8th Alt coin thread. Or what to do now that asics are all over the place.

[QuintLeo]

PSU-wise, I've had only one constant: the EVGA 850GQ are crap. I've had three fail on me. Well technically the third one is still working despite one of the socket being burnt. The G2's are supposedly a totally different ballgame when it comes to reliability apparently. I've only got one and it's been fine for the past year.

I've got an XFX and a Silverstone still chugging from the 2014 days.

The EVGA G2 line (and the G2L line) are good reliable units. I've got a few of them, they're not my #1 preference (the 850 in specific has fewer connections that are usable than the Seasonic X850 or SS860 do) but the reliability has been 100% for the ones I do own (I've had ONE X-series Seasonic die, but that's out of quite a few MORE of them and it was replaced promptly by Newegg under warrenttee).

I don't have a lot of Silverstone power supplies, but never had any of those die either - the ones I do have are all "specialty" small level stuff for small-form-factor cases (one SFX and a few TFX).

[64dimensions]

Power supply reliability:

1) Antec - 3ea 1300W platinum P/S - All have failed. Maybe lasted 1 - 3 years. Unable to contact customer service for a return. One dead, two lost a SATA connection.

2) EVGA - no problems

3) Rosewell -2ea  1500W - Based on Phil's purchase awhile back. No problems.

[philipma1957]

As for 1000 watt atx  psus they all die in under 5 years  unless  you do 40-60%  of rated load.

The corsair 1500i  works  great at 850 watts  and all cards set to 180 watts  2 cables for each gpu.

at 1200 plus it dies

[arielbit]

Next BTC halving should either show some bullish signs or have some bull run 3-6 months after like the last halving. ETH was supposed to dethrone BTC and with all the poop BTC has gone through it remains king (from market cap side, maybe not development side).

This is the first time since 2011 I have nothing mining. No GPUs, no ASIC, not even my gaming laptop (which mined enough Monero to pay itself off back in the day). The RTX cards are trash from compute standpoint so I'm hoping AMD actually goes somewhere with 7nm.

Too bad real estate will probably crash same time as the next crypto run - I'll be spread too thin.

real estate got some shitcoins too LOL

only buy the ones who is capable of passive income, either you are building something there or not...

lease or rent -->POS

working the land (like agricultural lands) -->POW


not an expert in real estate but analyzing is fun...

[arielbit]

As for 1000 watt atx  psus they all die in under 5 years  unless  you do 40-60%  of rated load.

The corsair 1500i  works  great at 850 watts  and all cards set to 180 watts  2 cables for each gpu.

at 1200 plus it dies

hmmm...i don't know but i have a 3x 1080ti rig, i think that is already below 1000w....that's why i said up thread that i'm trying ~ 500w setup

there are probably versions of ax1500i since that model is out in the market for quite a while...what you have is probably better.

[adaseb]

..corsair AX1500i is a piece of shit...it will not function as a single rail even if the software says so, the engineers even designed a sensitivity crap that if my internet connection had a hiccup, it triggers the protection even it is pulling just around 1000w....hx1200 is better-no issues, AX1500i might work with a server that is just pulling ~500w or less as a masternode (might be good, PSU fan not spinning due to low temp/power).

I've had to replace almost all of my Gigabyte board fans - most of them have NMB 92mm case fans, just wired to 12VDC since the power consumption is low enough to not bother with PWM - those cards commonly run 50C or less even in a room in the low 80s F ambient temp.
A few have left over Delta 80mm fans from various retired CPU cooling setups, though I'm not going to waste the pair of 68CFM screamers on that duty.

Corsair AX (i) series is junk - the AX series WITHOUT the (i) are good units, Seasonic SnowSilent (which is the Platinum version of the Seasonic X series) clones except they use a Corsair-specific pinout on the PS side of the cables and a Corsair-specific ball-bearing fan.
I have no clue why they use the AX name on 2 such totally different power supply designs - it's misleading and VERY confusing.

Are you referring to the Windforce Gigabyte fans? Especially the 3 fans?

I think I've had all of them fail.  Every single one.

I had some on warranty and basically it wasn't even worth shipping them to the manufacture because the replacement fans also failed shortly after.

Tried Aliexpress and they were either remanufacteured and failed or new but failed also.

What I did was basically use floss, yank out the fan blade and add a drop of mineral oil to the bearing and snap the blade back in. I got so good at doing this I could do it while it was in the rig even.

It usually lasted either 30 days or 6 months. But during the $5/day/ZEC profit, it was worth the hassle.

I didn't like attaching case fans to the GPUs because they make the rig extra bulky and I run out of room. But that usually always kept the GPUs running extra cold.

[soothaa]

Next BTC halving should either show some bullish signs or have some bull run 3-6 months after like the last halving. ETH was supposed to dethrone BTC and with all the poop BTC has gone through it remains king (from market cap side, maybe not development side).

This is the first time since 2011 I have nothing mining. No GPUs, no ASIC, not even my gaming laptop (which mined enough Monero to pay itself off back in the day). The RTX cards are trash from compute standpoint so I'm hoping AMD actually goes somewhere with 7nm.

Too bad real estate will probably crash same time as the next crypto run - I'll be spread too thin.

real estate got some shitcoins too LOL

only buy the ones who is capable of passive income, either you are building something there or not...

lease or rent -->POS

working the land (like agricultural lands) -->POW


not an expert in real estate but analyzing is fun...

I love this analogy... and it's the same line of thought for myself. Want some of that sweet PoS rental units

Startup capital is just so much higher..

[dragonmike]

I love this analogy... and it's the same line of thought for myself. Want some of that sweet PoS rental units

Startup capital is just so much higher..

...and it looks like we just had a crypto credit crunch, and that brought us a massive crypto real-estate crisis with a lot of crypto-foreclosures...

The shitcoin bags have shrunk in size just like the property bags in the financial crisis. But hey, hope they'll ultimately come back and the nice "rental" income will grow together with the underlying value!

[QuintLeo]

I've had to replace almost all of my Gigabyte board fans - most of them have NMB 92mm case fans, just wired to 12VDC since the power consumption is low enough to not bother with PWM - those cards commonly run 50C or less even in a room in the low 80s F ambient temp.
A few have left over Delta 80mm fans from various retired CPU cooling setups, though I'm not going to waste the pair of 68CFM screamers on that duty.

Are you referring to the Windforce Gigabyte fans? Especially the 3 fans?

Yes, and both the 3-fan AND 2-fan versions - though the 3-fan ones seem to die faster.
I haven't had ALL of them die yet - but it's mighty close, think the only one I still have running is the 1080ti (which was the last or one of the last Gigabyte cards I ever bought).

Better than the ITX 1070 cards have turned out to be though - I've had 4 out of 5 of those COMPLETELY die at this point, even though the fan was still working.

The Aorus cards are still working fine, but those are ball-bearing and SHOULD last a long time.

[citronick]

I've had to replace almost all of my Gigabyte board fans - most of them have NMB 92mm case fans, just wired to 12VDC since the power consumption is low enough to not bother with PWM - those cards commonly run 50C or less even in a room in the low 80s F ambient temp.
A few have left over Delta 80mm fans from various retired CPU cooling setups, though I'm not going to waste the pair of 68CFM screamers on that duty.

Are you referring to the Windforce Gigabyte fans? Especially the 3 fans?

Yes, and both the 3-fan AND 2-fan versions - though the 3-fan ones seem to die faster.
I haven't had ALL of them die yet - but it's mighty close, think the only one I still have running is the 1080ti (which was the last or one of the last Gigabyte cards I ever bought).

Better than the ITX 1070 cards have turned out to be though - I've had 4 out of 5 of those COMPLETELY die at this point, even though the fan was still working.

The Aorus cards are still working fine, but those are ball-bearing and SHOULD last a long time.

Gigabyte RX470s (yes, the Auros are OK) - the worse of the lot - almost 40 pieces and counting with fans dead after a few months. I had to replace the fans with compatible OEM fans and gave up after while. Meanwhile the majority of the 470s in my AMD farm are the Sapphires - best fans so far and overall highly durable in tough mining conditions and also easy to mod - that Sapphire RX470 truly was the winner - cheap and good.

[arielbit]

Next BTC halving should either show some bullish signs or have some bull run 3-6 months after like the last halving. ETH was supposed to dethrone BTC and with all the poop BTC has gone through it remains king (from market cap side, maybe not development side).

This is the first time since 2011 I have nothing mining. No GPUs, no ASIC, not even my gaming laptop (which mined enough Monero to pay itself off back in the day). The RTX cards are trash from compute standpoint so I'm hoping AMD actually goes somewhere with 7nm.

Too bad real estate will probably crash same time as the next crypto run - I'll be spread too thin.

real estate got some shitcoins too LOL

only buy the ones who is capable of passive income, either you are building something there or not...

lease or rent -->POS

working the land (like agricultural lands) -->POW


not an expert in real estate but analyzing is fun...

I love this analogy... and it's the same line of thought for myself. Want some of that sweet PoS rental units

Startup capital is just so much higher..

you can also mine with them...solar, wind and hydro    

[Last of the V8s]

https://coinshares.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Mining-Whitepaper-Final.pdf
Trends, Marginal Creation Cost, Electricity Consumption & Sources

[DrG]

Well if you bought some property to house miners back in 2016 then you should have seen a nice 20-100% gain in value in most parts of the US. 20% barely covers broker fees and property taxes but areas like Seattle are easily double from 4 years ago. That bubble is going to pop.

The thing I don't know is how crypto will fare when the US econ tanks. 1st Satoshi being minted in 2009 when the markets tanked but BTC didn't have the GPU bull run until 2011 (2013 if you discount the 2011 run).

It could get really ugly if people liquidate coin holdings to pay real world bills. What, Chase doesn't take Litecoin for mortgage payments?

On the last BTC run in 2013 the alts ate it for 3 years. There's no guarantee history will repeat itself, and obviously we have different circumstances now but the graphs look mighty similar.

[soothaa]

Well if you bought some property to house miners back in 2016 then you should have seen a nice 20-100% gain in value in most parts of the US. 20% barely covers broker fees and property taxes but areas like Seattle are easily double from 4 years ago. That bubble is going to pop.

It's popping. Been popping for a few months.. I'm hoping it's as bad as 2008 personally.

[citronick]

saw this in my inbox...

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For a limited time we will be running a Flash Sale  at Canaan.io.  To keep things simple  EVERY miner will be offered at the same price, from the Avalon 921  @ 20 terahash  to the Avalon 851 @ 14.5 Terahash.  Every Miner is $200  USD until the end of the Flash sale.

In addition, you all should check out our new firmware that reduces power consumption to  .085 J/GH.


Here is the download link: https://build.canaan-creative.com/~wangxiaochuan/A841/openwrt/20181123/rpi3-modelb/openwrt-brcm2708-bcm2710-rpi-3-ext4-sdcard.img

If you are interested in the Flash sale  please write to
steve@canaan.io and copy lily@canaan.io as well

Thanks

Steve
=====

[arielbit]

saw this in my inbox...

====
For a limited time we will be running a Flash Sale  at Canaan.io.  To keep things simple  EVERY miner will be offered at the same price, from the Avalon 921  @ 20 terahash  to the Avalon 851 @ 14.5 Terahash.  Every Miner is $200  USD until the end of the Flash sale.

In addition, you all should check out our new firmware that reduces power consumption to  .085 J/GH.


Here is the download link: https://build.canaan-creative.com/~wangxiaochuan/A841/openwrt/20181123/rpi3-modelb/openwrt-brcm2708-bcm2710-rpi-3-ext4-sdcard.img

If you are interested in the Flash sale  please write to
steve@canaan.io and copy lily@canaan.io as well

Thanks

Steve
=====

makes me think...where is the ASIC trolls/shills around here? ... when they are just as burned as GPU miners now hehe

[citronick]

saw this in my inbox...

====
For a limited time we will be running a Flash Sale  at Canaan.io.  To keep things simple  EVERY miner will be offered at the same price, from the Avalon 921  @ 20 terahash  to the Avalon 851 @ 14.5 Terahash.  Every Miner is $200  USD until the end of the Flash sale.

In addition, you all should check out our new firmware that reduces power consumption to  .085 J/GH.


Here is the download link: https://build.canaan-creative.com/~wangxiaochuan/A841/openwrt/20181123/rpi3-modelb/openwrt-brcm2708-bcm2710-rpi-3-ext4-sdcard.img

If you are interested in the Flash sale  please write to
steve@canaan.io and copy lily@canaan.io as well

Thanks

Steve
=====

makes me think...where is the ASIC trolls/shills around here? ... when they are just as burned as GPU miners now hehe

The shills are around but all hiding in their rat holes, licking their wounds at the moment  .....  patience guys, this aint our first cold bear winter

My group just "decommissioned" our last Avalon farms and made a deal with the ISP in Canada to use our gear and they mine it themselves, and in return reserve the real estate for us till mid 2019. The A721s, A741s are bleeding red already and I am sure the deal was in GND's favor because they have surplus power already committed with bulk rates from the hydro-power operator.

On the brighter side of life.... we have a few new toys in the lab now for one of my group members - quite slick these Baikal G28s - and the profit switching is flawless under Awesome Miner control. We are testing the AM scripts to set additional rules for it. Also..... a Z1+ lyra2v2 miner..... 7.25GB/s.... but cant say good things about it because the firmware is buggy and still unstable.
 
There is also new FPGAs that I hoping I get my hands on ...... I may post them here later if I decide to a "few units" for testing... I am also working on a Project Codename BRUTUS II rig ... an full size rig "12 x FPGA with liquid cooling" --- maybe all we need is one single super rig... the mobo used is a new B250-M12P (12 slots B250 mobo)

Talking about new coins, check out Callisto Networks and Zen Protocol - IMHO this good bet because of the use cases in the blockchain world -- same like Haven. I have enough XVG XHV in the vault, and I have put the 22 x 1080tis to work on Callisto Network / CLO next.

Disclaimer: no shills or trolls please.... I think we are all here because of our passion to discuss about great ideas and cool technologies - there is no good and bad technology - just greedy individuals & evil companies. When I got my first S5+ in 2015, I thought Bitmain was the greatest company on earth for taking a leap for mining community where other companies failed and pulled out from the mining scene. Now, I cant say the same for Bitmain without uttering profanities. But thanks to them, dozens of GPU, ASIC, FPGA, PSUs, accessories etc. etc. exist today because of Bitmain.

[sNaKeyz0r91]

I'm still mining and holding / staking BCI.. although the price dropped a lot in the last two months, I hope will be a good bet.

I will have a look at ZP and CLO

[vapourminer]

Talking about new coins, check out [...] Zen Protocol - IMHO this good bet because of the use cases in the blockchain world -- same like Haven.

huh, guess ill actually have to look at what that is, if only for the fact im mining them on squirrel acorns right now as its the only bitstream available for them atm. just been mining them as a burn in test. be kinda amusing if they were actually useful as ive just been mining them for something to do and shake out bugs..

[dragonmike]

Since we're talking about coins...
Can you guys think of any CN-variant-based PoW+PoS coin? BCI is great for slowly accumulating and staking but AMD gpus just suck at ProgPow (or rather, no decent dev has yet come out of the woodworks and built a good AMD miner)...

I need to find something both efficient to mine with the AMD rigs and that appreciates (stakes) over time.