoin, once they get most users onto the off chain services such as Paypal and Coinbase, so that the fractional reserves can be traded off chain. Gresham's Law insures that fractional reserve debt money drives non-fractional reserve money out-of-circulation.

I had already explained my only hope on a solution to this dilemma, which is based on the concept that the masses will always be wrong and must be sacrificed by creating new frontiers for those who sit higher on the bell curve of evolutionary IQ. The banksters think they sit higher on the evolutionary IQ, but I think they would perish in a terminal spiral Dark Age without the knowledge creators who create the technological frontiers that renew humanity.
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December 17, 2014, 03:48:17 AM
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Cross-posting this from the Mad Max thread...

It is complete nonsense for Martin Armstrong to assert that the banksters do not have a long-range plan to take over the world. Armstrong's own models are based on the fact that coincidence becomes a statistically valid pattern given enough repetition. They sell these commodity derivatives in order to give them more political control. Just look how they timed the collapse in the oil price and lobbied right on time to repeal Dodd-Frank with the timing of the massive spending bill. They know what they are doing and Armstrong is confused because he thinks their losses are due to ineptness. No Martin! Their losses are planned out in order to maximize the failures that concentrate more power and control into their hands.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/16/russian-ruble-collapses-conspiracy-or-warning-of-things-to-come/

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...spinning the blogs claiming this is a “Zionist banker” conspiracy...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11283875/Bank-of-America-sees-50-oil-as-Opec-dies.html

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Bank of America said quantitative easing in Europe and Japan will cover just 35pc of the global stimulus lost as the Fed pulls back, creating a treacherous hiatus for markets. It warned that the full effect of Fed tapering had yet to be felt. From now on the markets cannot expect to be rescued every time there is a squall. “The threshold for the Fed to return to QE will be high. This is why we believe we are entering a phase in which bad news will be bad news and volatility will likely rise,” it said.

What is clear is that the world has become addicted to central bank stimulus. Bank of America said 56pc of global GDP is currently supported by zero interest rates, and so are 83pc of the free-floating equities on global bourses. Half of all government bonds in the world yield less that 1pc. Roughly 1.4bn people are experiencing negative rates in one form or another.

These are astonishing figures, evidence of a 1930s-style depression, albeit one that is still contained. Nobody knows what will happen as the Fed tries to break out of the stimulus trap, including Fed officials themselves.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/russia-ruble-collapse_n_6333546.html

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Russian GDP might shrink by a terrifying 4.5 percent next year, the central bank said Monday, especially if the price of crude oil hangs around $60 a barrel.

Russia's central bank jacked up interest rates in the middle of the night, desperately trying to stanch the bleeding by enticing investors to keep cash in the country. The bank raised its key rate to 17 percent from 10.5 percent, the biggest hike since Russia's ruble crisis in 1998. If that effort did any good, it was hard to tell.

So, mission accomplished, right? We've punished Putin. But beware of blowback.

The 1998 crisis brought down hedge fund Long Term Capital Management, which shook the entire financial system. The Federal Reserve had to ride to the rescue of LTCM, recruiting banks to bail it out. The current ruble collapse is starting to look worse than the 1998 debacle

So far we don't know that anybody has bet so big on the Russian ruble that it could bring down the whole system. Then again, it's early yet. In 1998, Russia's central bank raised its key rate to 150 percent, notes Joseph Cotterill of the Financial Times. The current situation has a way to go before it gets that desperate. And you never know if and where contagion will spread. In 1998 it was a big dumb hedge fund. In 2014-15 it could be a bunch of European banks, already in not-so-great shape after a succession of various crises.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/16/russian-ruble-collapses-conspiracy-or-warning-of-things-to-come/

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http://i1.wp.com/armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/1931-sovdebtdefault.jpg?resize=584%2C437There was nothing that survived during the Great Depression from stocks, bonds, commodities, tangible assets, to currencies. This is what we are facing. The complete meltdown of the world economy thanks to the convergence of many factors. Just about anything that can go wrong is going wrong and the end game is not looking pretty. As we can see from this chart of the bond market, while Andrew Mellon first bragged when the stock market crashed “gentlemen buy bonds”, those who ran into the bond markets either were left with nothing as sovereign debt defaulted, or their US bonds were suddenly devalued by FDR and the gold redemption closes were reneged upon.

The Middle East has become addicted to high energy prices and thus they have increased their budget taking into consideration expectations of perpetual high energy prices. [meaning OPEC can't cut production because they need the revenues]

During the Great Depression, stocks rallied into 1929 but commodities peaked in 1919. The tangible commodity sector declined into 1932 coinciding with the stock low. That 13 year decline was profound. It wiped out much of the commodity industry.

We are dealing with a very serious crisis within the global economy that is by no means limited to Russia or oil.

We are witnessing the unraveling of the world economy because we have pervasive corruption in government...

Crude oil has two numbers we must now pay close attention to for year-end $75 and $57. A closing BELOW $57 warns that we are in serious trouble with oil and we may not see the final low until 2016-2017. The real critical level of support lies at $32. We should see this type of decline send crude back to retest the 1980 high of about $40 similar top gold retesting the $875 high of 1980. Welcome to the land of DEFLATION as all the promises of socialism with government taking care of you from cradle to grave is over and done with.

Consequently, additional proof that this is not limited to Russia is just open your eyes. There is a crisis in ALL EMERGING markets. As the dollar rises and commodities decline, this is part of the cycle that sets in motion the Sovereign Debt defaults.

We are looking at a major decline within the world economy. This is part of Big Bang. We will produce a major and very serious report on this entire subject matter after the closing of 2014.


Just this past week the too-big-to-fail banks were able to get Dodd-Frank partially repealed so they can charge their coming derivative losses to the government! Read the following and weep...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-10/anyone-still-believes-collapsing-oil-prices-are-good-economy

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Are much lower oil prices good news for the U.S. economy?  Only if you like collapsing capital expenditures, rising unemployment and a potential financial implosion on Wall Street.  Yes, lower gasoline prices are good news for the middle class.  I certainly would rather pay two dollars for a gallon of gas than four dollars.  But in order to have money to fill up your vehicle you have got to have an income first.  And since the last recession, the energy sector has been the number one creator of good jobs in the U.S. economy by far.  Barack Obama loves to stand up and take credit for the fact that the employment picture in this country has been improving slightly, but without the energy industry boom, unemployment would be through the roof.  And now that the “energy boom” is rapidly becoming an “energy bust”, what will happen to the struggling U.S. economy as we head into 2015?

In recent years, energy companies have been pouring massive amounts of money into capital expenditures.  In fact, the energy sector currently accounts for about a third of all capital expenditures in the United States according to Deutsche Bank…

Unfortunately, when the price of oil crashes those investments become unprofitable and capital expenditures start getting slashed almost immediately.

For example, the budget for 2015 at ConocoPhillips has already been reduced by 20 percent…

And Reuters is reporting that the number of new well permits for the industry as a whole plunged by an astounding 40 percent during the month of November…

According to the Perryman Group, the energy sector currently supports 9.3 million permanent jobs in this country

And these are good paying jobs.  They aren’t eight dollar part-time jobs down at your local big box retailer.  These are jobs that comfortably support middle class families.  These are precisely the kinds of jobs that we cannot afford to lose.

In recent years, there has been a noticeable economic difference between areas of the country where energy is being produced and where energy is not being produced.

Since December 2007, a total of 1.36 million jobs have been gained in shale oil states.

Meanwhile, a total of 424,000 jobs have been lost in non-shale oil states.

Even more ominous is what an oil price collapse could mean for our financial system.

The last time the price of oil declined by more than 40 dollars in less than six months, there was a financial meltdown on Wall Street and we experienced the deepest recession that we have seen since the days of the Great Depression.

And now many fear that this collapse in the price of oil could trigger another financial panic.

According to Citigroup, the energy sector now accounts for 17 percent of the high yield bond market.

J.P. Morgan says that it is actually 18 percent.

In any event, the reality of the matter is that the health of these “junk bonds” is absolutely critical to our financial system.  And according to Deutsche Bank, if these bonds start defaulting it could “trigger a broader high-yield market default cycle”…

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Based on recent stress tests of subprime borrowers in the energy sector in the US produced by Deutsche Bank, should the price of US crude fall by a further 20pc to $60 per barrel, it could result in up to a 30pc default rate among B and CCC rated high-yield US borrowers in the industry. West Texas Intermediate crude is currently trading at multi-year lows of around $75 per barrel, down from $107 per barrel in June.
  
A shock of that magnitude could be sufficient to trigger a broader high-yield market default cycle, if materialized,” warn Deutsche strategists Oleg Melentyev and Daniel Sorid in their report.

In addition, plunging oil prices could end up absolutely destroying the banks that are holding enormous amounts of energy derivatives.  This is something that I recently covered in this article and this article.

As you read this, there are five “too big to fail” banks that each have more than 40 trillion dollars in exposure to derivatives.  Of course only a small fraction of that total exposure is made up of energy derivatives, but a small fraction of 40 trillion dollars is still a massive amount of money.

These derivatives trades are largely unregulated, and even Forbes admits that they are likely to be at the heart of the coming financial collapse…

Unfortunately, that does not seem likely any time soon.  Even though U.S. energy companies are cutting back on capital expenditures, most of them are still actually projecting an increase in production for 2015.  Here is one example from Bloomberg…

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Continental, the biggest holder of drilling rights in the Bakken, last month said 2015 output will grow between 23 percent and 29 percent even after shelving plans to allocate more money to exploration.

Higher levels of production will just drive the price of oil even lower.

At this point,
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Morgan Stanley is saying that the price of oil could plummet as low as $43 a barrel next year
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http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/plummeting-oil-prices-destroy-banks-holding-trillions-commodity-derivatives

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So the oil companies that have locked in high prices for their oil in 2015 and 2016 are feeling pretty good right about now.  But who is on the other end of those contracts?  In many cases, it is the big Wall Street banks, and if the price of oil does not rebound substantially they could be facing absolutely colossal losses.

It has been estimated that the six largest “too big to fail” banks control $3.9 trillion in commodity derivatives contracts.  And a very large chunk of that amount is made up of oil derivatives.

In fact, as I have written about previously, the “too big to fail” banks have collectively gotten 37 percent larger since the last recession. At this point, the five largest banks in the country account for 42 percent of all loans in the United States, and the six largest banks control 67 percent of all banking assets. If those banks were to disappear tomorrow, we would not have much of an economy left.


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/new-law-make-taxpayers-potentially-liable-trillions-derivatives-losses

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This provision would allows these big banks to trade derivatives through subsidiaries that are federally insured by the FDIC.  What this would means is that the big banks would be are able to continue their incredibly reckless derivatives trading without having to worry about the downside.


https://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/us-dollar-index-from-ino.png?w=640&h=411When the tide of inflation of commodities was rushing in over the past 13 years, debt was getting cheaper, but now as the tide rushes out debt will become much more huge burden than it already is given $200 trillion of global debt and 250% of global GDP.

http://ourfiniteworld.com/2014/12/07/ten-reasons-why-a-severe-drop-in-oil-prices-is-a-problem/

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Issue 9. A major drop in oil prices tends to lead to deflation, and because of this, difficulty in repaying debts.

If oil prices rise, so do food prices, and the price of making most goods. Thus rising oil prices contribute to inflation. The reverse of this is true as well. Falling oil prices tend to lead to a lower price for growing food and a lower price for making most goods. The net result can be deflation.

Here is that negative marginal utility of debt I was explaining upthread is the reason QE can't continue indefinitely.

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The obvious way around this problem is to lower interest rates to practically zero, through Quantitative Easing (QE) and other techniques.

(Increasing debt is a big part of pumps up “demand” for oil, and because of this, oil prices. If this is confusing, think of buying a car. It is much easier to buy a car with a loan than without one. So adding debt allows goods to be more affordable. Reducing debt levels has the opposite effect.)

QE doesn’t work as a long-term technique, because it tends to create bubbles in asset prices, such as stock market prices and prices of farmland. It also tends to encourage investment in enterprises that have questionable chance of success. Arguably, investment in shale oil and gas operations are in this category.

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2014/12/13/oil-prices-continued-their-collapse-on-friday/

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The new rout began Friday morning after the International Energy Agency, the organization based in Paris that advises industrial countries, cut its forecast for global demand for crude oil in 2015 by 230,000 barrels a day. The agency cited less oil consumption in countries that produce it like Russia and a weaker-than-expected global economy.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79298000/gif/_79298601_oil_breakeven_prices_v3a.gifhttp://www.bbc.com/news/business-30393690

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"Investment by the oil companies in the North Sea will likely be halted on the basis that it is not economical to either invest - let alone pump oil - below $60," said analyst Howard Wheeldon in a recent note.

Deloitte's Mr Sadler says the North Sea production costs have been rising because much of the easy-to-get oil has been extracted. Some fields will "start to struggle" if the price remains below $70 for a lengthy period, he says.

http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/136374/Norwegian_Oil_Firm_Noreco_to_Restructure

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Norwegian Oil Firm Noreco to Restructure
by  Reuters | Monday, December 15, 2014

OSLO, Dec 15 (Reuters) – Norwegian oil firm Noreco proposed a restructuring as low oil prices and persistent production problems at its key assets are threatening its ability to remain a going concern, it said on Monday. Noreco, which holds stakes in a handful of British, Norwegian and Danish fields, said it needs to fully convert its outstanding bond debt as it was burning through cash rapidly and cannot pay interest or service its debt.

http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/136404/Norways_Statoil_Approves_610M_North_Sea_Development

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OSLO, Dec 16 (Reuters) - Norwegian energy firm Statoil ... has delayed several new developments as low oil prices and high costs have reduced its profitability, eating into its cash.


The North Sea oil dependent countries have a huge problem with the ability to finance HUGE per-capita external debt levels as their export oil revenues wane.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/edmundconway/6505670/North-Sea-oil-is-dragging-us-into-the-red.html

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for the past quarter of a century, Britain has been a petro-economy. In 1999, we were producing more oil than Iraq, Kuwait or Nigeria. The following year, we pumped out almost twice as much natural gas as Iran – a country with reserves that are the envy of the world.

The result is that while we are apt to attribute the sudden spurt in Britain's prosperity in the mid- to late-1980s to a deregulated and reinvigorated City, it owed far more to the massive windfall from the North Sea. Take a look at the numbers. In 1979, when Margaret Thatcher came to power, the amount Britain owed, as a nation, was £88.6 billion. In the subsequent six years, taxes from the North Sea (which had been pretty much non-existent previously) generated an incredible £52.4 billion.

The benefits went far beyond the public finances. Were it not for the cushion provided by oil exports, the deficit in Britain's current account – its international ledger – would have been one of the worst in the Western world. Moreover, much of the massive rise in business investment in the years before the financial collapse was due entirely to spending in the North Sea.

There are two problems, however. The first is that the stuff is running out. Production of North Sea oil has halved in the past decade; Britain has gone from being comfortably self-sufficient in oil and gas to being a net importer.

The second issue is that since the oil arrived, we have treated it not as a luxury but as a staple of economic life. Unlike the Norwegians, who diverted a slice of their North Sea revenues into an investment fund designed to provide for them when the oil started to run dry, chancellors of every political hue treated North Sea taxes as current income.

So serious is this problem that some are inclined to see it in apocalyptic terms: Jim Rogers, a renowned investor, has predicted that the demise of the North Sea will send the pound crashing downwards, taking the UK into banana-republic territory. This year, the Government's revenues from oil will almost halve, partly due to lower oil prices, partly to the inexorable decline in activity as old fields become exhausted.


http://gcaptain.com/norway-reviews-gdp-growth-estimates-oil-plunge-continues/

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A 41 percent drop in oil prices from a June high is proving to be the worst since the financial crisis erupted in 2008. The slump has put pressure on a nation [Norway] that relies on energy resources for about 22 percent of its [GDP] output.

In the “short term, the disturbances in the Norwegian economy will not be as large,” Solberg said. Norway funnels its oil riches into an $870 billion sovereign wealth fund, the world’s largest. The government follows a self-imposed cap of 4 percent of the fund when it plans [deficit] budget spending.

‘Dark Clouds’

Over the past decade, Norway’s reliance on oil has been its main strength. Booming prices helped keep unemployment below 3 percent even as other parts of Europe suffered double-digit jobless rates.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt  (sorted by highest per-capita first)

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RankNationExternal DebtPer Capita
5.United Kingdom$9.6 trillion$160,158
7.Norway$737 billion$131,220


Note that 22% of GDP for oil quoted above doesn't include the Norwegian government which is 44% of the GDP and gets most of its revenues from taxing oil! Thus greater than 50% of Norwary's GDP is dependent on oil and it is claimed to be fiscally strongest country in Europe!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_budget_of_Norway

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Total costs: $160 billion
Tax Income: $124 billion


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

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In Norway, companies drilling for North Sea oil pay a 78% tax rate on income...


All commodities are affected. The total debt of the world has been pushed to 250% of GDP, which has created a huge false (misallocated, unsustainable, not really profitable without the debt bubble) demand for energy and commodities, while the bankers have provided ZIRP and derivative hedges to push over investment in supply. While simultaneously the nations have gorged on this oil and commodity boom and radically expanded their socialism budgets. OPEC can't reduce production, because they can't meet their obligations without pumping out every barrel they've invested in producing.

As the tide turns on the global debt bubble, this leads to massive deflation as all the forces that caused the ride up the inflation mountain reverse and debt become a HUGE burden that destroys all demand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/opinion/sunday/warning-signs-from-commodity-prices.html?_r=0

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Over all, commodity prices have fallen nearly 15 percent since late June, according to a Bloomberg index. Last week, the price of crude oil dropped to a four-year low, about $74 a barrel, down from about $107 a barrel in June. The prices of metals like copper, platinum and silver have also fallen sharply since the summer.

The big losers in all this are nations that depend on commodity exports, like Russia, Brazil and Iran. Some of these countries, particularly Russia and Iran, already have substantial economic problems because of Western sanctions and government mismanagement. Brazil’s economy was slowing before the decline in commodity prices, and it faces a difficult 2015.

But America’s economy could struggle in the coming year if Europe and Japan slip into another recession. About 25 percent of all American exports went to those two markets in the first nine months of the year.

The economic recovery from the financial crisis was uneven and disappointing. Now, in many countries, it is stalling.


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The current market based outlook for 2014 - 19 is characterized by a sharp decline in NCPI growth rates across LAC [Latin American Countries], with an annual growth rate (averaged over time and across economies) about 6½ percentage points lower than during the commodity boom — and actually negative for most countries.


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Regarding China’s growth rate and commodity prices, the report states, “Whereas from 2006 to 2011 the IMF primary commodity price index soared by an average annual rate of 9.8 percent and the Chinese economy grew at an average annual rate of 10.5 percent, in 2012 commodity prices fell by 3.2 percent and the Chinese economy slowed to 7.7 percent.”

The fall in commodity prices disproportionately affects LAC, as 86.4 percent of LAC exports to China are primary goods, while 63.4 percent of Chinese exports to LAC are manufactured.

“As prices rose, exports grew and growth improved significantly. Latin America can thank China and the commodity boom for not being so affected by the [global] financial crisis [of 2008-2009]. However, exchange rates appreciated, investment concentrated in commodities, manufacturers couldn’t compete with imports from China and beyond, and commodity-led growth led to numerous social and environmental conflicts,” said Gallagher.

According to the GEGI report, average annual export growth from LAC to China averaged 23 percent between 2006 and 2011, but dropped to 7.2 percent in 2012. These exports are mainly concentrated in copper, iron, and soy. The metals exports are densely concentrated in two countries: 86 percent of iron exports came from Brazil and 92 percent of copper comes from Chile.

China’s exports to LAC are significantly more diverse, coming mostly from manufactured goods like electronics and vehicles that are less sensitive to pricing variables than commodity goods. Effectively, commodity price declines have created a trade imbalance between LAC and China inChina’s favour.
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James G. Rickards the principal negotiator in the 1998 bailout of Long-Term Capital Management by the Federal Reserve is also predicting a major downturn in 2015 with QE 4 by the USA in the first quarter of 2016.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/fed-will-implement-qe4-in-early-2016-rickards-tvlUobS9Se~k2oS~o6nsEQ.html

As someone who sucessfully got the FED to cough up the first major corporate bailout his prediction about QE 4 carries some weight.

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Hi allegedly anonymint,

You write a lot of interesting things but I really have to ask for some sort of roadmap to your universe.  I’m not asking for a summary*1 but a sitemap, a directory where the main ideas and concepts*2 are mentioned. Catching up with a linear approach*3  isn’t really doable especially if one wants to reach actionable status before the projected*4  economic meltdown/madmax.

I know that spoon feeding doesn’t seem to be your style but every little bit off accessibility helps someone over the threshold.

Thanks for any reply

*1 because you said you can’t provide one, still want one
*2 and sources/entry points, btw please stop switching names
*3 not only to you but a lot of other smart persons like Martin Armstrong
*4 by martin Armstrongs model and other predictions
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December 17, 2014, 11:07:45 PM
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i highly recommend subscribing onto greg hunter youtube channel. he got really interesting guests on every now and again: paul craig roberts, peter schiff, james rickards, david morgan, john perkins etc..

https://www.youtube.com/user/usawatchdog/videos
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i highly recommend subscribing onto greg hunter youtube channel. he got really interesting guests on every now and again: paul craig roberts, peter schiff, james rickards, david morgan, john perkins etc..
https://www.youtube.com/user/usawatchdog/videos

Thanks, I checked it out. There is definitely a ton there to go through.
I watched the James Rickards interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwxGxmDOZk

The first 10 minutes was about ISIS and not all that interesting. However, towards the end Rickards  made several very interesting arguments

Rickards argued that China is acquiring gold not in an attempt to eventually back the yuan with gold but as a simple hedge against their multi trillion dollar US debt holdings. With this hedge if the US ever goes crazy with the printing presses then gold would do very well. If US is more conservative gold will do less well but the Chinese dollar reserves will maintain their value.
Rickards also argues that the next major crisis will involve the IMF bailing out the various world central banks via the issuance of SDR (Special Drawing Rights) a type of IMF fiat currency. The IMF have the right to issue these in their charter.
http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/sdr.htm   (Facts about SDR)
http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/data/rms_sdrv.aspx  (SDR's value calculation)

It was a very interesting point. There is a real potential in a financial crisis for the IMF to use SDR's as a worldwide bailout. Will SDR's be the fiat world reserve currency of the future? It is certainly seems possible making it happen would require a Bretton Woods type agreement between the major world powers. It would also be the equivalent of simply kicking the can down the road one more time without solving any of the structural problems in the world economy. As that has been the approach used to date a future IMF SDR bailout seems quite possible.
I was impressed enough by the video that I have decided to buy Mr. Rickards book. Hopefully it is equally interesting.

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James G. Rickards the principal negotiator in the 1998 bailout of Long-Term Capital Management by the Federal Reserve is also predicting a major downturn in 2015 with QE 4 by the USA in the first quarter of 2016.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/fed-will-implement-qe4-in-early-2016-rickards-tvlUobS9Se~k2oS~o6nsEQ.html

As someone who sucessfully got the FED to cough up the first major corporate bailout his prediction about QE 4 carries some weight.

I posted in October about that in detail with his slideshow charts.

I've studied him in detail in interviews (such as with James Turk, etc) so I caution you that he doesn't even understand gold and doesn't appear to have the level of understanding Armstrong has. The Fed doesn't even apparently have the understanding Armstrong has (at least not publicly and central bankers do attend his seminars and concur with him in private).

i highly recommend subscribing onto greg hunter youtube channel. he got really interesting guests on every now and again: paul craig roberts, peter schiff, james rickards, david morgan, john perkins etc..
https://www.youtube.com/user/usawatchdog/videos

Thanks, I checked it out. There is definitely a ton there to go through.
I watched the James Rickards interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwxGxmDOZk

Listen to the Hunter interviews with Armstrong and you can readily see Hunter is rather clueless compared to Armstrong.

I caution you that you will waste an enormous amount of time and make many HUGE mistakes (you already made one) by dwelving into this "gold-bug" world of ANALysts. They blow of a lot of nonsense out their arses. Do you know how many gold-bugs and Bitcoiners have lost their life savings on the pernicious declines from recent nose bleed peaks?

I been there, done that. I have a much deeper understanding that you are just starting to dig into, and Armstrong understands all the economic concepts correctly (although his exposition is often lacking and not sufficiently comprehensible to most readers).

There is a reason that institutional managers and their ilk pay $1000s to attend Armstrong's seminars. It is not for the booze and women.


Hi allegedly anonymint,

You write a lot of interesting things but I really have to ask for some sort of roadmap to your universe.

Unfortunately I don't have enough free time. I need to be focused on more important priorities. Wish I could, but don't think it would make as big of an impact as other things I can do. So I have to prioritize because after all I am just one man with only 24 hours in each day. Thank you. And good luck in your journey.
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Hi allegedly anonymint,

You write a lot of interesting things but I really have to ask for some sort of roadmap to your universe.  I’m not asking for a summary*1 but a sitemap, a directory where the main ideas and concepts*2 are mentioned. Catching up with a linear approach*3  isn’t really doable especially if one wants to reach actionable status before the projected*4  economic meltdown/madmax.

I know that spoon feeding doesn’t seem to be your style but every little bit off accessibility helps someone over the threshold.

Thanks for any reply

Having walked this road myself I may be able to help. Anonymint's overall thesis is not something that is easy to instantly grasp and it is scattered in various places making it difficult to approach in a piecemeal fashion.

It is best to start with a secure understanding of our financial system as it truly is. The three links on finance below were inspired by Anonymint's overall insight and are less deep than Anonymint's writing making them a good starting point. Part I covers fractional reserve banking what it is and how it works in a modern economy, Part II covers the business cycle how fractional reserve leads to recurrent and cyclical booms and busts impoverishing the masses. Part III covers how fractional reserve banking leads to government capture and the eventual economic strangulation of the economy.  

Finance Part I: Understanding the Parasite
Finance Part II: The Parasitic Cycle
Finance Part III: Divide, Conquer, Enslave

Once you understand the basics of the modern financial system you are ready to move on to Anonymint's more complex writings and ideas. I would start with

Understand Everything Fundamentally

Understand everything fundamentally covers the broader principle of collectivism and its dangers including the tragic consequences of our current economic trajectory. It also covers the principles of centralization and degrees-of-freedom in the economy. Next up is

The Rise of Knowledge

The rise of knowledge is in my opinion the very best of Anonymint's writing. In it he covers finance and why the role of finance and debt will progressively decline in the future. It is a compelling argument that describes how and why humanity will eventually and inevitability break free of the chains of finance and unrestrained collectivism and enter an age of knowledge.  
    
Anonymint's writings above are missing a discussion of the proper role of socialism in society. For this I would refer you to the Mad Max thread specifically posts 125-128 where we discussed the proper and gradually declining role of socialism in a future knowledge age.
 
Finally for extra credit you can read Information is Alive Here Anonymint defines knowledge and explains why knowledge and thought are not fungible.

Any body of knowledge needs a name if it is sufficiently complex and different from existing schools of thought. In this case that name is Contentionism


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I hope Jim Rickards fares better (with his understanding of gold) versus Armstrong than formerly highly respected gold-bug Jim Sinclair.

CoinCube, your summary makes me blush, thanks also for your essays, and I don't think I can know if I am worthy or not of that recognition until we see how the future plays out. I am enamoured when readers understand and spread the concepts, yet the contention is I prefer to remain in obscurity.  I suggest in future consider incorporating the following explanation of why collectivization doesn't optimize, to your summary. I will go add a link to your summary and mention Contentionism with the caveat that all decentralized systems are composed of actors which are doing top-down management of the aspects they control, top-down is more expedient which a form of optimization, and bottom up systems don't necessarily converge without some top-down incentives. The implication is there is an ongoing contention between the two forms (top-down and bottom-up) of systemic structure.

P.S. readers 'bottom-up' is synonymous with 'decentralized'.
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contagion i agree with you on the fact that we shouldnt go trigger-happy on gold. top players will never let goldbugs get too much wealth. even if gold becomes hugely expensive the msm can scare public off it and then governments can push for gold posession reforms easier. selling prescious metals can become illegal too. same applies to btc i assume.
though most of us here, the little people, cant possibly be made to understand the economical system which is now totally disfunctional and impossible to predict. as paul craig roberts said yesterday that there is no 'economy' any longer as it dont follow any logic - rigged. so we are being subjected to something that is under total control of the very few - trying to understand their con game is nearly impossible at the moment. the spent time can be allocated on making some effort for preparation for the upcoming impact. i believe that best chance of getting by is for likeminded people to create communities and try to live off the land as far as possible from large cities. i still believe these metal or crypto possesions need to be held, not as speculative vehicle but only as store of wealth. it can be used as a head start once situation normalises. during the slaughter time its better to just be prepared and defend your family or sovereighnty of your and your ancestor's land.
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Thank you CoinCube and anonymint for your answers.

@anonymint, I don't know what your future endeavors are but I assure you accessibility makes a significant impact. I repeat this because imo technically minded people do seem to underestimate this rather often.

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Gold-bugs I am sorry (I used to be one), you will need to learn that tangible assets are archaic.

Here are two links to bring yourself up to speed:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9883335#msg9883335

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896399.msg9883761#msg9883761
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Gold-bugs I am sorry (I used to be one), you will need to learn that tangible assets are archaic.

Here are two links to bring yourself up to speed:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9883335#msg9883335

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896399.msg9883761#msg9883761

so what fundamental principles do you find in crypto?
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" China is acquiring gold not in an attempt to eventually back the yuan with gold but as a simple hedge against their multi trillion dollar US debt holdings"

Doing so would enable real capitalism in the middle of communist china.  It does seem unlikely without a revolution in china for that to happen.   The big thing now is how closely China and Washington agree on centralising power and choosing favourites for distribution of control they wield over their subjects.  It doesnt work in either case, there are some big bears on Chinas debt also

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