8th Alt coin thread. Or what to do now that asics are all over the place.

[Metroid]

And I believe that in the coming years Bitcoin will cost $ 50,000 and Ethereum at $ 6,000 to 10,000 dollars. And those who do not buy or will mine today will regret it tomorrow.

All dumps are failing, that tell us something very important. We are having higher lows every passing day.

[soothaa]

Speaking of a future bull run.. I wonder if it will be like the last one, where "legacy" coins (projects that were out 1+ years before the run) were largely left behind and only "new" projects (<12 months old) will receive a lot of attention.

[joseph32]

New run will come for sure, but more slowly than the last one. Too many panic sellers in the market.

[molivil]

Since we've had a couple of new graphics cards enter the market, I thought it would be nice to see how they compare with current household names.
I went ahead and updated my short list of GPUs efficient at mining Ethereum. If you notice any errors, please let me know so I can correct them.

Partial list arranged by power efficiency (updated as of 5/1/2019):

                               Newegg $   Power     Mh/s         W/Mh/s    Revenue/day
Radeon VII (Power Efficiency)  $679       245 W     89.0 MH/s    2.75      $1.20
GTX 1660                       $220       78 W      26.7 Mh/s    2.92      $0.36
GTX 1660 Ti                    $280       90 W      29.5 Mh/s    3.05      $0.40
Vega 64 (Power Efficiency)     $419       160 W     50.0 Mh/s    3.20      $0.68
GTX 1070                       $300       105 W     31.0 Mh/s    3.39      $0.42
RX 570 8 GB (Power Efficiency) $139       100 W     30.3 MH/s    3.47      $0.41
GTX 1060 6 GB                  $200       90 W      22.5 MH/s    4.00      $0.30
RX 580 8 GB                    $184       135 W     30.2 MH/s    4.47      $0.41

The full comparison is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w6qQtpwzlKRPSx3hYIpTrO1d29SwAIhOV4CNGi3Jk6Y/edit?usp=sharing

You should be able to copy the spreadsheet to your google drive and then arrange it any way you like.

Based on the figures, I decided to take a deep dive and buy and test the new GTX 1660 Ti as well as the Radeon VII for Ethereum mining performance. I've been very satisfied, but I'm especially thrilled to see the figures Radeon VII makes. At 245W it does a very impressive 89.2 MH/s, and singlehandedly replaced four of my 1060 6GB cards at 22.5MH/s each. After doing some further calculations on power efficiency it looks like it is currently the title holder of the world's most efficient consumer graphics card at mining Ethereum consuming only 2.75W for one MH.

ROI estimations are still not very good for any card, but energy conscious Ethereum miners may be interested in looking at these new graphics cards.

[philipma1957]

Since we've had a couple of new graphics cards enter the market, I thought it would be nice to see how they compare with current household names.
I went ahead and updated my short list of GPUs efficient at mining Ethereum. If you notice any errors, please let me know so I can correct them.

Some entries (copied from the list) arranged by power efficiency:

                               Newegg $   Power     Mh/s         W/Mh/s    Revenue/day
Radeon VII (Power Efficiency)  $679       245 W     89.0 MH/s    2.75      $1.49
GTX 1660                       $220       78 W      26.7 Mh/s    2.92      $0.45
GTX 1660 Ti                    $280       90 W      29.5 Mh/s    3.05      $0.49
Vega 64 (Power Efficiency)     $419       160 W     45.0 Mh/s    3.56      $0.75
GTX 1060 6GB                   $200       90 W      22.5 MH/s    4.00      $0.38
RX 570 8GB                     $139       120 W     27.9 MH/s    4.30      $0.47
RX 580 8GB                     $184       135 W     30.2 MH/s    4.47      $0.50

The full list is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w6qQtpwzlKRPSx3hYIpTrO1d29SwAIhOV4CNGi3Jk6Y/edit?usp=sharing

Based on the figures, I decided to take a deep dive and buy and test the new GTX 1660 Ti as well as the Radeon VII for Ethereum mining performance. I've been very satisfied, but I'm especially thrilled to see the figures Radeon VII makes. At 245W it does a very impressive 89.2 MH/s, and singlehandedly replaced four of my 1060 6GB cards at 22.5MH/s each. After doing some further calculations on power efficiency it looks like it is currently the title holder of the world's most efficient consumer graphics card at mining Ethereum consuming only 2.75W for one MH.

ROI estimations are still not very good for any card, but energy conscious Ethereum miners may be interested in looking at these new graphics cards.

could you alter the price on the 1080ti
here it is direct from Evga for 629 not 1250

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-5390-RX

[molivil]

could you alter the price on the 1080ti
here it is direct from Evga for 629 not 1250

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-5390-RX

Wow, that is a good price. Corrected.

Newegg is asking some really exorbitant prices on the 1080 Ti

[@edisonoregon2]

Link to thread 7

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2674194.0


I self modded the thread. I will simply delete nasty attacks on each other about the good or bad of asics vs gpus vs fpgas.

I want focus to be on how to survive the shift.

Do I go all asics?

Do I sell all gpus?

Do I go diverse?

My position is the industry needs to be widespread as possible to create demand for coins.

This year I am no longer focusing on what gear to use.

But how to expand my cheap reliable power.

We know some people can not do this and some can.

My gear today is

16x 1080tis
1rx 560
1rx 460
1 1050ti
13 moonlander usb ltc sticks
12 Antminer L3+ with jstenop low watt software.
5 Hanlong T1
3 Avalon 841
2 ⅔ S-9


https://eggpool.net/index.php?action=miner&miner=b70ba25f241b6e4a888710fa06f1fae1f6fb309954da8a5e424a1b22

[KaydenC]

Nvidia priced the cards this gen way too high. I'm waiting for hopefully more sane pricing next gen, and will sell off my 1080tis (which are most my cards) 3-4 months before next gen launches hopefully for $400.

Recently bought some Z11 miners.

AMD might be best price perf, but not worth it due to insane depreciation and lack of flexibility for things like vasi.ai

[fr4nkthetank]

470 you can run for 55-60w (gpuz core so 85-90w i guess) for 30mhs I still think thats very good.  I did the 1+8 bios reset trick yesterday and resurrected a bad flash on an armor 470.  was fun and works well,although be careful most pics on the internet show pins 1 and 5, not 1 and 8 for some reason

[arielbit]

you are poor and then you are rich and then you are poor again and then you are rich again 

it is pretty enlightening isn't it?

you must figure something out...always have a plan 

meanwhile zotac 1080ti extreme fans can be pulled off, it was some very fine dust that can make the fans get a hard time spinning, just clean with alcohol and then apply some oil (a drop or two) will get it going.

[dragonmike]

Using ETHash as reference for mining cards comparison is sooo 2017...

Nowadays you can't throw all cards of all brands into the same bucket and say "this one's the winner!". Especially ETHash that's now basically an ASIC-plagued algo.

[adaseb]

470 you can run for 55-60w (gpuz core so 85-90w i guess) for 30mhs I still think thats very good.  I did the 1+8 bios reset trick yesterday and resurrected a bad flash on an armor 470.  was fun and works well,although be careful most pics on the internet show pins 1 and 5, not 1 and 8 for some reason

Don't know which GPU you are talking about but you can't run an RX 470 4GB at 30MH/s (Max is maybe 29) and it will not use only 90Watts from the wall, the lowest I've been able to achieve from the wall subtracting CPU+MOBO power usage is 120 Watts or so.

Going any lower on the voltage resulted in crashes and going any higher on the memory clock resulted in hardware errors. So the typical RX 470 gets like 28.5 MH/s and uses 120 Watts or so. With XMR you can use like 110 Watts and it hashes at 1000 H/s so depending on the day, it might be more profitable than ETH.

[fr4nkthetank]

these do pull higher watts but are hashing at 30.25 avg.  They dont really have any HW errors in hwinfo.  I kinda misspoke you are right, the ultra low watt 470s hash lower at 26.5-27.5 with reduced clock but are under 100w, with something like 0.825v core.  I remember wolf going 0.75v or something on this forum and achieving really low power usage but I cant come close to it.  Of course some cards are shit and dont cooperate.  These are either MSI armor/gaming x 470 or mining edition nitro 470.  Im curious to real actual power usage but yeah thats pretty much it, they are my favorite gpus. 

[BogdanCo]

these do pull higher watts but are hashing at 30.25 avg.  They dont really have any HW errors in hwinfo.  I kinda misspoke you are right, the ultra low watt 470s hash lower at 26.5-27.5 with reduced clock but are under 100w, with something like 0.825v core.  I remember wolf going 0.75v or something on this forum and achieving really low power usage but I cant come close to it.  Of course some cards are shit and dont cooperate.  These are either MSI armor/gaming x 470 or mining edition nitro 470.  Im curious to real actual power usage but yeah thats pretty much it, they are my favorite gpus. 

For the real power or at the wall you have to add ~30 W. So in your case I would say it's nearly 100 W for a 470. But it's quite nice 

[Mashy81]

Since we've had a couple of new graphics cards enter the market, I thought it would be nice to see how they compare with current household names.
I went ahead and updated my short list of GPUs efficient at mining Ethereum. If you notice any errors, please let me know so I can correct them.

Partial list arranged by power efficiency:

                               Newegg $   Power     Mh/s         W/Mh/s    Revenue/day
Radeon VII (Power Efficiency)  $679       245 W     89.0 MH/s    2.75      $1.49
GTX 1660                       $220       78 W      26.7 Mh/s    2.92      $0.45
RX 570 8GB (Power Efficiency)  $139       90 W      30.0 MH/s    3.00      $0.50
GTX 1660 Ti                    $280       90 W      29.5 Mh/s    3.05      $0.49
Vega 64 (Power Efficiency)     $419       160 W     45.0 Mh/s    3.56      $0.75
GTX 1060 6GB                   $200       90 W      22.5 MH/s    4.00      $0.38
RX 580 8GB                     $184       135 W     30.2 MH/s    4.47      $0.50

The full list is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w6qQtpwzlKRPSx3hYIpTrO1d29SwAIhOV4CNGi3Jk6Y/edit?usp=sharing

Based on the figures, I decided to take a deep dive and buy and test the new GTX 1660 Ti as well as the Radeon VII for Ethereum mining performance. I've been very satisfied, but I'm especially thrilled to see the figures Radeon VII makes. At 245W it does a very impressive 89.2 MH/s, and singlehandedly replaced four of my 1060 6GB cards at 22.5MH/s each. After doing some further calculations on power efficiency it looks like it is currently the title holder of the world's most efficient consumer graphics card at mining Ethereum consuming only 2.75W for one MH.

ROI estimations are still not very good for any card, but energy conscious Ethereum miners may be interested in looking at these new graphics cards.

Vegas can now do over 50mhs on eth. With memory tweak. Not sure what is the best though.

[Mashy81]

Since we are talking Eth. Will they ever implement progpow

[Elder III]

The Eth devs seem to be totally paralyzed by fear of doing anything.

[Mashy81]

They struggle to make any decision which I think will ultimately be there demise

[adaseb]

Last I heard regarding ProgPOW was that it was it going to be included in the next fork as long as it passed some 3rd party audit.

The audit was suppose to investigate if it would be benefical in the first place to implement and whether or not the ETH DAG also has an ASIC thread which can lead to 51% attacks.

And haven't heard anyting since then. They really take their time when it comes to these things. Been this way since 2016 pretty much. You guys might not remember but POS was suppose to be live on ETH in Summer of 2016.

[soothaa]

And haven't heard anyting since then. They really take their time when it comes to these things. Been this way since 2016 pretty much. You guys might not remember but POS was suppose to be live on ETH in Summer of 2016.

All I ever heard.. "don't buy any more hardware, ETH is going PoS soon!" Soo glad I ignored them.