8th Alt coin thread. Or what to do now that asics are all over the place.

[QuintLeo]

Z9 mini is fairly quiet - and will probably become a space heater in about a year.

[1714510191]

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[philipma1957]

Z9 mini is fairly quiet - and will probably become a space heater in about a year.

L3+ are like that.

Good heaters.

[dragonmike]

LoL @ the ASIC heaters discussion!

There's one heater that's making money again against all odds. That Obelisk SC1 is making a massive comeback. I feel for the poor plonkers who sold their units for $400 before the fork... These puppies make almost $100 a day now... and sell for $5000 on ebay!

[soothaa]

Z9 mini is fairly quiet - and will probably become a space heater in about a year.

L3+ are like that.

Good heaters.

The L3 I hosted for a friend was stupid loud..

[herrdrone]

ProgPOW approved for grant by ZcashFoundation:
https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2018Q2/issues/15

[Elder III]

ProgPOW approved for grant by ZcashFoundation:
https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2018Q2/issues/15

Yeah, I came here looking to see if anyone had commented on this yet.  It's a long ways from anything being officially adopted, but this is a pretty huge step towards making that an actual possibility.

[adaseb]

I think the best type of space heater would actually be a water cooled GPU rig. However the issue with this is cost and depending on how many GPUs you are planning on keeping in the rig, it might become bulky.

There are many cheap water cooling kits you can get for certain GPUs, however I think the max you can get away without having pipes going everywhere is max 2 GPUs per rig.

This would be very quiet, almost silent and the GPUs have the best profit/watt used compared to say an D3 or S7 ASIC miner.

[fgm]

Check S9 firmware page on bitmain. They released a firmware that makes an S9 consume 1200w while hashing the same.

[soothaa]

ProgPOW approved for grant by ZcashFoundation:
https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2018Q2/issues/15

So ZCash might be going ProgPow? That's amazing news!

[Marvell2]

ProgPOW approved for grant by ZcashFoundation:
https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2018Q2/issues/15

So ZCash might be going ProgPow? That's amazing news!

I don’t see how that means they are implementing it,  they just approved the grant

[philipma1957]

LoL @ the ASIC heaters discussion!

There's one heater that's making money again against all odds. That Obelisk SC1 is making a massive comeback. I feel for the poor plonkers who sold their units for $400 before the fork... These puppies make almost $100 a day now... and sell for $5000 on ebay!

Market manipulation at its best.

or worst.

[QuintLeo]

ProgPOW approved for grant by ZcashFoundation:
https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2018Q2/issues/15

"FPGAs, GPUs and CPUs can themselves be considered ASICs."

Makes me wonder about the entire proposal when they can get a basic fact like that SO TOTALLY WRONG.

[sarcheer]

Z9 mini is fairly quiet - and will probably become a space heater in about a year.

L3+ are like that.

Good heaters.

The L3 I hosted for a friend was stupid loud..

You have to underclock it! I have a couple running in cubes throughout our offices at various speeds to suit those in the cubes. 359 frequency, 62ºC temps at 2200 rpm. Nice and quiet space heater.

[herrdrone]

ProgPOW approved for grant by ZcashFoundation:
https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2018Q2/issues/15

Yeah, I came here looking to see if anyone had commented on this yet.  It's a long ways from anything being officially adopted, but this is a pretty huge step towards making that an actual possibility.

It's a nice start ..
Particularly for this year where ASIC got deployed on different coins. I remember Monero network hashrate getting 1Gh/s+ on February, and after hard fork on April 6 going back  to ~400 Mh/s after POW change.

[benjamoyne]

https://twitter.com/DigiByteCoin/status/1060592209739825152

Thought this one might be a good point of discussion.

Digibyte is currently testing a new mining Algo that automatically changes itself every 10 days.
Will be very interesting to see how this turns out.

https://github.com/digibyte/digibyte/pull/159

[QuintLeo]

And how do they get the miners to deploy a new mining software version every 10 days?
I sense a major nightmare in that idea.

[philipma1957]

And how do they get the miners to deploy a new mining software version every 10 days?
I sense a major nightmare in that idea.

every 10 days is faster then needed.

1 time a month should work.

prewrite 24 algos

release the new software on the last day of the month

start the new algo on the first of the month.

a gpu could  do the switch easy

but it would delay a fpga  for a bit of time  before it can switch

an asic would be trashed.


I think 1 time a month would hurt fpgas enough that they may not bother with the coin.

[benjamoyne]

And how do they get the miners to deploy a new mining software version every 10 days?
I sense a major nightmare in that idea.

I hear what you are saying, but what is the difference between that and updating to a new version?

It would be slower for farms to update which would give the little guy a little bit of extra profit every 10 days.

I see your point though, it could turn into a nightmare very quickly.

every 10 days is faster then needed.

1 time a month should work.

prewrite 24 algos

release the new software on the last day of the month

start the new algo on the first of the month.

a gpu could  do the switch easy

but it would delay a fpga  for a bit of time  before it can switch

an asic would be trashed.


I think 1 time a month would hurt fpgas enough that they may not bother with the coin.

I think that it changes automatically every 10 days, so there is never a need to code a algo.

I do agree every 10 days is a bit quick, but how long does it take for a fpga programmer to up date their bitstreams??

[JaredKaragen]

the best way to overwhelm an asic is timing;   if you can design the algo to necessitate a linear flow of programming of the FPGA;  it's advantages will pretty much be negated....

but changing algo once a month;  could be a good one;  but again;  it could bite them due to people not updating wallets/daemons; etc...  and releasing the algo change schedule initially will most certainly make people work towards one algo or another; etc.

its kind of a catch 22 as to what would be the best course of action.    4 months seems like a good point to do algo tweaks on the regular.   I tend to notice overall network diff increases at that point with monero by now;  and the next 3 months data will probably back that up when its to that point.

[adaseb]

Don't think it would make the coin completely ASIC resistant. Remember dark-coin with its X11 algo? In 2014 everybody assumed that an ASIC could never be designed for X11 because it has 11 different algo combined into one.

If they wrote 24 different algos and changed them every 10 days, then they would just design a similiar ASIC which can switch algos when the switch happens. Most likely they won't do it due to the small miner reward but if it was a coin like ETH or BCH that switched to this algo then you would see there would be ASICs being designed for this.